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heero_yuy 17-02-2021 15:52
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They could put the results in a separate results only subtitle stream. Then you could chose to show or not show.

japitts 17-02-2021 17:16
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Super Rugby restarts in Oz this week, and NZ the week after. Currently, there's no UK broadcaster. A few odd articles dotted around, to the effect of "negotiations ongoing", but they're pushing it mighty fine.

Sky used to hold all these rights, but the deal lapsed last year. There's been no UK coverage of the Top-14 for several years, but this still seems quite a surprise.

Raider999 17-02-2021 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36071048)
Super Rugby restarts in Oz this week, and NZ the week after. Currently, there's no UK broadcaster. A few odd articles dotted around, to the effect of "negotiations ongoing", but they're pushing it mighty fine.

Sky used to hold all these rights, but the deal lapsed last year. There's been no UK coverage of the Top-14 for several years, but this still seems quite a surprise.
Sky seem to be dropping rugby union following their exit from Autumn Internationals, now Super Rugby (hadn't realised it was time for a re-start).

Sky sports is becoming an expensive luxury - only have Premier League football and Super League (rugby league) that I want to watch.

Might ditch it and just keep BT Sports, possibly with SS Prem League channel.

Last minute negotiations seem to be the in thing with the more minor sports - as per India v England cricket tour.

japitts 18-02-2021 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36071055)
Sky seem to be dropping rugby union following their exit from Autumn Internationals, now Super Rugby (hadn't realised it was time for a re-start).

Sky sports is becoming an expensive luxury - only have Premier League football and Super League (rugby league) that I want to watch.

Might ditch it and just keep BT Sports, possibly with SS Prem League channel.

Last minute negotiations seem to be the in thing with the more minor sports - as per India v England cricket tour.
You can't take individual SS channels with VM - it's the whole package or nothing at all.

I can't fathom out Sky here to be fair... they've shown interest in the next bundling of Six Nations/autumn internationals, and the Sanzar contract fits nicely with that.

The value has undoubtedly fallen, and I dare say Sanzar are partly to blame in over-valuing the rights. I'm slightly surprised BT haven't shown an interest in the Kiwi rounds.

And the paying fan/subscriber loses out, while they all play hardball.

Raider999 18-02-2021 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36071173)
You can't take individual SS channels with VM - it's the whole package or nothing at all.

I can't fathom out Sky here to be fair... they've shown interest in the next bundling of Six Nations/autumn internationals, and the Sanzar contract fits nicely with that.

The value has undoubtedly fallen, and I dare say Sanzar are partly to blame in over-valuing the rights. I'm slightly surprised BT haven't shown an interest in the Kiwi rounds.

And the paying fan/subscriber loses out, while they all play hardball.
I know you can't just have Sky Premier League through VM - but you can through sky.

I am sure you are correct re over-valuing, although they should be able to get access to previous year's viewing stats.

It's possible dropping to rights hasn't affected the Southern Hemisphere as much, particularly as crowds are back down the Rest?

As you say it's the consumer that suffers - first games of Australian comp start tomorrow morning, although I prefer the NZ games which start next week.

It would be good to get some news asap - although I realise it is less important to UK viewers than the India/England cricket which went to the wire.

denphone 22-02-2021 11:17
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Sky Sports will show exclusive live coverage of England's ODI and T20 series against India in March.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...ommentary-team

Quote:
Fans will also get to watch plenty of Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah in the next year as Sky Sports will also broadcast India's home tours against South Africa (Oct 2021), New Zealand (November 2021), West Indies (January 2022) and Sri Lanka (February 2022).

Raider999 22-02-2021 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36071584)
Sky Sports will show exclusive live coverage of England's ODI and T20 series against India in March.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...ommentary-team
I couldn't find anything by googling, this appears to be only on Sky website.

Is it accurate because Channel 4 were announced as the broadcasters for the whole tour (test, T20 and ODI) although interestingly it only applied exclusive to the tests.

Sky's announcement seems to contradict this - I suppose time will tell.

denphone 22-02-2021 13:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36071602)
I couldn't find anything by googling, this appears to be only on Sky website.

Is it accurate because Channel 4 were announced as the broadcasters for the whole tour (test, T20 and ODI) although interestingly it only applied exclusive to the tests.

Sky's announcement seems to contradict this - I suppose time will tell.
Why would Sky put it on their website if it was not true?

Raider999 22-02-2021 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36071606)
Why would Sky put it on their website if it was not true?
Equally why would internet previously state Channel 4 had the rights?

Maybe it will be on both?

1andrew1 22-02-2021 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36071623)
Equally why would internet previously state Channel 4 had the rights?

Maybe it will be on both?
Does anyone have a link to the Channel 4 rights article? Has it been amended since original publication?

bluecatt73 22-02-2021 16:25
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Link to the Channel 4 presser dated Feb 3rd. Makes no mention of the white ball rights.

https://www.channel4.com/press/news/...urns-channel-4

telegramsam 22-02-2021 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluecatt73 (Post 36071628)
Link to the Channel 4 presser dated Feb 3rd. Makes no mention of the white ball rights.

https://www.channel4.com/press/news/...urns-channel-4
Interesting they say 'exclusive free to air' which could indicate that sky are also showing it but channel 4 are the only ones showing it free.

Richardr 22-02-2021 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36071632)
Interesting they say 'exclusive free to air' which could indicate that sky are also showing it but channel 4 are the only ones showing it free.
They are the only ones showing it - but it, as per that page, is test match cricket.

Quote:
Channel 4 will show exclusive free to air live television coverage of England’s Test series against India.

Raider999 22-02-2021 19:39
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The original said Channel 4 had the rights to the whole tour but reading carefully said C4 had exclusive rights to the Tests but didn't say exclusive rights to T20/ODI matches.

It may have been altered/superseded.

As I said there was nothing on the Internet about sky having the T20/ODI rights apart from on Sky's own website.

It doesn't affect me as I have access to both.

Interestingly I have seen an article that suggests C4 only paid £5m not the £20m the Indians wanted - I think questions should be asked why BBC didn't compete - saving their money for Wimbledon perhaps?

gaz82 22-02-2021 22:03
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Channel 4's rights were only ever for the Test Series. Here's another source stating so:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...rights-cricket

And another source stating Sky winning the rights to the ODI and T20 Series, published 7 days ago:
https://www.insidesport.co/india-vs-...nd-odi-series/

Raider999 23-02-2021 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz82 (Post 36071665)
Channel 4's rights were only ever for the Test Series. Here's another source stating so:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...rights-cricket

And another source stating Sky winning the rights to the ODI and T20 Series, published 7 days ago:
https://www.insidesport.co/india-vs-...nd-odi-series/
And this article, also in the guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/Feb...-4-wins-rights

Clearly states it is the entire tour - four tests, five Twenty20s and 3 ODI

Phunkenstein 23-02-2021 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36071720)
And this article, also in the guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/Feb...-4-wins-rights

Clearly states it is the entire tour - four tests, five Twenty20s and 3 ODI
That article came out a day before the Channel 4 press release so reasonable to think their sources at the time may have assumed it was the whole thing before it was clarified the following day.

Raider999 23-02-2021 22:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36071728)
That article came out a day before the Channel 4 press release so reasonable to think their sources at the time may have assumed it was the whole thing before it was clarified the following day.
Probably so

denphone 11-03-2021 21:13
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Most of Six Nations looks increasingly likely it will go behind a paywall.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ns-rugby-union

japitts 11-03-2021 23:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36073918)
Most of Six Nations looks increasingly likely it will go behind a paywall.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ns-rugby-union
I'm not so sure about the 6N going pay, but there's lots of fairly consistent rumours that the 6N & autumn-internationals will be bundled together in a new TV deal.

I won't be at all surprised to see the autumn series go predominantly pay, in return for keeping more of the 6N, on FTA.

jfman 11-03-2021 23:58
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They’re not getting that kind of return off the Autumn tests.

denphone 12-03-2021 06:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36073922)
I'm not so sure about the 6N going pay, but there's lots of fairly consistent rumours that the 6N & autumn-internationals will be bundled together in a new TV deal.

I won't be at all surprised to see the autumn series go predominantly pay, in return for keeping more of the 6N, on FTA.
They did say that about all those other big sports and look where they are now.

Behind a paywall and very likely to stay that way..

1andrew1 12-03-2021 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36073930)
They did say that about all those other big sports and look where they are now.

Behind a paywall and very likely to stay that way..
Maybe the Six Nations final on YouTube and that's about the best non-subscribers can hope for.

Raider999 12-03-2021 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36073930)
They did say that about all those other big sports and look where they are now.

Behind a paywall and very likely to stay that way..

India v England test series was on Ch4.

This proves that Free to Air channels can acquire sports rights if they are prepared to bid for them.

It is about priorities FtA channels have (I v E test rights only cost £5m) rather than broadcasting rubbish as a lot of them currently do.

---------- Post added at 13:21 ---------- Previous post was at 13:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36073942)
Maybe the Six Nations final on YouTube and that's about the best non-subscribers can hope for.
:confused::confused: 6 Nations doesn't have a final

1andrew1 16-03-2021 11:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36073965)
:confused::confused: 6 Nations doesn't have a final
lol, sorry final round, my bad. :dunce:
I was thinking of how BT had put the Champions League final on YouTube and thought a similar approach might be required of the Six Nations. However, commercially it would make sense to put the first round on free to encourage people to subscribe or to visit the pub for the rest of the fixtures.

braysoj1 17-03-2021 00:24
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Virgin announces PPV deal with FITE
https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2021...eal-with-fite/

1andrew1 19-03-2021 23:09
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I wonder if Premier Sports will step into the gap? (In effect, the original owners of the Eir Sport when it was an independent company called Setanta.)
Quote:
Future of Eir Sport in doubt after rights refusal

Eir Sport could be facing closure after it decided not to participate in the next round of sports rights auctions.

The move is likely to signal an end to the five-year old channel, although the telecommunications company has said it will continue broadcasting for the time being.

Eir Sport began broadcasting in 2016 having bought out the Irish interests of Setanta Sports and looking to emulate BT that had also used its own sports channel to drive subscriptions to its IPTV service.

In a statement first released to the Irish independent, Eir said it was now “exploring options” for the future.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...ights-refusal/

japitts 22-03-2021 12:14
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I've seen a couple of articles suggesting Sky are likely to hoover up the Pro14, although I can't recall off-hand where.

Between that and the current 6-Nations/Autumn-international rumour mill, we live in interesting times where the Sky/pay/FTA rugby cupboard goes.

Raider999 22-03-2021 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36074970)
I've seen a couple of articles suggesting Sky are likely to hoover up the Pro14, although I can't recall off-hand where.

Between that and the current 6-Nations/Autumn-international rumour mill, we live in interesting times where the Sky/pay/FTA rugby cupboard goes.

Pro14 rugby rights owned by Premier Sports in UK so demise of Eir

vincerooney 23-03-2021 01:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36074838)
I wonder if Premier Sports will step into the gap? (In effect, the original owners of the Eir Sport when it was an independent company called Setanta.)

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...ights-refusal/
premier sports is owned by the people who ran setanta? bloody heck didnt know that. So them recklessly buying up foreign leagues which arent watched that much now makes sense...

Seems sky have purchased womens football rights. That'll be good for the female football sport but undoubtedly i can see sky putting up the price of sky sports and claiming they have more live sport than ever before....

cheekyangus 23-03-2021 09:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36075065)
premier sports is owned by the people who ran setanta? bloody heck didnt know that. So them recklessly buying up foreign leagues which arent watched that much now makes sense...

Seems sky have purchased womens football rights. That'll be good for the female football sport but undoubtedly i can see sky putting up the price of sky sports and claiming they have more live sport than ever before....
I was under the impression that, back in the day, Setanta was well run until it made one reckless risk on the English football coverage. Premier Sports seemed to have been pretty careful, picking up rights on the cheap, taking advantage of rights being dumped by others and getting them cheaper on the rebound. Choosing niche sports with a loyal audiences e.g. ice hockey. Picking and choosing expenditure e.g. going all HD on most platforms, keeping Freesports SD on Freeview despite being an HD multiplex to save money and because it's more sustainable long term, buying a small shopping channel to get a better Freeview EPG number, not jumping to permanent Freeview multiplex from their temporary one at the first opportunity, dumping Freesports Freesat EPG listing to save money. They seem to me they have learnt to be cautious.

Raider999 23-03-2021 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36075065)
premier sports is owned by the people who ran setanta? bloody heck didnt know that. So them recklessly buying up foreign leagues which arent watched that much now makes sense...

Seems sky have purchased womens football rights. That'll be good for the female football sport but undoubtedly i can see sky putting up the price of sky sports and claiming they have more live sport than ever before....
I always thought that was the case - Premier Sports appearing after Setantas demise with offices at the same address - too much of a coincidence to be anything else.

1andrew1 25-03-2021 10:15
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Will be interesting to see how this pans out:
Quote:
The 20 teams in Serie A, Italy’s top league, will vote on Friday whether to give its biggest TV contract to internet group DAZN or accept a lower offer from longtime television partner Sky. The chosen broadcaster will screen the lion’s share of its football matches between 2021 and 2024.

DAZN, a streaming service backed by billionaire Leonard Blavatnik, has offered around €840m a season for the contract, according to people briefed on the process. Comcast-owned Sky is prepared to pay just €750m a season to remain the competition’s main broadcaster.

The bids were lodged earlier this year, but clubs are divided on which to choose. By law, Serie A must decide by Monday or the auction will be void, forcing the league to begin the sale process again.

“It’s a car crash,” said a person with direct knowledge of the process.
https://www.ft.com/content/5e6ccbd5-...9-dbaea9469aab

denphone 25-03-2021 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36075246)
Will be interesting to see how this pans out:

https://www.ft.com/content/5e6ccbd5-...9-dbaea9469aab
This reminds me a bit like the car crash in France regarding their TV rights until some common sense was shown.

muppetman11 25-03-2021 13:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36075246)
Will be interesting to see how this pans out:

https://www.ft.com/content/5e6ccbd5-...9-dbaea9469aab
That could give me the push I need to ditch pay TV if replicated here and move to Freeview/Freesat and move to month to month subs as and when there are things on I wish to watch.

denphone 25-03-2021 13:31
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Amazon in line for share of 6 Nations rugby contract.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...eid=3598503789

Quote:
Television rights for some of rugby union’s Six Nations Championship matches are expected to move to pay-TV for the first time since 2001.

It’s anticipated that from next year the competition will be split between Amazon and terrestrial broadcasters BBC and ITV who currently transmit the annual competition free-to-air.

Raider999 25-03-2021 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36075290)
Amazon in line for share of 6 Nations rugby contract.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...eid=3598503789

Another nail in the coffin - will have to add Prime subscription to all the others.

Phunkenstein 25-03-2021 15:07
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The reporting appears to have shifted on that...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ghts-kq0jschxc

Amazon and the terrestrial broadcasters are expected to split the rights for autumn internationals and the Six Nations, according to industry sources.

Although Amazon had been expected to bid for a share of the Six Nations — which would have meant some of the tournament’s games being shown on a pay-TV service for the first time — it is understood the platform’s priority is to focus on the autumn matches.

The sale of the rights for both the Six Nations and the autumn internationals is being done together to maximise revenues. Amazon is understood to be prepared to leave the way clear for the Six Nations to go to terrestrial broadcasters.

1andrew1 25-03-2021 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36075298)
The reporting appears to have shifted on that...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ghts-kq0jschxc

Amazon and the terrestrial broadcasters are expected to split the rights for autumn internationals and the Six Nations, according to industry sources.

Although Amazon had been expected to bid for a share of the Six Nations — which would have meant some of the tournament’s games being shown on a pay-TV service for the first time — it is understood the platform’s priority is to focus on the autumn matches.

The sale of the rights for both the Six Nations and the autumn internationals is being done together to maximise revenues. Amazon is understood to be prepared to leave the way clear for the Six Nations to go to terrestrial broadcasters.
I guess Amazon want new customers in Autumn in time to purchase their Christmas shopping.

japitts 25-03-2021 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36075315)
I guess Amazon want new customers in Autumn in time to purchase their Christmas shopping.
Exactly this, something often forgotten.

Sky & BT's business is sports broadcasting, and want to drive subscriptions to their sports channels.

Amazon's business is encouraging online sales, so are interested in driving subscriptions to their video platform at particular times of the year.

These 3 bidders will all have different motivations for wanting different parts of the 6-Nations/autumn series rights.

Raider999 26-03-2021 23:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36075323)
Exactly this, something often forgotten.

Sky & BT's business is sports broadcasting, and want to drive subscriptions to their sports channels.

Amazon's business is encouraging online sales, so are interested in driving subscriptions to their video platform at particular times of the year.

These 3 bidders will all have different motivations for wanting different parts of the 6-Nations/autumn series rights.
The article was amended/qualified to say that Amazon were only really interested in the Autumn internationals for the reason JAPitts suggested.

Their problem is the rights for the 6 Nations and Autumn Internationals are being lumped together in an attempt to drive the price up.

So Amazon have a dilemma - unless they bid hen resell what they don't want (assuming this would be allowed).

japitts 07-04-2021 09:12
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A couple of media reporting that the BBC/ITV joint bid for the 6N is now around the £100m mark, and the per-game cost is not far off what Sky pay for PL football.

Putting roughly similiar figures to the autumn internationals makes for some interesting numbers, I'm guessing that at least one out of Sky/BT is making a serious play for those, I'd guess the 2023 RWC warm-ups are also being bundled there.

Raider999 09-04-2021 17:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by japitts (Post 36076359)
A couple of media reporting that the BBC/ITV joint bid for the 6N is now around the £100m mark, and the per-game cost is not far off what Sky pay for PL football.

Putting roughly similiar figures to the autumn internationals makes for some interesting numbers, I'm guessing that at least one out of Sky/BT is making a serious play for those, I'd guess the 2023 RWC warm-ups are also being bundled there.
I was under the impression that the 6 Nations and Autumn Internationals were being sold as 1 package.

It seems Amazon are not very interested in 6 Nations but are in the Autumn Internationals as this is in the lead up to Black Friday.

I haven't seen anything to suggest BBC and ITV are looking to pay £100m - in fact I haven't seen anything from them at all (maybe I read the wrong paper and missed it on the Net?)

What I have seen is BBC being lambasted for only putting one of England Women's rugby matches on BBC main channels, whilst hiding the other 2 on their red button.

japitts 09-04-2021 18:17
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Ahh... from my understanding, yes and no.

The autumn internationals have always had individual TV deals for each union - so RFU, WRU, SRU etc have managed their own broadcast arrangements.

As of now, that's been centralised and the Six Nations "committee" are now arranging a TV deal for the November-internationals covering all the 6 Nations.. however, I don't think it's been said anywhere that this will necessarily be the same contract as covering the 6N tournament itself.

Whilst we're clearly in the realms of rumours and leaks, TRP seem as reliable a source as any - https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/st...32617573949456

If I had to place bets, I'd say Amazon & Sky both want the autumn series, while the 6N is a FTA vs Sky battle. It's probably only Amazon who are willing to have a FTA/pay model for the 6N, everyone else will want exclusivity.

Raider999 20-04-2021 18:38
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With DAZN highly involved in the proposed European Super League I would think it highly unlikely they would be bidding for the next Premier League rights.

So one streamer less.

Mad Max 20-04-2021 19:24
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I think it's close to collapsing now that Chelsea have pulled out, I've also heard that Man City are pulling out too.

telegramsam 20-04-2021 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077412)
I think it's close to collapsing now that Chelsea have pulled out, I've also heard that Man City are pulling out too.
Agree it looks very close to collapsing now.

Raider999 20-04-2021 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077412)
I think it's close to collapsing now that Chelsea have pulled out, I've also heard that Man City are pulling out too.

Heard Chelsea were planning to pull out, not heard anything about Man City though - although Pep has said he is against it.

The whole thing is based on the American style of sport where you have nothing to lose - expect news of drafts for players next.

You can see why Real Madrid/Barcelona are interested as although they get a big %age of La Liga rights the whole is nothing near the Premier League values.

Hugh 20-04-2021 20:14
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1618945574

1andrew1 20-04-2021 20:24
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Looks like the debacle may have claimed one head. Ed Woodward has resigned as Vice Chairman of Manchester United. Did he agree with the Super League idea?

https://news.sky.com/story/european-...tands-12281731

Raider999 20-04-2021 20:24
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Man City have gone, Chelsea going? And Woodward has resigned from MU.

The article above has yet to find its way onto BBC sport website.

Beginning to look like this was a bargaining tool to get better cut of Champions League money?

I.e. Give us more money or look what could happen?

denphone 21-04-2021 04:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077412)
I think it's close to collapsing now that Chelsea have pulled out, I've also heard that Man City are pulling out too.
It reminded me of a game of very quickly falling dominoes as l kept on getting notifications coming up on the mobile while out with the close family.

Mad Max 22-04-2021 20:31
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Just watching the Leicester V West Brom game on BT Sport, and the commentary seems to be a split second ahead of the actual action, for instance, Johnny Evans scores with a header, and the commentator says and there's the second goal for Leicester just before it goes into the net.

Raider999 22-04-2021 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077694)
Just watching the Leicester V West Brom game on BT Sport, and the commentary seems to be a split second ahead of the actual action, for instance, Johnny Evans scores with a header, and the commentator says and there's the second goal for Leicester just before it goes into the net.

It's the same on my SkyQ box - must be a BT problem.

However, the picture quality is great with really vivid colours (HD channel)

daveoc14 23-04-2021 09:25
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Same thing happened with me. The other odd thing is that it was showing on the EPG as being on Ultimate channel, but it wasn't.

Raider999 23-04-2021 19:53
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Well the ESL didn't last long - not sure if this means DAZN will be interested in the EPL now or not?

jfman 23-04-2021 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36077807)
Well the ESL didn't last long - not sure if this means DAZN will be interested in the EPL now or not?
Probably not. ESL presented the unique opportunity for worldwide rights to a worldwide product.

Despite British exceptionalism I doubt the EPL drives €10 subscriptions any more than La Liga drives £10 ones outside their own country.

Mad Max 23-04-2021 21:03
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I think the EPL comes first as the most-watched in the world, followed by La Liga.

jfman 23-04-2021 22:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36077816)
I think the EPL comes first as the most-watched in the world, followed by La Liga.
May well be. But will people pay monthly subscription for it?

La Liga was popular here (on Sky Sports - an add on) but it didn't survive on Eleven Sports.

Being highly viewed when a secondary contract on a popular pay-tv provider in your own territory doesn't necessarily mean they'll pay for your content. Or that there isn't readily transferable content from elsewhere if you removed it.

ozsat 24-04-2021 05:23
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I don't think any single genre channel which is only available by streaming on limited devices will ever be a winner.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077825)
La Liga was popular here (on Sky Sports - an add on) but it didn't survive on Eleven Sports.

telegramsam 24-04-2021 14:44
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Just watched Liverpool v Newcastle and I can't believe the logic of footballers! I mean they go 1 -0 up,miss no end of chances to score more,get a late reprieve when a Newcastle goal is ruled out,yet still they manage to throw it away by diabolical defending! Now I've never played professional football but even I know when you have got away with one shut up shop!

OLD BOY 24-04-2021 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36077854)
Just watched Liverpool v Newcastle and I can't believe the logic of footballers! I mean they go 1 -0 up,miss no end of chances to score more,get a late reprieve when a Newcastle goal is ruled out,yet still they manage to throw it away by diabolical defending! Now I've never played professional football but even I know when you have got away with one shut up shop!
It all seems so easy from the comfort of an armchair! ;)

telegramsam 24-04-2021 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36077869)
It all seems so easy from the comfort of an armchair! ;)
Not really. You're in the dying minutes of the game, very simple really, keep the ball up the other end of the pitch. And as they say if you have the ball in the opposition half they can't score. Mind you the chances Liverpool had they really should of been 3 or 4 -0 up by the time Newcastle scored.

denphone 25-04-2021 06:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36077885)
Not really. You're in the dying minutes of the game, very simple really, keep the ball up the other end of the pitch. And as they say if you have the ball in the opposition half they can't score. Mind you the chances Liverpool had they really should of been 3 or 4 -0 up by the time Newcastle scored.
Lets put this season down to one of those hard knocking football experience's.;)

telegramsam 25-04-2021 10:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36077894)
Lets put this season down to one of those hard knocking football experience's.;)
Agree

Raider999 25-04-2021 15:17
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There is an article, in the Business/Money section of the Telegraph, which suggests that EPL rights which are due to be auctioned shortly may not go to open tender but just renewed with BT, Sky and Amazon possibly even at a reduced price.

telegramsam 25-04-2021 16:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36077923)
There is an article, in the Business/Money section of the Telegraph, which suggests that EPL rights which are due to be auctioned shortly may not go to open tender but just renewed with BT, Sky and Amazon possibly even at a reduced price.
Maybe but having seen the greed of some Premier League clubs recently I wouldn't rule out it all still going to tender.

telegramsam 25-04-2021 21:13
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Just watched Rednapps Big Night Out, what a rip off of Peter Crouch,Save Our Summer! Anyone else agree?

denphone 26-04-2021 05:13
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l am not a fan of these shows full stop TG.:nono:

japitts 27-04-2021 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36077923)
There is an article, in the Business/Money section of the Telegraph, which suggests that EPL rights which are due to be auctioned shortly may not go to open tender but just renewed with BT, Sky and Amazon possibly even at a reduced price.
Football's the wrong-shaped ball for me, but I guess this is potentially a win-win for everyone.

PL avoid the possible reduction in rights values, broadcasters get to renew at a small discount.

Back with the right-shaped ball, it's gone awfully quiet on the 6Nations TV deal, which I assume means that at least one out of Sky or BT is putting in a serious bid.

jfman 27-04-2021 18:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36077923)
There is an article, in the Business/Money section of the Telegraph, which suggests that EPL rights which are due to be auctioned shortly may not go to open tender but just renewed with BT, Sky and Amazon possibly even at a reduced price.
You mean there’s no queue of streamers waiting to blow them out the water?

Colour me surprised.

1andrew1 28-04-2021 20:56
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Could DAZN or Disney acquire BT Sport or take a stake in it?
Quote:
BT is in talks with Amazon, Disney and others to offload a stake in its television arm, The Telegraph can reveal, as the pandemic casts doubt over the future of sport.

The telecoms operator has appointed the investment bank Lazard to explore a partial sale of BT Sport as it focuses on upgrading Britain’s broadband network.

It is understood that BT is in talks with potential partners including Amazon, Disney and Dazn, an international sports streaming venture funded by Sir Leonard Blavatnik, the Ukraine-born billionaire.

A British broadcaster is also involved in the discussions and potentially leading the bidding, City sources said.

BT has a longstanding partnership with ITV, although has also worked with Channel 4 and the BBC. Any traditional broadcaster could seek to show more top-flight football on terrestrial television.

The same source said Dazn, which recently agreed a sports broadcasting partnership with BT’s Italian equivalent, was “most keen”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...roadband-push/

carravetta 28-04-2021 22:01
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky bid for BT Sport, could be too good of an opportunity to pass.

I also would not rule out beIN Sports

Richardr 28-04-2021 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carravetta (Post 36078254)
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky bid for BT Sport, could be too good of an opportunity to pass.
They won't be allowed to buy it for regulatory reasons.

telegramsam 29-04-2021 00:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Richardr (Post 36078255)
They won't be allowed to buy it for regulatory reasons.
Virgin might though?

1701-e 29-04-2021 09:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36078259)
Virgin might though?
With all that cash they have lying around? Dazn must be favourite. How this will impact on the special arrangements with Virgin should be interesting.

1andrew1 29-04-2021 09:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36078259)
Virgin might though?
Can't see a benefit. Viirgin Media's strategy of investing in infrastructure over content is now being adopted by BT. Let others fight over sports rights.

jfman 29-04-2021 09:16
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I wonder if a competition issue is really there to prevent Sky buying a share in BT Sports.

After all there's a plethora of sports streamers with deep pockets out there just chomping at the bit to enter the market. So would they really have significant market power?

Minor tweak of OFCOM regulation and say, a 10-15 year deal with Virgin (by which time linear television will be dead anyway ;) ) and job done.

spankysmagicpian 29-04-2021 09:33
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Wouldn't Amazon love having a perm channel on tap? Anyone with Prime gets it free and they'd pack the breaks with Amazon adverts.

Disney however already have ESPN so likewise..anyone with a Disney+ sub gets the channel free.

1andrew1 29-04-2021 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carravetta (Post 36078254)
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sky bid for BT Sport, could be too good of an opportunity to pass.

I also would not rule out beIN Sports
My thoughts below, in conclusion Disney or DAZN.
  • Amazon - not a heavy investor in sport as additional rights costs could not be covered by the Prime subscription.
  • BeIN - have reduced their investment in Europe in recent years and becoming more financially prudent. Unlikely.
  • DAZN - have recently signed up Matchroom Boxing in the UK so could be tempted to add BT's range of sports to make a full-scale sports offering. Have partnered with Telecom Italia in Italy so could be tempted to do the same with BT in the UK.
  • Discovery - would make a nice addition to Discovery + and also its Eurosport channels which are more prominent outside the UK. But traditionally financially prudent so unlikely to get into a bidding war.
  • Disney - own 80% of ESPN whose brand is licenced to BT. Would make a great addition to Disney+ and in return, could offer Disney + to BT.
  • Premier Sports - could only afford to invest if in collaboration with a financial investor so bring less to the party. Unlikely.
  • Sky - can't really see what's in it for them, apart from driving up the price for other buyers... which also has the side-effect of driving up analysts' valuations of Sky Sports.

Mad Max 29-04-2021 13:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 36078275)
Wouldn't Amazon love having a perm channel on tap? Anyone with Prime gets it free and they'd pack the breaks with Amazon adverts.

Disney however already have ESPN so likewise..anyone with a Disney+ sub gets the channel free.
Streamers are hopeless for live football, always at least a good 30 seconds behind.

muppetman11 29-04-2021 14:46
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https://www.cityam.com/bt-in-talks-t...roadband-push/

Last part is interesting

Raider999 29-04-2021 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36078296)
Streamers are hopeless for live football, always at least a good 30 seconds behind.

Which doesn't really matter (why do you need to be on the phone to others when watching live footballs?) - picture quality is my problem with streamers

---------- Post added at 15:44 ---------- Previous post was at 15:39 ----------

BT only got into sports to arrest the decline in broadband customers when sky moved into broadband.

BT are currently looking to maintain at least 50% of BT sports - but may be tempted in the future if their partner wants full control.

Virgin don't get involved in rights so I wouldn't expect them to bid.

However, if I was a Virgin customer with free BT sports I would be worried as I cannot see the service being free when another company gets involved.

OLD BOY 29-04-2021 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078295)
My thoughts below, in conclusion Disney or DAZN.
  • Amazon - not a heavy investor in sport as additional rights costs could not be covered by the Prime subscription.
  • BeIN - have reduced their investment in Europe in recent years and becoming more financially prudent. Unlikely.
  • DAZN - have recently signed up Matchroom Boxing in the UK so could be tempted to add BT's range of sports to make a full-scale sports offering. Have partnered with Telecom Italia in Italy so could be tempted to do the same with BT in the UK.
  • Discovery - would make a nice addition to Discovery + and also its Eurosport channels which are more prominent outside the UK. But traditionally financially prudent so unlikely to get into a bidding war.
  • Disney - own 80% of ESPN whose brand is licenced to BT. Would make a great addition to Disney+ and in return, could offer Disney + to BT.
  • Premier Sports - could only afford to invest if in collaboration with a financial investor so bring less to the party. Unlikely.
  • Sky - can't really see what's in it for them, apart from driving up the price for other buyers... which also has the side-effect of driving up analysts' valuations of Sky Sports.
Yes, I think you have that about right. I would only comment that Amazon would charge a premium over and above the Prime subscription, so they are certainly in the running if they want to get further into sport, which may not be their bag.

DAZN and Disney + are the most likely contenders I think, and that seems to be your view as well.

jfman 29-04-2021 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36078335)
Yes, I think you have that about right. I would only comment that Amazon would charge a premium over and above the Prime subscription, so they are certainly in the running if they want to get further into sport, which may not be their bag.

DAZN and Disney + are the most likely contenders I think, and that seems to be your view as well.
The clear evidence from the Premier League trying to get a new contract rolled over from the current contract is that Amazon aren’t interested in anything on that scale.

The current deal gives them some low hanging fruit for peanuts. The pandemic has accelerated Prime uptake significantly. I used to track items 10 stops away that weren’t even in the same town. Now they are a matter of a few hundred yards away.

---------- Post added at 17:50 ---------- Previous post was at 17:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078295)
  • Sky - can't really see what's in it for them, apart from driving up the price for other buyers... which also has the side-effect of driving up analysts' valuations of Sky Sports.
Driving down the cost of rights would be hugely important as for the next few years they’d be the only game in town in the absence of those deep pocket streamers.

Mad Max 29-04-2021 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36078314)
Which doesn't really matter (why do you need to be on the phone to others when watching live footballs?) - picture quality is my problem with streamers

---------- Post added at 15:44 ---------- Previous post was at 15:39 ----------

BT only got into sports to arrest the decline in broadband customers when sky moved into broadband.

BT are currently looking to maintain at least 50% of BT sports - but may be tempted in the future if their partner wants full control.

Virgin don't get involved in rights so I wouldn't expect them to bid.

However, if I was a Virgin customer with free BT sports I would be worried as I cannot see the service being free when another company gets involved.
:confused:

jfman 29-04-2021 18:34
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Of course it isn't just "on the phone" that football can be ruined - during major events in the summer with windows/doors open you can hear people cheering down the street.

A problem even worse in flats.

Itshim 29-04-2021 19:23
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Quote:

However, if I was a Virgin customer with free BT sports I would be worried as I cannot see the service being free when another company gets involved.
Free really ? I think not part of package yes free no:D

1andrew1 29-04-2021 21:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36078314)
However, if I was a Virgin customer with free BT sports I would be worried as I cannot see the service being free when another company gets involved.
That's always a possibility, even if the BT Sport channels remain 100% BT owned.

In favour of them remaining in VM packages, a new owner would be unlikely to want to lose the guaranteed wholesale money from Virgin Media too quickly.

Mr K 29-04-2021 22:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078362)
That's always a possibility, even if the BT Sport channels remain 100% BT owned.

In favour of them remaining in VM packages, a new owner would be unlikely to want to lose the guaranteed wholesale money from Virgin Media too quickly.
My BT shares are increasing nicely :)

1andrew1 29-04-2021 22:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078363)
My BT shares are increasing nicely :)
Ssh, you're tarnishing your lefty credentials. :D

RichardCoulter 29-04-2021 22:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36078353)
Quote:

However, if I was a Virgin customer with free BT sports I would be worried as I cannot see the service being free when another company gets involved.
Free really ? I think not part of package yes free no:D
£9.25 a month is what so called free BT Sports costs VM customers at a minimum. A bargain if you're a sports fan, but not if you aren't.

jfman 29-04-2021 23:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36078375)
£9.25 a month is what so called free BT Sports costs VM customers at a minimum. A bargain if you're a sports fan, but not if you aren't.
That's not what Virgin pay per subscriber with it 'included' so take your misinformation elsewhere.

That was an absolutely notional deduction offered to people who claimed it, based on perceived value.

Mr K 29-04-2021 23:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36078375)
£9.25 a month is what so called free BT Sports costs VM customers at a minimum. A bargain if you're a sports fan, but not if you aren't.
Richard, you get National League football. Massive teams like Wrexham, Hartlepool and Notts County, what more do you want !? Beats the pants off the Premiership.. ;)

1andrew1 30-04-2021 00:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078383)
Richard, you get National League football. Massive teams like Wrexham, Hartlepool and Notts County, what more do you want !? Beats the pants off the Premiership.. ;)
In fairness, Wrexham is owned by two Hollywood stars (Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney).

DVD Cinema 30-04-2021 11:11
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I thought the BBC, maybe, had developed a way of there being no lag in the live streaming of sport?

Mr K 30-04-2021 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DVD Cinema (Post 36078410)
I thought the BBC, maybe, had developed a way of there being no lag in the live streaming of sport?
Yes, they give you a ticket for the match, only way for sport to be truly 'live'. Ultra ultra HD too when we're allowed back.

---------- Post added at 11:16 ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078385)
In fairness, Wrexham is owned by two Hollywood stars (Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney).
Massive stadium for that level too, the oldest international football ground in the world. Every chance of social distancing at the away end these days!

Raider999 30-04-2021 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36078375)
£9.25 a month is what so called free BT Sports costs VM customers at a minimum. A bargain if you're a sports fan, but not if you aren't.
Certainly a bargain compared with the amount Sky customers are charged.

---------- Post added at 18:42 ---------- Previous post was at 18:40 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36078348)
Of course it isn't just "on the phone" that football can be ruined - during major events in the summer with windows/doors open you can hear people cheering down the street.

A problem even worse in flats.
But if it's only on streamers then everyone is the same distance behind - don't see your problem

Itshim 30-04-2021 19:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36078380)
That's not what Virgin pay per subscriber with it 'included' so take your misinformation elsewhere.

That was an absolutely notional deduction offered to people who claimed it, based on perceived value.
Sorry to agree with richard but as I recall my bill went down by about 9 pounds when l called and told them that I didn't want free bt . That was a few years ago:D

jfman 01-05-2021 10:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36078459)
Sorry to agree with richard but as I recall my bill went down by about 9 pounds when l called and told them that I didn't want free bt . That was a few years ago:D
Yes. I'm not disputing that (I did the same).

Richard is extrapolating this to imply Virgin pay BT £9.25 per Maxit TV subscriber. This isn't the case.

---------- Post added at 10:39 ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36078456)
But if it's only on streamers then everyone is the same distance behind - don't see your problem
If streaming operated at a fixed "lag" yes.

If you stream the same event across different devices and different internet providers you get different outcomes on the length of delay depending on how long it takes to build a buffer before proceeding to play.


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