Originally Posted by andyl

I'm in no way excusing the crimes but might have been an idea to get him on a drugs rehabilitation programme. So much crime is drug related and yet drug programme places are as rare as rocking horse dooberry. The stupid thing is you often have to get into the Criminal Justice System to have a chance of being offered treatment (and even then you're lucky). This is why I (and a magistrate friend) believe we should legalise and control the distribution of drugs so that we can remove such a major cause of crime, particularly burglary and theft.

Throwing people away for a long period of time will not only cost us a lot of money but not prove effective in rehabilitation (incidenally, did you know they still have sewing workshops in even the highest category prisons. How on earth is that skill going to be useful to people when they are released?!)

If we blindly seek vengeance for crime but in doing so fail to halt it, we are doing no-one any favours.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

When I was a kid just after the War it was quite common for kids to get a slap if they had done something wrong. The slaps could come from anyone but mainly from relatives and school teachers. The local bobbies were also inclined to give you a warning and a slap if they caught you misbehaving. All these slaps and the odd caning at school didn't turn me into a thug and didn't do me any physical damage, maybe a little mental damage. They taught you right from wrong and that the rights of everyone should be respected. They also taught you that if you did something wrong you were more than likely to be punished.

Todays children also know what's right and wrong but they also know that doing something wrong is unlikely to be punished. They know how far they can push things and many of them do push things to the limit. This attitude is taken into later life and many continue to push everything to the limit. For some it becomes a game where they try to show their superiority by going as far as they can without having to suffer the consequences of their actions. Once they get away with something they try to get away with something that is a bit more of a challenge and before you know it they are hardened criminals.

What punishment can you give kids today to make them see the error of their ways? Many parents don't dole out any punishment because they want an easy life for themselves. Having seen life over a longer period than most on here I would say that I would prefer the remedies that existed in my childhood to the ways that some today are advocating.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

When I was a kid just after the War it was quite common for kids to get a slap if they had done something wrong. The slaps could come from anyone but mainly from relatives and school teachers. The local bobbies were also inclined to give you a warning and a slap if they caught you misbehaving. All these slaps and the odd caning at school didn't turn me into a thug and didn't do me any physical damage, maybe a little mental damage. They taught you right from wrong and that the rights of everyone should be respected. They also taught you that if you did something wrong you were more than likely to be punished.

Originally Posted by andyl

My kids get grounded, sent to their bedroom, no sweets, no swimming whatever. Mind you, thankfully they're a pair of goody two shoes who rarely trouble me (still time mind you).

Originally Posted by ian@huth

When I was a kid just after the War it was quite common for kids to get a slap if they had done something wrong. The slaps could come from anyone but mainly from relatives and school teachers. The local bobbies were also inclined to give you a warning and a slap if they caught you misbehaving. All these slaps and the odd caning at school didn't turn me into a thug and didn't do me any physical damage, maybe a little mental damage. They taught you right from wrong and that the rights of everyone should be respected. They also taught you that if you did something wrong you were more than likely to be punished.

Todays children also know what's right and wrong but they also know that doing something wrong is unlikely to be punished. They know how far they can push things and many of them do push things to the limit. This attitude is taken into later life and many continue to push everything to the limit. For some it becomes a game where they try to show their superiority by going as far as they can without having to suffer the consequences of their actions. Once they get away with something they try to get away with something that is a bit more of a challenge and before you know it they are hardened criminals.

What punishment can you give kids today to make them see the error of their ways? Many parents don't dole out any punishment because they want an easy life for themselves. Having seen life over a longer period than most on here I would say that I would prefer the remedies that existed in my childhood to the ways that some today are advocating.

Originally Posted by andyl

But there is a big difference between a parent administering some mild form of physical punishment and some of the actions advocated ie assaulting someone else's kid.

Originally Posted by andyl

My kids get grounded, sent to their bedroom, no sweets, no swimming whatever. Mind you, thankfully they're a pair of goody two shoes who rarely trouble me (still time mind you).

But there is a big difference between a parent administering some mild form of physical punishment and some of the actions advocated ie assaulting someone else's kid.

Originally Posted by Doofy

All they manage to do was throw labels around, its not his fault he has ADHD, Aspergers,<snip>

Originally Posted by ian@huth

There must be many kids like yours who are perfect little angels at home but behave very differently when you are not about.

Originally Posted by Doofy

My wife is a teacher in a comprehensive school, i have lost count of the number of times she has come home after suffering verbal and physical abuse at the hands of some little scrote. What do the school, the local council and the police do in a word sod all. All they manage to do was throw labels around, its not his fault he has ADHD, Aspergers, oh wait no he hasnt hes got and i love this one SCHOOL PHOBIA. Well thats allright then hes 6foot tall and built like Mike Tyson but hes scared of school so thats why he is a violent little ****. Maybe just maybe he hasn't got anything wrong, the concept that he may be just a violent little *** who does it because he can and does not know what discipline is seems to be an alien concept to theses do gooders. What he needs is a swift kick up the **** and the concept of discipline ramming down him. Would i do it myself to damn right i would where do is sign up.:Yikes: :Yikes: I just want to say that schoolteachers i take my hat off to them they have more patience than i have .

Originally Posted by ian@huth

There must be many kids like yours who are perfect little angels at home but behave very differently when you are not about. As I previously said, they have got everything worked out and know that if someone else complains about their behaviour you will probably say it wasn't them or the situation must have been exaggerated.

I would never hit another persons kids but firmly believe that parents and others in charge of the kids should be able to smack where it is warranted.

Originally Posted by Russ D

As I've said, physical punishment is IMO for the parents only. Woe betide anyone who decides to administer punishment on to my daughter like that. They'll find themselves in court faster than you can say "it's for their own good"