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Sephiroth 27-09-2021 13:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094792)
Seriously?

Most vans delivery delivers use can be driven with a standard drivers licence - HGVs, not so much; and a reasonable number of them just use cars for deliveries.

If you can’t tell that a parcel delivery driver isn’t the same as an HGV driver, then I don’t know what more to say - the difference in manoeuvring/reversing a 44 foot 44 ton articulated lorry and a sprinter van is considerable; that will be why it take 8-10 weeks to get an HGV licence, and the course can cost up to £5,000.
That's your credibility shot again. JR didn't say in Andrew's quote that the van drivers should become HGV drivers; he suggested that companies needing HGV drivers should learn how the van driver employers were successful.

Carth 27-09-2021 13:58
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Yeah, cos 'must have own car/van/HGV unit' will work well won't it :D

TheDaddy 27-09-2021 14:25
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094809)
That's your credibility shot again. JR didn't say in Andrew's quote that the van drivers should become HGV drivers; he suggested that companies needing HGV drivers should learn how the van driver employers were successful.
All those people working in hospitality probably took to van driving when they lost their jobs, not quite so simple for them to take up hgv driving as it was van driving

mrmistoffelees 27-09-2021 14:31
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094809)
That's your credibility shot again. JR didn't say in Andrew's quote that the van drivers should become HGV drivers; he suggested that companies needing HGV drivers should learn how the van driver employers were successful.

Recruiting van drivers vs recruiting HGV drivers is like comparing apples & oranges. It's a totally different process

Hugh 27-09-2021 15:14
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094809)
That's your credibility shot again. JR didn't say in Andrew's quote that the van drivers should become HGV drivers; he suggested that companies needing HGV drivers should learn how the van driver employers were successful.
They were successful because it was a simple process needing very little extra training (one of our friend’s daughter became a home delivery driver for Tesco whilst her Opera singing career was on hold due to COVID, and it was a couple of days induction/training) - that isn’t the case for HGV drivers.

1andrew1 27-09-2021 15:31
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An interesting article from an HGV driver/owner which includes a take on post-16 education:

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In the short term, we need the migrant workforce back; to do so, the government must be willing to grant visas to those who want to return to the country to live and work. Currently, they are refusing to do this, in part due to their ignorance of the blue-collar working world.

HGV drivers should be added to the ‘skilled workers’ list, rather than only HGV mechanics and instructors, and they should specifically be added to the shortage occupation list.

An issue that has been building for 15 years is not an overnight fix.

To effectively solve the HGV driver shortage, we must look to how post-16 education works. Since the mid-1990s, everyone has been pushed into university, discouraged from considering other industries that require vocational, not academic, skills and qualifications. Today, we are seeing the impact of this, as an entire sector of necessary workforce is missing.
https://centralbylines.co.uk/hgv-dri...t-got-us-here/

Taf 27-09-2021 16:39
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Our local Tesco petrol station closed for maintenance, opened for 2 days, but was shut again today as a gaggle of bods do pump calibration work.

jonbxx 27-09-2021 16:43
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Might want to relax the rules on cabotage which allows trucks coming from the EU to carry one load in the UK after delivering their goods before picking up another load to travel back abroad. Limiting cabotage makes trucking in the UK pretty unattractive - empty trucks make no money.

heero_yuy 27-09-2021 16:54
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Just been up to my local Sainsbury's (to shop) and they've wound the queue for petrol right round the car park but it's still backing up onto the A27. Must be at least 1/2 a mile long.

Glad I've got plenty in the motor.

Taf 27-09-2021 17:54
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Might want to relax the rules on cabotage....
"Inter-range services must be specifically structured in order not to infringe national cabotage laws (such as the Jones Act in the United States) preventing a foreign maritime company to carry freight between domestic ports. For instance, for an inter-range service D-A-B-C-D, a maritime shipping company registered in country 2 has the right to unload or load freight at ports A, B or C in country 1 as long as this freight is coming from or bound to a foreign port (port D in this case). Moving freight from port A to port B or C would not be permitted since it would be considered as cabotage. That same maritime shipping company would, however, be able to carry freight between ports D, E, and F (cabotage) since it is registered in country 2."

Aslo https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...ge/cabotage_en

Sephiroth 27-09-2021 18:40
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The Guvmin is being stupid because of a flawed mantra. The EU based drivers won't come just to be chucked out on Christmas Eve (of all days). Nothing short of a 1 year visa is needed. The needs of life don't stop on Christmas Day.

The Guvmin want British people to take these jobs - but they have no assurance mechanism that from Christmas Day there will be thousands more Brits driving lorries.

They are a real bunch of thossers.

Mr K 27-09-2021 18:46
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094855)
The Guvmin is being stupid because of a flawed mantra. The EU based drivers won't come just to be chucked out on Christmas Eve (of all days). Nothing short of a 1 year visa is needed. The needs of life don't stop on Christmas Day.

The Guvmin want British people to take these jobs - but they have no assurance mechanism that from Christmas Day there will be thousands more Brits driving lorries.

They are a real bunch of thossers.

Free movement of labour has gone, our choice.

1andrew1 27-09-2021 19:05
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094855)
The Guvmin is being stupid because of a flawed mantra. The EU based drivers won't come just to be chucked out on Christmas Eve (of all days). Nothing short of a 1 year visa is needed. The needs of life don't stop on Christmas Day.

The Guvmin want British people to take these jobs - but they have no assurance mechanism that from Christmas Day there will be thousands more Brits driving lorries.

They are a real bunch of thossers.
I would be more polite and call it a misjudgment - as the article I posted shows, and the JR tweet that Hugh posted, I simply don't think the government really understands blue collar jobs.

I agree that the length of stay is too short to be attractive to many and also the numbers involved are insignificant - 5,000 is better than nothing but it's not going to make a real impact especially as Christmas is the busiest time of the year for many retailers.

Sephiroth 27-09-2021 19:18
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094859)
I would be more polite and call it a misjudgment - as the article I posted shows, and the JR tweet that Hugh posted, I simply don't think the government really understands blue collar jobs.

I agree that the length of stay is too short to be attractive to many and also the numbers involved are insignificant - 5,000 is better than nothing but it's not going to make a real impact especially as Christmas is the busiest time of the year for many retailers.
... if they come. Judging by the Polish driver interviewed on ITV, he said "no" to three months - in perfect English, btw.

Pierre 27-09-2021 20:05
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This was posted on Facebook, so to be taken with a pinch of scepticism. However, I have checked and the ADR licence is a thing.

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Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive fuel tanker lorries ADR Licence Cost

Full ADR training and licensing will cost between £300-£500 depending on the modules taken.

There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However, HGV drivers can't drive a petrol tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. Nothing changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are probably driving this week delivering fuel so nothing changed much.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down to media hype.
It's not because of Brexit, because all the EU drivers went back to Europe which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.

So what's changed? NOTHING !!

Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news to sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed temporarily.

The result of the 'MEDIA' scaremongering!!

Massive panic and chaos by everyone which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.


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