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Hugh 22-01-2025 16:52

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thenry 22-01-2025 16:58

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No grudge like actions then. Interesting. I do wonder if he'll start lecturing those who don't really stand with America. Do this, do that.. how about you focus on America first which he said he would do. Happy days :woot:

ianch99 22-01-2025 17:44

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36189819)
No grudge like actions then. Interesting. I do wonder if he'll start lecturing those who don't really stand with America. Do this, do that.. how about you focus on America first which he said he would do. Happy days :woot:

Why "Happy days"?

thenry 22-01-2025 17:47

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189823)
Why "Happy days"?

"You live your way and I'll live mine my way". None of that 'do as I say not as I do or you'll never see daylight again' attitude!

Who was the mod on here that had KISS in her signature. Keep it simple stupid.

ianch99 22-01-2025 18:05

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36189824)
"You live your way and I'll live mine my way". None of that 'do as I say not as I do or you'll never see daylight again' attitude!

Who was the mod on here that had KISS in her signature. Keep it simple stupid.

Still not clear, you are just writing phrases with no context. Do you mean the US should just let Putin, or whoever, do what he likes?

Maybe KISS meant "Keep it Stupid ... Simple" :)

thenry 22-01-2025 18:10

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189825)
Still not clear, you are just writing phrases with no context. Do you mean the US should just let Putin, or whoever, do what he likes?

Maybe KISS meant "Keep it Stupid ... Simple" :)

They fall on their own sword in the end. Why does America need to police everything?

Na I'm pretty sure that lady swore by keep it simple stupid :angel:

Pierre 22-01-2025 21:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36189792)
Perhaps the ”World”s smartest man*" should have considered that, since he has been vociferous in supporting far-right movements like the AfD, and he was on a stage making a political speech in front of a right-wing audience, elongating his arm diagonally in the air both forcefully and repeatedly, might be misinterpreted?

*according to his supporters

He has Asperger’s and is awkward in the way he tries to communicate. The whole video clearly shows he is touching his heart and pushing it out to the crowd.

You’re attacking a neuro-diverse person for not behaving conditionally in a way that is acceptable to you. You’re not being inclusive and are being borderline bigoted against people with disabilities or at least non-conforming to societal norms……………..

I hope you’re proud of yourself.

Mr K 22-01-2025 21:42

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189848)
He has Asperger’s and is awkward in the way he tries to communicate. The whole video clearly shows he is touching his heart and pushing it out to the crowd.

You’re attacking a neuro-diverse person for not behaving conditionally in a way that is acceptable to you. You’re not being inclusive and are being borderline bigoted against people with disabilities or at least non-conforming to societal norms……………..

I hope you’re proud of yourself.

Are you saying Trump is disabled? He doesn't like those sorts of people, in fact be belittles and makes fun of them. A big man indeed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34930042

Pierre 22-01-2025 21:45

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36189849)
Are you saying Trump is disabled?

No, because we’re talking about Musk………….

Are you disabled? Cognitively speaking?

Russ 22-01-2025 21:50

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189848)
and is awkward in the way he tries to communicate.

Has he ever stated this?

Pierre 22-01-2025 21:54

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36189853)
Has he ever stated this?

No, it’s an observation. Why does he have to state it?

Why would he state it?

People with Asperger’s are, and if you’ve ever watched him talk at length, it’s blindingly obvious by the way he talks.

If he was unable to walk, would he have to state it to you, for you to believe it? Or could you use your eyes?

Russ 22-01-2025 22:08

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189855)
No, it’s an observation. Why does he have to state it?

Why would he state it?

People with Asperger’s are, and if you’ve ever watched him talk at length, it’s blindingly obvious by the way he talks.

If he was unable to walk, would he have to state it to you, for you to believe it? Or could you use your eyes?

You’re making a pretty ignorant and sweeping statement about people with Asperger’s. Some of us have communication issues, some do not.

Some might even think it’s amusing to make a deliberately ambiguous gesture to millions on tv with the sole aim of being dangerously mischievous.

Pierre 22-01-2025 22:30

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36189858)
You’re making a pretty ignorant and sweeping statement about people with Asperger’s. Some of us have communication issues, some do not.

No I’m not, I’ve said it’s an observation based on watching him talk in previous interviews.

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Some might even think it’s amusing to make a deliberately ambiguous gesture to millions on tv with the sole aim of being dangerously mischievous.
you obviously think that. Based on nothing but what you wish to believe.

As I said, anyone that watched the whole video and accepted that this was a man that has Asperger’s and can be awkward projecting and controlling and containing excitement and emotions would reasonably come to another conclusion.

It’s fairly amusing that someone who fiercely defended individuals with ADHD, because he was diagnosed with it, against those that dismissed it as bollocks and an excuse for bad behaviour in children.

Will happily accuse another neuro-diverse individual with a condition as being “deliberately ambiguous”………….very telling, and I thank you for it.

Damien 22-01-2025 23:14

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There is also the ketamine thing with him. He does have odd movements and facial expressions.

There is also this thing about him lying about how good he is at video games. He was on Joe Rogan and some other outlets talking about how he was amongst the best in the world at certain games. Some streamers become suspicious because of the sheer amount of time you need to dedicate to these games to be ranked as high as he claimed and it started to unravel. Seems he paid people to play with his accounts.

pip08456 23-01-2025 02:17

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36189853)
Has he ever stated this?

Yes.

https://www.axios.com/2022/04/15/elo...rgers-syndrome

Russ 23-01-2025 07:16

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189865)
No I’m not, I’ve said it’s an observation based on watching him talk in previous interviews.



you obviously think that. Based on nothing but what you wish to believe.

As I said, anyone that watched the whole video and accepted that this was a man that has Asperger’s and can be awkward projecting and controlling and containing excitement and emotions would reasonably come to another conclusion.

It’s fairly amusing that someone who fiercely defended individuals with ADHD, because he was diagnosed with it, against those that dismissed it as bollocks and an excuse for bad behaviour in children.

Will happily accuse another neuro-diverse individual with a condition as being “deliberately ambiguous”………….very telling, and I thank you for it.


You’re welcome.

We’re doing exactly the same thing: judging him on our perceptions of him.

Hugh 25-01-2025 12:06

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...eral-agencies/

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The White House late Friday fired the independent inspectors general of at least 12 major federal agencies in a purge that could clear the way for President Donald Trump to install loyalists in the crucial role of identifying fraud, waste and abuse in the government.

The inspectors general were notified by emails from the White House personnel director that they had been terminated immediately, according to people familiar with the actions, who like others in this report spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private messages.

The dismissals appeared to violate federal law, which requires Congress to receive 30 days’ notice of any intent to fire a Senate-confirmed inspector general…

… Most of those dismissed were Trump appointees from his first term, which stunned the watchdog community. One prominent inspector general survived the purge — Michael Horowitz at the Justice Department, an appointee of President Barack Obama who has issued reports critical of both the Biden administration and Trump’s first administration...

… Among those apparently spared Friday was Joseph V. Cuffari Jr., the embattled inspector general at the Department of Homeland Security. A Trump appointee, Cuffari was found in October by an independent panel of watchdogs to have misled the Senate during his nomination process and committed other misconduct during his five years in office.

Damien 25-01-2025 17:17

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I am much more worried about this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2686079.html

I thought the Greenland stuff was just Trump putting on a show but he seems pretty determined to get it.

OLD BOY 25-01-2025 20:13

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189999)
I am much more worried about this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2686079.html

I thought the Greenland stuff was just Trump putting on a show but he seems pretty determined to get it.

It will end with a compromise that will ensure that the US can put its military bases there. He would call that a negotiation. You would perhaps call it intimidation, but it works.

Hopefully, though if Canada and Greenland become the 52nd and 53rd States of the US, we’ll be the 54th! At least we will then be on side…

Mr K 25-01-2025 20:22

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36190017)
Hopefully, though if Canada and Greenland become the 52nd and 53rd States of the US, we’ll be the 54th! At least we will then be on side…

Yeah, but we wanted our sovereignty and not to be ruled by other countries (remember? :confused:)
Maybe Greenland, unreasonably, wants the same.

OLD BOY 25-01-2025 20:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36190020)
Yeah, but we wanted our sovereignty and not to be ruled by other countries (remember? :confused:)
Maybe Greenland, unreasonably, wants the same.

Well, not the bureaucratic EU, anyway!

spiderplant 25-01-2025 20:34

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36190021)
Well, not the bureaucratic EU, anyway!

Have you ever been to the US? :shocked:

Hugh 25-01-2025 20:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36190017)
It will end with a compromise that will ensure that the US can put its military bases there. He would call that a negotiation. You would perhaps call it intimidation, but it works.

Hopefully, though if Canada and Greenland become the 52nd and 53rd States of the US, we’ll be the 54th! At least we will then be on side…

It already has a military base there...

Damien 25-01-2025 21:13

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36190017)
It will end with a compromise that will ensure that the US can put its military bases there. He would call that a negotiation. You would perhaps call it intimidation, but it works.

They already can, just like they put them here. Denmark (and the UK) are pretty good allies to the US. Denmark is part of NATO anyway.

1andrew1 27-01-2025 18:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36190025)
It already has a military base there...

:D:D:D

Pierre 27-01-2025 18:27

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What strength looks like.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tation-flights

Damien 27-01-2025 18:56

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Wasn't sure where to put this but it impacts Trump's Presidency so it's as good a place as any: https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...ut-2025-01-27/

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Investors made a quick exit from a host of technology stocks from Tokyo to New York on Monday as the emergence of a low-cost Chinese artificial intelligence model challenged the dominance of current AI leaders such as Nvidia (NVDA.O), opens new tab.

Raising questions about the level of investment needed for AI, startup DeepSeek launched a free AI assistant last week that it says uses less data at a fraction of the cost of incumbent services.
I think this is a much bigger story than covered so far. America thought they had a big lead in AI simply because of the power and cost involved in training models and they limited China's supply to American chipsets to capitalise on it.

China just dropped a model trained at 1/10th of the cost is matches or exceeds OpenAI's o1 model, their most advanced, in nearly all benchmarks.

It's tanked American AI stock prices and upends the entire market. It raises a lot of questions on what these American AI companies have been doing with the money when it clearly could have been done a lot more efficiently.

Chris 27-01-2025 20:53

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190137)
Wasn't sure where to put this but it impacts Trump's Presidency so it's as good a place as any: https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...ut-2025-01-27/



I think this is a much bigger story than covered so far. America thought they had a big lead in AI simply because of the power and cost involved in training models and they limited China's supply to American chipsets to capitalise on it.

China just dropped a model trained at 1/10th of the cost is matches or exceeds OpenAI's o1 model, their most advanced, in nearly all benchmarks.

It's tanked American AI stock prices and upends the entire market. It raises a lot of questions on what these American AI companies have been doing with the money when it clearly could have been done a lot more efficiently.

Necessity is the mother of invention, as they say.

Even so, I’d be very wary of how I engaged with anything living on a Chinese server and dedicated to learning from its interactions with me.

Paul 27-01-2025 21:00

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Most "AI" is not really AI (so Im told by people who know far more about it than me).
Its just a good human language interpreter that can look up information based on what you ask.

Damien 27-01-2025 22:11

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It's a very fancy autocomplete. It doesn't look anything in that sense. It takes the input and statistically works out the most likely token based on the tokens beforehand IIRC.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36190144)
Necessity is the mother of invention, as they say.

Even so, I’d be very wary of how I engaged with anything living on a Chinese server and dedicated to learning from its interactions with me.

I give very little to AI in that sense. Plus I always say please or thank you in case the robots rise up and remember how we treated them.

1andrew1 27-01-2025 22:13

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190152)
Plus I always say please or thank you in case the robots rise up and remember how we treated them.

:D:D:D

Pierre 28-01-2025 06:24

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36190146)
Most "AI" is not really AI (so Im told by people who know far more about it than me).
Its just a good human language interpreter that can look up information based on what you ask.

Yes, Large Language Models, they’re glorified search engines.

mrmistoffelees 28-01-2025 07:32

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190161)
Yes, Large Language Models, they’re glorified search engines.

Well you’re partially right, but since certain LLM appear to be able to replicate themselves (although not as yet peer reviewed) I wouldn’t be quite so dismissive just yet

https://www.livescience.com/technolo...erts-terrified

thenry 28-01-2025 14:13

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Selena Gomez has deleted a video where she breaks down over Donald Trump's immigration crackdown after receiving backlash.

https://news.sky.com/story/selena-go...icies-13298152
Give them all your money :angel:

ianch99 28-01-2025 14:34

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Welcome to MAGA America:

Trump administration fires DOJ officials who worked on criminal investigations of the president

Trump's Treasury nominee just said "extending" Trump's tax handouts for billionaires is their TOP priority: "This is the single most important economic issue of the day."

Trump fires first woman to head a U.S. military service

California Citrus Mutual: “We’re in the middle of our citrus harvesting ... Yesterday about 25% of the workforce, today 75% didn’t show up.”

papa smurf 28-01-2025 15:12

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How long have you lived there?

ianch99 28-01-2025 15:59

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How long have you lived there?

Decades ...

Hugh 29-01-2025 18:03

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Two days ago…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ederal-grants/

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White House pauses all federal grants, sparking confusion

Trillions of dollars could be on hold, according to an Office of Management and Budget memo.

The White House budget office is ordering a pause to all grants and loans disbursed by the federal government, according to an internal memo sent to agencies Monday, creating significant confusion across Washington.

In a two-page document, Matthew J. Vaeth, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, instructs federal agencies to “temporarily pause all activities related to obligations or disbursement of all Federal financial assistance.” The memo, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, also calls for each agency to perform a “comprehensive analysis” to ensure its grant and loan programs are consistent with President Donald Trump’s executive orders, which aimed to ban federal diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives, and limit clean energy spending, among other measures.

The memo, which goes into effect Tuesday, states its orders should not be “construed” to affect Social Security or Medicare recipients, and also says the federal financial assistance put on hold “does not include assistance provided directly to individuals.”
Today

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1738173598

Itshim 29-01-2025 20:26

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What a surprise ( for a politician) doing what he said he would :shocked:

ianch99 29-01-2025 21:05

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36190300)
What a surprise ( for a politician) doing what he said he would :shocked:

Not quite true: I don't recall "I'm going to enrich the billionaires even more than before at the expense of the middle & workings classes" or "I'm going to trash the agriculture sector", guess I must have missed these policy announcements ...

papa smurf 29-01-2025 21:20

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36190304)
Not quite true: I don't recall "I'm going to enrich the billionaires even more than before at the expense of the middle & workings classes" or "I'm going to trash the agriculture sector", guess I must have missed these policy announcements ...

That must be why he likes Starmer

1andrew1 29-01-2025 22:51

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36190307)
That must be why he likes Starmer

To be a fly on the wall when Trump and Starmer meet!

RichardCoulter 30-01-2025 02:48

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Meta to pay $25m for suspending Trumps social media accounts after the Capitol riots. Trump regarded this as censorship:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79d74nppvpo

Itshim 30-01-2025 11:49

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36190304)
Not quite true: I don't recall "I'm going to enrich the billionaires even more than before at the expense of the middle & workings classes" or "I'm going to trash the agriculture sector", guess I must have missed these policy announcements ...

I don't either, he doing what he said however . Stamier did not say he was putting an accounts complaint clerk in charge the economy , but he has

1andrew1 30-01-2025 12:15

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I don't either, he doing what he said however . Stamier did not say he was putting an accounts complaint clerk in charge the economy , but he has

What's poor Rachel got to do with this?

thenry 30-01-2025 16:34

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Trump on the attack. FAA push for diversity is being knocked back. People with disabilities and mental health don't have a place in the position of aviation control. He said something about the previous transport head being bullshit. Sorry I don't remember I can't stop laughing :LOL:

Hugh 30-01-2025 16:51

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Another fact-free statement from Trump…

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-ne...ttee-34584857#

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The Trump White House stated, "Safety and competence should be the only job criteria for FAA employees, yet the Biden Administration violated the public trust-as well as the law-by prioritising illegal DEI hiring."

It went on to allege that Biden "specifically recruited and hired individuals with 'severe intellectual' disabilities, psychiatric issues and complete paralysis over other individuals who sought to work for the FAA."

The White House announced just over a week ago, on January 22 via its website, that President Trump "ended DEI madness and restored excellence and safety within the FAA."
Only 14k out of the 45k FAA employees are Air Traffic Controllers - why shouldn’t people with disabilities do the other jobs, or paraplegics or ex-military with a missing arm be Air Traffic Controllers?

Stephen 30-01-2025 17:02

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Wow him and his team really are a disgusting bunch. Spout allsprts of embarrassing nonsense.

thenry 30-01-2025 17:18

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190350)
Trump on the attack. FAA push for diversity is being knocked back. People with disabilities and mental health don't have a place in the position of aviation control. He said something about the previous transport head being bullshit. Sorry I don't remember I can't stop laughing :LOL:

Here's a link

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...i-plane-crash/

And the main takeaway..

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President Trump claims he knows diversity hires had to do with the DC crash ‘because I have common sense’

https://nypost.com/video/president-t...-common-sense/

Stephen 30-01-2025 19:14

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190359)
Here's a link

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...i-plane-crash/

And the main takeaway..

Trump has common sense :confused: that's certainly another false statement from humpty.

Hugh 30-01-2025 20:05

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Pierre 30-01-2025 20:29

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That’s not what he says, and if you’re reduced to using a one minute TikTok video on Reddit, you’ve lost the point before you’ve made it.


Try harder.

Hugh 31-01-2025 08:39

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190377)
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Originally Posted by ianch99 View Post
Welcome to MAGA America:

Trump's Treasury nominee just said "extending" Trump's tax handouts for billionaires is their TOP priority: "This is the single most important economic issue of the day."
That’s not what he says, and if you’re reduced to using a one minute TikTok video on Reddit, you’ve lost the point before you’ve made it.


Try harder.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ty-2025-01-16/

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Jan 16 (Reuters) - Scott Bessent, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's choice to head the Treasury Department, on Thursday said that extending Trump's 2017 tax cuts that are set to expire at the end of this year is "the single most important economic issue of the day."

"If we do not renew and extend, then we will be facing an economic calamity," Bessent told the U.S. Senate Finance Committee. "We will see a gigantic middle class tax increase."
https://donnellonlaw.com/blog/which-...trump-tax-cut/

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Which Tax Bracket Benefited Most from the Trump Tax Cut?

Justin Fox wrote in February 2021 for Bloomberg about recent data he obtained concerning the year 2018 in federal taxes.

This data refers specifically to the Alternative Minimum Tax, and changes that the Trump administration made to the Alternative Minimum Tax. These tax cuts were included in the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

These cuts were advertised as gifts to the middle class. Who gained from these cuts, and by how much?

Two particular tax brackets gained the most from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. The slivers of the population whose adjusted gross income was between $200,000 and $1,000,000 gained the most from their 2018 federal taxes.

Another data set from the I.R.S. splits taxpayers into percentiles. To be specific, it slices U.S. taxpayers into 100 groups. The percentile group that benefited the most? The 98th. In 2018, the 98th percentile referred to households that had an adjusted gross income between $359,000 and $540,000.

According to Jim Tankersley of the New York Times, that 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will be difficult for the Biden administration to roll back.

That Act was estimated to cost the U.S. government coffers nearly $2 trillion over ten years.

Pierre 31-01-2025 09:27

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was between $200,000 and $1,000,000 gained the most from their 2018 federal taxes.
Billionaires?

papa smurf 31-01-2025 09:56

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190403)
Billionaires?

Maybe it's a mere rounding up error :shocked:

1andrew1 31-01-2025 10:55

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190403)
Billionaires?

The term 'billionaire' describes someone's assets not their income.

thenry 31-01-2025 15:21

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“This is a tragedy that occurred above DCA airport. Lives have been lost. Families have been devastated. People are suffering, and the leader of this country decides to go out and pedal lies, conspiracy theories, and attack people of color and women without any basis whatsoever,” said House of Representatives Minority Leader Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., in a video posted on X. “Have you no decency? Have you no respect for families whose lives have been turned upside down?”

https://thegrio.com/2025/01/30/black...icopter-crash/
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Congressional Black Caucus chairwoman Rep. Yvette D. Clarke, D-N.Y., wrote on X, “While families grieve and our nation mourns the 67 victims of last night’s heartbreaking crash, Donald Trump and his cronies are already abusing this tragedy to further their racist, repugnant agenda.”

In a separate statement on behalf of the CBC, Clarke said, “Not only are the President’s claims untrue, they also speak to the Republican Party’s desire to divide us as a country.” The congresswoman said diversity policies “work to benefit all Americans who have traditionally been kept out of opportunities, including white women, veterans, and aging Americans.”

She continued, “Not just the Black and minority communities that Trump and Republicans want to scapegoat and villainize for political gain.” Clarke declared, “We are not going back!”

https://thegrio.com/2025/01/30/black...icopter-crash/
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U.S. Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla., a member of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, said in a statement to theGrio, “While human bodies are still being pulled from the Potomac, Donald Trump is blaming white women and minorities for the deadly crash under the guise of DEI.”

“We should all expect our President to lead us with sympathy and compassion during a monumental tragedy such as a fatal airline crash that claimed 67 lives,” the congresswoman continued. “Instead, he is lambasting armed services personnel, pilots and air traffic controllers for a crash that is unprecedented and is still under investigation. The response from the White House lacks leadership; it’s abysmal and sickening.”

https://thegrio.com/2025/01/30/black...icopter-crash/
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Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., similarly called Trump’s remarks “disgusting, racist and sexist.” She added, “Their reckless actions have consequences and they should be held accountable.”

https://thegrio.com/2025/01/30/black...icopter-crash/
It's beyond me how these people live out in the real world. Outside their bubble is a world which is very unforgiving.

Damien 31-01-2025 15:25

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We don't know the reasons for the crash yet if it was even the fault of air traffic control or, if it was, how those people were hired.

Let's all calm down rather than use the death of dozens of people to score political points or wind people up.

Hugh 31-01-2025 15:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190403)
Billionaires?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36190406)
Maybe it's a mere rounding up error :shocked:

Billionaires…

https://www.theguardian.com/business...aires-pay-less

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They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a rate of 24.2%…

… Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400 richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had fallen to 40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative victory – proved a tipping point.

Thanks to the controversial tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of US earners…

… The calculations of Saez and Zucman, who have previously worked with the French economist Thomas Piketty, take into account not just federal income taxes but also state, local and corporate taxes.
https://www.propublica.org/article/s...utiful-tax-cut

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The Trump administration championed the pass-through provision as tax relief for “small businesses.”

Confidential tax records, however, reveal that Johnson’s last-minute maneuver benefited two families more than almost any others in the country — both worth billions and both among the senator’s biggest donors.

The Inside Story of How We Reported the Secret IRS Files
Dick and Liz Uihlein of packaging giant Uline, along with roofing magnate Diane Hendricks, together had contributed around $20 million to groups backing Johnson’s 2016 reelection campaign.

The expanded tax break Johnson muscled through netted them $215 million in deductions in 2018 alone, drastically reducing the income they owed taxes on. At that rate, the cut could deliver more than half a billion in tax savings for Hendricks and the Uihleins over its eight-year life.

But the tax break did more than just give a lucrative, and legal, perk to Johnson’s donors. In the first year after Trump signed the legislation, just 82 ultrawealthy households collectively walked away with more than $1 billion in total savings, an analysis of confidential tax records shows. Republican and Democratic tycoons alike saw their tax bills chopped by tens of millions, among them: media magnate and former Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg; the Bechtel family, owners of the engineering firm that bears their name; and the heirs of the late Houston pipeline billionaire Dan Duncan.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1738337519

Stephen 31-01-2025 16:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190425)
It's beyond me how these people live out in the real world. Outside their bubble is a world which is very unforgiving.

They have a point though.
Donnie should have made a simple statement expressing his and the nations condolences to the families of those lost and trying to bring the nation together after a horrible and tragic accident.

Instead choosing to divide and sling political nonsense around. It really isn't very presidential to utter quite what he did. Deciding what happened is up to the NTSB and no one else. Let them investigate and then report their findings. At present there is no blame as we do not know what happened.

thenry 31-01-2025 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36190429)
They have a point though.
Ronnie should have made a simple statement expressing his and the nations condolences to the families of those lost and trying to bring the nation together after a horrible and tragic accident.

Instead choosing to divide and sling political nonsense around. It really isn't very presidential to utter quite what he did. Deciding what happened is up to the NTSB and no one else. Let them investigate and then report their findings. At present there is no blame as we do not know what happened.

Na they're woke unicorns. The guy at the top gave his honest take on things. I'd much rather that than someone that bites their tongue. Those sort of people shouldn't hold any power in this world.

Hugh 31-01-2025 17:58

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
What is a "woke unicorn"?

thenry 31-01-2025 18:14

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36190434)
What is a "woke unicorn"?

I don't know I just said it. Woke would be somebody that gets offended by anything and unicorn, someone from the rainbow mob that is gender confused but is really a third wheel. Zesty individuals. Bunch of myths.

Stephen 31-01-2025 18:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190435)
I don't know I just said it. Woke would be somebody that gets offended by anything and unicorn, someone from the rainbow mob that is gender confused but is really a third wheel. Zesty individuals. Bunch of myths.

So using woke to describe someone rather than using it to something or person is too woke.

Seems like the word has literally lost any and all meaning. As by its definition is to be aware of social and political injustice. Not the negative uses many have tried to make it.

So it's a meaningless word.

papa smurf 31-01-2025 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36190436)
So using woke to describe someone rather than using it to something or person is too woke.

Seems like the word has literally lost any and all meaning. As by its definition is to be aware of social and political injustice. Not the negative uses many have tried to make it.

So it's a meaningless word.

That sounds a bit woke:erm:

1andrew1 31-01-2025 22:27

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Given the Mexican-US-Canadian supply chains in sectors like cars, and US oil imports from Canada, this looks pretty reckless.

Quote:

Canada, Mexico and China face tariffs on Saturday, White House says

US President Donald Trump will impose tariffs on Saturday of 25% on Mexico, 25% on Canada and 10% on China on 1 February, says the White House.

But Trump said on Friday that Canadian oil would be hit with lower tariffs of 10%, which could take effect later, on 18 February.

China, Canada and Mexico are the top US trading partners, accounting for 40% of the goods imported into the US last year, and fears are rising that the new steep levies could kick off a major trade war as well as push up prices in the US.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Friday: "It's not what we want, but if he moves forward, we will also act."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg0m79gm10o

Paul 01-02-2025 03:31

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190430)
Na they're woke unicorns. The guy at the top gave his honest take on things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36190434)
What is a "woke unicorn"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36190435)
I don't know I just said it.

So meaninless then.

The "guy at the top" as you call him didnt give an honest take, I doubt he even knows what "honest" means.
He simply did what he always does - opened his mouth and spouted out a bit of nonsense to grab the headlines.

No one knows the actual cause (yet), but its rare that any crash is caused by ATCs.

The best part was his assertion afterwards that he has "common sense". :rofl:

Chris 01-02-2025 09:18

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump is a narcissist who believes that his train of thought is inherently interesting. He has no statecraft of any kind. It’s hardly surprising that if all he has been thinking about for the past few days is DEI that it would come squirting out of his mouth like so much verbal diarrhoea.

Kursk 01-02-2025 09:33

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36190461)
Trump is a narcissist who believes that his train of thought is inherently interesting. He has no statecraft of any kind. It’s hardly surprising that if all he has been thinking about for the past few days is DEI that it would come squirting out of his mouth like so much verbal diarrhoea.

From the gifted wordsmith that you are Chris, I think this is just plain rude.

Chris 01-02-2025 20:56

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Thank you, I’m here all week.

Hugh 01-02-2025 22:25

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https://wapo.st/3EmllAH

Quote:

Billionaire Elon Musk’s deputies have gained access to a sensitive Treasury Department system responsible for trillions of dollars in U.S. government payments after the administration ousted a top career official at the department, according to three people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe government deliberations.

On Friday, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent approved access to the Treasury’s payments system for a team led by Tom Krause, a Silicon Valley executive working in concert with Musk’s “Department of Government Efficiency,” the people said.

David A. Lebryk, who served in nonpolitical roles at Treasury for several decades and had been the acting secretary before Bessent’s confirmation, had refused to turn over access to Musk’s surrogates, people familiar with the situation told The Washington Post. Trump officials placed Lebryk on administrative leave, and then he announced his retirement Friday in an email to colleagues.

Spokespeople for Treasury and DOGE declined to comment.

The sensitive systems, run by the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, control the flow of more than $6 trillion annually. Tens of millions of people across the country rely on the systems. They are responsible for paying Social Security and Medicare benefits, salaries for federal personnel, payments to government contractors and grant recipients, and tax refunds, among tens of thousands of other functions.

Typically, only a small group of career employees control the payment systems, and former officials have said it is extremely unusual for anyone connected to political appointees to access them.

Musk has sought to exert sweeping control over the inner workings of the U.S. government, installing longtime surrogates at several agencies, including the Office of Personnel Management, which essentially handles federal human resources, and the General Services Administration, which manages real estate. DOGE is now housed in a White House office formerly known as the U.S. Digital Service but now called the U.S. DOGE Service and has broad visibility into technology across the government.

The New York Times was first to report that Musk’s deputies had gained control of the systems.

Damien 02-02-2025 08:24

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Tariffs were announced on Mexico and Canada who've responded in kind. The stock market might have quite the hit on Monday as most 'analysts' said Trump wouldn't actually do it.

Mr K 02-02-2025 09:46

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36190508)
Tariffs were announced on Mexico and Canada who've responded in kind. The stock market might have quite the hit on Monday as most 'analysts' said Trump wouldn't actually do it.

Wonder how the masses will react when prices shoot up, and their investments plummet? Tough luck, its a choice they made.

1andrew1 02-02-2025 10:04

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Larger US car manufacturers are very dependent on parts from Canada and Mexico (and vice versa).They and consumers will feel this extra tax soon as supply chains can't be changed overnight.

Hugh 02-02-2025 11:09

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190511)
Larger US car manufacturers are very dependent on parts from Canada and Mexico (and vice versa).They and consumers will feel this extra tax soon as supply chains can't be changed overnight.

Good article on this (and other impacts) in today’s Washington Post

https://wapo.st/4aICBfu

Quote:

More than half of goods classified as automotive vehicles, parts and engines come from Canada and Mexico. Canada was also the main exporter of industrial supplies to the United States, including building supplies, oil and metal materials used to manufacture other products.

Cars are often made between the United States and its closest neighbors, and parts go back and forth across the border during the manufacturing process.

“There’s no such thing as an American-made car. We have an integrated North American supply chain,” Brusuelas said.

About $173 billion worth of automotive vehicles, parts and engines came from Mexico alone last year.

The proposed tariffs will make it more attractive to manufacture and assemble cars in the United States, said Erik Gordon, a clinical assistant professor of entrepreneurial studies at University of Michigan. He expects car companies might have to readjust their strategy, perhaps making versions of cars with fewer bells and whistles to keep costs under control.

Many other industries also rely on parts and materials made internationally, even if the final product is made in the United States — for example, the country imported $93 billion worth of crude oil from Canada last year.

“There are very few things you could pull apart and say it’s made 100 percent in the U.S.A.,” said KPMG chief economist Diane Swonk.

1andrew1 02-02-2025 14:42

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Interesting analysis in the FT comments section from JRibeiro which is derived from Michael Pettis, Trade Wars Are Class Wars

Quote:

The US has significant a public deficit and an equally relevant trade deficit (the two usually go together). As a consequence, public debt is reaching worrying levels. In fact, the biggest risk to the world economy, some years down the line, is another GFC due to a collapse in confidence in US Treasuries and in the US Dollar.

The usual way to solve the deficits would be to increase taxes domestically. This would directly reduce the public deficit, and would also reduce the trade deficit, via reduced consumption.

But this approach is not politically feasible in the US, and the best example of that is the Biden Administration - they left a 6% public deficit when the economy was booming.

The Trump Administration is instead applying tariffs. It’s a form of consumption tax, the US consumers will pay some of that, but foreign producers will share the burden as well, if nothing else, through reduced quantities sold.

The countries that have been running trade surpluses with the US should be taking a constructive approach to the problem - the US deficits are not a problem just for the US, they are a significant risk for the stability of the world economy. This is the attitude that the EU is taking right now.

However, the aggressive approach taken by the US, and the size of the tariffs applied is worrying and may create excessive dislocation in the world economy.
https://www.ft.com/content/5a262286-...f-5dd26c1fb1e3

Hugh 02-02-2025 18:10

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1738519781

https://www.usaid.gov/about-us/organization

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1738519925

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...b2690812.html#

Quote:

The Trump administration has placed two top security chiefs at the U.S. Agency for International Development on leave after they refused to turn over classified material in restricted areas to Elon Musk's government-inspection teams, a current and a former U.S. official told The Associated Press on Sunday.

Members of Musk's Department of Government Efficiency, known as DOGE, eventually did gain access Saturday to the aid agency's classified information, which includes intelligence reports, the former official said.

Musk's DOGE crew lacked high-enough security clearance to access that information, so the two USAID security officials — John Vorhees and deputy Brian McGill — were legally obligated to deny access.

Stephen 02-02-2025 18:19

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Dismantling the US piece by piece.

The forgein aid agency set up by the US Government by JFK and accounts for about 50% of foreign aid and assistance and whose motto is 'from the American people' has essentially been shut down by Trump and his goons.

Says it all really.

Paul 02-02-2025 20:17

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I thought his motto was supposed to be Make America Great Again, not Make America A Laughing Stock.

The way hes going he'll end up joining that select list of ex presidents : Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley & Kennedy. :erm:

1andrew1 02-02-2025 20:42

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Putin and Jinping must be loving this!

Dude111 03-02-2025 03:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul
I thought his motto was supposed to be Make America Great Again, not Make America A Laughing Stock.

The way hes going he'll end up joining that select list of ex presidents : Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley & Kennedy. :erm:

Do ya think he will make it 4 years this time??

Itshim 03-02-2025 17:39

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
On hold now for Mexico

Hugh 04-02-2025 09:15

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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If anyone knew that the White House would announce, then suspend, tariffs within one day, they would have made a killing…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1738660382

1andrew1 04-02-2025 10:00

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Interestingly, Mexico and Canada just re-announce initiatives from last year and all is well. Was this to distract from Musk seizing the home of US soft power, USAid? Or was there another reason behind it? Or a bit of both?

Either way, I don't think this has improved the US's standing internationally, though I doubt that's one of Trump's KPIs. China will doubtless fill any gaps left by the US.

Hugh 04-02-2025 16:09

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What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-mus...ayment-system/

Quote:

A 25-year-old engineer named Marko Elez, who previously worked for two Elon Musk companies, has direct access to Treasury Department systems responsible for nearly all payments made by the US government, three sources tell WIRED.

Two of those sources say that Elez’s privileges include the ability not just to read but to write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the US government: The Payment Automation Manager (PAM) and Secure Payment System (SPS) at the Bureau of the Fiscal Service (BFS). Housed on a top-secret mainframe, these systems control, on a granular level, government payments that in their totality amount to more than a fifth of the US economy.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...ents-code-base

Quote:

I’m told that Elez and possibly other DOGE operatives received full admin-level access on Friday, January 31st. The claim of “read only” access was either false from the start or later fell through. The DOGE team, which appears to be mainly or only Elez for the purposes of this project, has already made extensive changes to the code base for the payment system. They have not locked out the existing programmer/engineering staff but have rather leaned on them for assistance, which the staff appear to have painedly provided hoping to prevent as much damage as possible — “damage” in the sense not of preventing the intended changes but avoiding crashes or a system-wide breakdown caused by rapidly pushing new code into production with a limited knowledge of the system and its dependencies across the federal government.

Phrases like “freaking out” are, not surprisingly, used to describe the reaction of the engineers who were responsible for maintaining the code base until a week ago. The changes that have been made all seem to relate to creating new paths to block payments and possibly leave less visibility into what has been blocked. I want to emphasize that the described changes are not being tested in a dev environment (i.e., a not-live environment) but have already been pushed into production. This is code that appears to be mainly the work of Elez, who was first introduced to the system probably roughly a week ago and certainly not before the second Trump inauguration. The most recent information I have is that no payments have as yet been blocked and that the incumbent engineering team was able to convince Elez to push the code live to impact only a subset of the universe of payments the system controls.
Promoting changes to a Production/Live Environment that controls payments to the value of a fifth of the US economy, without undertaking Unit Testing, Integration Testing, System Testing, Performance Testing, and Acceptance Testing in Dev and Test Environments is, in the words of Yes Minister, "courageous"… :shocked:

This could be the beginning of a rapid unscheduled disassembly of US government services.

Pierre 04-02-2025 19:11

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
This is what strength looks like.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02.../trump-tariffs

Chris 04-02-2025 19:21

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190643)

That’s what smoke and mirrors looks like.

Much of what Mexico and Canada have supposedly conceded was already under discussion; some of it had already been agreed with Biden; all of it could have been worked out via the usual diplomatic means.

Trump has burned a whole lot of diplomatic goodwill in order to toss some red meat to the MAGA fools who think he’s the messiah.

1andrew1 04-02-2025 19:30

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190643)

See post #984. This is what reannouncements look like.:D

Pierre 04-02-2025 20:12

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36190645)
That’s what smoke and mirrors looks like.

Much of what Mexico and Canada have supposedly conceded was already under discussion; some of it had already been agreed with Biden; all of it could have been worked out via the usual diplomatic means.

Trump has burned a whole lot of diplomatic goodwill in order to toss some red meat to the MAGA fools who think he’s the messiah.

Of course, if you think Mexico would’ve sent 10,000 troops to the border, at this time, if Harris was in power……….

That’s just delusional.

---------- Post added at 20:12 ---------- Previous post was at 20:11 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190647)
See post #984. This is what reannouncements look like.:D

Link to the announcements please.

Chris 04-02-2025 20:16

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190651)
Of course, if you think Mexico would’ve sent 10,000 troops to the border, at this time, if Harris was in power………..

What Harris would have done is immaterial - what Biden had already discussed and agreed with both parties is the point. Trump has made a lot of noise and threats in order to get Mexico and Canada to agree to do stuff they had already agreed to do.

Trump isn’t strong, he is as thick as two short planks and is being blown along by whichever ideologue has his ear on any particular day of the week.

Pierre 04-02-2025 20:17

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Would you have seen this headline in the first couple of weeks under a Harris administration ?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta...key-countries/

1andrew1 04-02-2025 20:28

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190654)
Would you have seen this headline in the first couple of weeks under a Harris administration ?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta...key-countries/

It was published under a Biden-Harris administration

The article was published 25 October 2024.

Trump took office three months later on 20 January 2025.

Pierre 04-02-2025 20:30

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36190653)
what Biden had already discussed and agreed with both parties is the point.

Well Biden (or his proxy,whoever that was) discussed lots of things….like the deal in 2022

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...ns-2022-07-12/

After which illegal crossings increased dramatically.

The “point” is Trump is ensuring action.

Stephen 04-02-2025 20:35

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190654)
Would you have seen this headline in the first couple of weeks under a Harris administration ?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta...key-countries/

Sorry but that article is from 2024. Biden was still president.

Trump is weak, he has no negotiations skills nor can get work out good deals. He just has dummy spitting toy throwing tactics.

Most of what Canada and Mexico 'agreed' to do had already previously been agreed to.

Pierre 04-02-2025 20:42

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36190657)
It was published under a Biden-Harris administration

The article was published 25 October 2024.

Trump took office three months later on 20 January 2025.

Ha, ha, well I look like a dick, that’ll teach me.

I read an article saying 90 something per cent of deportees already had unenforced removal orders and conflated the two

https://9gag.com/gag/aByZ9P2

Saw the 98% headline and copied and pasted without checking.

Hugh 04-02-2025 20:59

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Fairly even-handed WP article on the negotiations

https://wapo.st/4aJ1pUw

Quote:

The particulars of the Canada deal are thus, as relayed by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump, who quoted Trudeau’s version of events on social media:
Canada will implement a $1.3 billion border plan that includes helicopters, technology, personnel and “enhanced coordination with our American partners.”

Trudeau also said 10,000 personnel “are and will be working on protecting the border.”

It will launch a “joint strike force” with the United States to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering.

It will appoint a fentanyl czar.

It will list drug cartels as terrorist organizations.

It will spend $200 million on a new “intelligence directive” on fentanyl and organized crime.

It will “ensure 24/7 eyes on the border.”

The first thing to note is that the first two aren’t really new. Canada had already announced the $1.3 billion border plan in December. Part of that plan was proposing the joint strike force.

Canada also said in December that it already had 8,500 personnel on the border. (Which appears to be why Trudeau said these people “are and will be” on the border — the vast majority are already there.)

It’s clear that both moves were done with potential future tariffs in mind; Trump has been threatening them, and Canada has been fearing them for many months. But these things were clearly already on the table when Trump made his specific threat.

That means the actually new things that came after Trump’s threat, apparently, are the fentanyl czar, labeling cartels terrorists, the $200 million and 24/7 eyes on the border.

Most of these are geared toward fentanyl. But it’s worth emphasizing that the flow of fentanyl from Canada is a tiny percentage of the drug that’s seized at U.S. borders — about 0.2 percent. Border authorities seized about 43 pounds in 2024, compared with more than 21,000 pounds from the Mexican border. And data shows that the vast majority of fentanyl seized from Canada — about 80 percent — was brought by U.S. citizens.

Paul 04-02-2025 22:25

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump did his usual, "look at me, Im a big bully do as I say" (or else).

As a result, the stock market took a hit, and his business "friends" no doubt pointed out what a disaster this could turn into (and I expect he realised he's likely losing money as well) so he used a get out of jail free card by agreeing to what was largely already agreed, so he could "postpone" them, and still look good.

Everyone already knows what a complete pratt he is, but somehow he's still managed to look an even bigger fool to the world.

He'll end up upsetting the wrong (powerful) people, ones with the means to remove him.

denphone 05-02-2025 05:07

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36190673)
Trump did his usual, "look at me, Im a big bully do as I say" (or else).

As a result, the stock market took a hit, and his business "friends" no doubt pointed out what a disaster this could turn into (and I expect he realised he's likely losing money as well) so he used a get out of jail free card by agreeing to what was largely already agreed, so he could "postpone" them, and still look good.

Everyone already knows what a complete pratt he is, but somehow he's still managed to look an even bigger fool to the world.

He'll end up upsetting the wrong (powerful) people, ones with the means to remove him.

Very much my sentiments as day by day since his second presidency started he has made himself look even more of a clown then he already is.

Paul 05-02-2025 05:21

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Now he wants to "take over" Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt

1andrew1 05-02-2025 07:55

Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36190686)
Now he wants to "take over" Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt

Sounds like more attention seeking.


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