Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

True, but either way they were already well ahead with 100/120 in most areas (as long as you didn't take peak-time congestion into account). Beyond 'pwning BT' there wasn't really any other reason to come up with 152 was there?

Hehe. You and I both know that higher maximum speeds don't result in a proportional increase in utilisation so the actual required capacity will be less than the increase in headline speed. ;)

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

I'll restate. I'm privy to some capacity planning information and it's not being done on the basis of 400Mb with a 'huge' upstream increase for right now.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

As it's most likely confidential we won't ask either.;)

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

It's not just about keeping up with VM , the BT Ceo claims to be interested in making a big push on their TV product.

To qualify for a multi room box you need BB speeds of at least 23 Mbps which in my opinion isn't enough if you have two recordable HD boxes. Recording or watching one Internet HD channel uses around 8 Mbps with two tuners per box that can soon push some upto their maximum infinity connection.

BT have also discussed their aspirations to introduce 4K Sport which would require considerably more , Netflix 4K currently requires a connection of 15 Mbps or greater so you'd imagine fast moving sport would be at least 20.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

BT will be delivering about 40Mb to about 50% of the population. I suspect they're fine with that for a while.

To deliver too much more will start to cost some serious money. BT aren't huge fans of spending money on infrastructure, they prefer spending on content these days.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

Considering 1080p Blu-ray averages over 30Mbps (taking the example of the LOTR trilogy) decent quality 4K is going to require considerably more than 15-20Mbps.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

But then your comparing optical media to broadcast/streaming , Netflix streams 4K using the HEVC/H.265 codec and recommends a connection of 25 Mbps although the stream requires around 15 Mbps the results are pretty good in my experience.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

That's the whole point. Streaming quality is crap. Streaming services are held to pathetically poor standards because everyone is used to sub-720p quality being labelled '1080p' and proper 1080p quality being labelled 4K.

The results are pathetically poor in my experience.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

So this years upgrade is ~225Mbps? as 33% on top of that is 300Mbps ;)

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

This year's top tier will be 300 :)

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

I'd love to see some genuine comparisons with Netflix streamed quality and a blu-ray copy.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

Here ya go - 4K streaming versus Blu Ray.

https://www.avforums.com/article/is-...-blu-ray.10589

1080p streaming versus Blu Ray.

http://hometheaterreview.com/why-blu...reaming-today/

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

Heh, I forgot about the audio. Blu-ray disks with DTS-HD Master audio (which are widely available today) can use up to 25Mbit/s just for the audio alone. Never mind what upcoming Dolby Atmos audio tracks will use, with up to 128 audio streams...

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I'd offer, but without a Blu-Ray drive in my PC all I can do is take poor quality phone-cam shots of my projector screen while playing it... kinda defeats the point. Also lack of frame control that way.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

In the case of the Lord of the Rings trilogy the following bit rates were used for the extended edition Blu Rays:

LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring
Average video: 29.84Mbps
Average audio: 4.717Mbps

LOTR: The Two Towers
Average video: 29.9Mbps
Average audio: 4.427Mbps

LOTR: The Return of the King
Average video: 30.23Mbps
Average audio: 4.474Mbps

The comparisons I linked were notable in mentioning the difference in audio quality.

Fingers crossed that, at some point fairly soon, enhanced lossy codecs and lower bit rates aren't needed to compensate for sub-standard networks.

Re: 200Mbit coming soon? (According to a survey)
 

Yeah, I wasn't trying to dispute the streaming vs Blu-ray argument at all, I was genuinely curious to see how things like streamed h.265 stacks up against say an MPEG-2 blu-ray. It's one thing to mention bit rates but if the CODEC is naff, then it's not the full picture.