Cable Forum - President Trump 2.0

A creative way of saying employment rights are so bad in the USA and millions were paid off during COVID lockdown plus restrictions in 2020 who re-entered the workforce in 2021.

Anyone in their sleep could have achieved similar.

The USA has enjoyed far and away the best growth of the G7 post Covid. It's a big stretch to put this down to lax employment rights which would be more relevant in times of recession, as we may see under Trump.

Damien

07-04-2025 08:21

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Markets are continuing to drop, this is far more than a correction now. Goldman Sachs think there is a 45% chance of a global recession now. Up from 20% on Friday.

Hugh	07-04-2025 08:22

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Retroactive tariffs now…

https://news.sky.com/story/tariffs-l...#liveblog-body

Quote:

Europe has treated the US "very badly", Donald Trump has said several times since beginning his second term in the White House.

He said it again overnight, this time taking aim at the EU's trade surplus with the US.

"We take their cars, Mercedes, Volkswagen, BMW... we take millions of cars, they take no cars," he said aboard Air Force One.

"They don't take our farm product, they don't take anything. Europe's treated us very badly. We put a big tariff on Europe."

Trump added the EU is "coming to the table", and "wants to talk", but said any agreement would have conditions.

"There's no talk unless they pay us a lot of money on a yearly basis," he added.

"Number one - for present, but also for past, because they've taken a lot of our wealth away, and we're not going to allow it to happen."

On Wednesday, the EU is set to be hit with a 20% tariff.

Damien

07-04-2025 08:35

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FTSE down 5%. This is worse than COVID and he is doubling down overnight.

Sephiroth

07-04-2025 08:39

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I've no objection to the EU getting a kicking from the USA, even if it is misguided! Implosion of the EU wouldn't be a bad thing, imo, especially if France and Ireland get got!

But setting aside my whimsical muses, Trump ignores market facts: USA farm produce needs to meet food standards and that's on the USA. For Europe, or anyone, to take USA cars, they need to be attractive and well marketed - rule #1.

Given that Trump is operating on a different plane of logic, there is no sensible outcome in view and this thing will run its course through natural global economic forces.

Btw, this might be a good time for Europe + UK to sort something sensible out with China!

Also btw, Musk seems to be beginning to see the light as his Tesla fortune leaks away. Is this the start of turmoil in the USA?

jfman

07-04-2025 09:05

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36194090)

Yes but that’s a far wider point than the one I quoted.

Hugh	07-04-2025 09:07

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Unfortunately, if the retrospective tariffs go ahead on the EU, how long before they are imposed elsewhere?

Damien

07-04-2025 09:28

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I wonder at what point Republicans step up the pressure. I've noticed some of his public supporters outside of politics are questioning the logic here but Congress remains loyal to him.

1andrew1

07-04-2025 09:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36194095)

FTSE down 5%. This is worse than COVID and he is doubling down overnight.

Johnson: "I got the most self-inflicted economic damage to the UK over the line. Thanks to me, everyone will be 4% worse off and tax rises will be all but inevitable."
Trump: "Hold my beautiful all-American alcohol-free beer!

Sephiroth

07-04-2025 09:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36194106)

So, you want Trump's 20% tariff? You don't want the UK to have a global free hand?

Hugh	07-04-2025 09:34

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My SIPP drawdown fund YTD…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1744014776

Paul	07-04-2025 19:00

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I updated my pension a couple of weeks ago to remove a lot of the volatile stuff, and move it to more "safe" funds.
As a result the hit has been a lot less, its lost 0.7% so far.

GrimUpNorth

07-04-2025 19:39

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My share portfolio lost 5.48% today.

Damien

08-04-2025 09:57

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Markets up today so at least the bleeding has stopped, until Trump does something else of course.

jfman

08-04-2025 10:36

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It’s a success now everyone has got used to it. That’s how this short term judgement based on 12 hours of global stock market activity works right, no?

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