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PhilThomas 22-08-2009 19:42
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Broadbandings (Post 34858985)
Obviously they aren't giving the customer service people computers anymore. Like the old, old telephone exchanges they have collections of wires to link together and switches to flick.
They have upgraded now ....... this is the new Hi Tech kit, with switches :D

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Sir John Luke 22-08-2009 19:43
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hijacking

Ignitionnet 22-08-2009 19:44
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34859031)
Its a simple redirect VM didn't hijack anything. I tested this a couple of months ago and I can see it useful for people that mistype things. Maybe older people or less computer literate people.
That's what it was called before VM did it, it's what it will be called when other ISPs do it.

Is it somewhat emotive? Perhaps, but just because VM are doing it it neither exempts it from this description nor is a cause of it. Nothing personal to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hijacking

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Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 34859053)
Redirected
Hijacked - there is no facility in DNS to redirect. If a domain doesn't exist you should respond with an NXDomain, end of.

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Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34859054)
They aren't hijacking anything. If you type type a URL in wrong you normally would get a failed lookup from the dns servers, instead of this happening, they are forwarding the results on to a search engine on your behalf.
See above and indeed below. Given that I believe you guys both work in IT That neither of you appear to recognise a DNS hijack when you see one is a bit confusing. Might be useful but it's still a hijack of a server higher up the DNS hierarchy's NXDomain response.

Stephen 22-08-2009 19:45
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34859047)
No, the DNS lookup returns 'Not found'. Instead of returning this response unchanged to the the user, it is hijacked by VM and replaced with the IP of their search page.
If its VM's own DNS servers providing the search response its not hijacking! Its a redirect, simples

As I said I was part of the testing for this and its easy enough to opt in or out of.

For some people it will be better than getting the page not found message, as it will give them a list of possible sites they might have meant.

Never worked properly for me all the time, something to do with the setup of my router.

MeGMeG 22-08-2009 19:49
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34859054)
Thing is, there are certain family/friends of mine that would welcome this service on their ISP, mainly as their IT literacy is best described as "limited".
Agreed, but I don't like it...

Ignitionnet 22-08-2009 19:51
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34859060)
If its VM's own DNS servers providing the search response its not hijacking! Its a redirect, simples
Do you know how DNS works?

VM query a server higher up the chain, then change the NXDomain response for their own result, that's hijacking the query and replacing the NXDomain response from a server higher up the DNS hierarchy with their own. Simples.

EDIT: Technically it's no different from you connecting to a website and me intercepting your request and giving you my own responses. I'd call that a hijacked session. If Virgin run web proxies and change things around again that would be considered as hijacking of web sessions. You must understand that Virgin's DNS is not the be all and end all of DNS in the entire world, they are getting information from elsewhere and changing it.

MeGMeG 22-08-2009 19:52
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34859060)
For some people it will be better than getting the page not found message, as it will give them a list of possible sites they might have meant.
Totally agree, but I hate it! I like to see "Server not found".

Sir John Luke 22-08-2009 19:53
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34859060)
For some people it will be better than getting the page not found message, as it will give them a list of possible sites they might have meant.
So why isn't it opt-in? .. and since many will have already set up something similar with a provider of THEIR choice, what right do VM have to override this?

Stephen 22-08-2009 19:54
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34859075)
So why isn't it opt-in? .. and since many will have already set up something similar with a provider of THEIR choice, what right do VM have to override this?
When I was testing it, the service was opt in.

MeGMeG 22-08-2009 20:00
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34859075)
So why isn't it opt-in? .. and since many will have already set up something similar with a provider of THEIR choice, what right do VM have to override this?
Yep... I'm with you on that one too... Unless they were going to reduce my monthly bill and let customers know about it before they did it... I had no emails from Virgin Media telling me about this, no letters, nothing... Rude people they are...

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Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34859054)
BTW, no need to phone up, earlier in the thread this url was posted: https://my.virginmedia.com/advancederrorsearch/settings
Thought there would be such a link, I did not read the whole thread sorry. However I like to vent my frustration or anger through my voice, you get all the emotion and passion that way...

arcamalpha2004 22-08-2009 20:05
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 34859078)
When I was testing it, the service was opt in.
So who was the suckhole who decided to make it opt out ?
No doubt they were given a nice gold plated VM pen for the suggestion.

Sir John Luke 22-08-2009 20:07
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
I doubt that VM ever had the slightest intention of making it 'opt-in' when it went live.

Jon T 22-08-2009 20:17
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeGMeG (Post 34859080)

Thought there would be such a link, I did not read the whole thread sorry. However I like to vent my frustration or anger through my voice, you get all the emotion and passion that way...
No need to apologise, it wasn't meant in a "read the whole *&^%$£ thread" way.:)

to BBings, Yes, technically it's a hijack and I agree. However the word hijack is by default a malicious term. I don't believe that Virgin are doing anything malicious(yet), indeed as i've posted, i think this could help certain groups of people.

Sir John Luke 22-08-2009 20:19
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34859099)
i think this could help certain groups of people.
No doubt, but to labour the point, it should be OPT-IN

Jon T 22-08-2009 20:21
Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34859100)
No doubt, but to labour the point, it should be OPT-IN
agreed


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