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That may be what the report says but not whet he actually said which was.

(my bold)

Source: The article you linked to.

I do agree the Government appears to be making a pigs ear of it ATM but things may be in progress that we have no knowledge of. Only time will tell.

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It does matter because people are running around getting their panties in a twist because they think that Boris said that we would give the NHS £350 million. He didn't say that.

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Correct and certain sections of the media are doing very little to confirm that because they're either pro-EU, anti-Tory and/or quite like stirring up a furore they can then fill their air time/pages with.

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Quite and it's hardly surprising that anti-Brexit portions of the media including the BBC should choose to present it so. They rarely occupy themselves with what's going wrong in the EU or the latest one-sided nonsense Juncker spouts. They seize on mostly manufactured speculation about sackings and resignations then exaggerate it as the PM's in trouble, how long can she last, has Boris blown it, will he mount a leadership campaign, blah blah blah. It's as pathetic as it is sad that the likes of the BBC should be scraping this barrel.

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Yes, his comment may as well have said " In an alternative reality the UK would be making all the decisions being stronger than Germany"

or

"The EU would never exist"

or

"The UK didn't join"

It's all the same thing as his comment.

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They can do whatever turns them on and complain about whatever they wish.

What matters is he was pulled up for misusing official statistics a full year and more after the campaign he fronted was pulled up for the exact same thing with the exact same statistic.

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Ya.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41331152
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41251914
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-po...ments-41229031
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40877721

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Indeed they may, though if the Government don't see fit to keep us informed we can only work on what we're aware of.

We can only go by what official committees say regarding customs IT systems that won't be able to handle WTO trade with the EU, or that zero preparation has been made to beef up customs on the ports that handle the most EU trade, or that the Irish PM doesn't see a way forward.

Going by the statements from various EU leaders and the EU apparatus itself it seems they aren't aware of these things that are in progress either, and given this is supposed to be a negotiation you'd hope they'd be aware of them.

Perhaps if the Government stopped treating us like mushrooms, keeping us in the dark and feeding us demagoguery, we'd all have a better idea how things are going.

Hopefully tomorrow will make things clearer for us. If it's another 'Brexit means Brexit, cake and eating it' speech it's a waste of time and the taxpayer's money sending her out there.

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Forgive me if my comprehension is lacking here, but isn't he saying, albeit in a verbose way, that in his opinion leaving could be an error?

He's saying it's possible it will be an error. That he said it could be an error is exactly the same, written differently.

In some possible branches of the future I will wake up tomorrow morning. So I could wake up tomorrow morning.

He didn't definitively say it wouldn't be an error, so he said it could be an error. In fact he quite explicitly said that it's possible it'll be an error, and he's absolutely right. It's also possible it'll be the correct move.

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Not strange at all.

He's not a politician and his campaign is over, so he has no need to be a demagogue anymore, and he's an intelligent man that doesn't have an almost religious devotion to the UK leaving the EU, so he's happy to entertain that it could go wrong.

He is powered by a desire to upend the normal political order, not any particular visceral hatred of the EU, or personal ambition. His writing in general makes interesting reading. I don't agree with all of it but it's certainly interesting.

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It's also possible you won't wake up tomorrow. Does that mean that you won't?

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This was pushed by The (Brexit-Supporting) Telegraph who not only published Boris' article but accompanied it with several editorials praising it, criticising May and saying he should make a leadership challenge. I get there is almost nothing that won't be blamed on the BBC but this was quite literally The Telegraph's story.

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Your arguments as to why we are not facing a poorer post-Brexit future seems to be based solely on pedantry.

Give us some evidence on how David Davis is going to deliver a prosperous post-Brexit future. We don't don't want Hope and Faith, give us some worked examples on how the current Government strategy is going to give my children a better future than they would have had before this madness.

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Seriously there are virtually no categoric definites in this whole process.

Neither side really has a clue how it will pan out and continually trying to claim the supposed higher ground with (un) educated analysiis is achieving nothing.

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So Brexiters voted for something that they don't have a clue how it will turn out ? Just hoping, against all odds ? Hell of a gamble and so far it isn't looking good.

Our Government can't even agree with itself let alone 27 other countries. The PM and chancellor hearts aren't really in it, they campaigned for remain after all, they can see the disaster unfolding, just a matter of damage limitation and how they can wangle it best for their own careers. As for Boris, he's certifiably mad. All these characters will be ok whatever. They are protected by wealth. The rest of the British public will suffer badly.

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A typically Mr K post, riddled with false misery. :rolleyes:

I know what I voted brexit for and it looks better than the crap we would certainly endure remaining in a corrupt entity. Especially with Mr Drunken Junckers wish to have a U.S.E (United States of Europe). Pfftt, no thankyou!

I don't know what odds you're seeing, but I see fantastic odds. A much bigger trading bloc, i.e rest of the World. The fact we CAN still trade with the EU and don't have to pay an extortionate membership fee and are not restricted to do trade with who the hell we want, but EU has it's forecast to have a shrinking market, how to remedy this, leave it and do trade with a much bigger market.

Anyway, around and around we go...... must be GROUNDHOG DAY!

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A typical Mick post, riddled with blinkered vision, seeing only what he likes to see ! The EU is doing very well atm, we're not really.

I'd rather a United States of Europe than us becoming another state of the USA which seems to be the alternative. We've more in common both economically and geographically with the EU. We'll get a poor deal from the US, they don't need us and we desperately need them, not good terms for striking a deal with 'America First' Trump.

But you're right it is Groundhog day. 10 years time come back and tell me how great it gone for yourself and family since EU exit... Until then we'll have to agree to disagree ;)

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The EU is doing well ? LMFAO :rofl:

Tell that to Greece, with HUGE youth unemployment. :rolleyes:

Tell that to Italy, whose sick of the influx of immigrants arriving on their shores and other member states being told to take in their quota, with some refusing to do so!

Tell that to Poland who are just about fed up of being told what to do by the EU.

There is absolutely nothing blinkered about seeing a better future outside the EU. We do not need to be in a special bloc to do trade with it and as I said it is a shrinking market. Better to do trade a much bigger one, the world. So you open up your eyes, because I'm not the blinkered one here!

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Agreed, Mick. There are some who don't seem to mind financially supporting a huge bureaucracy that spends so much of our money recklessly and moving all the time in the wrong direction.

I don't want any more of this nonsense. I want us to get our economy back on an even keel, making decisions in line with the wishes of the people of this country, investing in the right things and developing our trade with the rest of the world, which is what we do best as a country.

I am so fed up with all this negative rubbish that some people are spouting about our future prospects. A negative outlook generally means you will achieve little in this life, which you will spend taking orders from others and simply complaining about life. Positivity opens doors and encourages solutions that will change lives.

Not all remainers are negative of course - the positive ones have re-considered their approach and are working on ways to deliver what the British voters have said they want. They realise the futility of constantly bemoaning the fact that the Brexiteers won and they are throwing everything into making it work.

The serial complainers, in the meantime, will ultimately be left behind, which is probably the same feeling they have experienced a few times before....and will again, I'm afraid.

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:clap: Could not agree more or have said it any better.