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BenMcr 01-09-2023 09:27

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36159510)
Happy September all. Anything on the horizon?

As of yesterday, Maxit TV has been retired for new sign ups. The replacement TV tier is Mega TV which doesn't include TNT Sports by default. Anyone on Maxit will keep it until they change bundles.

The Entertainment Personal Picks for Mixit TV has been discontinued. Kids TV pick continues for Mixit, Maxit and Mega. Other add on channels are still available.

Ultimate Volt has been replaced by Mega Volt - key changes are that it comes with 500Mbit and no-AO by default, however both Gig1 and AOs can be added on if required.

Bob 01-09-2023 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36159514)
As of yesterday, Maxit TV has been retired for new sign ups. The replacement TV tier is Mega TV which doesn't include TNT Sports by default. Anyone on Maxit will keep it until they change bundles.

The Entertainment Personal Picks for Mixit TV has been discontinued. Kids TV pick continues for Mixit, Maxit and Mega. Other add on channels are still available.

Ultimate Volt has been replaced by Mega Volt - key changes are that it comes with 500Mbit and no-AO by default, however both Gig1 and AOs can be added on if required.

My parents will be looking to recontract soon. Just wanted to understand what AO meant in this context?

1701-e 01-09-2023 10:55

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No price reduction without TNT sports!

What's an AO?

1andrew1 01-09-2023 11:12

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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36159522)
What's an AO?

I think it must mean add-on(s).

BenMcr 01-09-2023 11:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 36159518)
My parents will be looking to recontract soon. Just wanted to understand what AO meant in this context?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36159522)
No price reduction without TNT sports!

What's an AO?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36159525)
I think it must mean add-on(s).

Sorry, It's Additional Outlet ie the second TV box.

1701-e 01-09-2023 11:44

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Thanks. And no price reduction without TNT sports?

Media Boy UK 01-09-2023 11:49

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2023)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36159514)
As of yesterday, Maxit TV has been retired for new sign ups. The replacement TV tier is Mega TV which doesn't include TNT Sports by default. Anyone on Maxit will keep it until they change bundles.

The Entertainment Personal Picks for Mixit TV has been discontinued. Kids TV pick continues for Mixit, Maxit and Mega. Other add on channels are still available.

Ultimate Volt has been replaced by Mega Volt - key changes are that it comes with 500Mbit and no-AO by default, however both Gig1 and AOs can be added on if required.

So How much will TNT Sports cost if someone wants to keep TNT Sports?

fuzhoudragon 01-09-2023 12:24

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So going on to VM website as a new customer, its an extra £6 a month to upgrade to 1 gig b/b, £ 18 a month to add TNT sports and £ 10 a month for second box. bit of a con from VM in as much as the Mega Volt bundles is giving you 350mb b/b upgraded to 500mb with the Volt. Advertised price of bundle after new customer contract expires is £ 155 a month and thats without the add ons.

TimeLord2018 01-09-2023 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36159534)
So How much will TNT Sports cost if someone wants to keep TNT Sports?

£18 or £10 (since last October) on Stream.

Media Boy UK 01-09-2023 12:36

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Originally Posted by fuzhoudragon (Post 36159539)
So going on to VM website as a new customer, its an extra £6 a month to upgrade to 1 gig b/b, £ 18 a month to add TNT sports and £ 10 a month for second box. bit of a con from VM in as much as the Mega Volt bundles is giving you 350mb b/b upgraded to 500mb with the Volt. Advertised price of bundle after new customer contract expires is £ 155 a month and thats without the add ons.

I have also just seen that on Virgin Media .com.

Do the TNT Sports being remove from the "Mega TV" pack mean that Warner Bros. Discovery and Virgin Media UK has signed the new carriage deal?

Joedm45 01-09-2023 16:21

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Wow... Thankfully I renewed my Ultimate Volt contract in the last couple of months.

Looks like an equivalent deal now with TNT and an additional box as extras would cost a lot more

Mr K 01-09-2023 18:10

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The package names are daft. What was wrong M, L, XL ? Who falls for all this 'volt', 'ultimate' and 'mega' cobblers?
Isn't very 'mega' if you're a sports fan! All marketing designed to extract as much cash out out of the punters as possible.

Hugh 01-09-2023 18:20

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36159551)
The package names are daft. What was wrong M, L, XL ? Who falls for all this 'volt', 'ultimate' and 'mega' cobblers?
Isn't very 'mega' if you're a sports fan! All marketing designed to extract as much cash out out of the punters as possible.


https://media.tenor.com/6BV57k2OQswA...pa-simpson.gif

1andrew1 01-09-2023 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36159551)
The package names are daft. What was wrong M, L, XL ? Who falls for all this 'volt', 'ultimate' and 'mega' cobblers?
Isn't very 'mega' if you're a sports fan! All marketing designed to extract as much cash out out of the punters as possible.

If you're going to change the offer then you need a new name. Once you've done small, medium and large and bronze, silver and gold then you have to get creative! Aim is to keep your current customers but get more from future ones. You can't do that with the same name.

Mr K 01-09-2023 19:35

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36159561)
If you're going to change the offer then you need a new name. Once you've done small, medium and large and bronze, silver and gold then you have to get creative! Aim is to keep your current customers but get more from future ones. You can't do that with the same name.

I'll be certain only to buy 4 pints of ultimate Volt mega-maxit semi skimmed milk in future. Its bound to be better than ordinary semi skimmed milk, even if its double the price #marketinggimmicks ;)

Mythica 02-09-2023 14:53

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One thing I don't get or doesn't make any sense to me is for instance the 02 Unlimited sim in the bundle (could use the overall package price too). So it's priced at £25, but that was the original price anyway. Shouldn't it be the price that it's gone up by which I believe is £29 after the increase. Basically you have two tier prices for the same product. Its about time practice's like this were clamped down on.

BenMcr 02-09-2023 15:15

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Mega Volt for new customers still has the O2 SIM as £25, and that should be the same for any existing Virgin Media O2 customer moving onto Mega Volt too as it's a new contracted deal.

Your Virgin Media price
Monthly price for 18 months
£60*
Monthly price after that. Prices may change.
£155*
Your O2 price
Monthly price
£25*

The O2 plan will increase as per price rise.

Mythica 02-09-2023 15:28

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36159594)
Mega Volt for new customers still has the O2 SIM as £25, and that should be the same for any existing Virgin Media O2 customer moving onto Mega Volt too as it's a new contracted deal.

Your Virgin Media price
Monthly price for 18 months
£60*
Monthly price after that. Prices may change.
£155*
Your O2 price
Monthly price
£25*

The O2 plan will increase as per price rise.

I get that, what I'm saying is shouldn't the price increase be part of the bundle price. So O2 are charging current customers £29 as that is what the price increase is, we will then get that again next year. Yet taking out the bundle, it's still £25. One could argue its a new customer price but that sits different to me.

Also while here, they never make it clear. After 18 months, is it £155 total or £155 plus £25 so £180 total?

1701-e 02-09-2023 18:02

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TNT sports isn't worth £18 when compared to sky sports at about £22 or so. The rebate during the 2020 lockdown was £9 pm. Serious devaluation of the XL/full house/ maxit package especially now that the lower packs have more HD than before.

Mythica 02-09-2023 18:41

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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36159598)
TNT sports isn't worth £18 when compared to sky sports at about £22 or so. The rebate during the 2020 lockdown was £9 pm. Serious devaluation of the XL/full house/ maxit package especially now that the lower packs have more HD than before.

Halving the broadband speed, taking away TNT sports and only one TV box is a ridiculous downgrade of the ultimate package.

epsilon 02-09-2023 20:02

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36159599)
Halving the broadband speed, taking away TNT sports and only one TV box is a ridiculous downgrade of the ultimate package.

Yep, that's progress... :rolleyes:

jfman 02-09-2023 20:22

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But hey, at least nobody pays for TNT that doesn’t want it. They can all write on the back of a postage stamp how much they saved.

Media Boy UK 05-09-2023 18:32

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What is on Channel 734 right now?

I know CITV has been removed from both Sky and Freeview.

joglynne 05-09-2023 19:48

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36159711)
What is on Channel 734 right now?

I know CITV has been removed from both Sky and Freeview.

Chanel 734 on my VM is showing as 'Channel Unavailable'

Jo

newapollo 05-09-2023 20:15

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Channel 734 is showing a video promoting ITVX 'Britains freshest kids TV service', and directing people to use the ITVX app

RichardCoulter 06-09-2023 00:58

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Warner Bros Discovery are to rename Boomerang to Cartoonito across Europe.

We have both on Virgin, so it looks like the UK will be losing a further Kids TV channel:

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2023...nds-boomerang/

SonicMaster 06-09-2023 10:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36159720)
Warner Bros Discovery are to rename Boomerang to Cartoonito across Europe.

We have both on Virgin, so it looks like the UK will be losing a further Kids TV channel:

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2023...nds-boomerang/

I wouldn't make that assumption.

1andrew1 09-09-2023 00:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36159720)
Warner Bros Discovery are to rename Boomerang to Cartoonito across Europe.

We have both on Virgin, so it looks like the UK will be losing a further Kids TV channel:

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2023...nds-boomerang/

I think you've misread that, it doesn't say across Europe.
Quote:

Warner Bros. Discovery has today (September 4) rebranded Boomerang to Cartoonito across the Nordics, Turkey, Middle East and North Africa.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2023...nds-boomerang/

TimeLord2018 10-09-2023 09:51

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Warner Bros. Discovery are also shutting down Discovery Science and Discovery Turbo Xtra (equivalent of Discovery Turbo) across parts of Europe, Middle East and Asia on New Year's Day, you could see it happening in the UK at some point since Discovery already shut down Discovery Home & Health and Discovery Shed in the UK.

RichardCoulter 14-09-2023 17:33

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According to Wiki, Discovery Science closes on 1/1/24.

ozsat 14-09-2023 17:45

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The artical it links to says "From 2024 January 1 TV channels "Discovery Science" and "DTX" will no longer be broadcast in Lithuania and several other countries, the representatives of the company managing them announced."

"Warner Bros. Discovery reported that from 2024 month of January. the company's catalog channels Discovery Science and DTX will no longer be broadcast in Central Europe, the Middle East and Turkey."

It doesn't specifically mention UK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36160057)
According to Wiki, Discovery Science closes on 1/1/24.


RichardCoulter 15-09-2023 01:35

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Be interesting to see if it carries on in the UK.

Of course, anyone can edit Wiki though.

Legendkiller2k 15-09-2023 14:25

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36160078)
Be interesting to see if it carries on in the UK.

Of course, anyone can edit Wiki though.

Discoverys plan is to eventually have all their content/channels exclusively on Discovery+

RichardCoulter 15-09-2023 15:02

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36160091)
Discoverys plan is to eventually have all their content/channels exclusively on Discovery+

Yes, some years ago I was leaked a document that said this. They only intend to eventually keep one linear channel to showcase their programmes and act as a barker channel.

cupcakes aka dd 16-09-2023 15:23

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So I’m finding that because VM no longer supports BBC1 HD England region that a lot of my recording previous to them removing this channel won’t play now. Unbelievable! What has a recording on a hard drive got to do with a channel removed.

epsilon 16-09-2023 19:08

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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36160130)
So I’m finding that because VM no longer supports BBC1 HD England region that a lot of my recording previous to them removing this channel won’t play now. Unbelievable! What has a recording on a hard drive got to do with a channel removed.

It is just how Virgin TV works, I've also lost recordings after channel closures but usually within the basic 3 month protection period. From the information I can see (from external sources, not from Virgin), the channel closed on Virgin TV on 11/01/2022 and recordings were protected until 20/03/2023. A lot longer than they usually protect recordings for closed channels.

A question though, if protection ended back in March and you are only just noticing that the recordings won't play back, how important are the recordings?

cupcakes aka dd 16-09-2023 21:37

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36160138)
It is just how Virgin TV works, I've also lost recordings after channel closures but usually within the basic 3 month protection period. From the information I can see (from external sources, not from Virgin), the channel closed on Virgin TV on 11/01/2022 and recordings were protected until 20/03/2023. A lot longer than they usually protect recordings for closed channels.

A question though, if protection ended back in March and you are only just noticing that the recordings won't play back, how important are the recordings?

Just stuff I like to revisit. Example Ariana Grande at the BBC which even iPlayer doesn’t have archived. Only YouTube which isn’t great quality.

djmagnifique 16-09-2023 22:59

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36160138)
It is just how Virgin TV works, I've also lost recordings after channel closures but usually within the basic 3 month protection period. From the information I can see (from external sources, not from Virgin), the channel closed on Virgin TV on 11/01/2022 and recordings were protected until 20/03/2023. A lot longer than they usually protect recordings for closed channels.

A question though, if protection ended back in March and you are only just noticing that the recordings won't play back, how important are the recordings?


That would explain why my BBC 1 shows are now being recorded from BBC Wales

epsilon 17-09-2023 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36160147)
Just stuff I like to revisit. Example Ariana Grande at the BBC which even iPlayer doesn’t have archived. Only YouTube which isn’t great quality.

Ok, that makes sense. If I want to hang onto any PSB content I usually record from Freeview. At least that way the recording is safe until either the box or the harddrive fails.

nodrogd 18-09-2023 19:10

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Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 36160153)
That would explain why my BBC 1 shows are now being recorded from BBC Wales

Are you using a Series Link?

If you don't specify a channel number the boxes default to 864 for BBC1 HD. This has been the case since all BBC1 regions on Virgin went HD. If you specify 101 then the programmes will only record from 101.

RichardCoulter 19-09-2023 01:52

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You used to be able to specify which channel or channels you wanted it to record from. Now it's either one or everything.

And they call it progress :rolleyes:

Hugh 19-09-2023 08:08

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You still can specify which channel (well, on our V6, you can).

OLD BOY 22-09-2023 16:26

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The point is, jfman, that with Virgin Stream you can get all the standard channels for free each month after an initial £35 fee and then add the streamers to it as required. It’s much cheaper than paying for all those TV channels you don’t want.

Discovery+ and Apple+TV have yet to arrive, but hopefully they will be on there soon.

jfman 22-09-2023 16:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160488)
The point is, jfman, that with Virgin Stream you can get all the standard channels for free each month after an initial £35 fee and then add the streamers to it as required. It’s much cheaper than paying for all those TV channels you don’t want.

Discovery+ and Apple+TV have yet to arrive, but hopefully they will be on there soon.

Is it cheaper? The loss of economies of scale from the previous bundles is pushing prices through the roof.

OLD BOY 22-09-2023 16:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160489)
Is it cheaper? The loss of economies of scale from the previous bundles is pushing prices through the roof.

Well, you only pay for the streamers, not the TV channels on the EPG, so yes, it’s cheaper. This is what I have said is coming for the last 8 years now.

jfman 22-09-2023 16:57

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160492)
Well, you only pay for the streamers, not the TV channels on the EPG, so yes, it’s cheaper. This is what I have said is coming for the last 8 years now.

But for actual viewers, in the real world, who judge things based on content and not the delivery method they now need to pay more to get less.

RichardCoulter 22-09-2023 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36160313)
You still can specify which channel (well, on our V6, you can).

Yes, it's one channel or all. You used to be able to select which channels you wanted to record from out of the ones available.

Even though the EPG synopsis still tends to show it, has anyone else noticed that recorded programmes no longer include the date a programme was first shown?

OLD BOY 23-09-2023 11:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160493)
But for actual viewers, in the real world, who judge things based on content and not the delivery method they now need to pay more to get less.

As I just pointed out, you only pay for the streamers that you want and not for all the channels you don’t want.

You will have to explain to me how that equates to increased payments and less choice.

jfman 23-09-2023 11:36

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160515)
As I just pointed out, you only pay for the streamers that you want and not for all the channels you don’t want.

You will have to explain to me how that equates to increased payments and less choice.

It doesn't take much expertise OB to point out that in packages consumers used to get Discovery content, used to get Disney content, <insert further standalone streamers content>.

Start adding up these streaming providers and - unless your viewing falls into an extremely narrow category - you are paying more.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of this:-

Quote:

2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now, ITVX, Amazon, Netflix, Lionsgate+, Apple+, Disney+, Paramount +
Is cheaper than the top package that Virgin or Sky were selling 10-15 years ago, even adjusted for inflation.

OLD BOY 23-09-2023 13:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160516)
It doesn't take much expertise OB to point out that in packages consumers used to get Discovery content, used to get Disney content, <insert further standalone streamers content>.

Start adding up these streaming providers and - unless your viewing falls into an extremely narrow category - you are paying more.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of this:-



Is cheaper than the top package that Virgin or Sky were selling 10-15 years ago, even adjusted for inflation.

That’s a daft comparison. Firstly, there is a helluva lot more content on the streamers that is of comparatively higher quality. Secondly, you only pay for the streamers you want, so how much you are forking out is up to you.

And of course, as I’ve pointed out already, you don’t have to pay anything for the channels you don’t want with Virgin Stream - in fact, they are free.

You know through your own experience that it’s far cheaper to watch Sky on their streamer, NOW.

cheekyangus 23-09-2023 13:54

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160515)
As I just pointed out, you only pay for the streamers that you want and not for all the channels you don’t want.

You will have to explain to me how that equates to increased payments and less choice.

Because if you want access to all the equivalent new content previously provided, before on-demand subscription services existed, by channels, you have to pay for all the on-demand services and this amounts to much more money than the previous channel bundles.

Say each on-demand subscription was £6 a month. You could get 5 content sources for £30 a month, whereas with the old fashioned channel bundle you'd get content from MANY more than 5 content sources for the same money.
If you like content from a large number on content creators the old channel bundles got you more and wider array of content providers.

And yes you could dip in and out of content providers, but if you like certain content on a monthly basis, especially if it's time sensitive (e.g. spoilers or live events), you can't really do this. Plus it's a right palaver/hassle/annoyance.

Legendkiller2k 23-09-2023 14:20

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I see the lovers tiff has started again on here.

OLD BOY 23-09-2023 14:23

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I see your argument, cheeky; if you rely on Freeview, it’s comparatively expensive. This is why I hope that by the time everyone goes to IPTV, most if not all streamers provide a free-with-ads version.

denphone 23-09-2023 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36160527)
I see the lovers tiff has started again on here.

:D

Media Boy UK 23-09-2023 15:30

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Ideal World brand took over by TJC and will relaunch soon on 5USA.

*Ideal World is set to come back to Virgin Media broadcasting on 5USA every morning.
*TJC Beauty brand (seen right now on 5USA every morning) will close.

https://www.shoppingtelly.com/post/t...l-world-assets

Hugh 23-09-2023 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160529)
I see your argument, cheeky; if you rely on Freeview, it’s comparatively expensive. This is why I hope that by the time everyone goes to IPTV, most if not all streamers provide a free-with-ads version.

Unfortunately, the trend appears to be either "free with lots of ads", "subscription with some ads", or "subscription+ with no ads"…

jfman 23-09-2023 16:56

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36160525)
Because if you want access to all the equivalent new content previously provided, before on-demand subscription services existed, by channels, you have to pay for all the on-demand services and this amounts to much more money than the previous channel bundles.

Say each on-demand subscription was £6 a month. You could get 5 content sources for £30 a month, whereas with the old fashioned channel bundle you'd get content from MANY more than 5 content sources for the same money.
If you like content from a large number on content creators the old channel bundles got you more and wider array of content providers.

And yes you could dip in and out of content providers, but if you like certain content on a monthly basis, especially if it's time sensitive (e.g. spoilers or live events), you can't really do this. Plus it's a right palaver/hassle/annoyance.

100% this. If you strip back the brands, and the technology, you need more products at greater cost just to stand still.

OLD BOY 24-09-2023 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36160534)
Unfortunately, the trend appears to be either "free with lots of ads", "subscription with some ads", or "subscription+ with no ads"…

Yes, that’s choice. All the TV channels apart from the BBC are beleaguered by ads, so no difference there, apart from the fact that we now have the freedom to avoid them.

---------- Post added at 20:28 ---------- Previous post was at 20:23 ----------

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160535)
100% this. If you strip back the brands, and the technology, you need more products at greater cost just to stand still.

I think you’ll find that most people were champing at the bit about having to pay for loads of channels they didn’t watch.

Realistically, if you subscribe only to Netflix and one other streamer, such as Discovery+ or NOW, that’s a lot cheaper than TV channel bundles. That additional range of choice you talk about is still available on Freeview.

The real problem I see is sport, because unless you are interested in only one sport, it can be very expensive to watch them all. Hopefully, there will be a solution for sports fans with time.

Itshim 24-09-2023 20:59

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Has anybody factored in the BB cost

cheekyangus 24-09-2023 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160588)

I think you’ll find that most people were champing at the bit about having to pay for loads of channels they didn’t watch.

Realistically, if you subscribe only to Netflix and one other streamer, such as Discovery+ or NOW, that’s a lot cheaper than TV channel bundles.

But you'd have 2 content suppliers and a narrower variety for the cost of a traditional smaller channel bundle that gave you MANY more suppliers and a wider variety for the same cost. And with those 2 on-demand services you're still paying for lots of content you're never going to want to watch.

This new normal you envisage isn't cheaper unles you have much narrower tastes or the flip flopping of on-demand services isn't an issue...and that's not the case for everyone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160588)
That additional range of choice you talk about is still available on Freeview.

No it isn't. This is pay on-demand versus pay channel bundles we're talking about. Freeview has a narrower choice. There's enough to get by with depending on tastes and time availability but it's not an equivalent.

jfman 24-09-2023 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160588)
I think you’ll find that most people were champing at the bit about having to pay for loads of channels they didn’t watch.

They may well have misunderstood the economic theory of economies of scale and (falsely) believed there were massive savings to be had. The reality is Sky (and Virgin) were paying third parties pennies per subscriber per month.

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Realistically, if you subscribe only to Netflix and one other streamer, such as Discovery+ or NOW, that’s a lot cheaper than TV channel bundles. That additional range of choice you talk about is still available on Freeview.
And miss out on a ton of content elsewhere!

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The real problem I see is sport, because unless you are interested in only one sport, it can be very expensive to watch them all. Hopefully, there will be a solution for sports fans with time.
At least you are conceding this one as it's so egregious sports fans are having to pay hand over fist to multiple content providers. The reality is it's the same in general entertainment - just not quite as bad.

1andrew1 24-09-2023 22:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160529)
I see your argument, cheeky; if you rely on Freeview, it’s comparatively expensive. This is why I hope that by the time everyone goes to IPTV, most if not all streamers provide a free-with-ads version.

I don't think a switch from aerial to broadband delivery will change the fundamentals.

It's down to economics. If there is additional profit to be made by having an ad-funded version then they will provide it.

However, 100% ad-funded channels don't have the income of subscription channels (or subscription and advertising channels) and therefore don't have the spending power that subscription channels do. That's why the Premier League is on subscription channels and not ITV or Channel 5.

Offering an advertising-only subscription option has the strong potential to cannibalise subscription income which might be attractive for lower-level streamers like Netflix but less so for premium streamers like Now Sky Movies and Disney +.

RichardCoulter 25-09-2023 11:13

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160602)
They may well have misunderstood the economic theory of economies of scale and (falsely) believed there were massive savings to be had. The reality is Sky (and Virgin) were paying third parties pennies per subscriber per month.



And miss out on a ton of content elsewhere!



At least you are conceding this one as it's so egregious sports fans are having to pay hand over fist to multiple content providers. The reality is it's the same in general entertainment - just not quite as bad.

Agreed.

As an example, someone pays 10p a channel per week for 10 channels=£1.

They only watch 5 of them, so think great, I can now get away with only paying 50p. BUT lots of other people stopped paying for the channels that they watch, so the price goes up to 20p a week to cover the shortfall. So now they pay 5x0.20=£1.

They end up paying the same for less channel choice.

OLD BOY 25-09-2023 12:11

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36160618)
Agreed.

As an example, someone pays 10p a channel per week for 10 channels=£1.

They only watch 5 of them, so think great, I can now get away with only paying 50p. BUT lots of other people stopped paying for the channels that they watch, so the price goes up to 20p a week to cover the shortfall. So now they pay 5x0.20=£1.

They end up paying the same for less channel choice.

I am not concerned with ‘channel choice’. I am really highlighting the phenomenon of having squillions of channels but nothing you want to watch.

Since the streamers have launched, I find that the quality of my viewing choices have increased enormously. I am not interested in the repeats and the rubbish that you find dominating the non-terrestrial channels.

However, I understand that there are those who are wedded to the TV channels because it’s what they are used to. You should make the most of that while they are there, although the FAST channels may prove an acceptable substitute for some.

jfman 25-09-2023 12:24

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160620)
I am not concerned with ‘channel choice’. I am really highlighting the phenomenon of having squillions of channels but nothing you want to watch.

Since the streamers have launched, I find that the quality of my viewing choices have increased enormously. I am not interested in the repeats and the rubbish that you find dominating the non-terrestrial channels.

However, I understand that there are those who are wedded to the TV channels because it’s what they are used to. You should make the most of that while they are there, although the FAST channels may prove an acceptable substitute for some.

Yet, by definition, everything you've seen in a streamer's back catalogue - and the stuff they've taken from third parties back in house - is a 'repeat'.

You don't seem that bothered about paying for the masses of content that you don't watch on a streaming platform. Your restriction to linear channels in this respect is entirely arbitrary.

Legendkiller2k 25-09-2023 12:57

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For those who can’t wait to get into the festive spirit, there’s good news on the horizon: Movies24, a channel available on both Sky and Virgin Media, is making its annual transformation into Christmas24 earlier than usual this year.

Starting on October 1, 2023, the channel will be dedicated to all things Christmas, from romantic comedies set in snowy landscapes to heartwarming family dramas.

OLD BOY 25-09-2023 13:03

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160624)
Yet, by definition, everything you've seen in a streamer's back catalogue - and the stuff they've taken from third parties back in house - is a 'repeat'.

You don't seem that bothered about paying for the masses of content that you don't watch on a streaming platform. Your restriction to linear channels in this respect is entirely arbitrary.

There’s no comparison, jfman. Streamers like Netflix and Amazon may have stuff you don’t fancy, but it’s nothing like the amount of drivel you get on those TV channels.

Legendkiller2k 25-09-2023 13:04

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160627)
There’s no comparison, jfman. Streamers like Netflix and Amazon may have stuff you don’t fancy, but it’s nothing like the amount of drivel you get on those TV channels.

Give it a rest you two, everytime you constantly derail the thread get a room or something.

jfman 25-09-2023 13:04

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160627)
There’s no comparison, jfman. Streamers like Netflix and Amazon may have stuff you don’t fancy, but it’s nothing like the amount of drivel you get on those TV channels.

If you added up the amount of drivel on them all you'd find it's the exact same drivel. There's only a finite amount of actors, of production companies, of writers.

heavyside 25-09-2023 14:55

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36160626)
For those who can’t wait to get into the festive spirit, there’s good news on the horizon: Movies24, a channel available on both Sky and Virgin Media, is making its annual transformation into Christmas24 earlier than usual this year.

Starting on October 1, 2023, the channel will be dedicated to all things Christmas, from romantic comedies set in snowy landscapes to heartwarming family dramas.

Bah, humbug!

Media Boy UK 25-09-2023 18:38

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Reports will say Ideal World will reappear on Friday (September 29th) using TJC Beauty broadcasting space.

TJC Beauty will no longer broadcast.

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That means Ideal World will be on 5USA broadcasting space up to 10am everyday via Virgin Media channels 120/162/320.

denphone 25-09-2023 18:42

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36160626)
For those who can’t wait to get into the festive spirit, there’s good news on the horizon: Movies24, a channel available on both Sky and Virgin Media, is making its annual transformation into Christmas24 earlier than usual this year.

Starting on October 1, 2023, the channel will be dedicated to all things Christmas, from romantic comedies set in snowy landscapes to heartwarming family dramas.

;):cleader::cleader::xmas::xmas:

Mr K 25-09-2023 20:07

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36160654)
;):cleader::cleader::xmas::xmas:

Don't Den, just don't.... ;)

( Movies24 certainly isn't a ' movie' channel. None of their made for tv feel good crap has been anywhere near a cinema..)

Kevc69 26-09-2023 09:09

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36160626)
For those who can’t wait to get into the festive spirit, there’s good news on the horizon: Movies24, a channel available on both Sky and Virgin Media, is making its annual transformation into Christmas24 earlier than usual this year.

Starting on October 1, 2023, the channel will be dedicated to all things Christmas, from romantic comedies set in snowy landscapes to heartwarming family dramas.

2nd channel to go over then. Great has been on Christmas movies since 1st September. There is nowhere to hide from this stuff.

Itshim 26-09-2023 11:51

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160660)
Don't Den, just don't.... ;)

( Movies24 certainly isn't a ' movie' channel. None of their made for tv feel good crap has been anywhere near a cinema..)

Sorry it's sad but I love most of there films ;)

cheekyangus 26-09-2023 23:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160660)
Don't Den, just don't.... ;)

( Movies24 certainly isn't a ' movie' channel. None of their made for tv feel good crap has been anywhere near a cinema..)

Its length and being a single entity, not a series, is what makes it a movie not whether it has been in a cinema.

Kevc69 27-09-2023 08:15

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The increase in made for TV movies may be more a symptom of the lack of interest in going to the cinema than the quality. Over the last couple of years my cinema visits have had audiences countable on both hands. That can't be making money. TV movies will have a guaranteed income from the likes of movies 24.

Mr K 27-09-2023 09:06

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Originally Posted by Kevc69 (Post 36160755)
The increase in made for TV movies may be more a symptom of the lack of interest in going to the cinema than the quality. Over the last couple of years my cinema visits have had audiences countable on both hands. That can't be making money. TV movies will have a guaranteed income from the likes of movies 24.

Tv 'movies' are universally dire, Movies24 output particularly so.

Bring back TCM.....

denphone 27-09-2023 10:22

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160758)
Tv 'movies' are universally dire, Movies24 output particularly so.

Bring back TCM.....

Such a shame that the TCM channel disappeared.:(

carbon60 27-09-2023 10:32

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160758)
Tv 'movies' are universally dire, Movies24 output particularly so.

Bring back TCM.....

I thought that Death Train starring Pierce Brosnan and Patrick Stewart was alright.

RichardCoulter 27-09-2023 15:04

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That's TV have a licence to launch That's Cinema on satellite, presumably to cater for the former viewers of TCM.

Media Boy UK 27-09-2023 16:34

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36160782)
That's TV have a licence to launch That's Cinema on satellite, presumably to cater for the former viewers of TCM.

That's DO NOT have licence to launch That's Cinema on satellite.

That's TV ask OFCOM to give them a right to reuse That's Cinema's licence for sister channel "That's 90s" last month.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates

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If anyone is missing TCM why don't you give Talking Pictures a try on Channel 445.

Mr K 27-09-2023 18:59

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36160782)
That's TV have a licence to launch That's Cinema on satellite, presumably to cater for the former viewers of TCM.

What films have they got is the question? If it's anything like the tv output, it'll be downmarket UK seventies stuff. (I'd be up for that ;) )

cupcakes aka dd 27-09-2023 19:45

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Lots of channels pixelating tonight B42 area.

epsilon 02-10-2023 20:34

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This month, Virgin Media are, once again, having a free to view period for channels in the kids genre.

https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/vir...no-extra-cost/

TimeLord2018 03-10-2023 11:31

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Pick is rebranded as Sky Mix from 18th October.

djmagnifique 13-10-2023 21:31

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It's just popped up on E4 Extra that it is moving to channel 144 on 18th October.

Media Boy UK 14-10-2023 01:07

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Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 36161926)
It's just popped up on E4 Extra that it is moving to channel 144 on 18th October.

Good find.

Media Boy UK 14-10-2023 14:21

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That's Media newer channel "That's Christmas" will not launch on Virgin Media UK.

-Channel will only on October 18th on Sky, Freeview and Freesat.

Media Boy UK 14-10-2023 19:59

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Will Virgin Media do anymore changes on Wednesday?

What been confirmed so far:

*Pick to close at 6am on Channel 135.
*Sky Mix SD to launch at 11am on Channel 135.
*E4 Extra moves to Channel 144.

OLD BOY 14-10-2023 20:16

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36161171)
Pick is rebranded as Sky Mix from 18th October.

Let’s play ‘spot the difference’. Same old rubbish.

SonicMaster 18-10-2023 10:52

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LOL at VM finally moving E4 Extra to the correct section of the EPG about 16 months late 😂

epsilon 19-10-2023 15:04

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Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36162221)
LOL at VM finally moving E4 Extra to the correct section of the EPG about 16 months late ��

Don't worry though, they haven't moved it from the "Music" genre so maybe more LOLs still to come. ;)

Media Boy UK 22-10-2023 17:20

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Two Virgin Media UK sources has confirmed that the following FAST channels will launch in November on Virgin Media:

216. 5 Cops
217. CSI: New York
218. Catfish

plus one of the following FAST Channels will also launch:

-Wicked Tuna
-Anger Management
-The Lego Channel

One of the Sources has also reveal more changes are set to happen by January 1st 2024.

Media Boy UK 25-10-2023 13:52

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36162542)
Two Virgin Media UK sources has confirmed that the following FAST channels will launch in November on Virgin Media:

216. 5 Cops
217. CSI: New York
218. Catfish

plus one of the following FAST Channels will also launch:

-Wicked Tuna
-Anger Management
-The Lego Channel

UPDATE:

The FAST Channels listed before will launch on Virgin Media's EPG within the next 21 days.

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More rebrands coming:

*October 30th: Nicktoons to be rebrand as Nick Loud house.
*November 1st: The Box will be rebrand as Boxmas.
*November 6th: MTV 90s to be rebrand as MTV Xmas.

Media Boy UK 26-10-2023 21:02

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36162542)
One of the Sources has also reveal more changes are set to happen by January 1st 2024.

Here is what My Sources told me on October 20th in full

Note: ALL information is still subject to change:

*Virgin Media to launch a new HD Channel^
*Virgin Media hope to launch Apple +^
*Some Channels will close on December 31

^All changes are set to happen by January 1st 2024.

1andrew1 27-10-2023 03:20

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36162821)
Here is what My Sources told me on October 20th in full

Note: ALL information is still subject to change:

*Virgin Media to launch a new HD Channel^
*Virgin Media hope to launch Apple +^
*Some Channels will close on December 31

^All changes are set to happen by January 1st 2024.

Maybe that HD channel is DAZN? Or even Sky Atlantic when we're not expecting it?

Mr K 27-10-2023 07:07

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36162542)
Two Virgin Media UK sources has confirmed that the following FAST channels will launch in November on Virgin Media:

216. 5 Cops
217. CSI: New York
218. Catfish

plus one of the following FAST Channels will also launch:

-Wicked Tuna
-Anger Management
-The Lego Channel

One of the Sources has also reveal more changes are set to happen by January 1st 2024.

The Lego Channel? sounds brilliant! :D

TimeLord2018 27-10-2023 09:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36162833)
Maybe that HD channel is DAZN?

Maybe CNBC HD , the SD channel is shutting down on Sky on 2nd November.
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/What-s-...3/td-p/4462504

Also CNBC HD launched this month on Freesat with SD channel no longer available

Was no mention of DAZN channel launching on Virgin in press release in March only the app.

Media Boy UK 27-10-2023 14:20

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36162844)
Maybe CNBC HD , the SD channel is shutting down on Sky on 2nd November.
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/What-s-...3/td-p/4462504

Also CNBC HD launched this month on Freesat with SD channel no longer available

Was no mention of DAZN channel launching on Virgin in press release in March only the app.

I have seen been thinking it may turn out to be CNBC HD since I was given the information last Friday.

(Holding back was to give me time to try and get the names of the HD Channel and also the channels that are set to close on December 31st)

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That new HD Channel may launch on Virgin Media as soon as next Thursday as CNBC will be only in HD from November 2nd on Sky.

Source: Sky Forum.

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Next weeks changes for Virgin Media UK in full:

Saturday:
*​Sky Cinema Wizarding World HD renames to Sky Cinema Fast & Furious HD

Monday:
*NickToons renames to Nick LoudHouse
*​Sky Cinema Black Talent HD renames to ​Sky Cinema Hits HD

Wednesday:
*​Sky Cinema Halloween HD renames to Sky Cinema ScFi and Horror HD
*The Box renames to BoXmas

Thursday:
*​Virgin Media may close CNBC SD and replaced it with CNBC HD (Change to be confirmed)

Friday:
*Sky Cinema Hits HD rename to​ Sky Cinema Twilight HD


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