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orangebird 26-08-2005 12:28

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
good news for telewest user's.

Telewest get it wrong too you know. :rolleyes: Why is it people think they're a shining beacon of light?

Stuart 26-08-2005 12:29

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
OB, you know the grass is *always* greener..

orangebird 26-08-2005 12:34

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
OB, you know the grass is *always* greener..

Oh.. that's where I keep getting it wrong. :dunce:

Thanks Stuart! ;)

Bill C 26-08-2005 13:20

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart C
OB, you know the grass is *always* greener..

Could be worse, They might have been secretly taken over by British Gas "Telewest that is "
.

orangebird 26-08-2005 13:30

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Bill C
Could be worse, They might have been secretly taken over by British Gas "Telewest that is "
.

:rofl: forgot about that!!!

Bill C 26-08-2005 14:30

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by orangebird
:rofl: forgot about that!!!

I have not :LOL:

Chrysalis 26-08-2005 16:07

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by orangebird
Telewest get it wrong too you know. :rolleyes: Why is it people think they're a shining beacon of light?

Umm from feedback of people I know, this may surprise you but I actually know more telewest users then NTL. So the numbers are in NTL's favour in my case, but still not one of the telewest people are unhappy with their service.

2 public survey's back it up as well.

Finally a few facts speak for themselves.

NO transperent proxies.
NO india call centre.
NO caps. (this may turn sour on 10mbit tho)
Prices are higher but it seems that isnt everyone's main concern. It defenitly isnt mine.

orangebird 26-08-2005 16:27

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Umm from feedback of people I know, this may surprise you but I actually know more telewest users then NTL.

Why would it surprise me? :erm:

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So the numbers are in NTL's favour in my case, but still not one of the telewest people are unhappy with their service.
Have you chosen to ignore some of the complaints in the Telewest sections of this forum then?

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2 public survey's back it up as well.
Surveys of a couple of thousand people. ntl have a couple of million customers. Hardly fair coverage. Still, if you form your opinions by sponsored surveys, that's your prerogative. :)

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Finally a few facts speak for themselves.
Facts - yes. Problems/issues to customers? Maybe, maybe not. But it's not your call to say whether they do or not really, is it?

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NO transperent proxies.
NO india call centre.
NO caps. (this may turn sour on 10mbit tho)
Prices are higher but it seems that isnt everyone's main concern. It defenitly isnt mine.
As I've said, you may not appreciate the above 'facts' - other people are not bothered by caps, indian call centres etc.

Chrysalis 26-08-2005 19:24

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
I read the telewest forum, I dont reply to them since I dont use the service myself at home, but if you want to tally them up I think we both know which will have the higher count. I acknowledge telewest have their own problems, but I think you wont acknowledge ntl have a worser repuatation, a higher % of dissatisifed customers, and worse management who cant get their finances in the black.

Ignition 29-08-2005 17:38

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
Here's a pretty entertaining fact for those who are interested in the finances of both ntl and Telewest and the idea that the larger company is going to be taking over:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=NTLI:US

Market Cap (Millions)5,276.723

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=TLWT:US

Market Cap (Millions)5,291.477

Yup after posting profits, etc Telewest have been steadily climbing to the point where they are now worth more than ntl on the NASDAQ.

Not bad for a company with a network, etc, less than 2/3rds the size.

Stu038 29-08-2005 17:58

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Ignition
Yup after posting profits, etc Telewest have been steadily climbing to the point where they are now worth more than ntl on the NASDAQ.

Not bad for a company with a network, etc, less than 2/3rds the size.

How much of that is through speculative buying of Telewest shares though? When the merger happens regardless of who owns the final company or what it ends up being called, anyone with a few thousand Telewest shares is going to make a $ or two, a merger/buy out price is always higher than the market value.

Ignition 29-08-2005 18:46

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
Oh some of it for sure, the graphs tell their own stories.

Although weren't the rumours on websites about a valuation of $26 a share on the buyout?

Hope for you chaps sake this doesn't turn into another CWC run.

Stu038 29-08-2005 19:02

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Ignition
Oh some of it for sure, the graphs tell their own stories.

Although weren't the rumours on websites about a valuation of $26 a share on the buyout?

I can't remember mate, but for the merger to be a success then a lot of the minor shareholders have got to sell up and they arn't gonna do that unless they stand to make a few bob

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Originally Posted by Ignition
Hope for you chaps sake this doesn't turn into another CWC run.


I wouldnt have thought so, the biggest thing with coco was that they actually had procedures restricting their engineers originality ntl didnt, we were still trusting our guys to know how to do their jobs without having to be spoon fed. These days things have changed and much of the independence and originality of the few engineers left has been crushed out of them ;)

orangebird 07-09-2005 15:57

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I read the telewest forum, I dont reply to them since I dont use the service myself at home, but if you want to tally them up I think we both know which will have the higher count.

Doh, really? Do you reckon there mhgt be more ntl complaints on here because a) the site originated form an ntl hell site and b) the telewest threads never get to the front page of the site and c) not that many telewest custiners know that the forum exists?

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I acknowledge telewest have their own problems, but I think you wont acknowledge ntl have a worser repuatation, a higher % of dissatisifed customers, and worse management who cant get their finances in the black.
ntl has more customers, so they're going to get more dissatified customers. Basic maths. :dunce:

Telewest had to restructure too ya know.... They're debt wasn't as big as ntls for sure, but then they are a smaller company anyway. ntl may not be in the back yet, butb they're sure heading the right way.

Chrysalis 07-09-2005 18:13

Re: [Merged] NTL & Telewest Merger
 
I am not talking total in a number but as a %, NTL has a higher % of customers dissatisfied, in both survey's and my real life experience that is enough to convince me.


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