Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It been a loss making company since it started in 2015.

In 2015 to 2020 Hochanda loss £19,452,460 .

Then Hochanda appoint an administrator in 2020 then Craft Store TV was sold to Hochanda Global and Hochanda Global took over C&C in 2022 but has been making a loss of £16,312,553 since 2020.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I know. It started off with Hochanda selling small relatively cheap products from a large number of suppliers. Obviously not making enough money from low priced items they later switched to selling much more expensive items from a smaller number of suppliers. The trouble with that is that crafters don't necessarily want to fork out large sums of money for a hobby. A poor business model perhaps? Not really a similar situation to the other broadcasters which Old Boy is expecting to fail in the coming months...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The channel is showing right now a scaner and their want over £566 for it. But you can pay over four months.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It’s financials that will determine how long the smaller channels are able to survive. I would imagine that Tiny Pop is able still to make a profit at present. What I’m saying is that as income from advertisements diminishes over time, they will have to close. They won’t continue to run at a loss.

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I find this incredible, I really do! I get it that some people disagree with me, but expecting me to explain over and again exactly what I mean and why I think that puzzles me. Never mind.

I think we are saying the same thing about EE - their viewers are being shunted over to Sky Stream.

As far as customers voting with their feet because some minor features are no longer available is concerned, I would simply ask if you know any other company that offers these features? You know as well as I do what the answer to that is.

I am not ‘preaching’ to anyone. Are you preaching to me when you argue that everything will continue as now because that’s just what (some) people want? Of course not. We are simply exchanging views, aren’t we?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Although that isn't what I said. You seem to spend a lot of time discussing your opinions with people who have disagreed with you and don't seem to get a chance to discuss your thoughts with people who agree. Maybe there's a reason for that.. hmm!

A massive oversimplification. Maybe they are minor features to you but to other people they may be the reason why they are still customers. Take the features away and perhaps they won't be. It isn't just that though, Virgin has been deliberately withholding apps from the V6 for a long time now. Customers have made alternative arrangement and now find themselves using the V6 less and other devices more. Take away the only features that are keeping those customers happy and don't be surprised when the become ex-customers.

I've seen a lot of posts recently where you suggest that people will just have to go with the flow and accept the changes. I've seen responses from people explaining to you why they won't do this and giving you their reasons. You still seem to continue with the suck it up mantra, at this point it crosses the line from discussion and enters the territory of preaching. Whether you see it that way or not.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

There's a reason for that. Those that agree with me are intimidated into silence due to the incessant trolling and baiting they have witnesed around these debates. I am happy to debate with anyone, but I'm done debating with trolls. I spend a lot less time coming to this forum for that reason.

Notvat all. There is no complication here.Your point is a pedantic one, because whether you view the features to be minor or major, the conclusion is the same. If the V6 gets withdrawn, some may leave Virgin it's true, but no other provider offers these TiCVo features. That was the point.

You've completely missed the point. If the current offer is withdrawn, there is nowhere to go for a similar system.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Debating isn’t repeating the same thing for years on end with no taking on board of responses and hoping everyone else falls into line with a World view.

Things in life rarely turn out the way you want or expect, it’s pretty much always a mix of both sides (if there are two, sometimes there are quite a few), including the personally unpalatable.

Some people keep quiet simply because they know it will set someone off and it’s not worth it, it doesn’t mean you are in the majority because you are a vocal lone voice.

Personally I feel the World is full of decent people and it would be a much better place if everyone just accepted that no one person thinks the way everyone else does on every topic and most things you will differ on (in some way, not necessarily entirely), and that you should treat others as you would like to be treated yourself and try to be kind. If you can’t say something productive, new (to you) or it’s going to make someone kick off, then it’s better (mostly) to not respond.

My postings would be much more numerous if I simply responded immediately or responded to everything. Instead I accept the difference of opinion and or eye-roll silently and move on.

Also, it’s the Internet, you don’t know any of us, even the people in your life you are around all the time there will be things you don’t know. You can never really know everything about someone, even if you live with them your entire life, the brain is an individual’s own private domain.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes, I get that, but the criticism is constantly about the clear conclusions I have reached based on what appears obvious to me. The only reason I keep repeating myself is because I keep getting responses (repeated responses) which appear to miss the point completely. None of the usual suspects are prepared even to consider that what I say might be true, but no-one, absolutely no-one has come up with a serious reason why that should not happen.

I acknowledge that my assessment of the future may not be 100% correct, obviously. I have pointed out before that I’m not Nostradamus! But surely nobody can disregard the growing acceptance of streaming at the expense of linear TV. I am just stating the obvious (ie that linear channels are losing advertising revenue and new originals to streamers, which will ultimately have consequences).

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

People just want to watch tv reliably. Streaming has so many things that can go wrong, which means no, or buffering tv. . Ok as an additional on demand content. Live terrestial tv and hard drive recordings are far more reliable. Can't see that changing in our lifetime's OB. I suspect we'll see people on Mars first, and they'll use hard drive recordings for tv entertainment and won't be relying on streaming dodgy interweb from mother Earth.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Utter nonsense. You of all people are just as incessant. :dozey:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I get that you believe that, it's just at odds with what I am seeing. No point in debating how you feel about the opinions of others though. Someone not agreeing with you doesn't really fit the definition of trolling. Maybe you just have a problem with dealing with the fact that not everyone will agree with your way of thinking.

Again. you are ignoring the opinions of others and viewing your opinion as the only correct opinion. It isn't "correct", it's just an opinion and no more valid that what everyone else thinks about the value of specific features. So, as things stand, these customers will probably realise they can get "lowest common denominator" services elsewhere and will simply leave because Virgin no longer provides what they want.

You are somewhat correct about no other provider stepping forward to provide missing features. The barriers to entry in the content distribution market are massive. Normally, basic supply and demand would mean another provider would step in to supply a product with the features demanded by the consumers. In this instance, perhaps not.

The actual point though, which you have deliberately ignored, is that by starving the V6 of apps, Virgin has already forced users to go elsewhere for their streaming content. If Virgin goes on to remove the only features keeping these customers, they will leave. I get that you don't see this as important, I'm afraid others will.

Again you are pretty much repeating what you have already said so my reply to your previous point also applies here.

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I agree with everything you said in that post but this part especially. It does seem that, with Old Boy, it is "my way or the highway".

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

That's my attitude completely. If the unique V6 features are removed there is no point in me paying for TV via Virgin. I can get a bog standard TV service elsewhere for free (or even consider the free TV with broadband deal) and dip in and out of cheap Now TV deals or even largely give up TV and use other forms of entertainment.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

This is what has already been seen with enforced conversions to TV360. There are customers who simply don't like it and have either persisted in getting their service converted back to V6 or have just given up and left.

My sister has the TV360, I've used it there quite a bit and really do not like it. Looking at the way they use it, it is more like how I use Roku than how I use the V6. If the V6 is withdrawn and I lose the V6 features, there will be no point in continuing to pay Virgin for TV services. I won't need to duplicate what I can already get with the Roku.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

if youve only used it at your sisters surely you'll admit you're not used to the software yet so can't make a judgment on it?

its absolutely fine and does exactly the same as the v6 in my eyes but this time its quicker and has more apps.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

You mean I take the trouble to respond again and again to people who seem to have taken from my posts things I was not even saying, or getting the wrong end of the stick? Guilty as charged.

I just have to add a link to support something I say and the usual suspects fall on me like a ton of bricks. This is not normal behaviour.

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Oh, I get that people will have different views on this, and I completely accept that. But have you not seen previous posts in response to mine on this subject? The people who accuse me of being absolutely adamant that my 2035 ‘prediction’ is correct are just as adamant that their view that IPTV will not happen soon and conventional channels will not disappear is correct. My ‘prediction’ is not a guaranteed outcome, of course I know that - I am simply giving my view. I am happy to accept the views of others will differ from mine, but the attitude that what I am saying could never happen is a failure to accept that things can change.

I am not ignoring the opinions of others, and I have been diligent in addressing their points of view in my responses.

What you are saying here about people who may leave Virgin if viewers only have a choice of the V6 in the future is correct. The point I’m making is simply that if Virgin so decide, there is nowhere else to go to keep those features that some are saying they can’t do without.
Agreed.

I agree with all that, except your last sentence. I simply said that the features the V6 has that the 360 has not are minor features. I get it that some people think they are important to them.


No, epsilon, I am just giving my point of view. Nothing anyone has said changes my basic presumption that the V6 will not be around for that much longer and that everything will be broadcast on demand or by live stream via IPTV by 2035 unless the government intervenes.

I could not fail to notice that some contributors vehemently disagree, and that’s fine. But if they misunderstand or misrepresent what I’ve said, I will respond.

I hope that clears things up.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Oh, I've had more than enough time with it to know it is not for me.

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As I said, with you it's either "my way of the highway".

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

So because you don't use them, they are described as 'minor features'.

I wouldn't call not having an EPG for and the ability to record radio 'minor'.

Just as Sky introduce this, Virgin decide to scrap theirs.

You never did answer my question as to which V6 features are effectively available on the 360. I shall assume that you spoke before looking into it properly and found that you were talking nonsense.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Significant reasons include simply that the telecommunications infrastructure isn’t close to being resilient enough and on a consistent and near universal basis, and it won’t be for a quite some time if those delivering the content persist on using the capacity so inefficiently, and continue to make technical choices that fail to change this. If they keep with the current approach even those in the better areas will suffer a subpar experience and there will be far too many who just won’t get a service at all and could be 2nd class citizens as there isn’t the will to do what it takes to maintain a service to them, new tech or old, because the companies are looking at this in too simplified, an unhuman, a way. I don’t want anyone being left out of society because some companies decided the data/numbers don’t work. We could end up with a sizeable minority effectively cut off with some of the strategies some organisations are adopting.

Linear TV delivered using the internet is streamed. The future will be live content and on-demand, mostly the latter. Though I think virtually everyone agrees on this these days. Sorry for being so pedantic, that’s just me.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Dear Internet,

Please post this in every thread on every discussion board or at least as a sticky at the top of each board.

In fact I am tempted to ask if it is an AI response, and if not maybe AI could learn something from Cheeky.

Terrific stuff.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

You may have noticed that I sidestep his attempts to steer the discussion to the 2035 fantasy. Replying just gives him further opportunities to go back into repeat mode.

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I think Virgin should take his minor streaming feature away and force him to watch linear broadcast content. ;)
Seriously though, this is why I say he is preaching. This is his gospel. He has a vision for the futures and what anyone else wants doesn't matter to him, he'll just keep on trying to persuade everyone that there is only one way forward. His way!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

All I’m saying is it’s my opinion and nothing anyone has said on here changes my mind because they’ve not come up with anything that convinces me otherwise. My opinion is for me to express for all the reasons I have given over the years and doesn’t actually affect anyone else.

But I would ask you to consider the fact that although your opinion is one I don’t agree with, and unlike many other naysayers on here, I am happy to accept that. So whose highway is it?

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No, Richard.

I accept that the features that are missing from the 360 compared with the V6 appear to be important to some, but they are, in fact, minor features. Why does anyone want to ‘manage’ their series links, for example? If I want to delete a series link on my 360, for example, I simply delete it. I don’t see the problem. And if you delete a recording by mistake, which surely is a relatively rare event, just bookmark it instead.

The biggest difference which is truly detrimental is the absence of a recording facility for radio stations, although I don’t think many people would want to do that (I accept that you do).

I rarely used any of these functions when I had the V6/and I have never missed them. As for not answering your question, Inreferred you to earlier debates on this. The main features I like, and which I actually do use on a regular basis, are voice controls, personalised profiles, the startover feature and the additional streamers such as Apple TV+ and Paramount+. I also like the more straight forward, modern and uncluttered UI. I don’t get the regular buffering problems that I used to get with the V6 software (I am still using the 360 software on my V6 box, by the way.

Another thing - I can select favourite channels by profile, so I can list my favourite channels on my EPG to reflect dramas, film channels and documentary channels, whereas my wife on her profile can have her fav channels, which might be reality and film channels only.

You can use the ‘skip’ button to skip the introduction to a programme or to skip the recap that you get on many programmes now. A prompt pops up towards the end of a programme that you can click on to automatically jump to the next programme in a series. Towards the end of a recorded programme, a prompt comes up to remind you to delete it if you don’t want to see it again. Just click on it to delete it.

These are all really useful additional features that more than compensate for the TiVo ones that you would lose.

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I only repeat things if people keep asking the same questions or make inaccurate references to my posts. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

totally agree with you oldboy! i feel exactly the same as you in regards to the pros of virgin 360

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Dad, if you want tech support just ask…

:D Kidding. Thanks.

I am not the thing the Terminator movies were warning about, though they seem imminent and arriving by making everyone unemployed and therefore rendering us extinct via joblessness and laziness all in the search for magical “free” art, answer questions, voice controls and a general unwillingness to make an effort and pay folk for services.

And don’t forget the ridiculous energy needs of these computer processing centres, the environment of the planet is going to pot not just through overuse of the available natural resources but because of the ridiculous energy demands of people that want to make a bizarre artwork based on a simple instruction or doesn’t want to do their school homework.

So, I’m not HAL. Just someone that’s trying to make the World a little better, that’s partially why the regulars on here haven’t seen me around in a while. It’s more fulfilling and productive, and I’m enjoying it a lot. Better get back to it…

Thanks though. Appreciated. :)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

That sounds a bit like that old 'not enough electricity to power too many people using streamers' argument, which is patently untrue (the electricity grid is constantly being powered up to keep up with demand). I don't think you are taking account either of the increasing pressure to use the bandwidth currently used for broadcasts to be utilised for mobile signals. We already know that Sky is moving its satellite customers over to IPTV, and existing satellite transponder contracts expire in 2030. Although Sky may still decide to extend these contracts up to another five years, this appears unlikely, but I certainly don't discount it.

In the future, I believe that the main entertainment, film and documentary channels people watch now will be on demand, live broadcasts such as sport will be live streamed and the only other live streamed channels will be the FAST channels once the broadcast signal becomes unavailable.

Having said that, I recognise that you think otherwise, so we shall see.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Are you sure this is happening?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Ok, in your opinion, some V6 features are minor. Here's the thing.. your opinion doesn't matter, it won't have any impact on individuals deciding to ditch Virgin if the V6 is withdrawn and the features are no longer available. They won't come to you for a consultation, they won't ask how their departure ties in with your 2035 fantasy. What you think simply isn't relevant.

I'm not sure there are any actual questions being asked. You just feel the need to inject your opinion into the discussion when it is neither here nor there and won't have any impact on what these people decide to do.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Due to using only recording( and them pixelating) to watch,have started to use" see other "on recordings which I guess is a stream, starting to get use to it, clearly for me some channels are better than others to use, but I am starting to see the appeal

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I don’t recall ever having read the electricity reason in relation to streaming services, not from the “getting enough” standpoint anyway, from a “cost of delivery” angle I’ve read it occasionally, because the more simultaneous streams needed the higher the cost. The streams are inefficient for live content, but obviously necessary for on-demand non-live content.

I have taken account of the mobile industry’s desire/need for their services to take current TV transmission bandwidth, that’s why I think “5G Broadcast” makes sense for the live (particularly PSB) services that remain when the rest inevitably shut down. It would mean everyone with a device (be that TV, tablet or phone) would utilise the same emission in the mast coverage range, which is much more efficient than a large number of streams for delivery to each individual.

That the UK broadcasters seem to be going down the standard tech route of delivering a large number of streams for live content, rather than the 5G Broadcast route many other countries are planning for, seems daft to me.

OB you seem to think we differ on how the end point will look in the general scheme of things, but we don’t, I just think it’s further down the line and will need to be done differently in order to be achieved, and to be achieved for everyone. That’s why I wrote this at the end of the post you quoted, maybe I wrote so much you didn’t notice.
—> “The future will be live content and on-demand, mostly the latter.”

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Absolutely, my opinions don’t matter at the end of the day, and neither do yours.

I think you just don’t like opinions that are different from your own. OK….

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It’s just a comment Chris made some years back. I’ve not read that anywhere else.

I think you are right there, cheeky, but I see no sign at present of our broadcasters going down that route. If they do so decide, it will be a relief for some.


I know, and I’m conscious of that comment. But I think when Sky go over wholly to IPTV, the rest will soon follow. Sky is promoting Sky Stream quite heavily now and it appears that the Sky Q box will be phased out in the near future.

Both the BBC and ITV promote their streamers all the time and want people to watch their programmes on them as much as possible. That’s why they make their regular channels appear as a less attractive alternative option than their players. For example, both allow their TV series to be loaded with all episodes available straight away, whereas on scheduled TV you have to plod through week by week. ITVX now even lets you watch its originals months before they screen on their channels.

I think there’s a reason for that - they want to shut down their channels sooner rather than later.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Its not, at least not directly.

What they are doing is making it more difficult to get Sky Q now, and also adding more IPTV stuff to it.

They are not moving people as such, but encouraging them to choose streaming.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

https://www.cable.co.uk/blogs/is-sky...-out-20231116/

[EXTRACT]

So, is Sky Q being phased out or not?

Yes. Yes it is. But it's going to be gradual, with Sky likely not fully switching off it's satellite TV service before 2026.

It’s not only me saying this - the Telegraph and other newspapers say the same - Sky Q is being phased out. As for the switch-off, I don’t believe it will be 2026. My best guess is 2030, when existing satellite transponder contracts end.

In the meantime, Sky will be promoting its Sky Stream alternative very heavily to encourage existing Q customers to switch.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

2026 is nonsense, Sky just extended its Astra deal until 2029, so clearly its not ending in 2026.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Not at all. I haven't been expressing an opinion as such. Just expressing disapproval at the possible further degradation of services and stating that it would be significant enough for me to cancel the TV service offered by Virgin. More a cause and effect than an opinion. You don't seem to get that it is irrelevant if you don't agree. It won't stop me leaving.

Let's look at this from another angle. Someone recently told me that they only shop at Morrisons because they go there to buy Carte Noire coffee. Recently, Morrisons stopped stocking Carte Noire and, as they also find the prices there to be slightly higher than elsewhere overall, they told me won't be shopping at Morrisons any more.

If I had offered an opinion and said, say, "oh L'Or offers everything I want from a coffee", that it would have changed their mind and made them decide to continue to shop at Morrisons? Albeit without the Carte Noire and with the larger shopping bill? It is pointless to offer irrelevant opinions and state your own preferences when someone has already decided on a course of action.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Absolutely.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Weird that I managed to delete part of that before posting, let's try again.

If I had offered an opinion and said, say, "oh L'Or offers everything I want from a coffee", would that have changed their mind and made them decide to continue to shop at Morrisons?

I think it originally was something like "I doubt that it would have changed their mind"

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Overnight changes.
On channel 251 Mythbusters has replaced Fear Factor.
On channel 252 Tipping Point has replaced Wipeout Xtra.
Hell's Kitchen & Egg Heads have changed back to pre-launch configurations.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Mythbusters ?
As in the TV show ?

It has a whole channel ?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It has a whole channel on Pluto TV (also available on demand), Ratuken and Amazon Prime/FreeVee

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Ahh that explains why the V6 put a programme into my planned recordings from Mythbusters

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yep, ditto for all of the other channels in that post.

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Well, almost. The EPG had been populated with actual programme details. The V6 seemingly took this as a prompt to add some of these shows as suggestions. Not that it is actually possible and recordings of the red button landing slate could be considered to be a waste of hard drive space. :D
Since the EPG has been repopulated with generic descriptions, the suggestions problem has gone away.

---------- Post added at 04:45 ---------- Previous post was at 03:53 ----------

Overnight changes:
Eden HD / +1 become the latest channel to take on U& branding and are now available to all TV customers following changes to subscription pack codes.
SDT flags updated for newly added FAST channels
That's Memories rebrands as That's Christmas.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

have we heard anything more about this potential virgin 360 update or did nothing come of that?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Hochanda Global in Crisis:

I have seen reports on DS Forum that Create & Craft has been SOLD by Hochanda Global's administrators to TJC.

That's not true.

FACT: Hochanda Global's administrators has still to be Appoint by Courts and that takes 10 working days to do and Hochanda Global only fill the paperwork in on October 4th so an administrator won't be Appoint until October 18th or October 21st.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

A couple of recent changes:
Stream is now known as Flex and comes with a £5 monthly charge for new customers (no change for existing Stream customers).

Flex is now the standard basic TV offering, as the Big Bundle has been withdrawn from sale so new customers who want a 360 box now need to take at least the Bigger Bundle.

What's not clear is how renewing Big Bundle customers will be affected.

No official press release online yet.

https://www.choose.co.uk/news/2024/v...ex-tv-service/

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Just to avoid any confusion, the T&Cs state "Your Flex device, also known as a Stream box.." and then go on to refer to it as Stream. Happy days!

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There's little point in searching for news on this until an announcement is made. Any information will be on a "need to know" basis and any staff aware of the facts will have been told not to discuss it. Sad times for the staff too as, even if they are doing whatever they can to keep the business afloat, they won't necessarily get to keep their jobs...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin website for still has bigger bundle with TV 360 available from £39.99 (350MB) with a phoneline it's £44.99

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

London Live, the capital-focused TV station profits plunged by 75% because of the loss of an unnamed key customer. Pre-tax profits fell to £746,000 in the year to end of September 2023.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...endent-lebedev

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Maybe if London Live put on some decent programmes from the current century to fill the gaps between the local news bulletins, they would increase their audience.

I confess that I have not bothered to view this channel recently, but I don’t think it’s changed much over the last couple of years.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

RUMOUR: Vaibhav Global owners of TJC and Ideal World is said to be set to take over Create & Craft.

https://forum.crafttelly.com/showthr...800#post401800

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Can't wait :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

l will set my alarm for that date MB.;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Update

Sky has just removed Create & Craft channels from the Sky EPG.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

My blood pressure is rocketing :shocked:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Get the knitting needles out and march on Sky HQ, now. They'll be sorry....

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

BBC1

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

???????????

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Sorry, wrong place, my sight seems to be getting even worse (now partially sighted).

People moving away from Virgin achieve the biggest savings according to this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/312158...ave-money/amp/

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Does anyone know when version 5.13 virgin tv 360 came out?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Don't know the answer, could it be anything to do with the date (can't remember what it was) that i'd heard that there was to be a major update?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Not sure what was hinted at. Nothing has changed on my box i'm just new to the 360 and wondering how often updates occur etc

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I'm sure 5.13 downloaded a couple of weeks ago...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I tend to get updates early on in the cycle. I have had version 5.13 running on my 360 boxes for over three weeks.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

My Stream box got the update a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Updates are released by areas so can span a month or more.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Based on previous updates it looks like they occur every 3-6 months. Last one was May so the rumours about a November one are probably based on that so probably not nailed on...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

360 software updates seem much more frequent than that. At a guess, I would say about every eight weeks or so. On this basis, I would expect 5.14 to land sometime in November.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

5.11 was in June. 5.12 started at the end of July. 5.13 was mid-September.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Gone back to have a look. Apparently, the 360 is to have a 'major update' on 29 October. If it's done in stages, I suppose they should have said from 29 October as everyone won't get it on the dame day.

This was said by CS, so of course could easily be BS!

My interest was to see if any of the missing features from the V6 had been added because, as it is, I don't want to change to the 360.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Create & Craft has gone into administration

Confirmed on social media platforms

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Creative accounting needed

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

hahah lovely stuff.

do we ever get told in advance what any updates will bring or only then it starts rolling out?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Only after role out.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Overnight changes:
The first batch of UKTV services to adopt U& branding (Dave, Drama, W & Yesterday) have had the HD suffix restored.
Asian Mela channels are now on promotion and available to all Virgin TV customers.
Asian Mela promotions are generally for the Diwali celebrations and last for around 2 weeks.
Rebrands: 2 movie channels with promotional rebrands.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin have now stopped showing the pre recorded material and are now showing a static slate that says 'Create & Craft- THE HOME OF Jewellery making'.

Looks like this channel will be being removed.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

That slate is also being shown on Freeview and Freesat.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

i wonder what the viewing figures are for these channels... are they in the 200 section on the EPG? never ran into them

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I wonder if Virgin will be adding this Sky pop up film channel?

https://www.gbnews.com/tech/sky-tv-f...nel-november-1

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It's just another Sky Cinema rebrand, this time of Sky Cinema Drama
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/What-s-...4/td-p/4796954

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Thanks, so it will be on Virgin EPG 410.

Let's hope that non Sky Cinema subscribers have access to it though like Sky and Now TV are.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Expect Sky didn't say that
https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/artic...-anxious-pets-

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

So those reports were wrong then and it looks like it's just another bog standard Sky Cinema rebrand for those with a Now
Cinema pass.

I can't see it being available to non Sky Cinema subscribers on Virgin if they are charging their own Now customers for it.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

As your source was gb news it doesn't surprise me that it's inaccurate. I wouldn't trust them to tell the time of day.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Look at the list of films in the link and then look ahead in the EPG for VM channel 410. They match up. So they ARE available for VM customers.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Overnight changes:
11 Kids channels were restored to the Kids pack, ending a free to view period.
Also multiple spurious SI data changes appeared. This seems to be a recurring problem with Virgin TV SI data & should be reversed eventually. The changes aren't significant and shouldn't have any impact on customers.

Further Info:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Another overnight change:-
My toenails have grown a bit longer...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

At a cost though.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

No different to Sky and Now TV customers.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin Media has removed Create & Craft from Virgin Channel 748.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Excellent! Do keep us all informed of the progress..

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Indeed it has and the spurious data added overnight has been rolled back to what it was before. Spooky!
There are a few comments on UKCTVC's X feed and their blog has been updated:
https://x.com/UKCTVC
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com/

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Exactly, that was the whole point of the conversation :erm:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I wonder if Virgin will get the new Great! Mystery linear channel alongside satellite and Freeview?

I hope so, but doubt it as Tiny Pop was never returned to cable.

Great! Mystery now has an Ofcom licence. Looks like it was only added this morning.

https://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/r...at!mystery.htm

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Overnight changes:
SDT flags updated for Create and Craft after yesterday's removal of the remnants of the PMT and elementary streams (video / audio etc).
New Service added with a pre-launch configuration - That's TV 2 - provisionally assigned channel 151.
Further Info:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

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Well, there is nothing to add yet as it only exists as a FAST channel on various manufacturer based EPGs at the moment.
Virgin TV seem to be catching up with the new "FTA" type of channels by provisionally adding That's TV 2 in the background. Archive TV shows usually shown with the wrong aspect ratio - oh joy!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

is there no way to watch fast channels without having to wait for it to load....its annoying. its slow. not the future i thought it'd be!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Good, just need RewindTV at some stage now.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Rumour on X says it coming January 2025.

Can't get it confirmed.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Gosh, we are getting desperate! Once upon a time we used to complain about repeats. Now linear TV has been degraded to the extent that we are joyous when another channel full of them is launched!

I recall with fondness when we were getting channels with new stuff on them, like Sky 2, Sky 3, Disney and the rest, but I really cannot work up any enthusiasm to accept these low quality channels that give us nothing new.

Still, as long as it makes some people happy, then bully for them.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I love the classic tv channels. used to love watching 1980s neighbours and eastenders on Gold. We just need a tv channel broadcasting bbc1,2,itv,channel 4 from a specific day in the 1990s each day will be better than the current tosh

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

A lot of what they show isn't repeated on mainstream channels. Programmes such as World In Action, covering current affairs that are no longer, erm.. "current" are somewhat niche.

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Overnight changes:

alibi HD, GOLD HD, alibi +1 & GOLD +1 become the latest channels to take on U& branding as U&Alibi HD, U&GOLD HD, U&Alibi+1 & U&GOLD+1

Also, further changes to the pre-launch configuration of That's TV 2 with subscription pack codes allocated and several other minor changes.
1 music channel seasonal rebrand as NOW 90s & 00s becomes NOW Xmas.

Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com
https://x.com/UKCTVC

As UKCTVC point out on their X feed, the capitalisation of the new service names doesn't quite match that of the official brands, so there may be more changes to come.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

As you say, each to their own. I've got the top VM pack, Netflix, Paramount, Disney, ITVX, Prime and Apple in the house and I don't watch a great deal of TV but I am thoroughly enjoying TPTV, Rewind and the That's TV suite of channels. That's (no pun intended) all I watch tbh.

We have reached the golden era of archive TV which hasn't been around since the original Gold.