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Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180976)

Those odds go to show why bookies always win ;)

Now now, if you think Trump ends up in the slammer and JD Vance is up to it - 80/1. Michelle Obama 50/1. Somehow I think the former is more likely than the latter - out of a list of two things that won’t happen.

(Vance being closer to the top of a ticket, with obvious mechanisms - health another one, if unlikely. MO being top of the ticket at this late stage or winning as a third party seems impossible.)

Re: US Election 2024

https://wapo.st/4fF67om

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Trump reiterates claim about helicopter trip but doesn’t provide records

The GOP nominee doubled down on an earlier claim that may instead involve a trip with former California governor Jerry Brown or with a former Los Angeles councilman.

Former president Donald Trump insisted again Friday that he took a dangerous helicopter ride with former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, telling the New York Times that he would release flight records.

Trump, who did not release the records, told reporters at a news conference Thursday that he had ridden in a helicopter with Brown, who dated Vice President Kamala Harris 25 years ago, claiming that Brown had criticized her during the flight.

Brown, who is Black, called Trump’s story “fiction.” Former California governor Jerry Brown, who is White, and the state’s current governor, Gavin Newsom, said they rode in a helicopter with Trump to survey the fire-devastated town of Paradise, Calif., in 2018, but they said Harris was not a topic of conversation and the landing was uneventful.

And late Friday night, Politico reported that Nate Holden, who is Black — a former Los Angeles council member who grew close to Trump when he tried to renovate the historic Ambassador Hotel in the 1990s — said he was the one in a helicopter with Trump when it almost crashed.

Trump claimed in the Times interview that he had “flight records of the helicopter” showing he was with Willie Brown and that he would release the records. The Times reported Trump said he was “probably going to sue” the news organization, according to an article written by longtime Trump reporter Maggie Haberman, and he responded mockingly to a request for the flight records by repeating it in a “singsong” voice.

The Times reported that Trump did not provide the records Friday night. On Saturday, campaign spokesman Steven Cheung shared a photo of a coffee-table book published last year in which Trump mentions the story of the ride with Willie Brown when The Washington Post asked for the helicopter records.

Trump’s dubious account comes less than a month after President Joe Biden, 81, left the presidential race amid concerns over his acuity after a damaging debate performance in June. Trump, 78, told more than 30,000 lies or falsehoods during his presidency and in recent weeks has lashed out as Harris, who is challenging him for the presidency, and who has drawn large crowds and enthusiasm among Democrats.

Background to the story, at the bottom of the same article.

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During his Thursday news conference, Trump first brought the story up with his usual dramatic flair and insisted the helicopter trip was a dangerous mission.

“I went down in a helicopter with him,” Trump said of Brown at his Florida resort. “We thought maybe this is the end. … So I know him pretty well. I mean, I haven’t seen him in years. But he told me terrible things about her.”

Re: US Election 2024

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The onus is on Trump to prove his story. Flight records may not exist but Trump seemed to think otherwise. But at the very least, a narrow escape like the story he tells would be reported in the press at the time. Which it wasn't.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

Apparently Trump does…

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Former president Donald Trump insisted again Friday that he took a dangerous helicopter ride with former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, telling the New York Times that he would release flight records.

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Trump claimed in the Times interview that he had “flight records of the helicopter” showing he was with Willie Brown and that he would release the records

Re: US Election 2024

Didn't donny refuse to get in helicopters after the brains behind his taj mahal casino venture were all killed in a helicopter crash in ooh 1989? I'm sure I remember him saying that before he became embroiled in politics?

Re: US Election 2024

He probably has got it wrong, not exactly watergate though is it?

And the Washington Post, not really playing down the middle are they?

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Trump, 78, told more than 30,000 lies or falsehoods during his presidency and in recent weeks has lashed out as Harris, who is challenging him for the presidency, and who has drawn large crowds and enthusiasm among Democrats.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

If only he could tell them apart…

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181193)

He probably has got it wrong, not exactly watergate though is it?

And the Washington Post, not really playing down the middle are they?

The supposed point of his, trying not to use the word lie, anecdote about sharing a helicopter with Willie Brown was that Willie Brown shared "dirt" with him about VP Harris - if it didn’t happen, he can’t repeat the supposed ‘dirt’ that he was allegedly told…

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But he told me terrible things about her.”

Not sure what’s not "playing down the middle" by reporting the fact that Trump told that number of lies, which is relevant to the point that this story is another lie…

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The NTSB might - an incident involving an aircraft in which the occupants’ safety might be at risk must be reported as a matter of law. You would imagine the pilot would keep their own record to prove an incident report was filed as it’s a legal requirement.

Seriously, stop simping for the Donald. It’s weird.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)

Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The problem is none of it is true!

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181201)

I’m not simping, just querying. Your point about a close call being reported to the NTSB is a decent one.

Also querying the newsworthyness of the story itself.

Just because I’m not going along with everything the anti-Trump narrative is producing is not weird.

What is weird is everyone with TDS gobbling up everything with eager abandon that is spoon fed to them.

Re: US Election 2024

Truth doesn't seem to matter any longer, started in the US and its spread over here.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181194)

Not sure what’s not "playing down the middle" by reporting the fact that Trump told that number of lies, which is relevant to the point that this story is another lie…

I mean

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Translated as evil liar lashes out at wonderful opponent who’s doing just great.

The fact that someone probably has gone through every sentence that Trump has uttered and forensically fact checked them……..now that’s weird.

I bet they hadn’t done it for Biden, and/or Harris.

Re: US Election 2024

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181201)

Seriously, stop simping for the Donald. It’s weird.

Be fair, somebody has to, our resident Trump sympathiser is awol... ;)

Re: US Election 2024

The thing is, who fact checks the fact checkers?

When the whole of the media machine is after you, they will of course lap it all up at face value.

Here’s an assessment, only one I could find that was in any way counter, which tells you all you need to know.

This was when the lie count was only at 10,000

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wa...ews-2019-04-29