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qasdfdsaq 08-04-2015 16:55

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drsox (Post 35770375)
So I finally got time to go up to this business and play about...
Modem only mode gave my laptop:
Code:

  IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.51(Preferred)
  Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.240
  Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 05 April 2015 20:46:52
  Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 12 April 2015 20:46:52
  Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.49
  DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.253.131.192
  DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.123
                                      194.168.8.123

The IP address isn't the static IP address the business is supposed to have..
I had no internet access and couldn't ping the default gateway - but did have ARP to it:
Code:

80.235.149.49        e0-2f-6d-6c-d8-da    dynamic
Possibly I got dumped into the walled garden "autoregister" mode network?

PPPoE produced absolutely no response.
One thing I forgot to do was to try spoofing the MAC of the cable modem on my machine or ethernet router :( I now wonder if that is all that needs to be done? Or go through the Autoregister stuff, if that is even still a thing?

This is where you'd need to start up the L2TP dialler to whatever IP you guessed according to Ignition's hints above.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sebyoung (Post 35770401)
I had the same result when I connected the SH to our DrayTek Vigor 2860. The IP address was not our static IP (I believe it was 80.193.19.151 with a default gateway of 80.193.19.145). I did try spoofing the MAC address of the SH but it didn't make a difference.

You're not supposed to have the correct IP or internet access in this mode. This is what the L2TP/PPP tunnel is for. The IP given to you via the modem is only there to allow you dial up the VPN.

sebyoung 08-04-2015 17:12

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Understood. I tried to use this IP as the L2TP server IP address along with the gateway IP. I then specified the static IP but couldn't get it to work.

ccarmock 08-04-2015 21:36

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
I wonder in that mode (which does look like Wall garden I agree) whether the business SH can get to the PPP/L2TP endpoints so that the tunnel can be established only....

huwjr 09-04-2015 09:29

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
I feel like we're going round in circles now, read the thread perhaps? just a suggestion..

drsox 09-04-2015 11:54

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
I did read it - it still isn't clear what settings are required to get it working. (Other than the lazy multi-static ip range upgrade).
Helpful comment though, next time can you link to the page or post that contains the information people are supposed to have read? 10 pages of reading with mostly "stupid business hub crashed again" posts with little information doesn't help, especially as you seem to already know that the information we need exists and (I presume) can find it easier than I can.

huwjr 09-04-2015 12:10

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drsox (Post 35770375)
One thing I forgot to do was to try spoofing the MAC

I tried this, makes no difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drsox (Post 35770523)
I did read it - it still isn't clear what settings are required to get it working.

It is very very clear from what you read here, and what Virgin say should happen (and doesn't, but does on Residential lines) that Modem mode 100% does not work.

You can continue to try and find a work around but I don't believe you'll have any luck, it's a needle in a haystack without knowing their exact topology.

Others are also trying to troubleshoot a known-buggy firmware, that has been updated and re-released on the same version number. there is no hope!

By you, I do not necessarily mean you personally, I'm observing the amount of people who still think this is possible.

qasdfdsaq 09-04-2015 12:22

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ccarmock (Post 35770465)
I wonder in that mode (which does look like Wall garden I agree) whether the business SH can get to the PPP/L2TP endpoints so that the tunnel can be established only....

That's the idea. I suspect you'd also be able to get through to the same endpoint with your own router in modem mode, if you follow Igni's tips on figuring out what your endpoint is.

That said it's possible the endpoints don't actually care where you're dialling in from, you may be able to use any, and not just your local one.

ccarmock 10-04-2015 19:57

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Had a call from VM Business today. I asked about 152 Mb/s with fixed IP address - still work in progress, current estimate 2 months approx. till launch.

drsox 12-04-2015 17:53

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Still stubbornly refusing to give up even though others claim it isn't possible to get single static on the Business Hub:

Compared to last time I tried, today I was given a different set of IPs
Last time:
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.51(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.49
Today:
IP Address: 82.35.50.221
Gateway: 82.35.50.209

L2TP to any of the IPs mentioned didn't work :( Sad times.. getting pretty annoyed with the superhub dropping off the LAN. Any sneaky method of going back to the pre-modem only firmware as that one didn't seem to have stability issues.

ccarmock 12-04-2015 18:20

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35770532)
That said it's possible the endpoints don't actually care where you're dialling in from, you may be able to use any, and not just your local one.

That's a good point - one of the benefits of this way to deliver fixed IP addresses was the ability to 'take them with you' if you change location, or so I was told when ordering, therefore it's likely that a give ID/Password would work on any of the endpoints.

qasdfdsaq 13-04-2015 10:27

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drsox (Post 35771146)
Still stubbornly refusing to give up even though others claim it isn't possible to get single static on the Business Hub:

Compared to last time I tried, today I was given a different set of IPs
Last time:
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.51(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 80.235.149.49
Today:
IP Address: 82.35.50.221
Gateway: 82.35.50.209

L2TP to any of the IPs mentioned didn't work :( Sad times.. getting pretty annoyed with the superhub dropping off the LAN. Any sneaky method of going back to the pre-modem only firmware as that one didn't seem to have stability issues.

Of course not. You're not running VM's L2TP server on your own computer so why would trying to connect to yourself ever work?!

Read this post as I've already suggested three times to figure out what IP you should be using.

If you still can't figure it out try either:
lutn-pppsm-1.network.virginmedia.net [194.145.149.95] or
croy-pppsm-1.network.virginmedia.net [194.145.148.253]

drsox 13-04-2015 13:57

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Quote:

L2TP to any of the IPs mentioned didn't work
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35771238)
Of course not. You're not running VM's L2TP server on your own computer so why would trying to connect to yourself ever work?!

I should have been clearer.. I mean the IPs mentioned in the thread (and the post you linked to), not the ones I had quoted in my post..

As you say - why would connecting to myself work :)

qasdfdsaq 13-04-2015 17:48

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Oh. Sorry. In that case... Hmm. Shame.

Are you able to ping or traceroute any of the pppsm IPs? I'd be curious if there is internal connectivity at all, as there don't seem to be routes advertised externally.

sebyoung 18-04-2015 11:55

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Gave up and bought the block of 5 IPs.

Sephiroth 18-04-2015 12:22

Re: Virgin Business Superhub now has Modem Mode
 
Am I right with the following deductions (for a business case that includes VM Business Broadband):

1. VM Business Broadband with SH is a consumer grade service.

2. In Router mode, a static IP address is provided (is it publicly routable?)

3. In modem mode, a publicly routable dynamic IP address is provided.

4. For now, modem mode is somewhat broken.


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