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And now it's a turf war with the mafia....

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It's a good job vast amounts of resentment (on both sides) aren't being stored up isn't it because if that were the case it'd be reasonable to assume that it'll kick of sooner or later, big time. It won't affect us though... :rolleyes:

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Anyway, it's comforting to see that our borders are as robust as ever...

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/14...g/?ref=mr&lp=4

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36124256

There'll be more of this as the grand welcomes are forgotten.

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Well whatever happened to that Austrain welcome a few folks around here were extolling not so long ago?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36152927

Can you imagine what the UK would be accused of if we went down the same route?

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Rambling all over the middle east and europe, then turning up at the border of country you fancy, for whatever the reason, and claiming asylum is not adhering to the rules. So countries in that position are starting to reject asylum claims if you arrive from a "safe" country.

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Therein lies the biggest problem. The powers that be have effectively sent out the clear message that you can choose where you claim asylum and demand where you want to go. This was an exceptionally bad idea since vast numbers of economic migrants (and others with far more dangerous intent) in poor countries all around the world are now willing to take the chance that if they travel to Europe they have a very good chance of being let in and thereafter being free to 'disappear'. We can have great sympathy on an individual level for many of these people but what we can't do is take in everyone who'd like to live here because they're poor. Rather than have a clear and robust Europe wide policy which would have at least maintained some control of economic and illegal migration what we've done is

It's highly ironic that at a time of great terrorist threat, the EU, which seems intent on controlling just about everything we do in one way or another, was unable/unwilling to control something as fundamental as its border controls and is still tinkering around the edges with a box of sticking plasters. Frankly it beggars belief.

As a consequence of this abject failure we now have around the EU all sorts of problems ranging from the rise of extreme political parties to serious disputes between neighbouring countries and growing, increasingly widespread, social unrest. Yet despite all of this going on before our very own eyes, there are still those who say let them come, there should be no limits. The longer this goes on, the more serious the situation becomes and the less able we will be to stem the flow. There will be a point at which the damage being done will be irreversible and if/when that happens the consequences for our way of life will be serious.

I notice the new Austrian law:

But in practice how will that be achieved? Where are the 'rejects' going to go? Also, I'd have thought those whose asylum claims have been granted are hardly likely to sit around for 3 years in Austria waiting to be sent home to the life they fled...

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It doesn't surprise me that refugees and economic migrants might be over-represented in crime figures. They're in between a rock and a hard place in countries which, for whatever reason, can't or won't support them adequately. Clearly there will be criminals amongst their ranks but for those (the majority) who just wanted a better life, if they don't have jobs (or have very poor jobs) and are genuinely struggling to survive, what other choice do they realistically have? It's all very well 'welcoming' millions of people from all around the globe into the EU but unless there is adequate support, jobs, housing etc. and the reality in some way matches their expectations, I'd have thought you've created a recipe for a growing number of disaffected and hugely resentful people highly likely to turn to crime and social disorder and even become susceptible to radicalisation.

None of this has been thought through. I'd wager that in 10 years time the vast majority of those who've been allowed to come to the EU ere are a) still here and b) still overrepresented amongst the poorest sections of society, criminals etc. Well meaning but naïve people talk as if migrants will come, integrate, be accepted and live happily ever after when the reality for most will be very different. We can already see this across the UK and Europe where there have been various migrant influxes (e.g. post colonial) going back many decades and the subsequent creation of 'ghettos', underprivileged housing estates, no go areas, gang culture, ethnic rivalries etc. which has led to social unrest and riots. If it's already happening with the migrant communities we already have, how much more so when so many people have come so quickly and need so much help?

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:confused:
And what exactly should we be providing that would avoid the rape of a 10 year old boy?

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You've lost me there. :shrug:

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I think that Nomad believes you are being too easy on the migrants.

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Blimey that's a first. :rofl:

I'll reiterate for him. We shouldn't be letting millions of migrants into the EU. Criminals should be treated like criminals whether migrants or not. The sort of behaviour a good number of them are exhibiting is disgusting and a serious problem which is becoming a threat to our way of life. The EU in general and Merkel in particular have created a huge Europe-wide problem and are still dithering about what to do having opened the floodgates. Our support for migrants should be focussed as close to their places or origin as possible and asylum only given to the most desperate. We cannot give sanctuary to all the world's persecuted, poor or needy and must give due regard to our way of life and the needs or our people. Those who have gained entry into the EU need to be processed as quickly as possible and the economic migrants returned to their places of origin. If we fail to do this and considerably strengthen the EU's borders, countless more will follow. Realistically there's little which can be done about the refugees who've made it into the EU now. The chances of them being sent back to a pile of ruins in Syria or wherever is remote but if they are going to be allowed to make new lives here we can only hope the powers that be make a better job of integrating them into our way of life than appears to have been the case to date. Unless we get to grips with this problem it's only going to get worse and require even more drastic action sooner or later. I'd rather we didn't wait until it's too late.

I think that's it. Phew! ;)

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You were blaming poverty, when they are vastly overrepresented in crimes that have nothing to do with it. You said, "They're in between a rock and a hard place in countries which, for whatever reason, can't or won't support them adequately.", stating that the countries weren't providing for their "needs", eg a "sexual emergency"?