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stove on again -app on phone says snow :shrug:

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Never fear obo is on the case


Obama ‘travels with gas-guzzling 14 car escort to give £2.5million climate change talk’


The former President’s armoured Chevrolet Suburban has an approximate mileage of just 16 miles per gallon



wow that's 5 mpg more than my car :shocked:



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-escort-speech

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Did 2 Jags wangle an invite? He rather liked jetting around the globe burning fossil fuels and partaking of luxury banquets in the name of the environment...

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But wait - panic over!


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/...-in-september/

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Since someone wants to discuss this I thought I'd bump this thread on the subject. :)

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Piece by James Delingpole

So the cat's out of the bag. More "experts" that turn out to be nothing of the kind. :rolleyes:

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No. That's just how science and experts work. They continue to revise, adjust and research their findings as evidence dictates. What's makes them experts is both that practise and their ability to do the hard science behind their reports. It makes them far more trustworthy that the likes of Delingpole who has no scientific background of any kind but thinks he can pontificate about global warming.

What's happened here (and you can read a report here) is that they've revisied their model. They've not found global warming to be false or found it's not caused by man, but they previous models might have overestimated how much carbon will cause further rises.

However this is one study and more research is required.

They have not found global warming to be myth. They have not found previous results were 'fabricated'. They certainly haven't confessed! It's just further research. Because that's how science works. You don't have one study and that's it forever more. :rolleyes:

This happens all the time. From cancer, to global warming, to biology, to astrophysics. It's a constantly evolving field where people publish research constantly. Even the theory of relativity has had things revised. I don't see Delingpole claiming Einstein lied (although it wouldn't surprise me).

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You might want to read this statement from the people who wrote the paper Delingpole is referring to. I'll even save you a click.

Delingpole put himself forward as a parliamentary candidate in 2012 on an anti-wind farm ticket before withdrawing. He has been attacking anthropomorphic climate change since at least 2009. The article you link is a comment piece and the bias is abundantly clear.

Delingpole is misrepresenting the science to fit his own agenda. He's a conservative libertarian so objects to any government intervention. I very much enjoyed his attacking the renewables industry while he hasn't a word to say about the far larger fossil fuels industry, or that fossil fuels receive subsidies worldwide of more than 3 times the annual value he claims the renewables industry has. The renewables industry is apparently making a small cabal super rich while, of course, nothing like that happens in the fossil fuels industry.

He hasn't a clue what he's talking about and makes a series of absurd statements. The man should probably stick to using his English Literature and Language degree and writing rather than trying to second-guess climate scientists. It's odd when people are happy to believe a man like this, apparently unconditionally, without doing any kind of reading into the matter or bias on his part, but I guess confirmation bias is powerful.

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The fact he thinks he thinks making revisions to their theory is a weakness of science (or lie as he calls it) rather than it's strength is a very telling indicator of how he thinks IMO. If he took the approach to other theories as does to global warming then I am guessing he doesn't believe in relativity, gravity, evolution or that the earth revolves around the Sun.

The fact he was clearly to dim to understand the report (or just a charlatan) makes me glad we do have experts rather than opinion writers for whom ignorance of a subject is no barrier to getting to write about it in a national newspaper.

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I am quite happy for professionals and politicians to admit when they are wrong and I would expect them to do so.

But I would have expected a certain amount of scoffing from those who demand more proof of so called 'climate change' when the scientists have to admit an over-estimation of the impact of increased levels of carbon in the atmosphere.

What I want to see is a reasoned debate, and more evidence, which we are not getting. Yes, if you accept that global temperatures are rising, it is a reasonable deduction in the circumstances to look at carbon as being the cause.

Unfortunately, it is not at all clear that temperatures are rising. Sure, there are indicators that might suggest that they are, but there could also be other explanations. For example, changing ocean currents can bring increased or decreased water temperatures, which might explain why ice is melting in the Arctic. This may be a regular occurrence over time for all we know, in fact the Arctic has been free of ice before, and Greenland has experienced this not long ago historically.

My position is to keep an open mind, but I do have a sense of disbelief. I would be a lot happier if we were given satellite temperature readings over the whole globe to show us what was happening, which would be far more representative of the situation. For some strange reasons, the climatologists prefer to use less reliable and less comprehensive and manipulated readings from weather stations which are not evenly spread across the world and that leave huge gaps in sparsely populated areas.

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We have readings from satellites available showing temperature changes consisting with increased greenhouse gas concentrations.

We also have data for historical temperatures going back hundreds of millions of years.

There appears to be tons of evidence. I would assume those with the PhD's, etc, in climate science would be using appropriate measurements.

Predictions, obviously are a somewhat different matter, but empirical measurements are there by the bucket load.

It's far from uncommon for predictions and measurements to be refined. Indeed it's the point. I would have been far more perturbed if the paper hadn't been released, or science as a whole rebuffed it, rather than reviewing it and modifying models accordingly.

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But this presents as if the scientists made a declaration and then sat back for years until they're forced to admit they were wrong.

In reality they had a current working model, continued to look into it, and now are changing that model. This model wasn't changed by humanities graduates writing scolding opinion pieces but by further work by climate scientists. Itself that should be a rebuke to those who think it's some sort of conspiracy.

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To me it seems obvious that as more data is received and integrated the model has to change.

The only way a model can be set in stone is if the new data is ignored, the model would quickly become outdated and a new model would have to be produced.

Either way new data has to be considered.

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If you read my whole post, I was agreeing that people needed to re-evaluate when presented with updated evidence - indeed, the standard cry of "u-turn" every time a politician re-evaluates a situation in the light of argument really infuriates me.

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Have you seen the unmanipulated satellite readings, then?

It seems that the only time this damning climate change evidence gets presented, it is on the basis of manipulated data.

I'd really like to know what the unfiddled data shows!

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...-surface-data/

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Just been listening to a programme on Radio 4. Apparently, since you wrote this it's been said by experts on the subject that we now only have 13 years left to reduce global warming or the effects will be irreversible :shocked: