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still not one arrest and noticed Skynews doing everything they can to look the other way and give excuses for them

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I think the majority on both sides is mature enough to deal with this situation in an adult manner which is why there are not more of our homegrown Muslims out protesting OR rioting over this issue.It has been realised that these images are offensive and so are not being reproduced by our press.We are trying to get along as a multifaith,multicultural society.

It is the case that we didn't always show such courtesy,understanding and tact.Catholics,Prostetants and Jews have known and seen the very worst that an arrogant Christian society can produce but now we accept that others have a RIGHT to follow their religion,faith and culture provided it doesn't undermine our own society.I think we are mature enough as a society to realise that a little understanding,compassion and empathy can go a long way towards maintaining a united society.Just as long as we DON'T lose the plot now.

Anyway I cannot see why these cartoons were even deemed worth showing.They are not even funny or particularly satirical.They are childish and pander to the very worst elements and do not ILLUMINATE any particular irony of difference between Musilms and the rest of the world.Assuming that the cartoons I've seen are the ones that are those that were published.From what I can gather there are a set of OTHER cartoons that were shown around the net which were purported to have been the ones published but in fact were not.It would seem that if this is the case someone, somewhere is trying to milk the situation to their own advantage and for their own reasons.If so this is the group we should all be getting annoyed about and directing any ire at.


Incog.

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Re: Should they be published in the UK?
 

I see all the people on here and on the news giving their opinions about wether we should or should not print these cartoons.

But has anybody noticed the slogns that are on the protestors placards?

Stuff like "Kill all non belivers" and "Eurpoe, you will all come crawling when the Mujahadeen come roaring" (BBC Website from a protest IN LONDON)

Personally, and i dont know about you on this one, but if these idiots are allowed to continue with this stuff then as afar as im concerned my tolerance is fast disappearing and my stance is changing.

The problem is that there are a lot of good muslims out there, but these same people now have to make a choice and start to rein these idiots in.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/02/17.jpg

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I think that they want people to be outraged & polarise opinion, then they can be 'justified' in escalating their 'protest'. My instinct at this point is to step back, not retaliate, & let them tire themselves out.

In the meantime, yes, I would expect pressure to be brought to bear from within their own commuity to get them to calm down.

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Yes they have a right to protest. But not threaten to kill.

Those people who hide there faces should all be arrested.

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STOP, since you seem to be so besotted with the publication of these cartoons why don't you find / use some webspace and publish them?

Who exactly is your criticism aimed at? Are you aiming at the protesters for exercising their freedom of speech, the police for their current obeyance of the law or the press / media for their unwillingness to do what you yourself are quite capable of doing?

Homealone is right. There are those in the muslim community who are better placed to calm the situation in a sensible and sensitive fashion.

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Seen them at Digitalspy it has a thread with the link (yes a lefty site like that)

Freedom of speech are you extracting the urine. Freedom of speech is fine no one has a problem with that apart from Muslims. They have banners with "Massacre those who insult islam", "new 7/7 attacks", "I Love al-Qaeda", "Whoever insults a prophet, kill him", "Britain you will pay †� 7/7 is on its way", "Behead those who insult Islam", "Europe †� take some lessons from 9-11", "Europe you will pay", "UK go to hell"

and your favorite "Free speech go to hell"


Is that what you dont like me criticising Mr Angry :mad:

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I think they do, I saw people covering their faces on the anti-war marches being arrested.

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For the record, I don't have an issue with you criticizing anything. I was simply asking for some clarification.

Where do you draw the line though?

If, as you say, "Freedom of speech is fine" then it has to be equally applied. There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" freedom of speech and you cannot cherry pick.

Freedom of speech is, last time I checked, a fundamental right in Britain. That you, I or anyone else might disagree with the placards and the expressions thereon is irrelevant to the freedom of speech argument - unless it comes down to a "do we or don't we allow freedom of speech" debate. Currently we do.

The unfortunate thing about Freedom of speech, as we are witnessing now, is that it's very much a case of "If you can't take it then don't dish it out."

Peace out.

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Whoever we are
Wherever weâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s gonna take a lot more
Than tryinââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
†™cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near †™n far
Dumb all over,
Black †™n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayinââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
†™bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t believe in the book
We got over here

You canââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t run a race
Without no feet
†™n pretty soon
There wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wonââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t blow up
†™n disappear
Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)

You canââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s great
Two legs ainââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t bad
Unless thereââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades...
With whips †™n chains
†™n hand grenades...
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There ainââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t no other!
Our God says
Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!

It says in the book:
Burn †™n destroy...
†™n repent, †™n redeem
†™n revenge, †™n deploy
†™n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving **** on the other side
†™cause they donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t go for whatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s in the book
†™n that makes †™em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)

And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
†™cause if we donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t do it,
We ainââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re using at the
Time...canââ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t use theirs... it donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t work
...itââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s all lies...gotta use mine...)
Ainââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t that right?
Thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we canââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t really be dumb
If weââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re just following godââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s orders
Hey, letââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s get serious...
God knows what heâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s doinââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢
He wrote this book here
Anâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If weâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(anââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ maybe even a little ugly on the side)

Says it all for me.

Lyrics by Frank Zappa

Re: Should they be published in the UK?
 

"Behead those who insult islam" is provocation, which is not allowed.

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I'm pretty sure the majority of muslims work for their money and therefore food, and so the country doesn't feed them any more than it does the next man.

I think the worst thing about this whole affair, is that extremists are popping up, with these stupid placards, and because of this, the BNP are going to be seeing a lot of new faces.