Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

it's a very responsible motive, and I applaud those ISP's in question.

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

do you think the isps want to do this?

for the average user what is the point of fast bb if you dont download, the new generation of users have never bought vinyl/tape/cd they see the latest mp3/film as throwaway the rules have changed thats why im a big believer in paying a copyright tax (say £30 a year) then also charge for the quantity downloaded this will keep the isps happy then let everybody get on with it and share what they want.

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

Whats the point of (soon to be) 100Mbps just for browsing and checking email.
What are you supposed to download when you can't download much anymore.

I'm new to the forum btw :)

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

There's lots of legitimate reasons to use high speeds, even P2P reasons..

I think that most people are tarring P2P here with the "It must be illegal" brush, where as it's already been pointed out that P2P apps such as iPlayer which will not be on the BPI's or the goverments targets

So please stop this "we won't be able to download anything scaremongering" as it's only the illegal downloaders that should be effected (hopefully :( )

Kymmy

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

er, they do :)

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

if that happens, you can pay my copyright tax then

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

The way this will be enforced will be exactly the same as it is now. the high profile artists will be the target of this. They will be monitoring the trackers like they do already. You will be much more likely to be done for downloading an amy winehouse or arctic monkeys album than some obscure artist. Technology is always going to outsmart any restrictions they try to impose. The only way they could practically control this would be with DPI but that is a long way from being approved as a standard thing without the users consent.

Impz

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

what is file sharing? is it sharing illegal files with others? and does this include downloading illegal content yourself?

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

File sharing is commonly called P2P (based on the mothod it uses) and it's basically using P2P software to give others access to your files (they might be illegal or they might not be)

Some people will scream and shout that they just use P2P to download, but the nature of MOST P2P software means that anything you are downling is also shared to give more instances for others to download. So if you download a copyrighted MP3 lets say on Emule as you're downloading each completed section becomes available for others to download, hence you end up file sharing a copyrighted file as well as downloading.

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

right i understand now this is the same with torrents aswel isnt it, but what about usenet isnt that something totally different?

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

Usenet is based on propogation. A person uploads a file to a news-server, this file then gets propogated to all news-servers connected to that one news server and so on. A new client (program on a downloaders PC) gets a list of all the files available on a news group and then selects the files to download, so in essence only the original uploader is the file sharer and the news server hosts for some reason aren't held accountable ;)

So for P2P anyone downloading a file is then file sharing that file along with the original sharer, where in usenet only the original uploader is counted as the file sharer. Also as P2P you make a direct connection to the sharer thier IP is visible where in usenet the originators IP is only known by thier usenet provider...Hence the BPI are targetting PSP filesharers as it's simple to get thier IP

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

got it now thanks for ya help:D

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

the usenet server owners will use the same excuse as ISPs / YouTube etc do, there is simply too much data to check and it's not their job to censor the net

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

But it wasn't that long ago NTL blocked access to the main binary groups which had the most commonly wanted illegal material yet when there is a clampdown they open the access again. To me that doesn't make much sense.

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 

true but aren't these new newsgroups ran by different people? it could have been simply overlooked and if anyone complains or whatever the access will be removed again