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It's used up and down the country, not just in this instance. If it's that bad, why isn't it completely banned or simply not made in the first place.

The cheapest option was to have no cladding at all. It wasn't replacing anything, it was an additional feature.

The fire still got outside from inside a flat and then back into the building. Should that have happened that quickly?

Some of the complaints were from before the renovations.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

Well yes, Why wasn't it? One of many questions.

Again, needlessly added whilst residents were complaining about actual issues with the building.

No it shouldn't. There seems to be an acceptance that the cladding is what caused it to spread so fast.

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SPECULATION, SPECULATION.........AND A BIT MORE SPECULATION

We don't, nobody doesn't know anything yet.

" it appears". " it might", "it looks like" , ....................


This will drag on for months, if not years, until the investigation is complete.

But until the investigations are complete it's all opinion, nothing more.

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Needlessly? In your expert opinion. It was part of refurb to improve the quality of the accommodation and the aesthetic of o very drab 60's/70's tower block.

When you decorate your house/ flat, is it needlessly?

When I spend money to improve the aesthetic of my house it is isn't money spent needlessly.

Sorry no.

The fire spread internally just as quick. There was a complete failure to compartmentalise the fire.

Each flat, stairwell, dry riser, should be a fire compartment designed to contain the fire for a period of time.

Even if the fire burned away on the outside, it should not of ingressed internally and escape should have been possible.

This fire clearly propagated internally as quick as externally.

What we don't need, but unfortunately will get, is a load of armchair experts.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

Questions can be still be asked and educated guesses made. We shouldn't wait years to improve the fire safety measures until the end of the investigation, we should do what we can now.

We know the material on the outside of the building is flammable. It's banned in multiple countries. If the fire alarms didn't work we also know that is unacceptable. Both of those may be opinions but they're pretty solid ones and steps we can address before the outcome of an investigation.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7795696.html

However, this is denied:
http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...-says-10919319

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

It is NOT banned in multiple countries. It's use is RESTRICTED. Even an 8 storey building in the US or Germany would have been destroyed in the same manner. The restrictions are based upon reach of the fire ladders, not it's flammability. Theoretically, the higher the reach of the fire ladders, the higher the floors it could be used.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

As you obviously are not speculating here, can you link the Fire Brigade report concluding this?

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

Yes they can

Bollocks. Educated guesses? Yeah.

don't disagree.

Lots of stuff is flammable, doesn't mean it's bad. Depends how it is used and deployed for the location it us designed to reside.

If, then yes.

No such thing as a solid " opinion"

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

The pictures speak for themselves.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

One man's analysis is another man's speculation when seen from a different angle.
I don't think it's over-harmful to speculate but we shouldn't delude ourselves that our armchair analysis is anything more this.

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Nice try, That was clearly self evident. if you own a pair of eyes.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

I'm sorry but none of that justifies a mob storming the civic centre. The TMO and Council have responsibility here but it's not the ordinary staff of those organisations who are to blame for any of this.

TMO:

http://www.kctmo.org.uk/index

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

I'd rather not speculate. It could be that the exterior fire spread compromised the internal compartmentation or the internal compartmentation was indeed flawed and the fire would have spread, as you say, without the external cladding ignition source.

I guess we will have to wait until we get an authoritative report ..

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

London has had a homeless population far in excess of those who've lost their homes in the Grenfell disaster for decades. Many have been homeless for years but I don't see Saint Corbyn demanding homes be requisitioned for them. Why not? We're all human beings as he likes to remind us all the time, why don't they (and anyone else who's lost their home for whatever traumatic reason) deserve the same help that he's demanding now? Answer, because this far more about political point scoring than the homeless.

Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
 

So has the government not tried the same with their £5million fund? Does this mean that if your house now burns down through no fault of your own you are going to be entitled to approx. £5,500 plus all the other expenses the government have promised? I don't begrudge the people affected anything, but the 'scheme' was only announced when it became apparent how badly HMG had handled things.


Cheers


Dave