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TheNorm 30-09-2010 14:13
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35100729)
..., you flesh it out, ....
OK. Suppose there is a referendum in France, calling for Roma to be rounded up and put into camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards. The referendum is passed by the electorate, in a democratic election.

The camps are constructed and staffed, and convoys of soldiers collect Roma and move them into the camps. They might rely on local people to identify the Roma in case they are difficult to recognise. Work colleagues would be encouraged to name Roma, or even descendents of Roma (depending on the precise wording of the referendum and any laws which arose afterwards). Schoolchildren would be encouraged to identify Roma families. Loyal citizens of France would do their utmost to "cleanse" society of the Roma. If they don't help, then they can't be loyal, can they?

Would you be happy for this process to occur without intervention from "...free trade associations with ideas way above their station"?

Taf 30-09-2010 15:21
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. Suppose there is a referendum in France, calling for thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists to be rounded up and put into camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards. The referendum is passed by the electorate, in a democratic election.

The camps are constructed and staffed, and convoys of soldiers collect thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists and move them into the camps. They might rely on local people to identify the thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists in case they are difficult to recognise. Work colleagues would be encouraged to name thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists, or even descendents of thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists (depending on the precise wording of the referendum and any laws which arose afterwards). Schoolchildren would be encouraged to identify thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists families. Loyal citizens of France would do their utmost to "cleanse" society of the thieves, robbers, murderers and rapists. If they don't help, then they can't be loyal, can they?

Chris 30-09-2010 15:29
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35100803)
Would you be happy for this process to occur without intervention from "...free trade associations with ideas way above their station"?
Yes. Such circumstances fall clearly within the purview of the UN.

TheDaddy 30-09-2010 15:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35100865)
Yes. Such circumstances fall clearly within the purview of the UN.
For UN see League of Nations. The very reason we were signed up to the EU was to stop scenarios like Norm's occuring in Europe again, we cant rely on that New York talking shop.

Interesting changes you made to that post Taf, notice you didn't feel the need to change the word "cleanse" though sadly.

Ignitionnet 30-09-2010 16:15
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35100803)
OK. Suppose there is a referendum in France, calling for Roma to be rounded up and put into camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards. The referendum is passed by the electorate, in a democratic election.

The camps are constructed and staffed, and convoys of soldiers collect Roma and move them into the camps. They might rely on local people to identify the Roma in case they are difficult to recognise. Work colleagues would be encouraged to name Roma, or even descendents of Roma (depending on the precise wording of the referendum and any laws which arose afterwards). Schoolchildren would be encouraged to identify Roma families. Loyal citizens of France would do their utmost to "cleanse" society of the Roma. If they don't help, then they can't be loyal, can they?

Would you be happy for this process to occur without intervention from "...free trade associations with ideas way above their station"?
If we all decide to go to logical extremes there should be no sovereignty at all, ever, as you never know when a state may decide to do something objectionable.

I'm sure I could come up with some extreme examples to try and prove my point too, doesn't change that the EU is federalist, largely socialist,. and has no respect at all for individual member states or for that matter democracy.

Taf 30-09-2010 17:16
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35100890)
Interesting changes you made to that post Taf, notice you didn't feel the need to change the word "cleanse" though sadly.
Why? It's a perfectly apt English word to describe the "cleaning" of outlaw dross from society.

Or maybe it's that overused phrase "ethnic cleansing" that makes you sad? It certainly makes me sad when directed against innocents.

TheDaddy 30-09-2010 17:18
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35100989)

Or maybe it's that overused phrase "ethnic cleansing" that makes you sad? It certainly makes me sad when directed against innocents.
It's not an overused phrase when it comes to these people....


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