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Indeed, a recall petition is now automatic.

It requires 10% of voters to sign it - for a by-election to be triggered.

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Good

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Runcorn is just up the road from me. It's a solid Labour town so they will just vote in another Labour MP let's hope this one is not a thug as well. Labours not having a good run in the North West at the moment, what with this in Runcorn then the other class acts on WhatsApp in Stockport and the surrounding areas. So is there more to come i wonder :)

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I hope he's not being paid an MP's salary whilst being detained at His Majesty's Pleasure.

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Apparently they do still get paid.

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It's not that easy to get their noses out of the trough

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With any other job, your employer would dismiss you if you went to jail for assault if not before.

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Reminds me of this...

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Now just a suspended sentence.
Link

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Anneliese Dodds resigns over Keir Starmer’s decision to cut aid budget

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cut-aid-budget




Anneliese Dodds resigns over Keir Starmer’s decision to cut aid budget
Exclusive: International development minister warns it will be ‘impossible’ to retain funding in Gaza, Sudan and Ukraine

Anneliese Dodds: soft left intellectual pushed to resign over Starmer’s slide right

Anneliese Dodds, the international development minister, has quit her post over Keir Starmer’s decision to slash the international aid budget by almost half to pay for a generational increase in defence spending.

The senior Labour MP, who attended cabinet, warned that the UK pulling back from development would bolster Russia, which has already been aggressively increasing its presence worldwide, as well as encouraging China’s attempts to rewrite global rules.

She predicted that the prime minister would find it “impossible” to deliver on his commitment to maintain development spending in Gaza, Sudan and Ukraine with the diminished budget.

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Yesterday Starmer said at the White House basically well done to Trump for opening up negotiations for Ukraine and Gaza but while sitting in England he was saying something different. I can't find the quotes but I'm sure Starmer said something different to yesterday :erm: anyone able to help me out. Starmers comments were after Trumps comments about Ukraine being under dictatorship and so on.

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Link to the source that led you to believe he has said something different. We can't chase vague hypotheticals you may have heard and find difficult to articulate.

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How is Starmer congratulating Trump after saying different in England. If it wasn't for Trump saying stuff like dictatorship, no to land being given back, NATO membership there would be no "opportunity" to deliver a peaceful deal! Starmers had bottle in domestic affairs but internationally he's a joke.

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Because he (or his advisers) know how to butter Trump up in order to get him to do what they want. It’s called international diplomacy. It’s why Trump has been offered a second state visit to the UK (this has never happened before - second-term US presidents do usually visit again, and see the monarch, but it is short of an official state visit). Also why he invited him by flourishing a wax-sealed parchment under his nose in the Oval Office. It’s theatre, designed to stroke the ego of a very thin-skinned man-baby and con him into eating his vegetables.

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That's speculation. King Charles probably wants to address things with Trump, global warming is close to King Charles whereas Trump wants to drill like never before.

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So starmer is not adverse to bribery :shocked:

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Diplomacy is all about give and take. :shrug:

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I expect King Charles will be guided by Court and government advisers on what topics to cover in his conversations with President Trump and knows when to agree to disagree or keep quiet. However, I expect Trump may be more free-flowing.

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That's speculation. ;)

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It went a lot better than Zelenskyy’s visit …………..

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Will be interesting to see how Starmer responds to Zelensky in the upcoming visit. Cozy up to him too much and the orange nutjob might get jealous and have second thoughts on the UK tariffs issue. What a minefield :erm:

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Trump doesn't care if we support Ukraine. He has just had Starmer lobby for them in person.

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Trump may well not care but British exceptionalism dictates that Starmer and others believe he does.

The one positive from tonight is the lobby journos in the weekend papers and podcast goons will shelve all the “Starmer did so well” puff pieces that were in motion.

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Welcome back, comrade

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Looks like Ukraine s going to be the theme of Starmer's first term. (Too early to say if he will have a second or even a third term)

The whingers in the Conservative and Reform Parties who clutch at their well-thumbed copies of the Daily Express and remote control for GB News and throw a hissy fit every time a British PM has an affable discussion with an EU counterpart (they label it "betrayal of Brexit"), are thankfully remarkably quiet. Even Farage, not adverse to popping into a Russian Embassy and forgetting why he spent time there, has dialled down on repeating the line that the invasion was the West's fault.

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Giving and receiving of bribes :dozey:

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Strange how Farage's favourite word "sovereignty" seems to be missing from his take on Ukraine and its invasion by Russia.

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It's the wrong kind of sovereignty as Ukranian sovereignty is not in the interests of a country that Farage seemed to be close to ten years ago.

It's the wrong kind of sovereignty in the same way that Reuters and Associated Press are not invited to White House press conferences as they're the wrong kind of free speech.

https://committees.parliament.uk/wri...e/105608/html/
https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/n...ssia-with-love
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...brexit-meeting

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Farage the plastic patriot strikes again...

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More woes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwynxyxl9e1o

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...isabled-people

Potential u-turn on benefit cuts as it seems that when George Osborne thinks it's a bad idea that's the limit for Starmer's 'centre-left' Government.

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yes even the new nasty party have standards, extremely low standards but they are standards.

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Well I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow what their plans are for PIP etc.

I'm totally on the fence with Streeting stating "Mental health conditions are overdiagnosed".

See a GP and say you're feeling a bit down and a bit miserable, or have a bit of anxiety and within minutes you'll probably be prescribed some kind of antidepressant. From there on you're good to go to claim that you have a mental health issue. And from there you could claim on that basis. That's an issue that needs to be dealt with.

But there do need to be a different approach. Sadly to get help or a proper diagnosis isn't so straight forward.

Still, we'll see how things go, but any big changes and Labour will not last long, they've got to be careful with this or else...

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A diagnosis is one thing however demostrating in a PIP assessment that you need support with mobility or daily living activities to the extent you qualify for even the lower rates is far from straightforward.

This is a long and well trodden path for the DWP where replacing incapacity benefit with employment and support allowance, and replacing disability living allowance with personal independence payment, resulted in years of processing appeals where at the peaks DWP decisions were being overturned 80-90% of the time at tribunals.

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We truly are the sick people of Europe, it’s a joke.

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That's true. But we're also set for the highest growth rate of all G7 nations except for the US. Funny old world!

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where did that fantasy come from?

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That was before Labour took over, wasn’t it?

In any event, please show your working out :)

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I know, I found it hard to believe but here it is. It's a forecast so won't have occurred under the previous government.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1742243400

https://www.ft.com/content/a5ef2443-...3-1e28e4f8c5b6

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Link to the source?

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https://www.ft.com/content/a5ef2443-...3-1e28e4f8c5b6

I've also saved you a bit of Googling and dug out the original report for you. See page 6.
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oec...march-2025.pdf

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The predictions didnt do so well in January ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly3mdlk70no

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Yeah, it's hard to see where we're getting any growth from.

Cutting benefits, increasing taxes and not spending anything (other than defence and health to be fair) is hardly a recipe for growth.

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AI is a boom area and is also spurring recruitment in law firms and other professional services firms of people who can apply it in those contexts.
Opportunities in green energy continue.
Closer alignment with the EU single market to cut the cost of exporting there is an opportunity.
And we can potentially take advantage of any increased taxes on spirit exports to the USA from the EU.

Against this, we have the global uncertainty driven by Trump and the April employer's hike in NI.

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AI boom is a misnomer. If it works it’s going to be because it’s cost effective and eliminates jobs in the long run.

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The boom is in the current hires for development and scenario testing. Job losses on any scale haven't really begun.

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I appreciate this is happening on some level, but it won’t even touch the sides of compensating for everything that will be able to be offshored at a fraction of the cost of doing it here. Both in AI and roles that AI replace.

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Looks like we have escaped with 10% tariffs compared to the EU's 20% tariffs. Let's see how it all plays out before celebrating.

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Another Labour MP in trouble, tho its unclear why atm.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

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Rape & child sex offences according to sky news

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Indeed, more details on other sites (below quoted from the Mirror).

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More neighbourhood police, 13,000 by 2029

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...unces-35028279

My local police officer hasn't been visible for some time now. I'm not sure whether he's been drawn back on duties or he's no longer an employee. I do like police visible if in honest. Its reassuring.

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Jess Phillips’ approach to the investigations in to the child grooming gangs is nothing short of diabolical.

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Totally agree with you,a visible presence is very reassuring. Never see anyone near my area. If we did then maybe I wouldn't sit at home jumping at every noise, or scared to go out on an evening because thugs threaten you because you don't hand over your phone to them.

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The majority of the time when police are in numbers those committing crimes get caught which is so satisfying. All the other times it's always a wish somebody was around to deal with it. Calling the police is useless. Sussex police hardly answer to calls for police presence.

There was an act of arson in the area I live in. Somebody tipped a can of petrol over steps, entrance to a building and set it alight. The fire brigade came out but the police were nowhere to be seen. The firefighters said the police won't come out. Sad. It makes me wonder whether that was an attempted murder charge :confused:

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Oooo I can’t believe I missed this. It’s a start obviously but still won’t go far to cover the 20,000 police cuts made by the wonderful previous government.

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Hmm.

Well its better than none I guess.

Technically we still have a local station, but there is no public access to it afaik.

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Is that like around here where it’s a former police building but now just has a police phone box outside (sadly not like Dr Who) that puts you through to a police operator?

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I actually dont know, Ive never looked that closely.

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The police can't be everywhere 24/7, so it's not going to make much difference. Even in busy areas with lots of people around, it's only by chance they might be in the right place at the right time to prevent a crime or catch somebody.

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But did that stop any crime?

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In fairness as the population increases the number of police has not proportionally gone up, this would apply especially in the bigger cities..

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Some northern cities like Liverpool have declined significantly in population size. It's on its way back up though.

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On that, we are in total agreement.

But will she be held to account?

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The police stopped being a “crime prevention” or “deterrence” a long, long time ago.

They are, in the main, just another NGO, accountable to themselves only.

No longer public servants, or to serve the public.

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Perhaps because being caught has little consequence now.

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Not in a million years. I have never liked or trusted Jess Phillips. I acknowledge the need for equality, no problems there but her eagerness for push-back against who she considers “privileged” is extremely destructive towards ordinary decent people who have the misfortune of falling in to the categories she enjoys pushing back against.

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New guidance on what your not allowed to bring into Britain from the EU.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-produ...rules-13350057

Sir Kier will be relieved to know there is no limit on men of fighting age from North Africa and the Middle East..

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Why would he be relieved?

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He keeps bringing them in

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I don't think so, they're quite capable of doing that themselves. But he may have found a way to return people to France, helping deter human traffickers and migrants.
https://www.ft.com/content/f40a6263-...2-25861525b2ab

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You still aiming for that gig on Live at the Apollo?

Because you’ve never been funnier.

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I was planning on starting as your warm-up act in Edinburgh first. ;)

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It’s a shame that France provides life jackets for these illegal immigrants to Britain. What the hell are we paying the French for?

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Yeah far better they die, something else for you to cry about, once they're safely ashore the French ask for the life jackets back, presumably so they can give them to more immigrants

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No, I didn’t mean that, as I’m sure you well know. Instead of giving them life jackets, they should be preventing them from leaving. That’s what we pay the French to do.

Have you grasped that now?

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Well I read it as he did, you worded it very badly. ;)

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As I well knew, how was anyone supposed to extrapolate that from what you posted? If you don't want to be mistaken for one of those thick right wing nut jobs whose favourite saying is push 'em back out to sea then don't post like one, have you grasped that.

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My last sentence made clear what I meant. We are paying the French to stop the crossings. Clearly, they are not doing that, are they?

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No it never as Paul thought the same thing, anyone would've.

Yeah if only we hadn't surrendered our ability to send them back we wouldn't have to pay France anything

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Lifejackets, escort boats, etc.)

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We should be turning the small boats back. This may well cause on international incident, but so long as we are resolute, and we've stuck it to the French cheats (Macron in particular), the migrants will stop coming.

Fat chance of something as sensible as that happening.

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Why the hell do people think we can simply “send the boats back”? The French (or any other country) have no requirement to accept them and could theoretically send them straight back to us.

As previously mentioned, the result of a certain referendum from circa 2016 (which I won’t name in case it triggers anyone) took away our legal right to return these people.

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Being pedantic there is a difference between "send the boats back" and "turning them around".

The first suggest they have arrived, they second suggests they have not yet done so. Therefore they could be "turned around" in the Channel.

I could be wrong but thought I'd throw it in there.

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It would be a start. Really going to start something with this thought. Don't offer them any support what so ever. Hope that is clear :erm: any charity that stepped in, has there status removed. Any council offering help loses any government monies .

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Either way, the same principle applies.

No EU country would be obliged to accept them.

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Ah - there you (nearly) have it. The international incident that would arise if we continually turned the boats round is what's needed to bring this to a head and get it resolved.

It's a matter of national security and we can't be having these fit young men of terrorist age or indented to a gangmaster, invading the UK.

Starmer told us how he'd try to resolve it but now knows his plan is doomed for obvious reasons.


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We know that. But they wouldn't be landing in the UK if we turned them round. Someone would land them. We just have to be hard-nosed and resolute.

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And risk our standing on the international stage by breaking several international laws by refusing them entry (clue: it’s not just about the ECHR)?

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Yes it’s about Starmer, and why he can’t just “turn them around”.

It’s not about having “the guts”, Starmer doesn’t have “the power” - again, removed from us after the result of 2016.

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So the nationalities of criminals will now be released under Labour.

According to Reinhard Jenner reckons the “British people deserves to know the truth about migrant crime”.

Well true but couldn’t his party have released those figures oh, in 14 years? Why didn’t they publish migrant crime?

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Only those facing deportation, not all criminals. Only possible where agreements(eg April 2024 with Albania) allowed deportation in the first place.

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Who is he/she/they them/ that?

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And finally look who's crawled out from under a rock

Starmer says he is 'really pleased' supreme court has given 'much-needed clarity' on definition of 'woman' in equalities law
Keir Starmer has been under pressure for days to comment on the supreme court ruling, particularly from the rightwing papers. Yesterday the Daily Mail even splashed on a story saying he “must break his silence”. His opponents want to embarrass him over the issue because of his past comments supporting more rights for trans people, including one interview when he said it was “not right” to say only women have a cervix.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-updates-news

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He still can't get it quite right.
Link
The Equality Act 2010 defines "woman" is a female of ANY age.
The judgement effectively inserts "biological" before "female", so it becomes biological female of ANY age.
There is also the other side of a "man" being a biological male of any age.
It is meant to include boys and girls.

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Perhaps you should read it again. You are simply not very good at grasping obvious points and you jump to conclusions. Anyway, you get it now, which is all that matters.

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I said:

‘It’s a shame that France provides life jackets for these illegal immigrants to Britain. What the hell are we paying the French for?’

So you read the first sentence and make the worst assumption, without reading the second sentence.

I notice a few of you do this on Cable Forum, quite a lot. I don’t get this elsewhere. :scratch:

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Yes, good point, which is why we need a nominated third country to take them in. That’s what Rwanda would have achieved had it not been for the do-gooders who want to drown us with hordes of humanity flooding our shores and bringing this country down.

How some of you guys can support this I really cannot fathom. Don’t look to Starmer - he has no solutions.

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Who cares if the alternative is to bring Britain to its knees?

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And you’re happy with this? Do you have any answers to this problem, because I haven’t heard them?

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Tell us you don’t get how international diplomacy works without telling us you don’t get how international diplomacy works.

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I’m not a politician. It’s not up to me to come up with answers.

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What is incredible is how he got confused in the first place. Maybe his wife should have explained it to him.

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No different to what you, I or anyone else on this forum does.

In comparison to who/what?