Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099810)

Yes, I wouldn’t dump the BP & Shell shares just yet. This country will look like Cuba in 30/40 years with people still running petrol/diesel motors long after they’ve stopped making them.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36099811)

That probably depends on fuel prices and availability of petrol and diesel. If road pricing is introduced as anticipated then diesel and petrol cars could be expensive to run.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099753)

It’s not like a thermostat! If we start interfering to this extent with natural processes, we could trigger the ice age that was predicted in the 1960s.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099812)

Nah, unless the Govt. tax it to the maximum it'll be a good price.
Look at around a year ago when nobody was buying it . . they were almost giving it away ;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36099818)

Once you've got a lot of second hand EVs available at good prices then it will be far cheaper to drive one than petrol vehicles, both in fuel costs and maintenance. And as new EVs become mainstream, their prices will reduce. Government's taxation will shift from fuel towards road pricing but it is unlikely to reduce tax on petrol and diesel.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099821)

How long is the average battery life on an EV?
Can batteries be replaced on an EV?
What do we do with the old EV batteries?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099821)

How long is the average battery life on an EV?
Can batteries be replaced on an EV?
What do we do with the old EV batteries?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099821)

How long is the average battery life on an EV?
Can batteries be replaced on an EV?
What do we do with the old EV batteries?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36099822)

They can be replaced. Don't know what we do with EV batteries but rightly or wrongly, it's the direction we're going.
Importantly costs and performance will improve as it becomes mainstream.
At that stage the government is likely to introduce road tax.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099772)

I've decided to play the game, as they do.

I declare, and promise, that by 2050 I will no longer use any type of power for heating, lighting and cooking. I will no longer leave electrical appliances plugged in overnight, and will no longer use transport of any mode to travel around. I will also no longer eat meat, fish, vegetables or drink the water that will (by then) probably be in short supply.

There, I think that's covered it . . go me :D

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099829)

Battery life, depending on the make/ model/ use etc is projected to be anywhere between 185,000 - 500,000 miles.

Cost of replacing a battery can be anywhere between £9K - 20K

So suddenly those cheap second hand EV's don't look so attractive.

That said, in the great scheme of things, it's not a million miles away from the kind of decisions you have to make with the economic life of liquid fuelled cars.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36099832)

EVs are developing so rapidly I suspect their second hand value will plummet. If I were in the market for one now I think I’d be looking for a lease of some sort.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36099747)

your correcting yourself there, as I was referencing Boris's speech and simply stating that we were told pretty much the same thing decades ago (I wasn't referring to nuclear armageddon) so don't let your personal bias spoil my diatribe.



I care, but my point, which you must have heard as it whistled over your head..... is that we've heard it all before, many, many ,many times.

and the end hasn't come. So all they do ratchet up the extreme rhetoric.

I'm not a climate change sceptic, how can you be ? Climate changes that's a fact. What I am is a politician and (some) scientists sceptic. As their track record isn't great.

Here's some of their greatest hits.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-...c-predictions/

Has no one ever heard of the boy that cried wolf?

I'm all for a sensible non-sensationalist/ extremist debate on the future and what we can do and what technologies we can produce. As the debate is always around - drive less, fly less, eat less, buy less, build less - we are very resourceful and inventive mammal and I'm sure we'll work out solutions to problems.

We're heading in the right direction, but I don't agree we have to race there, or set arbitrary dates to reach certain targets.

We need to build several new nuclear plants, lets work on reducing the cost of those. Let's wait until the technology of air-source heat pumps is mature and we know they're going to work.

Let's invest in tidal power, the most overlooked renewable there is. Criminally for this island. As long as the Moon and Earth dance with each other we have a predictable power source. Invest in it. I'd rather have a tidal power plant than HS2.

This circus in Glasgow is virtue signaling of the most repulsive type, I actually agree with Greta it's all talk and no real action. Action on things that will really make a difference. Not penalising normal people for wanting to live their lives.

Caring about Climate change is a privileged position, for those that can afford to.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099830)

Do you not expect to be around in 2050, Carth?