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I can see something seriously happening in London quite soon in revenge to Cameron and Co.

The government cannot be allowed to rip of the poor, and then send billions abroad in aid

There are going to be people that cannot work due to a disability, and bcoming seriously ill and passing away - and the family sueing the British Government for the death

Wasn't there a court case when the government was told it was illegal ?

I am sure my mates on here might prove me wrong

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Arthur can you please get it into your head we make a good profit on every pound we spend on foreign aid we do not give it for free it's used to grease wheels for business deals that keep British workers in work and bring far more money into the country then is ever sent out in foreign aid. These current conservatives are going to do great damage to society in the UK with the rather scummy decisive tactics they use to set different sections of society against each other but that only works if society allows it so blame on both sides. They have zero interest in addressing welfare in meaningful ways because they love their friends in business and don't want to do a thing to curtail their abuses of our welfare system. Whatever this country is after they have gone it will not be a happier friendlier society that's for damn sure but they already have enough people conned that opposing them puts you in the pro skiver camp :rolleyes:.

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Gruniad

7% of all the benefits in the world are paid to UK citizens - 30 million receive some sort of state benefit. :rolleyes:

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Fixed

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Correct. :tu: Forgot we also are so generous to anyone who manages to edge up on the shores of old Blighty that they'll die trying.

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How many come from the 7.5 million people living in England and Wales that were not born in the UK. Then add in the children of those 7.5m. That is a large proportion, 13%.

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Please remember the State Pension comes out of the welfare budget too so all the figures given include that and it is easily the largest single bill in the budget

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http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...ensions-age-68 figures here show that providing state pensions and winter fuel payments to the elderly cost 94 billion in 2013/14. This comes out the welfare budget. 220 billion is the figures posted so the 94 billion is over 40% of the total? nearly a 6th of the tax and NI take that year. I am not saying stop this all am I am saying is its not just the sick and unemployed taking the money. In fact ESA and JSA combined is a small fraction of the 94 billion

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There has to be a case for requiring better off pensioners to share the pain in some way. Quite how this would best be done I don't know, but it can't be right just to rule it out without seeing if anything meaningful, can be done to ease the burden elsewhere, especially for the most vulnerable in society.

I wish there was also a way of making those companies and individuals who irresponsibly ran up vast debt and were allowed to walk away from most of it, pay it back but that doesn't seem to me to be a priority for any government.

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Don't you think they've had their share of pain? I've no doubt some will remember not having much more than a few slices of bread to eat, war, power cuts and none of the handouts given to modern day layabouts.

A pension isn't a freebee; it's earned. It's not for sharing out amongst those who feel their 'benefits' are being 'unfairly' reduced.

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l think Osem is talking about pensioners who are so well off that they simply don't need the old age pension as they have considerable resources to cope without it as some do who are getting other benefits as well.

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There you go again misrepresenting the vast majority of people on benefits as scroungers when anybody who has normal intelligence knows that not to be true because as we all know its a small minority who sit on their asses or defraud the system but then again what else can you expect when one is educated by the Daily Mail , The Sun , The Express or various other rags.

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Well-off pensioners will pay tax on their post retirement income and that includes their state pension. As such they already get an effective reduction in the state pension that they receive.

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Thanks for telling me that nomad.

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Layabouts are layabouts. How does that make me of less than normal intelligence or a Sun reader?

Unless you're an insulted layabout.

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l have no sympathy for layabouts or cheats at all but don't go throwing labels around which you have done before that most people on benefits are scroungers, cheats and skivers because that is a total misrepresentation of the facts which you seem have completely ignored so you can get your prejudiced views over.

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I think you need to read my posts again. I refer to layabouts. You have added the bits about scroungers, cheats and skivers. You seem prejudiced against anyone who dares to mention 'benefits'.

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