Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Did all those "closet" gays vote against pro-gay laws and for anti-gay laws?

There are many examples where living a lie ruins your life, whatever your "flaws" you have to live with them

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Is being gay a "flaw"?

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

They do seem to say that it is not natural (which it is), they also seem it say it is ok to be homophobic

Also, they seem to thing that you have a choice in being gay or not, well it is not that easy...

They also seem to accept the view that Homosexuality is a sin, even though the bible is not 100% clear and NO ONE has asked Jesus on the matter

So basicly, what they are saying has nothing to do with Christanity and everything to do with backward values

As for Some Sikhs, well they opnions have more to do with cultures than anything to do with religion, for example Sikhs are told to no hate or animosity to any person, regardless of race, caste, color, creed, gender, or sexuality. Marrrage is also seen as a Union of (Genderless) Souls, it does not matter what is the gender of the body that contains the soul

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I was not talking about what Sikh followers think (there are 30 million of then, I did not ask then all on what they thought), only the religion itself, but there is no doubt that the religion itself has nothing against Homosexuality, certainly at the very least, we are told to treat them as equals (even if we are not keen on what they do)

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No it is not, but for those types of people it is for them :(

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

I have no idea, you'll have to ask them (rather than assuming).

Whether that is true or not is irrelevant - it is NOBODY'S business but your own whether to make public this 'lie'. I have my own issues that are private to me and if someone chose to go public with them because they decided it would be 'best' for me then they'd end up in a whole world of trouble.

More assumptions on other peoples' behalf?

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

I agree that it is up to the person to "come out", unless they are hypocrites, but you have not come up with any examples of people who were "closet" and were not hypocrites!

And anyway, it is not a good idea to live a lie and feel ashamed at who you are!

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

I'll look on the Private Eye archive for it.

I'm not doubting that. The point I've made several times (and that you're ignoring) is that it is nobody's business but the individual as to whether to make that 'lie' public knowledge.

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Look, I agree with you on the last point, but what they are donig is not right at all in my opinion :(

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

As long as it stays as just someone's opinion then fine. But if there was somebody going around 'outing' people purely because they thought it was somehow 'best' for them, would you agree that would be an invasion of privacy?

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Yes I would to be honest, it would have been better if they were convinced to do it on their own, unless they were hypocrities

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Why should they need to be convinced at all ? If a gay person doesn't wish to tell everyone that is his own buissness and personally i wish a few more would keep quiet .The world does not need to know if a person is gay or not

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

There you go again. 'Convinced to do it on their own'.

Why are you so sure you know best about something which is private to an individual if you have not experienced it yourself?

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Becuase in a lot of cases, they are ashamed of the fact they are Gay, If some told me that they were in secret, I would not tell anyone, but I would tell them to

It is not very easy to hide it by the way :(

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Becuase I have seen what happens when you live a lie :(

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

How do you know that would apply in the majority of cases?

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How do you know that to be the case? Has there been any research in to the matter?

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By the way here's an example of Tatchell and co's early tactics of 'Outing' people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutRage...ng_controversy

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

I defy you to produce any evidence of that at all .It singularly the most crass comment you have made so far .

Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson
 

Like I said, outing people can be done when they are hypocrities (which was nearly all the cases) and anyway they only did to force the newspapers to come against it (when they were doing themselfs)

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Rock Hudson, Dust Springfield, the list goes on...