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Chris

14-01-2021 23:16

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36066691)

Unfortunately, the UK-EU agreement allows full transit rights between the UK and EU so an arbitrary blocking of EU traffic in to the UK might be a no no

I wouldn’t advocate that anyway ... it’s hardly neighbourly. However I still am not seeing the downside if there are now other factors pushing through-traffic away from the UK.

heero_yuy

15-01-2021 07:57

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All those illegals jumping out of the back of lorries only to be confronted by a man dressed in green with a pig tucked under his arm speaking something other than English. :D

Paddy1

15-01-2021 09:20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36066715)

All those illegals jumping out of the back of lorries only to be confronted by a man dressed in green with a pig tucked under his arm speaking something other than English. :D

I'm not quite sure how an illegal in Callais would end up on a lorry in Cherbourg but I'm more interested in this person dressed in green, holding a pig and speaking something other than English. Who is he or she? If they're not speaking English, what are they speaking? I have to admit, they sound fascinating.

heero_yuy

15-01-2021 09:52

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Irish HGV's not going through the UK to get to and from the EU. Do try to keep up. ;)

Mr K	15-01-2021 10:34

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No surprise to see Govt promises on workers protections post Brexit quickly broken. The Victorian era here we come again....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...orkers-rights/

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Boris Johnson is considering a post-Brexit overhaul of labour laws to free businesses from regulations originally imposed by the EU.

The 48-hour working week is one of the regulations being targeted by the Government, it was reported on Thursday night, in a move that is likely to meet with resistance from trade unions.

Hugh	15-01-2021 10:47

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36066715)

All those illegals jumping out of the back of lorries only to be confronted by a man dressed in green with a pig tucked under his arm speaking something other than English. :D

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Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36066718)

I think they expected to see some chaps in three piece suits and bowler hats, eating jellied eels, carrying a copy of the Times, with a bulldog beside them...

Paddy1

15-01-2021 10:50

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36066719)

Irish HGV's not going through the UK to get to and from the EU. Do try to keep up. ;)

Surely they'll get on a different HGV that is going to the UK then since that's where the want to go ;)

Chris

15-01-2021 10:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066724)

I think they expected to see some chaps in three piece suits and bowler hats, eating jellied eels, carrying a copy of the Times, with a bulldog beside them...

Nah, those are the last remaining deep cover KGB agents who won’t believe the cold war’s over :D

Sephiroth

15-01-2021 10:58

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36066720)

No surprise to see Govt promises on workers protections post Brexit quickly broken. The Victorian era here we come again....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...orkers-rights/

The Trade Unions continually seek to break this country's back . For example, they've thoroughly worked London Transport over given the £50K + salaries of tube train drivers hence the enormous cost of fares.

The Torygraph article needs to be more fully understood and includes this selected text:

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Mr Johnson recently said there would be “big changes” to regulation this year but that the UK would not “regress” on workers’ rights and would not “send children up chimneys”.

But ministers believe the current laws, imported from EU law as part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, can be tweaked to benefit both businesses and workers.
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The Telegraph understands that options drawn up by officials include the removal of the requirement of businesses to log the daily reporting of working hours, saving firms money.
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On Thursday night Kwasi Kwarteng, the Business Secretary, said: “We are not going to lower the standards of workers’ rights. The UK has one of the best workers’ rights records in the world - going further than the EU in many areas.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066724)

I think they expected to see some chaps in three piece suits and bowler hats, eating jellied eels, carrying a copy of the Times, with a bulldog beside them...

I do hope that Brexit has not kyboshed jellied eels.

Hugh	15-01-2021 12:10

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If they don’t record the hours worked, how can it be proven that they are following the law?

Apparently, rules around rest breaks at work could also be under scrutiny.

Chris

15-01-2021 12:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066733)

If they don’t record the hours worked, how can it be proven that they are following the law?

Apparently, rules around rest breaks at work could also be under scrutiny.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Do businesses have to keep compliance records for absolutely everything, or only safety critical issues like COSHH, fire systems etc? It seems to me that working hours is something that can be raised as a complaint by staff.

Hugh	15-01-2021 12:44

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Difference between "compliance" and ‘assumed guilty"...

I have to have a MOT certificate for any car over 3 years old - is the assumption that everyone would immediately be driving unsafe cars if we didn’t have them, or to ensure that certain standards are met to ensure safety?

Carth

15-01-2021 13:31

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Good, it royally screwed up people who willingly worked overtime for the extra money they needed on minimum wage. The 'target' was those employers who forced workers to work long hours, but (again) the 'catch all' approach hit everybody. It also led to a rise in the much despised zero contract area, with Agencies supplying short term workers where a company couldn't use their own workforce to cover some situations.

Many workers got round it by doing two jobs, 8 hours shiftwork in a factory followed by a further 6 or more hours taxi driving or fast food delivery etc. Completely legal, yet made a mockery of the 48 hour crap.

Chris

15-01-2021 13:47

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36066740)

That’s an example of proving an individual *has* done something - something safety-critical also.

Record-keeping in order to prove you *haven’t* given someone more than an average 48 working hours per week is categorically different. Arguably if you want a valid motoring comparison it’s like you being asked to keep records that you haven’t broken the speed limit, although even that has a much more significant safety angle than working hours. Of course people can install devices that record how they drive, but it’s expensive. So they aren’t compelled to do it.

There are safety critical things businesses must do, and must keep records to prove they are doing. Again, categorically different than keeping records to prove they’re *not* doing something that isn’t safety critical.

Mr K	15-01-2021 13:59

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36066727)

[COLOR="Blue"]The Trade Unions continually seek to break this country's back . For example, they've thoroughly worked London Transport over given the £50K + salaries of tube train drivers hence the enormous cost of fares.

Think you're in a 1970s time warp. Unions are hardly breaking the country these days.

Quite the opposite with zero hours contracts.Its employers that are breaking the workforce. Brexit takes us further in that direction.

Thank goodness Nurses aren't more militant or they'd have walked out long ago.

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