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LondonRoad 04-06-2012 14:09
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35436801)
You can argue this till the cows come home mate, and if you're not a Rangers fan/supporter then you will always have the view that they are guilty, and i do take on board your comment about being pedantic, but, at the end of the day thats what the courts are there for, HMRC are not the law of the land, and Rangers are innocent until proven otherwise, what gets me is the time that this whole "big" tax case is taking, and i'm pretty sure that the likes of Man U etc, who were mentioned in your posted link, and probably dozens of other English teams as well, will be pretty worried if HMRC win this case.
I think the important point you're missing is that the HMRC are the law of the land. Argue all you want but the facts are Rangers FC (IA) have been hit with a massive tax bill by those authorised to do so by Her Majesty and her Government.

As is their right they are appealing that decision through First Tier Tax Tribunal.

From the Government's web site:

"First–tier Tribunal (Tax) hears appeals against decisions relating to tax made by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)"

http://www.justice.gov.uk/tribunals/tax

I know many in the Scottish Press and a few Rangers spokesman keep repeating the mantra that they haven't been found guilty of anything.

They aren't renowned for letting facts get in the way of a good story though ;)

Mad Max 04-06-2012 14:22
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I know many in the Scottish Press and a few Rangers spokesman keep repeating the mantra that they haven't been found guilty of anything.
They aren't renowned for letting facts get in the way of a good story though
And they haven't, why would they be in court challenging it? you can throw all the links etc etc into the posts, it still does not make Rangers GUILTY, as for your last little dig i seem to recall an incident quite a long time ago with cfc, that they did there best to cover up, but we all knew what happened.........;)

LondonRoad 04-06-2012 14:39
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35436806)
And they haven't, why would they be in court challenging it? you can throw all the links etc etc into the posts, it still does not make Rangers GUILTY, as for your last little dig i seem to recall an incident quite a long time ago with cfc, that they did there best to cover up, but we all knew what happened.........;)
No idea what you're referring to re CFC?:confused: Presumably if they didn't manage to cover up whatever you're talking about you can enlighten me.

Rangers aren't in court. They're at an appeal tribunal because they've been found guilty. Ignore facts all you want it doesn't change anything.

Mad Max 04-06-2012 14:45
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Again, as i said earlier, this will always be the view that non Rangers fans will take, you're the one ignoring the facts, they may be guilty in the eyes of HMRC but until the decision has been made they are innocent until proven otherwise, i rest my case....;)

Hugh 04-06-2012 15:05
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
But HMRC have made the decision already....

Mad Max 04-06-2012 15:54
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35436825)
But HMRC have made the decision already....
A decision that is being challenged, and a decision which could yet prove to be wrong, thats why its being challenged..:rolleyes:

Hugh 04-06-2012 16:46
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
Not what you said
Quote:
they may be guilty in the eyes of HMRC but until the decision has been made they are innocent until proven otherwise
They have appealed against the "guilty" decision.

Mad Max 04-06-2012 17:16
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35436852)
Not what you said They have appealed against the "guilty" decision.
Jeez, what you on? I suppose its how you perceive it, or in your case "the way you want it to look anyway" but, as i've said all along Rangers are guilty of nothing, yet!

shaunthebrummie 05-06-2012 13:03
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
when they've finished reviewing the rangers tax case...can they look at celtic's allowing collections for a terrorist organisation...which is an offence.....which is as bad as paedophilia......

Hugh 05-06-2012 13:10
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Got to love the "but someone else did something else, so it was OK for us to do something wrong" proposition......

btw, in the interest of "pot, kettle, black" scenarios, how are those designated terrorist organisations, the UVF and the LVF - still singing songs about them at Ibrox and fundraising at Orange Lodges?

Anyone who collects money for terrorist organisations should be prosecuted, no matter their religious inclinations.

shaunthebrummie 05-06-2012 13:16
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so you're saying the collections made at celtic's grounds with the blessing(pun intended) of the board of celtic....is ok..celtic have blood on their hands...and this is why we in england hate you and them...what other club has had paedophilia and terrorist collections,as part of the clubs "illustrious" history.....vile club,horrible fans...in the league they deserve.....

Hugh 05-06-2012 13:21
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
No, I'm not saying that - as I stated above (amended whilst you were typing), I think anyone who collects money for terrorist organisations should be prosecuted.

btw, nice avoidance of my question....

Anyhoo, in reply to your commentary on behalf of everyone in England - I'm in England, and I don't hate them; you may find you speak for a small (bigoted) minority.

Your logic is only surpassed by your command of the English language.

shaunthebrummie 05-06-2012 13:25
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
so what you're saying is it's ok for celtic's fan to be allowed to collect money for a terrorist organisation at celtic's ground,with the blessing (pun intended) of the celtic board.this means celtic have the blood of innocents on their hands.what other club has terrorist support/worship and paedophilia as part of its "illustrious" history.vile club,horrible fans.and this is why we hate celtic and its paranoid,deluded fans.celtic and its fans think everyones against them.....of course they are...every one [Mod Edit - inappropriate word removed] hates celtic.....
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Hugh 05-06-2012 13:26
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mike24 05-06-2012 13:42
Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 
It would be a good idea but the SPL would never allow it!
michael


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