Re: Coronavirus
 

In Scotland the Chief Medical Officer hinted at the current restrictions being in place for 13 weeks.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Things are returning to normal in Wuhan. I think this could go on here for up to 3 months, but I would not have thought it would be necessary beyond that.

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Except of course China did everything to bring it under control once they realised the scale of what they were dealing with.

Track, trace, isolate.

It will take us longer because we didn't conform to the consensus of the global scientific community fast enough, haven't done any meaningful testing in the context of above and allowed large gatherings to continue far longer than they ought to have. Indeed on that last point it was only when the Arsenal manager caught it that we suspended Premiership games and other sports followed suit.

We have almost nothing in common with the response in Wuhan (once China acknowledged the scale of the problem).

And of course regardless of what's going on anywhere any decisions should be based on the body count here.

I bet this didn't happen in Wuhan:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...sXFQkBICqCTiUk

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China WAS criticised for it's tactics of severe lockdown.
Link
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South Korea
Of course that misses out strangers passing one another on the street.

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As I said.

"Did everything they could to bring it under control once they realised the scale of what they were dealing with".

Being criticised as "too draconian" is hardly a valid criticism.

As for your criticism of South Korea you are, not for the first time in this thread, lacking insight into the bigger picture.

Just because you could pass someone in the street doesn't mean there isn't value in identifying everyone else you had contact with.

When that "person on the street" comes forward you conduct similar contact tracing. Eventually you have identified almost everyone at risk. Because you are considering things at a 'micro' level and ignoring the bigger picture you somehow claim this has equal value as not tracing at all. Demonstrably false in any pandemic event.

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Where have I criticised South Korea? I just pointed out the policies that wouldn't allowed in the West, weren't necessarily a complete solution.

By criticising China for it's lockdown, they were saying a lockdown shouldn't have happened. The scientific evidence didn't support a lockdown.

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I think given the proportion of the planet under lockdown scientific analysis has moved on somewhat than that advice.

Policies like those implemented in South Korea could be implemented by anyone who legislated for it - that's the purpose of Government.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I have several points to make on this issue.

We know that we have a partial lockdown. Its not a total lockdown yet.

But, if we had only listed to the PM before and didn't defy what he said about social distance. We would NOT be in this predicament.

From the off we had panic buying, which was stupid.
We then had loads of people defying the order of social distance. And jammed trains, and had barbeques. And now the government has said that this could last for months.

I certainly hope not, many businesses will go bust. And that is a genuine problem.

And before members saying that shopkeepers can claim a certain amount of money in JUNE. Too late by then.

I know of small businesses have laid off staff, and closed down.

Local garages have closed down, as most of the work comes from MOTs.

If you follow advice on Sky ( l don't know the link for computers) there is a video by Kate Winslet, on washing your hands. Watch it and follow what she says.

MPs have not even told you what washing hands can do with the germs.

I also heard that if we get strong sunny weather. This will kill the bug.

I think that by the mid April, we should be getting back to normal - I sincerely hope so

COVID 19 Question
 

I am not a medical person.

But l would like to know how they create a vaccine to destroy the latest virus outbreak.

And if so, if penicillin works on various bugs. Why cant the present anti biotics work on Covid 19

Re: Coronavirus
 

Really no need for a new thread to ask questions about coronavirus Arthur. ;)

Merged.

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However, to answer your question: antibiotics kill bacteria but they have no effect on viruses.

To make a vaccine, you have to find a way of triggering the human immune system to create antibodies that will destroy the virus. A vaccine effectively prompts the body to protect itself.

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As Parliament has closed for a month, is it now proroged? Will he have had to speak to the Queen about it again?

Re: Coronavirus
 

No. Parliament rises for recess at Easter every year. They’ve just agreed to rise earlier and for longer.

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China being a quasi communist totalitarian state, where freedoms are not a right, but a gift of the state.

Socialism as it always ends, with less freedoms and state control.

But not compatible with our society.

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Nobody is saying otherwise, but it has helped them to control the virus. It's why we in the West might struggle and we'd be foolish to think we'll be as successful at controlling it.

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Anyway on the upside...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES-9IqSX0AE03mK.jpg

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jfman & Pierre, the next time I see either of you sniping at other members (inc each other) you will be removed from this topic.

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Given that was on Jan 2nd, before any of this, what's your point ?