Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416165)

Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416165)

Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416156)

There are more types of Capitalism than "Free Market" and more types of Democracy than "Neo Liberal" :mad: :td:

What I am calling for is a better form of Capitalism and a better form of Democracy :angel:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416171)

If I remember rightly, your "better form" of Democracy was Autocracy*.....

*a system of government by one person with absolute power

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416173)

No, a form of democracy that cares more for the working people and less for the wealthy and major businesses :mad: :td:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35416175)

To me that statement shows how little you understand of democracy or any other kind of 'acy or 'ism
Democracy has nothing to do with how workers are treated ,it's how democracy is applied that makes the difference and that is down to individuals and how much people use democracy to reach a consensus of opinion to form a government/ruling body

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416165)

Half of the BSF was done under PFI, which just put off-loaded the debt to future generations - so not only did we, as a country, spend more than we could afford, we also indebted future generations.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416173)

No, a form of democracy that cares more for the working people and less for the wealthy and major businesses :mad: :td:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35416175)

To me that statement shows how little you understand of democracy or any other kind of 'acy or 'ism
Democracy has nothing to do with how workers are treated ,it's how democracy is applied that makes the difference and that is down to individuals and how much people use democracy to reach a consensus of opinion to form a government/ruling body

Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 35416185)

this from someone who freely admits to being in the top 0.6% of the UK's wealth?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394637)

I do give money to the homeless and direct them to charities, but the money of the rich will make a much bigger diffrence tham me alone

Also under a "World government" I will make it clear that we are in power not for our sake, nut for the sake for Humans and Earth. There will still be a independent media (all under the BBC), if they find sometihng wrong, they can report it

I am not a extremist, i have not anything in relation to communism and facism, all I have said Is that we need radcial reform to democracy and capitalism via democratic means or not :mad: :td:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394573)

I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.

I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.

Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.

What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394611)

I pay all my taxes and I have made it clear why I do not give to charity, becuase it does not make a diffence, becuase so much money is wasted on corruption etc

This is nothing more that a attempt by the defenders of a failed system to move the agurement away from the real issues! :mad: :td:

The trouble with you lot is that you are lying to yourselfs! :D

The only people on cloud cukoo land are defenders of a failed economic, social and poltical system :mad: :td:

The only people with nonsensical postings are defenders of a failed system :td: :mad:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416183)

But unfortunately, Alan, imho your definition of democracy is where you get what you want, and sod anyone else's point of view.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35416183)

But unfortunately, Alan, imho your definition of democracy is where you get what you want, and sod anyone else's point of view.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35416184)

And being government contracts, we (the tax payer) were probably overcharged on a massive scale.

Originally Posted by Pog66 (Post 35416185)

this from someone who freely admits to being in the top 0.6% of the UK's wealth?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416193)

My definiton of democracy is were the working people get the decent jobs and the biggest say in the way things are run