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No I'm more peeved by the idea sold to me and my children that a good job with a good wage was possible only with decent qualifications.But when people with little or no formal education earn fantastic wages I get really peeved especially for my daughter who found her first degree could get her no job and so has had to retrain and get a further degree to find that even now there will be no decent remuneration even though she does now have a job.

I guess though that having a job is possibly the best outcome...Pity the 7 years of study haven't brought about a vast financial difference in her income. So yes I annoyed when people who have a decent income in comparison to the rest of society think nothing of inconveniencing the public as frequently as the tube drivers do.

Oh and I very much doubt that there are many degree holders among the tube drivers because that would entail some time devoted to studying at least 3 years minimum.Of course there would be opportunities through OU and they are earning the necessary dosh to pay for the fees.

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https://nextstep.direct.gov.uk/Plann...ges/Entry.aspx

http://www.traindrivertrainee.com/Tr...onditions.html

Whilst i do not have a degree (i am self employed) i can understand why people who have invested a large amount of money getting degrees in order to advance their careers and earn a higher wage .I daresay that some train drivers may have a degree but dropped out of their initial chosen career path once they realised their degree wasn't worth as much as a train drivers certificate

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Life choices folks, we all make them.

Never assume anything about others.

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In your attempt to defend your own rights you have illustrated the tube workers points perfectly.

They, like you, are also entititled to negotiate their perceived value.

The difference being, of course, they dont whinge about your right to negotiate your negotiated / contracted / legal employment rights on public forums because they somehow feel offended or potentially inconvenienced by certain actions which that might involve.

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Does having a degree bar people from being self employed? No.

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I didn't say it did

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Indeed,

I'm always interested as to what degrees these graduates that can't get jobs have? And at what level.

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We appear to going a little "off track*" here.

I have no issues people being paid a fair day's pay for a fare* day's work, but imho the RMT is weaselling, not negotiating - they had recently signed a new "no strike" deal in return for a handsome settlement, then a couple of months later found what they thought was a loophole.

Does anyone actually think that three times basic plus a day off in lieu is "reasonable"?




*arf arf

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Hugh its ASLEF in dipute this time not the RMT amazingly.;)

And no i think it not reasonable double time and a day in lieu is ample for the ASLEF drivers.

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I know Marty, but you inferred that your being self employed was directly related to you not having a degree. I was merely pointing out that there are many, many people who have degrees who are self employed.

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:(

<my bad>

However, these sort of claims, again imho, play into the hands of those who wish to be "Union Bashers".

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:D:D

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That wasn't my intention .I mentioned that because ,being self employed ,i have made a not inconciderable investment in my chosen field and also feel that suffient remuneration is required to make that investment worth while as with people who have spent years doing degrees

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My perceived value is one set by the job market and legitimately dependent on the supply of my skills and their value. It's nothing to do with any perception of my own personal value. I don't pick a figure out of thin air, I base it around advertised salaries.

The actual value of train drivers is perhaps a different story given the extremely high supply of people who are potentially capable and willing to do the job.

I don't regard this as reasonable negotiation but blackmail. I have no issues whatsoever with unions preserving the rights their workers have and ensuring that employers stick to agreements, it's a quite different matter demanding pay and benefits well above those that the market would suggest are appropriate under threat of strike action.

It's a remarkably cynical move in contravention of standing agreements to make the demands they did and the level of action is entirely disproportionate.

At the end of the day they are free to go elsewhere if they feel so hard done by, although of course them getting 45k, a relatively generous pension, such a short working week and such a huge amount of time off is a somewhat different matter.

We will evidently agree to disagree on this. I should also mention that I'm free to whinge on this or any other subject as I see fit and of course train drivers don't whinge about me, they know a good deal when they see one and aren't likely to complain when their unions can hold the largest city in Europe and one of only two A++ cities in the world to ransom at a whim.

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They have negotiated legal rights as do you.

Live with it.

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I think the real issue is why do the employers keep agreeing to these ridiculous pay agreements?

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Because the tube drivers have leverage.

The capital grinds to a halt without the tube