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Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
Any body got an ark???
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I have noticed that recently muslim terrorists have been labeled 'extremists' whereas a few years back they were fundamentals. |
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If the fundamental tenets of a religion are non-violent - as Christianity is - then it is not, and can never be, fundamentalist behaviour to attack or kill doctors who perform abortions. It is extremist behaviour, but it is not fundamentalist. |
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Can you get a religious extremist who isn't a fundamentalist?:scratch: |
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Fundamentalist: being a supporter of fundamentalism, which is strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles, often used in a religious sense (culled from Dictionary.com). If the basic ideas or principles of the teachings of Jesus Christ are non-violent - and they are - then by definition, someone who commits a violent act is not strictly adhering to those principles. Therefore that person cannot be a fundamentalist follower of Jesus. What they could be, is a fundamentalist follower of a cause or sect that does advocate violence. That, I suspect, is where the source of our disagreement lies. There are many such causes and sects on the fringe of what you might call 'mainstream' Christianity. I suppose it's a case of pick your fundamentalist really. I think the thrust of SLM's point, and certainly mine, is to avoid using the word 'fundamentalist' in any way that implies that the mainstream of either Islam or Christianity demands or applauds the kind of activity we saw at Glasgow airport, or outside abortion clinics. Seeing as the word 'fundamentalist' is open to interpretations depending on whose fundamentals you're examining, we both applaud the recent media trend towards using the word 'extremist' instead. This word conveys the unusual nature of the act committed, but without any implied judgement of the belief system of other people not connected with the act. |
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Good points there Chris :tu:
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And by that token, extremism can only come from religious fundamentalism (which can only come from a religion) |
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Isn't the problem with all religions though (well the mainstream ones) that their teachings can be interpretted pretty much how you want hence the way some use them for justification of the most terrible atrocities. I think it is time that religions stopped continuely beating the "we are peaceful" drum and started to modernise their texts\teachings to fit into the modern world as the more advanced we seem to become in some areas the more misinterpretated religion seems to be becoming.
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The problem with that idea is (as SLM said), that would be an acknowledgement that god (or the religion) was wrong for the last one or two thousand years.....:disturbd:
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Chris,
"Basic" "non-violent" teachings of Christ aside Luke 19:27 states But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay before me. Anyone electing to follow that tenet of fundamentalism (ie. straight from the horse's mouth) could hardly be described as anything but a violent fundamentalist. I appreciate, I think, where you're coming from but I think a deeper analysis of fundamentalism beyond the written word / actions is what is required. Ultimately fundamentalists / extremists almost invariably have religious leanings. Coincidence? |
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Well, it didn't take long did it?
Apparently discussing the opinions of a Bishop is bashing religion, I dunno, I'm still confused by that one, especially as the accusation from the usual suspects rarely turns up in threads regarding Islamic loonies. Religion affects me in a detrimental way every single week. Is that bashing religion or is that stating a fact? |
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Unless you are very well aware of that distinction and are trying to make mischief? Shurley not ... :scratch: |
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Extremism can manifest itself from whatever you believe in strongly enough, be it religion or say, Vogue and other fashion magazines. For example there are some women who fundamentally believe that size 0 is the best thing since slice bread, and resort to the extreme behaviour of puking up their meals to keep to a size zero. |
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The name Graham Dow seems familiar. :scratch:
According to the Grauniad, this is the same Graham Dow who, in a 1991 document entitled Explaining Deliverance, insisted that clear signs of satanic possession include inappropriate laughter, inexplicable knowledge, a false smile, Scottish ancestry, relatives who have been miners and the habitual choice of black for dress or car colour. |
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Also, would an extremist realise that god is supposed to do the slaying personally, rather than use his followers to do his bidding as he has reportedly used them to do so before? |
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