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The electorate voted for Brexit and that is what the Government is attempting to deliver, despite the constant obstructions of the Labour Party, who have no appreciation of how flawed their current position is on Brexit and who seem to change their policy direction like the wind. |
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If you prefer the kind of environment where people have to pretend such things aren't happening, then maybe the leafy settings of Venezuela or North Korea would be more to your taste. ---------- Post added at 12:44 ---------- Previous post was at 12:40 ---------- Quote:
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The trouble with most of the Remainers in this thread is that they won’t debate German hegemony, French skewing of the EU to their inefficient work practices, Juncker’s grand desire for Brussels control and soon. You won’t debate the shackles we’re under. All you are interested in is the economy and you want that to remain under those shackles. Terrible. |
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Can we assume that you are happy with French manipulation of the CAP so that it suits them? You’ll prolly deny it has happened and demand evidence. Can we assume that you are happy with Germany’s illegal 8% surplus and their determination to keep things that way at the expense of everyone else? Can we assume that you are happy with Germany’s shenanigans trying to ensure that the next Juncker is a German? I (sarcastically) wonder why that might be. Can we assume that you are happy with Varadka’s perfidious behaviour towards us? The country that instantly lent them £7 billion when the skids were under them in 2008? |
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Yes the French skew things to protect farmers, but maybe Macron is doing something to scupper that. It is after all Frances problem to solve, not the EU's. Too many leavers seem to want to blame the EU for all our problems, when many of the solutions have always been in the hands of the UK government. |
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Like Churchill, I prefer to be inside the tent and pissing out than outside the tent and pissing in. No system is perfect but the EU is our biggest market and to trade with them in the future, our standards will have to match theirs or they won't accept our goods. And we won't be able to influence those standards; it will be your "chums" in Paris, Madrid and Berlin who will do that. So what do we actually gain? Control of our borders? We have that already if we bothered to enforce the rights we have? As for trade deals, the EU has already negotiated rafts of them with more on the way. Nothing is stopping us from selling outside the Single Market as an EU Member State. Indeed, there is a huge advantage to chasing international opportunities from a home market of 350m people than just 65m people. Just ask China! Instead, the UK will have shot itself in the foot before it starts any international race, by shrinking its domestic market from 350m to 65m people! Lastly, does anyone seriously believe it’s easier to negotiate trade deals as 3% of the world economy v now as 30%? And does anyone have any clue how long FTAs take to negotiate in reality v what Liam Fox told us? ---------- Post added at 14:32 ---------- Previous post was at 14:28 ---------- Quote:
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From that, We can all see that you are content with the skewing and hegemonist gets that I have described. 52% of the UK disagrees with you.
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I just feel it's better being in a more prosperous country and fighting your corner in the EU rather than having to follow their standards as a smaller less well-off country anyway. I get and respect that you don't agree on this. But if you genuinely want people to debate with you, you need to give them an article or something to debate about, not just saying terrible this country, terrible that country etc. |
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But if it's the will of the people, and if posters are sure the majority still believe that Leaving is best, wouldn't a second referendum reflect this, and shut up all those who say that voters have changed their minds about leaving.
A resounding majority, now that there has been more details about what leaving means, surely must be a boon to the Leave camp - no one could argue that people weren't making an informed choice. |
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The remoaners want a tri-polar question in the hope that they can split the leave voters over real leave or the Maybot fudge. Then claim we wanted to stay after all. And you're falling for it. :td: |
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Just make it leave or stay.
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