Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133586)

If you re-read my post, I accept that we need to reach net zero by 2050. But we need to do it sensibly.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36133595)

It won't matter a jot what we do on this small island about climate change, especially when you have huge nations like China and India still using fossil fuels and will probably continue to do so for many years to come.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133579)

I simply point out that it was the obsession with green energy which has resulted in us being in the position we are in now.

Had we gone for a gentle transition, closing down fossil fuel resources only as green fuels were able to replace them, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.

We are still committed to net zero by 2050, but most of these green extremists want it all now. We should stop listening to them.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36133598)

Yet we are making tons of green energy at a fraction of the cost we are paying for it.

It’s not the green agenda that’s failed. It’s the fake free market. Happy to trouser taxpayers cash with tens of billions in profit completely unlinked to the cost of production.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36133595)

It won't matter a jot what we do on this small island about climate change, especially when you have huge nations like China and India still using fossil fuels and will probably continue to do so for many years to come.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133602)

Yes, they call it pump priming in the business. We had to incentivise the move to green fuel first, and yes, happily the cost of production has fallen.

The green protagonists want every thing done yesterday. They have the right dream but they lack the know-how on the means to achieve the aim without major disruption to the well being of the population.

And that’s why the protests on climate and energy are wasted in this country. They should be protesting to the large users of fossil fuels about their lack of progress. But they won’t do that, will they?They would rather protest in the UK, which has already committed to net zero by 2050. Pretty pointless, really.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36133607)

The means :rofl:

Like £170 billion thrown onto the national debt what would that buy you if it wasn’t being siphoned off into shareholder dividends?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133608)

Do you actually understand how business works, jfman?

You’d screw the economy completely if you were in charge. Investors would upsticks for a start, then where would we be?

In the wotsit, that’s where we’d be. Mind you, I expect you would be rolling in it, so pleased with yourself that no rich people were left in the country, but wondering why public services and pension schemes had totally collapsed. It wouldn’t have been your fault, of course. Somebody will have made you do it… :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133608)

Do you actually understand how business works, jfman?

You’d screw the economy completely if you were in charge. Investors would upsticks for a start, then where would we be?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133608)

Do you actually understand how business works, jfman?

You’d screw the economy completely if you were in charge. Investors would upsticks for a start, then where would we be?

In the wotsit, that’s where we’d be. Mind you, I expect you would be rolling in it, so pleased with yourself that no rich people were left in the country, but wondering why public services and pension schemes had totally collapsed. It wouldn’t have been your fault, of course. Somebody will have made you do it… :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36133614)

You don't clearly, Bernie Loony himself said a windfall tax wouldn't affect investment in the North Sea but why let that stand in the way of your fanaticism

Originally Posted by Pierre

jfman and I rarely see eye to eye, but wacking on £130+ billion to our national debt at the moment when the cost of borrowing is going up is lunacy.

Taxing the operators more, and charging on the actual cost of generation are a couple of things that could help short term.

Long term, scrapping net zero for something a bit more sensible.

Building more nuclear, fracking, tidal - take control of our national energy policy.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36133625)

It looks like the market agrees with jfman on this one. The Pound has dropped to its lowest level against the Dollar since