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Sephiroth 25-08-2023 10:19
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My son has buggered off to Australia. I almost advise everyone to do likewise!

Hugh 25-08-2023 11:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159194)
My son has buggered off to Australia. I almost advise everyone to do likewise!
Go for it…. ;)

Sephiroth 25-08-2023 12:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159202)
Go for it…. ;)
... but not you. Not needed there.

Mr K 25-08-2023 12:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159194)
My son has buggered off to Australia. I almost advise everyone to do likewise!
Yes let's all invade in small boats. Long journey though, and they might want their country back at some point.

As predicted the non workers and pensioners will be all that's left in little England. Nige and Rishi won't be staying I can guarantee that.

Sephiroth 25-08-2023 12:50
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You have to question Rishi's loyalties. With most immigrants with visas are from India and Nigeria. The 2022 gross immigration figure is 606,000 (as widely reported in today's press). I also worry for social cohesion if this rate continues and multicultural imbalance increases.

TheDaddy 25-08-2023 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159210)
You have to question Rishi's loyalties. With most immigrants with visas are from India and Nigeria. The 2022 gross immigration figure is 606,000 (as widely reported in today's press). I also worry for social cohesion if this rate continues and multicultural imbalance increases.
Yes continue worrying about that and tow the party line, under no circumstances worry about

Not being able to heat your home
Not being able to cook food
Getting a pay rise
Falling ill
Swimming in the waterways
Using a train
Needing a dentist
Reporting a crime
Or
Being able to protest about any of the above

No wonder you're advising people to leave the country, shame they've lost freedom of movement to loads of countries though, still imagine how much worse it'd be under labour

Pierre 25-08-2023 13:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36159205)
Yes let's all invade in small boats.
Already been tried, unlike us, they were able to control the situation and stop it.

1andrew1 25-08-2023 13:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159210)
You have to question Rishi's loyalties. With most immigrants with visas are from India and Nigeria. The 2022 gross immigration figure is 606,000 (as widely reported in today's press). I also worry for social cohesion if this rate continues and multicultural imbalance increases.
I'm afraid you've lost me here, Seph. :confused:

You voted in 2016 to end free movement to/from Europe and to replace it with visa-led immigration from across the world, targeted at harder-to-fill job categories.

And you're now wondering why such immigrants have different cultural backgrounds than those from when we were in the EU?

Hugh 25-08-2023 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159210)
You have to question Rishi's loyalties. With most immigrants with visas are from India and Nigeria. The 2022 gross immigration figure is 606,000 (as widely reported in today's press). I also worry for social cohesion if this rate continues and multicultural imbalance increases.
No!

Really?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159204)
... but not you. Not needed there.
I enjoyed my visits there, to Sydney, Melbourne, and the Gold Coast.

btw, I was offered a job by Telecom Australia (now Telstra) in the late 80s*, so your assertion, like so many, has no basis in actuality…

*I was involved in the privatisation of Telecom NZ, and some Telecom Australia execs visited us in Auckland to review what we were doing, and they asked me to be telephone interviewed the following week, and then offered me a job (I turned it down, as my family didn’t want to move to the Antipodes).

Sephiroth 25-08-2023 16:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36159214)
I'm afraid you've lost me here, Seph. :confused:

You voted in 2016 to end free movement to/from Europe and to replace it with visa-led immigration from across the world, targeted at harder-to-fill job categories.

And you're now wondering why such immigrants have different cultural backgrounds than those from when we were in the EU?

Quite simply, I can see our social cohesion being at risk as the cultural balance changes year by year. Is that what you want? Please answer that.

On the Sunak point, it’s the inner cricket side support thing. One cannot be seriously criticised for assuming that he has a pro-India bias. It’s culturally natural.

Then, with all those IT visas being granted to Indians (I have no problem with that so long as it’s not for families), how many of them are supplied from a business owned by Mrs Rishi’s family? This is a valud question in the interests of transparency.



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Btw, I’ll walk into Andrew’s trap. EU workers are not a cultural threat. They integrate quite naturally and don’t demand slavery reparations. Nor are they machete trained.


Hugh 25-08-2023 21:28
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‘machete trained’ & ‘slavery reparations’?

Most of the legal migrants are from the Indian subcontinent, which is not famous for either slavery reparations or being machete trained…

Mate, you need to stop watching GBNews…

Pierre 25-08-2023 22:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159243)
‘machete trained’ & ‘slavery reparations’?

Most of the legal migrants are from the Indian subcontinent
I don’t think he was referring to legal migrants.

More likely the well educated scholars coming over in small boats with their machete proficiency certificates.

Sephiroth 25-08-2023 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36159250)
I don’t think he was referring to legal migrants.

More likely the well educated scholars coming over in small boats with their machete proficiency certificates.
Nah - they were thrown overboard.

Hugh 25-08-2023 23:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36159250)
I don’t think he was referring to legal migrants.

More likely the well educated scholars coming over in small boats with their machete proficiency certificates.
Pretty sure the Afghans, Iraqi, Iranians, & Albanians (majority of boat people, who are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants), aren’t ‘machete trained’ or seeking ‘slavery reparations’…

Mr K 25-08-2023 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159253)
Pretty sure the Afghans, Iraqi, Iranians, & Albanians (majority of boat people, who are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants), aren’t ‘machete trained’ or seeking ‘slavery reparations’…
An Iranian is replacing my central heating boiler, highly recommended and much sort after he is too. Don't think he has a machete, but is 'gas safe' :)

Pierre 26-08-2023 00:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159253)
Pretty sure the Afghans, Iraqi, Iranians, & Albanians (majority of boat people, who are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants)
Based on the overwhelming evidence, every day, the scholars coming over on small boats are not , in the main, asylum seekers.

You can continue to wring your hand and clutch your pearls, but no, sorry.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159253)
Pretty sure the Afghans, Iraqi, Iranians, & Albanians (majority of boat people, who are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants), aren’t ‘machete trained’ or seeking ‘slavery reparations’…
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36159256)
An Iranian is replacing my central heating boiler, highly recommended and much sort after he is too. Don't think he has a machete, but is 'gas safe' :)
It’s a strange left wing/ Labour Party that cheers on jobs being taken away from young British men.

Well as long as men dressed as women can use women’s spaces, that’s what Labour stands for now. Sensible politics for sensible people.

Ms NTL 26-08-2023 03:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159194)
My son has buggered off to Australia. I almost advise everyone to do likewise!
where and why?

I lived in Perth for 20 years (4-6 months a year). Good Mediterranean-style life, ok, quality life with no problems, swimming pool etc but boring. My god boring...I even watched Aussie rules, I went to WACA....I could not take more than 6 months... I went to the Ocean looking up (dreaming) Europe and Surrey...

jfman 26-08-2023 08:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36159258)
It’s a strange left wing/ Labour Party that cheers on jobs being taken away from young British men.

Well as long as men dressed as women can use women’s spaces, that’s what Labour stands for now. Sensible politics for sensible people.
It could be worse you could be the Conservative Party that facilitated it.

Hugh 26-08-2023 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36159258)
Based on the overwhelming evidence, every day, the scholars coming over on small boats are not , in the main, asylum seekers.

You can continue to wring your hand and clutch your pearls, but no, sorry.

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It’s a strange left wing/ Labour Party that cheers on jobs being taken away from young British men.

Well as long as men dressed as women can use women’s spaces, that’s what Labour stands for now. Sensible politics for sensible people.
You are Lozza Fox, and I claim my five pounds… ;)

Three culture war comments in three sentences - well done, there’s a job waiting for you in CCHQ…

Pierre 26-08-2023 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159263)
You are Lozza Fox, and I claim my five pounds… ;)

Three culture war comments in three sentences - well done, there’s a job waiting for you in CCHQ…
I’m sure there’s a slot coming free on GB news.

Sephiroth 26-08-2023 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36159265)
I’m sure there’s a slot coming free on GB news.
No room for any Wokerati on GB News.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36159212)
Yes continue worrying about that and tow the party line, under no circumstances worry about

Not being able to heat your home
Not being able to cook food
Getting a pay rise
Falling ill
Swimming in the waterways
Using a train
Needing a dentist
Reporting a crime
Or
Being able to protest about any of the above

No wonder you're advising people to leave the country, shame they've lost freedom of movement to loads of countries though, still imagine how much worse it'd be under labour

To your point - yes. There was no money when Labour left office in 2010 and there will be no money when/if Labour take over after the GE. Fail-Fail is all we can expect.

I grant that the NHS was in better shape in 2010 so far as patient experience went. God knows where the Tories (my party) have pissed our taxes away; or perhaps we know where but not why.

One of the biggest "crimes" of successive governments is kicking nuclear power down the road until, when we really need it, it's not there.

By all means, wish to punish the Tories but open your eyes and don't expect any better from Labour and even less from the mad Liberals.

Also - STOP THE BOATS. Time to post notices in Calais that the RN/Border Force will push boats back into French Waters. £4bn annually is a national emergency which should be declared so we can unilaterally act. Other legal stes will be necessary including abandoning certain Human Rights accessions and replacing them with sensible laws of our own that distinguish between "the Boats" and genuine maritime traffic. Also, having left certain international treaties, Rwanda becomes real. Do this quickly. Nah - won't happen.

1andrew1 26-08-2023 11:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159266)

To your point - yes. There was no money when Labour left office in 2010 and there will be no money when/if Labour take over after the GE. Fail-Fail is all we can expect.
To say there's no money left at a particular time makes no sense. We've had a national debt for the UK for all of this century and all of the last century. We've just borrowed money. Currently our debt's £2.58 trillion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151

Sephiroth 26-08-2023 12:26
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Merely repeating what the Labour bod’s note said in 2010 and what nearly £3tn means today.

1andrew1 26-08-2023 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159271)


Merely repeating what the Labour bod’s note said in 2010 and what nearly £3tn means today.
It was clearly a joke as anyone who understood economics (as Brown did) would know that we had a debt back then too.

jfman 26-08-2023 12:43
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There's never no money left - there's only the choice to not raise money through taxation or not borrow it.

Before someone jumps in to say 'ah but it has to be repaid' then please find me the political party with the plan to get our debt down to £0.

Hint: there isn't one.

Hugh 26-08-2023 18:05
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Tory MP Nadine Dorries quits Commons seat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308

Quote:
Nadine Dorries has resigned her Commons seat, two months after promising to quit "with immediate effect".

She launched a blistering attack on Rishi Sunak in her resignation statement, saying "history will not judge you kindly".

The Mid Bedfordshire MP first announced her intention to resign on 14 June.

She accused the prime minister of abandoning "the fundamental principles of Conservatism".
In Encyclopaedia Britannica, under "Lack of Self Awareness", it says "see Nadine Dorries"…

Dave42 26-08-2023 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36159283)
Tory MP Nadine Dorries quits Commons seat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66630308
finally good riddance Nadine you not be missed

1andrew1 26-08-2023 18:11
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At last!

Sephiroth 26-08-2023 18:31
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You see (one of) my point(s) about Sunak - he can't stop the boats, it would seem. So that's 20% of his big 5 screwed.

He can't cut debt if the economy isn't growing - which it ain't by more than the merest smidgeon. Another 20% gone.

He'll pretend that the economy is growing (even by a smidgeon) - but nobody will believe him (a) because it isn't tangible and won't be unless we make wind turbines here (e.g.) tomorrow and (b) the BoE are keeping interest rates high. Another 20% blown.

He'll pretend that patient waiting lists are coming down. But that cannot be so while the population is growing (with immigrants) and medical staff are either striking or leaving the country. -20% again.

Thing is, he knows that he is failing but he's rich and it won't affect him too seriously (other than no longer sitting at the world top table).

And for the Labour fans, don't expect those idiots to do any better. They have to grow the energy industry, ensure none of the oil/gas goes elsewhere (this can be achieved by having golden shares and borrowing to fund this). They have to seed fund all other energy initiatives; they must abandon all stupid rewilding projects that remove arable land from farmers so that we can be more food self-sufficient. They must reform the OFGEM system so that the price cap is not the actual price - lots of reforms like that. They need to make the economy grow substantially so that the NHS can function properly.

But Labour isn't that clever. We are well stuffed. Jeez.

1andrew1 27-08-2023 00:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159226)

Then, with all those IT visas being granted to Indians (I have no problem with that so long as it’s not for families), how many of them are supplied from a business owned by Mrs Rishi’s family? This is a valid question in the interests of transparency.
With his City background, Sunak was more economically literate than many in his Party. Yet why did he advocate Brexit? I think you may have answered this conundrum.

Sephiroth 27-08-2023 08:25
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I would have expected all Leavers to have wanted the UK to remain sovereign rather than taking even more instruction from Brussels. It’s the fundamental argument for Brexit.

What we then do with it is up to business skill and sensible governance, the latter lacking.

Additionally, Sunak, being rich for non-EU reasons, would not have been wedded to any argument for remaining.

I would have thought.


Mr K 27-08-2023 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159300)

I would have expected all Leavers to have wanted the UK to remain sovereign rather than taking even more instruction from Brussels. It’s the fundamental argument for Brexit.

What we then do with it is up to business skill and sensible governance, the latter lacking.

Additionally, Sunak, being rich for non-EU reasons, would not have been wedded to any argument for remaining.

I would have thought.

Sovereignty? Think people would rather have cheaper prices, crops harvested, trade deals that work both ways an NHS staffed and not have been lied to, big time. Many leavers have woken up to that. For Brussels, read Whitehall, except out bureaucrats aren't as good and have a much weaker hand.

Sephiroth 30-08-2023 19:00
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159226)
<SNIP>



Btw, I’ll walk into Andrew’s trap. EU workers are not a cultural threat. They integrate quite naturally and don’t demand slavery reparations. Nor are they machete trained.


From today's Telegraph (and the Times, et al):

The machetes have been deployed.

Pierre 30-08-2023 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159467)

From today's Telegraph (and the Times, et al):

The machetes have been deployed.
You’re despicable Seph.

All I see are scholars, future doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists, care givers. The country’s future has never looked better.

These talented people will rise up, lift the economy, and carry us white supremacists shoulder high off into our retirement.

Ms NTL 30-08-2023 19:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159467)

From today's Telegraph (and the Times, et al):

The machetes have been deployed.

I live there (working days), on the road behind Portobello. The machetes people were cockney, and judging from their accents East London.

The Jamaicans are fun and lovely!

Portobello Rd is very, very peaceful. Never any trouble.

It's a carnival problem.

Sephiroth 30-08-2023 20:16
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Sure - certainly a carnival problem.

But I was mocked for mentioning machetes, yet there they are.

Btw, I know the area very well having Lived in Moscow Road for several years.

Ms NTL 30-08-2023 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36159472)
Sure - certainly a carnival problem.

But I was mocked for mentioning machetes, yet there they are.

Btw, I know the area very well having Lived in Moscow Road for several years.
Bloody hell, almost neighbours!

I have a flat at Colville Square Gardens, but..... but let's not go into the slavery history of my flat....

Sephiroth 30-08-2023 20:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36159473)
Bloody hell, almost neighbours!

I have a flat at Colville Square Gardens, but..... but let's not go into the slavery history of my flat....
In my day, bus drivers, milkmen and other working class people lived there - more particularly to my knowledge, Colville Terrace.

Ladbroke Grove was less cosmopolitan then. I'm nostalgically pleased to see that the 52 bus still runs there (we later moved to Willesden).

Ms NTL 31-08-2023 03:17
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Yeap. The movie and gentrification changed Notting hill. Ladbroke Grove still has some real local people....

1andrew1 31-08-2023 08:41
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Ben Wallace (Defence Secretary) has resigned in anticipation of a reshuffle.
https://news.sky.com/story/ben-walla...-full-12951252

ianch99 31-08-2023 09:25
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Meanwhile back in Tory Britain. Yes, they are really toast: the RSPB has had enough:

https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/stat...45799383003180

Quote:
LIARS!

@RishiSunak @michaelgove @theresecoffey

you said you wouldn’t weaken environmental protections.

And yet that’s just what you are doing.

You lie, and you lie, and you lie again.

And we’ve had enough.
the definition of conservative Middle England are up in arms

GrimUpNorth 31-08-2023 09:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36159485)
Meanwhile back in Tory Britain. Yes, they are really toast: the RSPB has had enough:

https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/stat...45799383003180



the definition of conservative Middle England are up in arms
Not mincing their words.

1andrew1 31-08-2023 10:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36159485)
Meanwhile back in Tory Britain. Yes, they are really toast: the RSPB has had enough:

https://twitter.com/RSPBEngland/stat...45799383003180

the definition of conservative Middle England are up in arms
RSPB has since apologised although interesting if the Tweet is still up there!

Quote:
RSPB apologises for calling ministers 'liars' over environment pledges

The charity initially told the BBC it stood by the comments.

However three hours later it apologised, saying the original post had fallen "below the standard we set ourselves".

"We will continue to campaign vigorously on behalf of nature but we will always do so in a polite and considered manner," it added.

One of the charity's trustees Ben Caldecott had publicly criticised the post on X, saying it was "simply not an appropriate contribution to our public discourse from such an important and highly respected organisation".

"We can strongly disagree and make our case without calling people 'LIARS!'" he said, adding that he had raised the issue "urgently" with the charity's chief executive and chair.

Conservative MP Mark Jenkinson accused the RSPB of becoming "a political campaigning organisation" and called for the regulator the Charity Commission to strip the organisation of its charity status.

Political campaigning by charities is allowed under guidance issued by the Charity Commission, but any involvement with political parties must be balanced.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66666435

Hugh 01-09-2023 10:18
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1693559881

He definitely knows where the bodies are buried* - five different Secretary of State positions, under three different Prime Ministers, in one year…

*tbf, he was Tory Party Chairman 2012-2015, which would have been useful for gathering kompromat…

peanut 01-09-2023 11:19
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Basically the saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' is all that's needed to be said.

Pierre 01-09-2023 11:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36159526)
Basically the saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' is all that's needed to be said.
Same for any minister

Hugh 01-09-2023 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36159526)
Basically the saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' is all that's needed to be said.
Not so much the lack of experience in each post (Ministers have staff for that), it's more that he's had five Minister of State positions, under three PMs, in under a year, that's a bit unusual...

Mr K 02-09-2023 09:49
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Apparently our new Defence Minister has been using '1234', as his password. The Russkies will never crack that :D

1andrew1 04-09-2023 09:53
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What goes around, comes around.
Quote:
Rishi Sunak cut the budget for rebuilding schools when he was chancellor, years after ministers were told there was a danger of collapse posed by the low-strength concrete used in buildings in the post-war period, according to the former permanent secretary at the department of education.

Speaking on the BBC’s Today programme on Monday morning, Jonathan Slater said that his department warned the government in 2018 that 300 to 400 schools needed to be replaced each year because the reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete used in construction between the 1960s and 1990s only had a design life of 30 to 40 years.

“We weren’t just saying there was a significant risk of fatality, we were saying there was a critical risk to life if this programme is not funded,” he said.
https://www.ft.com/content/5068e091-...0-c61ecfaeef9c

ianch99 04-09-2023 11:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36159661)
Don't forget that the Tories when they came into power in 2010, scrapped a Labour plan to rebuild many schools:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/09/1.jpg

Apart from their donors and, of course, the ultra-wealthy, I cannot think of any section of society that has benefitted from 13 years of their rule.

Pierre 04-09-2023 11:38
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Quote:
Jonathan Slater said that his department warned the government in 2018 that 300 to 400 schools needed to be replaced each year because the reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete used in construction between the 1960s and 1990s only had a design life of 30 to 40 years.
Just because something has a "design life" of a certain period, does not mean that when it reaches that age it will automatically and suddenly fail.

The school/ buildings where this material was used should be surveyed and assessed, in fact what is the bigger scandal is that such a survey regime was not costed in and already implemented.

It is extremely unlikely that all schools built with this material will need to be knocked down and rebuilt. Some may, some may just need remedial works, some will be just fine.

As usual there is much running around with heads on fire, screaming that the sky is falling.

Unfortunately, what I can predict is that someone will make a lot of money from this!

denphone 04-09-2023 14:00
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The shitshow continues...

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-09-04/...on-raac-crisis


Quote:
The education secretary has been recorded on camera suggesting others "have been sat on their a***s" over the school Raac crisis, while saying the government should be thanked for their response.

As part of a morning round of interviews, Gillian Keegan was speaking to ITV News as it was confirmed there could potentially be hundreds more schools affected by the crisis.

In the moments after the main body of the interview had finished, and as the camera repositioned for extra shots, Keegan - still wearing her microphone - criticised others and claimed the government has gone "over and above" in addressing concerns relating to reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete (Raac).

"Does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a f***ing good job because everyone else has sat on their a**** and done nothing," Ms Keegan said.

1andrew1 04-09-2023 14:33
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By election claxon time!

Quote:
Mr Pincher has lost his appeal against an eight-week suspension following allegations he drunkenly groped two men at London’s Carlton Club last year.

It paves the way for a potential by-election in the former deputy chief whip’s Tamworth seat, since he looks certain to face a recall petition in her constituency.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...53fae68&ei=145

TheDaddy 04-09-2023 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36159675)
Really, she wants a pat on the back, these people never tire of finding new ways to disappoint you, it's almost as if the governments of the last 13 years weren't tory or is she saying each time they oust an incompetent from the top job everything resets and it's nothing to do with me guv, it was like that when I got here

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36159676)
Her?

pip08456 04-09-2023 15:34
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I fairness the other incumbents have sat on their f***ing ar**es and should be brought to account. That's a different story though.

The issue now is what is going to be done about it?

Mr K 04-09-2023 16:29
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
A Govt in meltdown , and we potentially have another year of it. Oh joy.....

Ms NTL 04-09-2023 16:48
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36159679)
I fairness the other incumbents have sat on their f***ing ar**es and should be brought to account. That's a different story though.

The issue now is what is going to be done about it?
Michael Gove, several months ago, told us (and it has been confirmed) that the funding to rebuild Frimley Park Hospital and the local schools that are affected with the RAAC problem has been secured/approved. Surrey Heath is in the planning stage. Well ahead of you...

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/nhs-hospi...113010736.html

The rest of you, can find a politician with the integrity of Gove to sort yourselves.

:sick:

Ms NTL 05-09-2023 00:31
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36159682)
Michael Gove, several months ago, told us (and it has been confirmed) that the funding to rebuild Frimley Park Hospital and the local schools that are affected with the RAAC problem has been secured/approved. Surrey Heath is in the planning stage. Well ahead of you...

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/nhs-hospi...113010736.html

The rest of you, can find a politician with the integrity of Gove to sort yourselves.

:sick:
It took us years to get rid of the conservatives at the Surrey Heath council, now, what chance do we have to get rid of Gove? the levelling up minister.....

denphone 05-09-2023 08:21
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36159680)
A Govt in meltdown , and we potentially have another year of it. Oh joy.....
This is a good blog as to why nothing works in this country anymore.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...works-anymore/

Damien 05-09-2023 09:29
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
You know the Government is doing well when they send out promotional messages like this on their official twitter account:

https://i.imgur.com/Ook1rV1.png

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And the then Schools Minister was admitted Suank cut the school repair program from 200 to 50: https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status...71134547358055

GrimUpNorth 05-09-2023 16:41
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Well I'm sure there'll be some nice lucrative building contracts up for grabs on the back of the collapsing schools scandal. Let's hope the contracts are let in a transparent way.

jfman 05-09-2023 16:45
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36159705)
Well I'm sure there'll be some nice lucrative building contracts up for grabs on the back of the collapsing schools scandal. Let's hope the contracts are let in a transparent way.
Probably to new companies set up by the same cowboys who did job first time round.

Damien 05-09-2023 16:50
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Some of these schools were built along time ago I think, before the risks were known, so I think we can forgive the developers of the time for it.

The bigger failings are some of these schools should have been rebuilt anyway, the Government canned the big rebuilding project when they got into office, and why did they take so long to act when it became clear this was a big problem a few years ago? Why wait until the start of a school term in 2023 when they've known for several years this was a risk?

GrimUpNorth 05-09-2023 23:49
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
This made me smile.

https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1...516242007?s=19

peanut 06-09-2023 07:37
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Millions of long term sick will be waking up this morning with severe anxiety....

(Disability and illness benefit changes 'proposed') Those that claim will (probably/proposed) be made to look for work or be sanctioned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66725232

Yeah good luck with that...

TheDaddy 06-09-2023 13:41
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36159675)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36159677)
Really, she wants a pat on the back, these people never tire of finding new ways to disappoint you, it's almost as if the governments of the last 13 years weren't tory or is she saying each time they oust an incompetent from the top job everything resets and it's nothing to do with me guv, it was like that when I got here
Well, well, well, three months ago 1 million quid of the schools rebuilding budget was given to a company where Gillian Keegan's husband is a director, bet she wants a pat on the back for that now too, seriously how hard can it be to give the money to people you aren't married to

jfman 06-09-2023 14:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
A banana republic with a King and no bananas.

Hugh 07-09-2023 09:44
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Another by-election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-66739410

Quote:
Former Tory whip Chris Pincher has said he has "made arrangements to resign and leave the Commons" after losing his appeal against an eight-week suspension over groping allegations.

It means the government will face another by-election.

The Parliament's standards committee had said his "completely inappropriate" behaviour was an "abuse of power".

denphone 18-09-2023 12:35
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Liz Truss the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2413469.html

daveeb 18-09-2023 12:41
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36160260)
Liz Truss the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2413469.html
If she was a gift she'd be socks, in your least favourite colour and two sizes too small. :rolleyes:

Mr K 18-09-2023 16:12
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36160260)
Liz Truss the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2413469.html
Hasn't she been sectioned yet ? I know the NHS is stretched but she's an extreme case.

denphone 18-09-2023 16:31
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160278)
Hasn't she been sectioned yet ? I know the NHS is stretched but she's an extreme case.
She is blaming the new dangerous left wing part of the Tory party now.:D

1andrew1 18-09-2023 18:26
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36160260)
Liz Truss the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2413469.html
She's Starmer's useful idiot. :dunce:

Hugh 18-09-2023 18:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160289)
She's Starmer's useful idiot. :dunce:
"Starmer’s useful" is a strange way to spell "an"… ;)

denphone 19-09-2023 15:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Some pretty dire polling numbers for the Conservatives released by IPSOS today.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...rts_PUBLIC.pdf

Hugh 20-09-2023 18:58
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1695232195

Nothing says "Long Term Decisions" than reading documents, in a suit and tie, on a bench on the USS Midway, which is a floating museum in San Diego Harbour*, whilst you were there in March 2023…

https://www.midway.org/exhibits-acti...s/f-14-tomcat/

*I recognised the F-14 Tomcat, as we visited San Diego (and the Midway) a couple of years sgo

Chris 20-09-2023 19:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
A retired jet on the deck of a retired ship. Message?

1andrew1 20-09-2023 20:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160407)
A retired jet on the deck of a retired ship. Message?
California dreaming?

Hugh 23-09-2023 21:18
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3...a03c35b2b346a0

Quote:
Rishi Sunak is drawing up plans to slash inheritance tax, which his officials have called “the most hated tax in Britain”.

Cutting the levy before eventually abolishing it entirely is one of a raft of crowd-pleasing announcements being considered before next month’s Conservative Party conference.

As part of his pledge to announce a series of long-term decisions designed to change Britain, Sunak would frame the policy as an “aspirational offer to voters” ahead of the general election.

Inheritance tax is charged at 40 per cent for estates worth more than £325,000, with an extra £175,000 allowance towards a main residence if it is passed to children or grandchildren. A married couple can share their allowance, meaning parents can pass on £1 million to their children without any tax being paid...

… The most recent Treasury figures show that only 3.76 per cent of UK deaths result in an inheritance tax charge. However, YouGov polling for The Times suggests that people significantly overestimate their likelihood of having to pay. About a third (31 per cent) of people think that their assets will be enough to attract inheritance tax when they die, and 15 per cent expect to receive an inheritance large enough to attract the tax. Only 5 per cent of voters said the threshold for inheritance tax was £1 million.
This would, on the latest figures available, benefit 27,000 estates…

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ics-commentary

In totally unrelated news, if Inheritance tax was abolished, Rishi Sinai’s daughters would be £290 million better off when he died…

Pierre 23-09-2023 21:35
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36160543)
In totally unrelated news, if Inheritance tax was abolished, Rishi Sinai’s daughters would be £290 million better off when he died…
Who gives a flying….

Inheritance tax is a racket. Everything I have amounted throughout my life, in which I have not ever had a day unemployed, the only money ever received was £10K from my late mothers very small estate, otherwise not received a penny that I didn’t earn.

I’ve been taxed on everything I have already earned, on some things multiple times. What gives the state the right to tax me again when I want to pass on my hard work to my kids so they have a decent start. That’s what I’ve worked for.

If Rishi scraps inheritance tax, along with his roll back on net-zero, he’s going the right way. With any luck he’ll come up with more. He might even get a hung Parliament if he’s lucky.

Chris 23-09-2023 21:42
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
This week’s diarrhoea of policy announcements is looking increasingly like a core-vote strategy, in a desperate attempt to avoid them getting wiped out at the next general election. I can’t believe he thinks inheritance tax cuts actually have broad appeal.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36160544)
I’ve been taxed on everything I have already earned, on some things multiple times. What gives the state the right to tax me again when I want to pass on my hard work to my kids so they have a decent start. That’s what I’ve worked for.
You haven’t been taxed on the truly colossal capital gain you’ve made on your family home (assuming you’ve been a mortgage-paying homeowner, and I’m pretty sure you have).

A massive chunk of the wealth inequality in this country arises from Boomers and Gen X’s who got on the property ladder before the mid 1990s when an average home was worth three times average wages (or less). Today it’s in excess of 7 times average wages.

You didn’t earn that. Neither did I. Both of us have benefited from government policy deliberately crafted to make private homes into assets, and to generate a sense of wealth.

Pierre 23-09-2023 22:30
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160545)
This week’s diarrhoea of policy announcements is looking increasingly like a core-vote strategy, in a desperate attempt to avoid them getting wiped out at the next general election. I can’t believe he thinks inheritance tax cuts actually have broad appeal.
Well it works for me. I hope in their desperation they come up with more stuff.

Rishi, should be treating every other month as giveaway month. There’s loads of stuff he could do, cheaply too.

The majority Labour has to overturn is so big, the Tories just need to hang on to a few of those seats, and we get a Labour govt without a majority, or less likely a hung parliament.

Rishi, should shamelessly go on the offensive.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160545)
You haven’t been taxed on the truly colossal capital gain you’ve made on your family home (assuming you’ve been a mortgage-paying homeowner, and I’m pretty sure you have).
“Colossal”…..let’s not assume anything Chris, we both know where that leads.

We bought our current property in 2008, ( I wasn’t going to give actual values but I think I will, and everyone can judge me) at the height of the market for £400K, and everything went south. Probably lost a third or more of its value. But we we weren’t selling, so We spent around £250K extending and converting.

In the last 15yrs we’ve spent at least another 200K. At least, probably more. Improving the curtilage of the property. Not forgetting how much you spend just maintaining everything. Not to sell on as an investment, but to enjoy and for my families future enjoyment and security.

We’re not finished, currently redoing the bathrooms, and I hope to do more, maybe even build an Annexe, but i reckon we’ve spent well over a million and more, upgrading and maintenance.

The property, is probably only worth about a million. This is Yorkshire a stone barn with near an acre of land. Not a 3 bed semi on London probably worth more. So I’ve made no money, and not looked to make money. It’s about quality.

So don’t tell me I’ve made a colossal amount of money when I haven’t.

And I have paid tax when I bought it, and on everything I’ve done to it ever since. And I shouldn’t have to pay tax when my kids get it.

Chris 23-09-2023 23:06
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36160547)

So don’t tell me I’ve made a colossal amount of money when I haven’t.
Fair point in your case. In mine, as things stand when I am mortgage free I am likely to have an asset worth about 2.5 - 3x the total I’ve paid in mortgage and interest on 3 houses over about 35 years. And I am no DIY fan. All I’ve ever done is maintenance, I’ve never done anything deliberately to improve any house I’ve lived in.

At a population level my point stands. There is a vast, vast pool of unearned wealth in primary residences that are exempt from capital gains and are in real terms worth enormously more than when their owners purchased them. Our generation, and our parents, absolutely have coined it in, not only from the cash value of our homes increasing but from spells of inflation in the 1980s and again today, inflating away the mortgage burden.

The only sort of tax anyone ever pays on any of this is stamp duty, although this is a tax on purchase of property, not a tax on the value of the one they’re selling.

Notwithstanding any of the above, the abolition of inheritance tax wouldn’t have a revolutionary effect on you or me. It would however make a massive difference to the super-rich few, who already enjoy a great deal of unearned privilege thanks in no small regard to unearned wealth. The real societal benefit of a functional inheritance tax regime isn’t the amount of money it brings in in any given year but in its capacity to limit the development of a society where power and influence is concentrated in the hands of those whose great grandparents did something worthwhile.

Pierre 23-09-2023 23:41
Re: The Chronicles of Rishing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160554)
At a population level my point stands.
Don’t disagree. I think within the M25 absolutely. Outside of that the results are far more variable depending on location.

Quote:
Our generation, and our parents, absolutely have coined it in, not only from the cash value of our homes increasing but from spells of inflation in the 1980s and again today, inflating away the mortgage burden.
Again, I think that is a massive generalisation. My parents left me £10K, welcome, but they did not coin it in. My spouse……….nothing yet, but her mother just diagnosed with dementia we are expecting her legacy to be spent in care costs. Your assertion may be true in some circumstances but it is by no means the rule, and I find you attitude……quite flippant.

Quote:
The only sort of tax anyone ever pays on any of this is stamp duty, although this is a tax on purchase of property, not a tax on the value of the one they’re selling.
That’s just wrong, factually incorrect and disingenuous.

The purchase of the property is just the first thing in the life of ownership. Absolutely everything after buying the property is taxed……everything.

You tell me anything that I pay for in regards to the property after the initial purchase, that is tax free.

Quote:
Notwithstanding any of the above, the abolition of inheritance tax wouldn’t have a revolutionary effect on you or me.
It would help my kids

Quote:
It would however make a massive difference to the super-rich few, who already enjoy a great deal of unearned privilege thanks in no small regard to unearned wealth.

In that case, define “super rich” and deal with it, rather than go after the working class that have worked and are trying pass on their efforts to their kids.

Quote:
The real societal benefit of a functional inheritance tax regime isn’t the amount of money it brings in in any given year but in its capacity to limit the development of a society where power and influence is concentrated in the hands of those whose great grandparents did something worthwhile.
Forget grand parents, what about “parents”?

I had a shit childhood, in Thatchers Britain in Liverpool, in the 80’s.

I left Liverpool in 89 as a teenager, and I’ve worked my bollocks off, with my wife, to transcend that, to give my kids, that are only 12 & 8 a better start in life than I had, and hopefully have chance to get on in a really difficult world, and you seem to advocate penalising that.

You seem to be making it out that I, and others like me, are akin to Jacob Rees-Mogg.

You need to take a step back, and rethink your position.

This is the issue with inheritance tax, it’s a blunt instrument.

Chris 23-09-2023 23:57
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
I am intimately familiar with the Liverpool of the 1980s, though to be honest a trip to the Littlewoods basement cafe in Church Street was a major treat compared to our usual forays around Birkenhead Market.

Your argument about tax paid on the things you buy for your house is besides the point. Unfortunately you chose to cut out the part of my post where I pointed out that I stand to have massively increased the value of my home simply by living in it in the long term and doing only what has been absolutely necessary to maintain it. I get that you’ve bought a fixer-upper and feel aggrieved at the idea of inheritance tax eating away at some of the capital you’ve invested in it but I still say you’re making yourself, as an outlier, to be too much of a case study. I don’t believe your experience is typical of the majority. Nor do I think it’s in any way confined to the south east of England. Even in the 1980s there were houses with swimming pools in the leafier Merseyside suburbs, some of them within walking distance of the Grammar school I was lucky enough to attend.

And if you’re going to accuse me of being flippant, maybe don’t do it in the same post as suggesting I’m characterising you as Jacob Rees-Mogg. ;)

Enough, anyway. Bedtime.

Pierre 24-09-2023 00:19
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160556)
Enough, anyway. Bedtime.
Agreed, just come in from taking the dog out.

I don’t think we’re a million miles apart.

I just think there should be a better solution than inheritance tax, as it stands.

ianch99 24-09-2023 13:40
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Let's be clear, the "super rich" are really not in this IHT discussion. They are wealthy enough to have ways & means to circumvent this - look at the Duke of Westminster and his £9bn inheritance as an example.

The real problem for the rest of us is there are enough people, predominantly Tory voters, who only care about themselves and their own. This is who Sunak is targeting here.

Sephiroth 24-09-2023 15:04
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160409)
California dreaming?
All the leaves are brown ....

heero_yuy 24-09-2023 15:09
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160568)
All the leaves are brown ....
There's a patch of snow on the ground.

1andrew1 24-09-2023 15:12
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
I don't think this will be a major concern financially for the Conservatives but symbolic is that there a political cost to delaying climate change policies.

Quote:
Major donor won't back Tories after net zero U-turn

The former biggest donor to the Tories has revealed why he will not be donating any more money to the party after Rishi Sunak's net zero U-turn.

Mr Caudwell criticised the delayed petrol and diesel car ban, urging investment in environmental tech to boost GDP while tackling climate change.

John Caudwell, founder of Phones4u, donated £500,000 to the party before the 2019 election. The former will be far more electorally palatable than the latter.

He told Sky News: "I'll donate if I feel strongly enough about the issues that are in force in that day, the way the Tories are performing at the moment.

"It's not just a question of whether I donate, it's a question of whether I support by my vote. And that's a very depressing situation since I believed in Tory policies and principles for the whole of my life. Now I find myself diverging away from those principles because of this climatic issue which we can bury a head in the sand if we want to."
https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...forms-12593360

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36160557)
Agreed, just come in from taking the dog out.

I don’t think we’re a million miles apart.

I just think there should be a better solution than inheritance tax, as it stands.
I think there's a world of difference in abolishing inheritance tax on estates say up to £900k and abolishing it entirely

TheDaddy 24-09-2023 16:34
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160570)
I think there's a world of difference in abolishing inheritance tax on estates say up to £900k and abolishing it entirely
Exactly, lets be honest how much of a leg up do people need, £900k tax free and it isn't enough, meanwhile the shysters and spivs that routinely rip the back out of the rest of us are laughing, exactly as they do when some useful idiot compares ISA's to aggressive tax avoidance schemes, they're not playing the same game as the rest of us in anything

Sephiroth 24-09-2023 16:56
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36160572)
Exactly, lets be honest how much of a leg up do people need, £900k tax free and it isn't enough, meanwhile the shysters and spivs that routinely rip the back out of the rest of us are laughing, exactly as they do when some useful idiot compares ISA's to aggressive tax avoidance schemes, they're not playing the same game as the rest of us in anything
"Shysters" and "spivs" should not be implied attributes of honest people who have worked hard to build their assets or who have inherited property passed down from their parents. The £1m threshold has been artificially manipulated by fiscal drag to dip into more pockets than before. The tax is totally immoral and the damn Trots shouldn't be looking over their shoulders at hard working, successful families. Politics of envy leads to violent revolution sometimes.

Damien 24-09-2023 16:59
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
I would prefer higher inheritance tax and lower income tax personally. Especially to help pay for an expansion of social care.

jfman 24-09-2023 17:18
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36160575)
I would prefer higher inheritance tax and lower income tax personally. Especially to help pay for an expansion of social care.
Moving the tax burden from the dead to the living does seem an odd move.

Pierre 24-09-2023 18:45
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160570)
I don't think this will be a major concern financially for the Conservatives but symbolic is that there a political cost to delaying climate change policies
Quote:
Mr Caudwell criticised the delayed petrol and diesel car ban, urging investment in environmental tech to boost GDP while tackling climate change
I’m sure Mr Caudwell is very based when it comes to the environment. I’m sure he doesn’t gad about on Yachts and private jets/ helicopters, whilst preaching to the poor about their ways.

Oh….well never mind.

https://www.boatinternational.com/lu...titania--38841

https://quote.org/quote/i-have-a-hel...t-i-use-400245

---------- Post added at 18:45 ---------- Previous post was at 18:34 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160577)
Moving the tax burden from the dead to the living does seem an odd move.
It would be nice to see the tax we pay spent a bit better. Regardless of who pays it.

jfman 24-09-2023 18:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
You won't find me defending the Conservative's handling of the economy over the last 13 years.

Mr K 24-09-2023 19:14
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
The IHT thing just shows how totally out if touch they are. It affects very few, who vote Tory anyway.

May it's a case of 'our time is up, and let's stuff our pockets whilst we can'.

Sephiroth 24-09-2023 19:32
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160585)
The IHT thing just shows how totally out if touch they are. It affects very few, who vote Tory anyway.

May it's a case of 'our time is up, and let's stuff our pockets whilst we can'.
Utter, total rubbish. Ordinary people with assets > £1m are not the greedy bustards that you and The Daddy put forward. The taxation instrument is too blunt to be fair, particularly when the useless government can drag people into the net by fiscal drag.

The millionaires aren't affected by this - just ordinary people.

Mr K 24-09-2023 20:03
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160586)
Utter, total rubbish. Ordinary people with assets > £1m are not the greedy bustards that you and The Daddy put forward. The taxation instrument is too blunt to be fair, particularly when the useless government can drag people into the net by fiscal drag.

The millionaires aren't affected by this - just ordinary people.
Another that's divorced from reality..

Ordinary people don't give a flying fig about IHT. Even if you're affected by you're still doing OK, to say the least.

The cost of living, public services, the NHS, housing are the main concerns of the populace. But this Govt will sacrifice that of they can cut 1p off income tax in a pre election bribe.

They are totally deluded and it's why they are going to lose the next election badly.

OLD BOY 24-09-2023 20:34
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160587)
Another that's divorced from reality..

Ordinary people don't give a flying fig about IHT. Even if you're affected by you're still doing OK, to say the least.

The cost of living, public services, the NHS, housing are the main concerns of the populace. But this Govt will sacrifice that of they can cut 1p off income tax in a pre election bribe.

They are totally deluded and it's why they are going to lose the next election badly.
Your ‘ordinary people’ do not have such tax assets and are therefore ‘All right, Jack’.

The point you are missing is that these assets have already been taxed, so why tax them again? It’s ludicrous.


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