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jonbxx 28-11-2024 09:55

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36186659)
Has he done any since being in power? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

This website is useful to see what has and hasn’t been done in terms of campaign pledges- https://pledgeprogress.co.uk/

1andrew1 28-11-2024 10:19

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36186693)
Nothing, the question on whether he has U-turned on "anything" was asked.

Drats, I was hoping he had seen the route to economic growth.

papa smurf 28-11-2024 10:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36186695)
Drats, I was hoping he had seen the route to economic growth.

you'll need A scanning electron microscope to find any

Itshim 28-11-2024 16:17

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36186650)
In better news it’s great to see breakfast clubs will be brought in for school kids :tu:

Maybe a donor somewhere is benefiting from this but this is great for low-income families

What is the difference between, not giving fuel allowances to oaps and not giving this to families that don't need it:confused:

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36186681)
Well he is in for another 4 years, give him a chance :D

Really hope his plans work. Based on Labour in Wales., I don't hold out much hope:erm:

Chris 28-11-2024 16:31

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36186716)
Really hope his plans work. Based on Labour in Wales., I don't hold out much hope:erm:

Welsh Labour are a bunch of unreconstructed lefty dinosaurs. The winds of social democratic reform that began blowing through the party from the mid 80s onwards (and found their ultimate expression in Blairism) have yet to get up the Valleys.

Starmer may yet prove competent or he may in fact already have revealed who he really is, but either way neither he nor the UK party are the same beast as what you’re saddled with in Cardiff.

Itshim 28-11-2024 19:56

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36186720)
Welsh Labour are a bunch of unreconstructed lefty dinosaurs. The winds of social democratic reform that began blowing through the party from the mid 80s onwards (and found their ultimate expression in Blairism) have yet to get up the Valleys.

Starmer may yet prove competent or he may in fact already have revealed who he really is, but either way neither he nor the UK party are the same beast as what you’re saddled with in Cardiff.

Perhaps changing its name from Welsh labour , to " we can con you all of the time party" would paint a clearer red line between them , however they are at this time the same party.

1andrew1 28-11-2024 20:15

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36186716)
What is the difference between, not giving fuel allowances to oaps and not giving this to families that don't need it:confused:

Which low income families don't need it? :confused:

It seems to me that both benefits are now means tested.

The national debt won't be reduced without hard decisions and whoever won power would have to make them.

Russ 28-11-2024 20:26

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36186694)
This website is useful to see what has and hasn’t been done in terms of campaign pledges- https://pledgeprogress.co.uk/

So going on that link, he hasn’t u-turned on any pledges, interesting.

papa smurf 29-11-2024 10:26

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Transport Secretary Louise Haigh resigns after Sky News revealed mobile phone guilty plea


according to GB news she "lost" 3 mobile phones before being sacked from aviva


Government of service,no more sleaze,turn the page blaa blaa blaa :rofl:

a convict in the government whoda thunk it


the incident "raises questions as to why the prime minister appointed Ms Haigh to Cabinet with responsibility for a £30bn budget".

Russ 29-11-2024 10:34

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She got what she deserved, no doubt there.

Still, this government has a LONG way to go to catch up with the last one.

jonbxx 29-11-2024 10:42

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Who is missing having to have a Cabinet Office investigation, an independent enquiry taking months and the Prime Minister saying no problem, crack on anyway?

MPs are not covered by the Exceptions Order of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act so having a spent conviction is no barrier to becoming an MP. It might be a problem for security clearance but that’s more case by case

Chris 29-11-2024 10:49

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36186749)
She got what she deserved, no doubt there.

I’m not convinced. The beak gave her a conditional discharge, which means they didn’t think any punishment was necessary. Most likely they decided it was a silly mistake rather than an attempt at criminality but as she had entered a guilty plea they had to proceed on that basis.

I don’t think hounding someone out of their job over a 10-year-old nothing burger says anything positive about the state of our public life or discourse. It’s all rather shouty and poisonous.

Russ 29-11-2024 11:00

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36186752)
I’m not convinced. The beak gave her a conditional discharge, which means they didn’t think any punishment was necessary. Most likely they decided it was a silly mistake rather than an attempt at criminality but as she had entered a guilty plea they had to proceed on that basis.

I don’t think hounding someone out of their job over a 10-year-old nothing burger says anything positive about the state of our public life or discourse. It’s all rather shouty and poisonous.

That’s more or less what I was saying. A conditional discharge is still a punishment albeit a ‘suspended’ one. The rumour is she just wanted a newer model phone but that’s wasn’t proven. The court based its judgment on what could be proven - an incorrect report of a lost/stolen handset.

As for her resigning, that’s overblown however this is the way it goes in government. Step down for about 6 months then get appointed in a different role once it has all blown over.

papa smurf 29-11-2024 11:08

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36186754)
That’s more or less what I was saying. A conditional discharge is still a punishment albeit a ‘suspended’ one. The rumour is she just wanted a newer model phone but that’s wasn’t proven. The court based its judgment on what could be proven - an incorrect report of a lost/stolen handset.

As for her resigning, that’s overblown however this is the way it goes in government. Step down for about 6 months then get appointed in a different role once it has all blown over.

If this was borris you'd be going nuts about this,
on a personal note i am dissapointed as she was going to legalise e scooters and update the law on underpowered e bikes

Russ 29-11-2024 11:22

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If this was Boris you’d be saying “all politicians are like that”.


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