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Pierre 21-10-2009 12:54
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34894529)
The irony is that even those brown faced people who were once practising muslims and have abandoned Islam for the English culture that a lot of non muslims say we should adopt, - who drink, who go to bars, pubs & nightclubs, who eat pork, who change there names to English/westernern variations - even they wont be accepted by the racist element.
You will never be accepted by the racist element, that's why they're the racist element.

I'm sorry to read about the extreme minority that have acted shamefully towards you and your family.

But they are the minority, the same way Islamic extremists that preach hate and death are the minority and not representative of the majority.

I'm certain that any non-white person in the UK will have been subjected to some form of racial mal-treatment at some time. All we can do is keep trying to eradicate it.

A woe is me approach doesn't achieve anything.

Damien 21-10-2009 12:58
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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34894535)
I think you would have been better asking when did he arrive in this country rather than talking about statistical evidence of this trend.

You are only 23 and therefore quite obviously unaware that such things as this used to happen in this country in the none to distant past.
Yes I am younger than some people. Thankfully it was not with my birth that record keeping and statistics began.

Pierre 21-10-2009 12:59
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34894530)
When my family and I arrived in this country we were helped at all, least of all by the government or local concils. We faced prejudice and bigotry nearly every day. I doubt very much you have ever encountered signs on windows of shops saying, "no dogs, no Blacks, no Irish." My kid sister passed out in the street one day. My mother went in to a café to ask for a glass of water for her and was told, "get out, we don't want your sort in here."
Again I'm sorry to hear that, but that is not representative of this nation as a whole. I'm sure many of thousands of people of all religions, race, sex, sexuality, size, ability and looks get abuse and discriminated against every day.

Should we just sit around and wallow in our self pity? or give them the finger and get on with it and ignore them for the insignificant retards they are.

Gettitng on with it, is what the British are best at.

Flyboy 21-10-2009 13:01
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894533)
How long has it been now since all that stopped?
It hasn't stopped at all, it has just shifted to another race.

Damien 21-10-2009 13:02
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34894536)
The trouble is anecdotal evidence isn't permitted for obvious reasons and the only examples we get in the media are the more extreme cases. So you can't win.
Anecdotal evidence, either personal or from the media, is worthless and it only shows a single case. Often exaggerated or fabricated. Who gets social housing would be a matter of public record however. If it is true that immigrants jump the queue then their would be evidence of such:

  • A substantially higher rate of success for immigrants in applying for these houses. Proportionate to the make up of the waiting list.
  • A government/social policy decreeing that those granted asylum should have priority access to council housing.

Peter_ 21-10-2009 13:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34894539)
Yes I am younger than some people. Thankfully it was not with my birth that record keeping and statistics began.
Yes but what he says did actually happen and if you had asked the question he could have told you when.

Statistics do not come into it as it is a part of our history that we like to brush under the carpet.

We were never as bad as the United States but that is how some of our immigrants were once treated by people who are probably the forefathers of our present bigoted members of society.

Damien 21-10-2009 13:07
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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34894544)
Yes but what he says did actually happen and if you had asked the question he could have told you when.

Statistics do not come into it as it is a part of our history that we like to brush under the carpet.

We were never as bad as the United States but that is how some of our immigrants were once treated by people who are probably the forefathers of our present bigoted members of society.
Hang on. I am talking about the immigrants get all the houses stuff. Not racism..

Flyboy 21-10-2009 13:07
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34894540)
Again I'm sorry to hear that, but that is not representative of this nation as a whole. I'm sure many of thousands of people of all religions, race, sex, sexuality, size, ability and looks get abuse and discriminated against every day.

Should we just sit around and wallow in our self pity? or give them the finger and get on with it and ignore them for the insignificant retards they are.

Gettitng on with it, is what the British are best at.
If ignoring it was the answer, why is this thread so long? If we were going to ignore Fuhrer Griffin, we wouldn't be seeing him on Question Time, would we?

Saaf_laandon_mo 21-10-2009 13:11
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34894538)
You will never be accepted by the racist element, that's why they're the racist element.

I'm sorry to read about the extreme minority that have acted shamefully towards you and your family.

But they are the minority, the same way Islamic extremists that preach hate and death are the minority and not representative of the majority.

I'm certain that any non-white person in the UK will have been subjected to some form of racial mal-treatment at some time. All we can do is keep trying to eradicate it.

A woe is me approach doesn't achieve anything.
I agree that they are the minority. I don't think that the majority of people in the UK are racist and I also see that there are groups and elements within the UK camapigning against racism.

What I am seeing is that Islam is now an easy target in this country, and it's one that's growing. The other thing I will agree with is yes, we have to accept that the racist element is a minority that doesn't represent the people of Great Britain as a whole, but similarly non muslims should accept that extremists/fundamentalists do not represent Islam as a whole.

Just have a look at any 'anti Islamic' thread on this forum. It only takes someone to post a link to 200 muslims marching to Westminister wanting Sharia Law in the UK, and within seconds the thread deteriotes into "Muslims should leave the UK","we support terrorists", "we hate the army","if they don't like it here they can get out" blah blah blah. If the views of people like Ginge51, Escapee aren't representative of the majority, then surely the same should apply to views of those particular muslims too.

Gary L 21-10-2009 13:17
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34894541)
It hasn't stopped at all, it has just shifted to another race.
It has stopped. the other thing is something else.

Peter_ 21-10-2009 13:20
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34894548)
Hang on. I am talking about the immigrants get all the houses stuff. Not racism..
I know what you are talking about but I am refering to your previous post regards anecdotal evidence and supposition nothing else as this did happen in this country in the 1950's as per this link from the Commission for Racial Equality http://www.journeyfolki.org.uk/Commu...S/Default.aspx

Where it states on the bottom left

Prejudice and overt discrimination are the daily experience of Gypsy and Traveller people. In an era in which it would now be unthinkable for landlords to use the No blacks, no Irish, no dogs signs of the 1950s, No Traveller signs are a frequent occurrence, despite constant challenge by the CRE.

Damien 21-10-2009 13:27
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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34894558)
I know what you are talking about but I am refering to your previous post regards anecdotal evidence and supposition nothing else as this did happen in this country in the 1950's as per this link from the Commission for Racial Equality http://www.journeyfolki.org.uk/Commu...S/Default.aspx

Where it states on the bottom left

Prejudice and overt discrimination are the daily experience of Gypsy and Traveller people. In an era in which it would now be unthinkable for landlords to use the No blacks, no Irish, no dogs signs of the 1950s, No Traveller signs are a frequent occurrence, despite constant challenge by the CRE.
Ok. Still kind of confused because I am not saying that there was not discrimination against ethnic minorities in the past. Just that at the moment there is not a (racist) discrimination against Indigenous Britons which some claim there are.

danielf 21-10-2009 13:28
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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34894558)
I know what you are talking about but I am refering to your previous post regards anecdotal evidence and supposition <snip>
Apparently not. Damien is saying that reports of favourable treatment for immigrants are anecdotal. Not that reports of racism are anecdotal.

Damien 21-10-2009 13:30
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 34894547)
:tu:

Good Stuff. I would link to the report from a more credible source but the report itself (although I haven't read it) seems to be from a credible place.

Flyboy 21-10-2009 13:35
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894555)
It has stopped. the other thing is something else.
I am confused here. Are you trying tell us that racism, bigotry and prejudice has ceased in the United Kingdom?


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