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ianch99 10-10-2023 23:53
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161747)
That’s probably one of the most rational.

As the terrorist sympathisers on this site always try to equate Israel’s actions and Hamas’s actions as canceling each other out. There’s numerous examples on this thread if you have a very brief look.

The argument that one side killed babies, but so did the other, so they’re both morally the same.

An Israeli soldier firing a strike on Gaza and collaterally killing a child is awful and terrible, but it takes a whole different direction if that person personally beheads that child with his own hands.

I don’t think you can equivocate the two, but happy to hear from anyone that can.
You are conflating motivation with consequence. I might be alone here but dropping a block of flats on civilians is just wrong and I am happy to say so.

I'd like to know who these "terrorist sympathisers" are on this forum? I for one, regard Hamas as terrorist ****. They are evil beyond words. YMMV ...

TheDaddy 11-10-2023 00:18
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161747)
That’s probably one of the most rational.

As the terrorist sympathisers on this site always try to equate Israel’s actions and Hamas’s actions as canceling each other out. There’s numerous examples on this thread if you have a very brief look.

The argument that one side killed babies, but so did the other, so they’re both morally the same.

An Israeli soldier firing a strike on Gaza and collaterally killing a child is awful and terrible, but it takes a whole different direction if that person personally beheads that child with his own hands.

I don’t think you can equivocate the two, but happy to hear from anyone that can.
Wonder if the Israeli apologists have considered they're comparing their behaviour to terrorists and saying they're not quite as bad, well imo they need to be held to a far higher standard than the **** of the earth and not just one rung above them

jfman 11-10-2023 07:54
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I think throwing around labels like “terrorist sympathisers” when Israel are committing war crimes on some of the poorest, most defenceless, people in the world is a bold move.

Reports overnight have them threatening to bomb aid convoys from Egypt. The fact Israel are a nation state in no way legitimises such a morally reprehensible action.

I’ve not seen anyone claim the actions of one “cancel out” the other. However it can’t be ignored that both sides (on the ground there) use the actions of the other to justify their actions.

Paul 11-10-2023 13:40
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Most defenceless ? They may be poor, but they certainly dont appear defenceless, they have far more military power then you or I have.

Hom3r 11-10-2023 15:00
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I hope it's not true about babies being murdered and beheaded.


Those types deserve everything they get.

TheDaddy 11-10-2023 16:44
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36161769)
I hope it's not true about babies being murdered and beheaded.


Those types deserve everything they get.
Think it might be true sadly and not just babies but older children too, my nephew is a UK journalist working for an Arab newspaper and he's gone from official channels that cannot verify it this morning to IDF eye winess accounts this afternoon :(

Pierre 11-10-2023 17:00
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161776)
Think it might be true sadly and not just babies but older children too, my nephew is a UK journalist working for an Arab newspaper and he's gone from official channels that cannot verify it this morning to IDF eye winess accounts this afternoon :(
Hamas deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Innocent Palestinians do not, but I don’t see how Israel can effectively deal with it.

Sending troops into Gaza would be disastrous, no effective military operation could undertaken in there.

I don’t think there should be any further air strikes.

Israel have made their point and they could flatten Gaza. I think they should focus now on improving their security.

They know who Hamas is they should put all efforts into bringing them to justice or killing them.

I don’t think Israelis want dead Palestinians in retribution, they want dead Hamas.

TheDaddy 11-10-2023 17:22
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161783)
Hamas deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Innocent Palestinians do not, but I don’t see how Israel can effectively deal with it.

Sending troops into Gaza would be disastrous, no effective military operation could undertaken in there.

I don’t think there should be any further air strikes.

Israel have made their point and they could flatten Gaza. I think they should focus now on improving their security.

They know who Hamas is they should put all efforts into bringing them to justice or killing them.

I don’t think Israelis want dead Palestinians in retribution, they want dead Hamas.
I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes

Pierre 11-10-2023 17:27
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161784)
I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes
Don’t conflate what the Israel government does to Israelis, similarly as not conflating Palestinians to Hamas.

Chris 11-10-2023 18:01
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36161784)
I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes
Is Egypt committing war crimes by refusing to allow such things to get into Gaza via its southern border?

It’s odd, don’t you think, that the description of Gaza as a sealed-off prison camp is so often repeated uncritically, as if Israel is in entire control of Gaza’s borders. It isn’t, and never has been.

jfman 11-10-2023 18:06
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161792)
Is Egypt committing war crimes by refusing to allow such things to get into Gaza via its southern border?

It’s odd, don’t you think, that the description of Gaza as a sealed-off prison camp is so often repeated uncritically, as if Israel is in entire control of Gaza’s borders. It isn’t, and never has been.
Considering Israel bombed the border crossing yesterday - three times - I’m intrigued at how you propose Palestinians actually cross.

Egypt are under no obligation to assist Israel with their exercise in ethnic cleansing.

Chris 11-10-2023 18:35
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Egypt are under no obligation to assist Israel with their exercise in ethnic cleansing.
You want to be careful … that sort of creative thinking might have Suella Braverman asking you for policy ideas.

Maggy 11-10-2023 20:17
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
There was a time when I would have supported Israel unreservedly. But not now.Not all Palestinians are Hamas supporters and if,if, Israel wants to be seen above reproach then that country needs to have a more measured response.
I'm not happy that the rest of the world has just assumed that Israel have the right to flatten all of Palestine.Not all Palestinians are Hamas or terrorists.If Israel are not careful they could make that the case.

Pierre 11-10-2023 20:24
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36161810)
There was a time when I would have supported Israel unreservedly. But not now.Not all Palestinians are Hamas supporters and if,if, Israel wants to be seen above reproach then that country needs to have a more measured response.
I'm not happy that the rest of the world has just assumed that Israel have the right to flatten all of Palestine.Not all Palestinians are Hamas or terrorists.If Israel are not careful they could make that the case.
Not all Israelis are the Israel government.

Why are you not judging them the same way?

jfman 11-10-2023 20:38
Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161811)
Not all Israelis are the Israel government.

Why are you not judging them the same way?
I’m not sure the point of the word games, Maggy consistently refers to Israel the state. It’s the state carrying out their war, siege and - in the words of their own energy Minister - cutting electricity supplies because of the actions of a small number of Palestinians.

It’s frightening they can act with such impunity to essentially confess their own war crimes before committing them knowing it will not be acted upon by the international community.


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