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1andrew1 06-08-2024 09:43
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The same reason there weren't any police in Birmingham last night.
Couldn't be the same reason as there were police in Birmingham last night.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...calls-29676851

jfman 06-08-2024 09:50
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Couldn't be the same reason as there were police in Birmingham last night.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...calls-29676851
Odd that they couldn’t find an actual photo or video footage of police, in particular a large number of police, actually there to apprehend those carrying knives or swords.

Language is important and they’ve clearly done enough to reach the low bar of being able to release a statement. Do you seriously believe that the Birmingham event, as seen in the Sky News video, was appropriately policed?

Are peaceful law abiding people able to go about their business in that area without having their car stopped, damaged, or other threatening behaviour?

It was a mob that acted with impunity. Every chance it will be back tonight.

papa smurf 06-08-2024 09:52
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180673)
Couldn't be the same reason as there were police in Birmingham last night.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...calls-29676851
Or Sunday august 4th as it states in the article.

ianch99 06-08-2024 10:07
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Which political party did they identify as supporting ?
Reform

Conspiracy theory and nationalist groups embraced Reform UK at general election

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Compared to Labour and the Conservatives, Mr Farage's return as leader of Reform UK appears to have attracted conspiracist groups, leading to a sharp and sustained surge of interest - with Mr Farage and Reform UK dominating the conversation.

There is some crossover between conspiracist and right-wing, nationalist groups on Telegram. Several nationalist groups endorsed Reform UK.

Activist Tommy Robinson said Mr Farage is "putting across our arguments to the nation very skillfully and in a great way. There is only one option at this election and that is Reform UK".

Paul Golding, the leader of Britain First, a group founded by former members of the British National Party (BNP), said: "I suggest voting for Reform, although I am not endorsing them."

Mark Collett, another former BNP member and founder of far-right nationalist group Patriotic Alternative, encouraged his followers to vote for nationalist parties standing in the election if possible.

But if it was a choice between mainstream political parties, he said: "I suggest you vote Reform and help them to completely wipe out the Conservative Party."

Collett added the old campaign leaflets put out by the BNP were "actually markedly tamer than Farage's current rhetoric".
Surprise, surprise ...

papa smurf 06-08-2024 10:17
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Gosh with all those different factions supporting them, looks like Farage could be the next PM

Mr K 06-08-2024 10:35
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'Our Timmy' is coordinating/stirring from his luxury five star Cyprus bolthole..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2591732.html

They need to do something about the number of immigrants in Cyprus.

papa smurf 06-08-2024 10:44
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180680)
'Our Timmy' is coordinating/stirring from his luxury five star Cyprus bolthole..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2591732.html

They need to do something about the number of immigrants in Cyprus.
Most Generals opperate away from the front line;)

jfman 06-08-2024 10:51
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Who’d have thought that with the then leader of the opposition saying there’s too much migration and the Labour Party manifesto saying we are spending too much housing asylum seekers in hotels people would have voted for the party with the hardest line on immigration.

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… clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels, saving the taxpayer billions of pounds. (Page 16)

papa smurf 06-08-2024 10:54
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Who’d have thought that with the then leader of the opposition saying there’s too much migration and the Labour Party manifesto saying we are spending too much housing asylum seekers in hotels people would have voted for the party with the hardest line on immigration.
Are you suggesting these rioters are labour voters who feel let down by the government?

jfman 06-08-2024 11:11
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Most Generals opperate away from the front line;)
The largest number of people who have whipped this up are inside the M25. In television studios, newsrooms, think tanks, at party headquarters and in Downing Street.

Damien 06-08-2024 11:26
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180682)
Who’d have thought that with the then leader of the opposition saying there’s too much migration and the Labour Party manifesto saying we are spending too much housing asylum seekers in hotels people would have voted for the party with the hardest line on immigration.
I don't think saying there is too much migration means you're advocating violence against immigrants. That's giving too much cover for the mob. As Pierre mentioned before if we start conflating the two then you're essentially saying we can't talk about it, making resentment and anger worse.

denphone 06-08-2024 11:31
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Most Generals opperate away from the front line;)
l can think of names far more suitable for him but this is a family forum,

jfman 06-08-2024 11:57
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I don't think saying there is too much migration means you're advocating violence against immigrants. That's giving too much cover for the mob. As Pierre mentioned before if we start conflating the two then you're essentially saying we can't talk about it, making resentment and anger worse.
It doesn’t mean you are advocating violence, of course it isn’t, but nobody can be surprised if after two decades of scapegoating migrants that anger boils over.

There’s been a long standing political choice from the centre ground that it’s cheaper to import workers than train people here. That’s where the net migration comes from - not the people on small boat crossings who have been scapegoated as a distraction.

nomadking 06-08-2024 12:14
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It doesn’t mean you are advocating violence, of course it isn’t, but nobody can be surprised if after two decades of scapegoating migrants that anger boils over.

There’s been a long standing political choice from the centre ground that it’s cheaper to import workers than train people here. That’s where the net migration comes from - not the people on small boat crossings who have been scapegoated as a distraction.
"scapegoating"? A VERY disproportionately HIGH number of these sorts of attacks are from and/or connected to migrants. Not sure there are that many by white people. The reverse situation wouldn't be tolerated in non-white countries, so why should it in this country?

Damien 06-08-2024 12:28
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Looks like the next target is immigration lawyers: https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status...m51iHPifo6sLYA


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Far-right groups are using the encrypted messaging app Telegram to plot attacks on asylum lawyers this week, my colleagues

The groups are sharing an arson manual and tips on making petrol bombs

They are listing details of immigration lawyers and advice centres across England and telling members to attack them at a specified time mid-week


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