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1andrew1 29-09-2023 13:16
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160892)
The only thing dying here is any sense of irony.
I think Seph is pitching for a presenter's role at GB News. :D

The presenter opportunities are coming fast and furious at GB News! Calvin Robinson says he has now been suspended by the channel, perhaps for showing solidarity with Comrade Wootton?
Quote:
Robinson had said he would not appear on Wootton's show without him, saying: "Our bosses are scared. Afraid of Ofcom, afraid of the woke mob"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-66958077

Hugh 29-09-2023 13:18
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160892)
The only thing dying here is any sense of irony.
To repeat something I posted earlier this month (when Murdoch railed against the "elites" in his "resignation" letter).

"Irony has jumped the tracks, careened down the embankment, crashed through a circus, drove over a mink farm, and finally plowed into a protected wetland where it rolled over, leaking oil, and exploded, raining down smoking clown shrapnel and flaming weasels over the countryside.*

*@stonekettle

Sephiroth 29-09-2023 14:11
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160890)
When a TV channel hires senior members of the ruling political party to interview its own ministers in place of independent professional journalists, democracy is dying. The UK needs an independent media to hold its politicians to account, not the governing party interviewing itself.

I don’t see it like that. Freedom of expression is a self defining thing.

To your point, what independent media would that be? In the case of GB News, its enemies would in any case bombard OFCOM with complaints. The playing field is in sufficiently level.

I’m no fan of the government but I’d like to see some judicial fairness here.

Hugh 29-09-2023 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160905)

I don’t see it like that. [b]Freedom of expression is a self defining thing.[‘b]

To your point, what independent media would that be? In the case of GB News, its enemies would in any case bombard OFCOM with complaints. The playing field is in sufficiently level.

I’m no fan of the government but I’d like to see some judicial fairness here.
And sometimes it’s defined by the Deputy Chairman of the ruling Political Party being paid £100,000 a year for 8 hours work per week…

Chris 29-09-2023 14:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160905)

I don’t see it like that. Freedom of expression is a self defining thing.

To your point, what independent media would that be? In the case of GB News, its enemies would in any case bombard OFCOM with complaints. The playing field is in sufficiently level.

I’m no fan of the government but I’d like to see some judicial fairness here.
Freedom of expression on broadcast TV and Radio is and always has been regulated, particularly with regards to impartiality. From the outset our sovereign parliament has recognised the danger inherent in the unregulated broadcast of political messaging, given its ability to reach so many so quickly, in addition to its high access costs which tend to make it anything but a level playing field.

Nothing has changed or died in that regard, except that GBN has been trying to push the boundaries of acceptable conduct and has rightly been found wanting.

Itshim 29-09-2023 14:33
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160909)
Freedom of expression on broadcast TV and Radio is and always has been regulated, particularly with regards to impartiality. From the outset our sovereign parliament has recognised the danger inherent in the unregulated broadcast of political messaging, given its ability to reach so many so quickly, in addition to its high access costs which tend to make it anything but a level playing field.

Nothing has changed or died in that regard, except that GBN has been trying to push the boundaries of acceptable conduct and has rightly been found wanting.
Or put another way you can say what you like as long as we like it :erm:

Chris 29-09-2023 14:44
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36160910)
Or put another way you can say what you like as long as we like it :erm:
Er, no, that’s nothing like another way of describing impartiality.

ianch99 29-09-2023 15:24
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160886)

I know that Ian is a rabid anti-Tory leftie who revels in awkwardness for GB News
You like me really :D

1andrew1 29-09-2023 15:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160905)

I don’t see it like that. Freedom of expression is a self defining thing.

To your point, what independent media would that be? In the case of GB News, its enemies would in any case bombard OFCOM with complaints. The playing field is in sufficiently level.

I’m no fan of the government but I’d like to see some judicial fairness here.
I said independent professional journalists. They can be right-wing journalists like Andrew Neill but they need to be independent by not being an MP nor holding a position of power in a political party.

I'm not sure that because GB News oversteps the boundaries quite a lot (qv Fox and Wootton recently) and therefore attracts complaints, we have to compensate for that incompetence by allowing politicians of one party to interview one another to provide a level playing field of judicial fairness.

Sephiroth 29-09-2023 15:56
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36160914)
You like me really :D
Of course.

Hugh 29-09-2023 23:17
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Lozza’s taking it well…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1696025757

Mick 30-09-2023 04:32
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I see the usual whinging members of this channel, still whining about it, it’s easy, don’t watch it.

It seems it was okay on Piers Morgan’s show for a guest to deride Sam Smith, would you want to shag that, crickets from you lot.

And those of you peddling mistruths on viewing figures, it regular beats Sky News and BBC News 24 and Talk TV combined, of course all the other media outlets, calling for its shutdown, it’s because GBN are the competition.

While we are here, there had been far worse things said, Jo Brand said the milk thrown on Farage should have been acid, all the complaints to Ofcom, they didn’t find fault, the BBC hid the antics of Jimmy Saville for decades, it was a dirty little secret, so while you’re snivelling snide remarks about a startup station that is doing well audience wise, fastest online growing brand, remember none of the others are perfect, so why shouldn’t they be shut down?

jfman 30-09-2023 07:06
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160966)
I see the usual whinging members of this channel, still whining about it, it’s easy, don’t watch it.

It seems it was okay on Piers Morgan’s show for a guest to deride Sam Smith, would you want to shag that, crickets from you lot.

And those of you peddling mistruths on viewing figures, it regular beats Sky News and BBC News 24 and Talk TV combined, of course all the other media outlets, calling for its shutdown, it’s because GBN are the competition.

While we are here, there had been far worse things said, Jo Brand said the milk thrown on Farage should have been acid, all the complaints to Ofcom, they didn’t find fault, the BBC hid the antics of Jimmy Saville for decades, it was a dirty little secret, so while you’re snivelling snide remarks about a startup station that is doing well audience wise, fastest online growing brand, remember none of the others are perfect, so why shouldn’t they be shut down?
Is the difference not that Jo Brand is a professional comedian, making statements for entertainment purposes, on a recognised comedy show?

If GB News is a serious news channel (not a concession I’d make but I’ll pretend for once) surely they should broadcast news and not who Lawrence Fox would (or would not) shag?

If only GB News were broadcasting the news rather than generating it switching off would be an answer.

ianch99 30-09-2023 09:15
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160967)
Is the difference not that Jo Brand is a professional comedian, making statements for entertainment purposes, on a recognised comedy show?

If GB News is a serious news channel (not a concession I’d make but I’ll pretend for once) surely they should broadcast news and not who Lawrence Fox would (or would not) shag?

If only GB News were broadcasting the news rather than generating it switching off would be an answer.
Given it is the Propaganda wing of the Tory Party, it has no credibility being an objective News channel

Mick 30-09-2023 11:31
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And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160967)
Is the difference not that Jo Brand is a professional comedian, making statements for entertainment purposes, on a recognised comedy show?

If GB News is a serious news channel (not a concession I’d make but I’ll pretend for once) surely they should broadcast news and not who Lawrence Fox would (or would not) shag?

If only GB News were broadcasting the news rather than generating it switching off would be an answer.
Correction, she WAS a comedian. She’s now a divisive pathetic entity & it’s sad because I did find her funny but she crossed a line.

So you condone violence - got it.

jfman 30-09-2023 11:39
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So you condone censorship, as long as it's people you don't agree with - got it.

I'm quite sure she went on to say she disagreed with the Farage milkshake incident, I fail to see what's actually objectionable. It's just more whataboutery because the lads at GB News are all getting sacked.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 11:50
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:.
GB News undermines itself by having serving MPs host its programmes and act as shock jocks. News channels from the BBC and Sky just do not do this.

In terms of nut jobs, the best example of of this I've seen was the unchallenged interview with the deranged Naomi Wolf. She claimed that the vaccine roll-out was comparable with the actions of “doctors in pre-Nazi Germany”. No prizes for guessing which channel that was on!

Russ 30-09-2023 13:01
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160966)
I see the usual whinging members of this channel, still whining about it, it’s easy, don’t watch it.
And that exactly sums it up for me. I wouldn't s**t over my self-dignity by wasting my time watching that pathetic excuse of a channel. They cater to a particular section of the audience out there, so for those who like that kind of thing, that's the kind of thing they like.

But when they stir up a hornet's nest (sometimes accidentally, no doubt occasionally deliberately) it ends up getting reported on other channels and media.

So whereas advising us to not watch GB News is one option, that isn't really a sensible or viable way to stop seeing/hearing people "whinging". If you (generically, not personally) choose to watch a channel/show/presenter who makes contentious points then you're just going to have to accept people are going to criticise them, the show or the channel.

Mr K 30-09-2023 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:
You should apply to be a replacement presenter Mick, you sound like you'd fit in there ;)

( don't recall C4 being investigated by Ofcom as much for continually breaking the rules )

Sephiroth 30-09-2023 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160925)
I said independent professional journalists. They can be right-wing journalists like Andrew Neill but they need to be independent by not being an MP nor holding a position of power in a political party.

I'm not sure that because GB News oversteps the boundaries quite a lot (qv Fox and Wootton recently) and therefore attracts complaints, we have to compensate for that incompetence by allowing politicians of one party to interview one another to provide a level playing field of judicial fairness.

Well, you didn’t. You said ‘an independent media’ - different things. What you also didn’t say was ‘…an independent media (as in not the BBC) …’ .

But you were clearly pointing at journalists, so I understand your point, at least in respect of Fox. But if the lefties would have their way, there’d be no voice for, e.e. Farage. That’s not democratic.

Mick 30-09-2023 17:30
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36160983)
And that exactly sums it up for me. I wouldn't s**t over my self-dignity by wasting my time watching that pathetic excuse of a channel. They cater to a particular section of the audience out there, so for those who like that kind of thing, that's the kind of thing they like.

But when they stir up a hornet's nest (sometimes accidentally, no doubt occasionally deliberately) it ends up getting reported on other channels and media.

So whereas advising us to not watch GB News is one option, that isn't really a sensible or viable way to stop seeing/hearing people "whinging". If you (generically, not personally) choose to watch a channel/show/presenter who makes contentious points then you're just going to have to accept people are going to criticise them, the show or the channel.
And the Guardian/channel 4 caters to left wing nut jobs.

None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:

My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160978)
So you condone censorship, as long as it's people you don't agree with - got it.

I'm quite sure she went on to say she disagreed with the Farage milkshake incident, I fail to see what's actually objectionable. It's just more whataboutery because the lads at GB News are all getting sacked.
I condemn nonces that the BBC failed to act on for decades. But good to see your ignorance in full flow.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160984)
You should apply to be a replacement presenter Mick, you sound like you'd fit in there ;)

( don't recall C4 being investigated by Ofcom as much for continually breaking the rules )
Perhaps you should do some research, they had a weirdo on there playing a musical instrument with his penis. That went beyond any common decency.

Oh and one of their News presenters was caught in an off guarded expletive beginning with C against an MP.

Russ 30-09-2023 17:33
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:
I didn’t realise we were required to address that point but I’ll have a go. The Sun is the most popular paper in the UK, does that automatically mean it’s any good?

It may well have high figures - I’m not interested enough in the channel to find out. So they tap in to the zeitgeist held by a number of people. Again, just because a large number of people believe something doesn’t automatically mean they’re right or their opinions are correct.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.
Of course they had many dirty secrets and you’d be hard pushed to find a broadcaster that didn’t/doesnt.

I pretty sure you’re intelligent enough to be aware that the longer an institution has been around, the Law of Averages would suggest the more skeletons in the closet they have. I’m not saying GB News needs to close down (although I wouldn’t miss them if they did) but if we’re both still around come back in about 50 years and see how many dirty secrets they have hoarded.

jfman 30-09-2023 17:43
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The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.

Is this really one of the supposed greatest thinkers of right wing politics?

Everything else is irrelevant.

Russ 30-09-2023 17:49
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.
Ah right, I didn’t realise I that (I have little interest in following this thread).

But yes I think that’s a very reasonable expectation of anyone who has attempted to defend GB News.

Mick 30-09-2023 17:54
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36160991)
I didn’t realise we were required to address that point but I’ll have a go. The Sun is the most popular paper in the UK, does that automatically mean it’s any good?

It may well have high figures - I’m not interested enough in the channel to find out. So they tap in to the zeitgeist held by a number of people. Again, just because a large number of people believe something doesn’t automatically mean they’re right or their opinions are correct.



Of course they had many dirty secrets and you’d be hard pushed to find a broadcaster that didn’t/doesnt.

I pretty sure you’re intelligent enough to be aware that the longer an institution has been around, the Law of Averages would suggest the more skeletons in the closet they have. I’m not saying GB News needs to close down (although I wouldn’t miss them if they did) but if we’re both still around come back in about 50 years and see how many dirty secrets they have hoarded.
You’re missing the point Russ, after the saville scandal to rock the BBC, it should have been shut down or at least, had that stupid archaic law of having a TV license scrapped.

Chris 30-09-2023 17:58
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160994)
You’re missing the point Russ, after the saville scandal to rock the BBC, it should have been shut down or at least, had that stupid archaic law of having a TV license scrapped.
That’s not the point at all. That’s ‘whataboutery’ - trying to dodge the point by moving the debate onto something else.

Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.

Mick 30-09-2023 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.

Is this really one of the supposed greatest thinkers of right wing politics?

Everything else is irrelevant.
If you’re asking me if I agree with Lozza’s comments, I don’t, I am just pointing out the rank hypocrisy that exists in this thread, other broadcasters abysmal failings, but GBNews bad.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160996)
That’s not the point at all. That’s ‘whataboutery’ - trying to dodge the point by moving the debate onto something else.

Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.
Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.

Russ 30-09-2023 18:23
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I’m pretty certain you won’t give 2 shits about this but admitting to “whataboutery” then you’re more or less confessing to skirting the issue but ok

Chris 30-09-2023 18:27
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160997)
If you’re asking me if I agree with Lozza’s comments, I don’t, I am just pointing out the rank hypocrisy that exists in this thread, other broadcasters abysmal failings, but GBNews bad.

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Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.
Mick … sorry for teaching granny to suck eggs here, but this is a topic-based discussion forum. There’s nothing hypocritical about sticking to the topic denoted by the thread title. You’re being quite unfair to other posters here, accusing them of moral failing when the only thing they’re manifestly doing is discussing the topic as set.

There’s absolutely nothing stopping anyone starting a thread called ‘cancel the nonce-enabling BBC’ if they want, but nobody should be criticised for not starting that thread.

Hugh 30-09-2023 18:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
And the Guardian/channel 4 caters to left wing nut jobs.

None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:

My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.

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I condemn nonces that the BBC failed to act on for decades. But good to see your ignorance in full flow.

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Perhaps you should do some research, they had a weirdo on there playing a musical instrument with his penis. That went beyond any common decency.

Oh and one of their News presenters was caught in an off guarded expletive beginning with C against an MP.
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.14
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/

jfman 30-09-2023 18:59
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161002)
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.1 4
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/
It’s somewhat ironic that the defence of GB News and generally sticking up for it requires the, presumably wilful, ignorance of facts.

Pierre 30-09-2023 19:10
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman
Of course it isn’t.

Fox overstepped the line, it was odious and Misogynistic. Anyone that tries to defend him or Wooton is an imbecile.

All of that said. None of what I have said above in anyway means the channel should be shut down.

(It also wasn’t a “news broadcast” is was an opinion show.)

And that the BBC had Adam Boulton and some Tory MP on saying that it should be shut down is telling.

I don’t like Fox, never seen Wooton to form an opinion, but I do like to watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners & Free speech nation.

Just because some renta-gob mouths off doesn’t mean a channel should be cancelled, I can understand the whataboutism but it’s not necessary, if GB news was to be shut down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.

No laws broken, broadcasting standards may have been breached which can be addressed but the ultimate arbiter is the viewer, and GB news has healthy viewing figures.

ianch99 30-09-2023 19:23
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:
Yes, I had a point as you well know. A TV "News" channel having multiple members of the current Government having shows where they push the Government spin together with cosy chats where they "interview" each other, give me a break!

The channel is a parody of credibility. It may suit your world view but don't for one minute claim it is an objective News channel.

jfman 30-09-2023 19:30
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161005)
Of course it isn’t.

Fox overstepped the line, it was odious and Misogynistic. Anyone that tries to defend him or Wooton is an imbecile.

All of that said. None of what I have said above in anyway means the channel should be shut down.

(It also wasn’t a “news broadcast” is was an opinion show.)

And that the BBC had Adam Boulton and some Tory MP on saying that it should be shut down is telling.

I don’t like Fox, never seen Wooton to form an opinion, but I do like to watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners & Free speech nation.

Just because some renta-gob mouths off does mean a channel should be cancelled, I can understand the whataboutism but it’s not necessary, if GB news was to be should down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.

No laws broken, broadcasting standards may have been breached which can be addressed but the ultimate arbiter is the viewer, and GB news has healthy viewing figures.
An opinion based programme or discussion programme on a news channel is clearly a news broadcast. It could hardly be described as comedy.

Ofcom are the ultimate arbiter on whether broadcasting standards have been breached. GB News - as their employer - similarly have a role in determining whether Fox or Wooton have breached the reasonable standards they expect. The latter has acted decisively, and that is to be welcomed.

The fact viewers watch is neither here nor there.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 19:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160985)

Well, you didn’t. You said ‘an independent media’ - different things. What you also didn’t say was ‘…an independent media (as in not the BBC) …’ .

But you were clearly pointing at journalists, so I understand your point, at least in respect of Fox. But if the lefties would have their way, there’d be no voice for, e.e. Farage. That’s not democratic.
I said both, thereby confusing matters!

I mean independent of the government which GB News cannot be with its MP presenters. It's healthy to have other broadcasters than the BBC which can be swayed less by government.

In terms of balance, outside the more tightly-regulated PSBs, you have the centre right Sky News then two right-wing channels: Talk TV and GB News. If GB News went out of business, I'm confident that Talk TV would employ Farage asap.

In terms of that broadcasting landscape, there are no equivalent channels on the left at the moment. So you could argue that it's undemocratic that the likes of Jeremy Corbyn are being kept off our screens.

TheDaddy 30-09-2023 19:58
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160997)

Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.
Get rid of them too :shrug:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161002)
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.14
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/
Not sure any of them have much to crow about tbh


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161005)
if GB news was to be should down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.
Where as a government propaganda channel and cosy chats with allies reeks of something democratic countries should be doing

Pierre 30-09-2023 20:11
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161007)
An opinion based programme or discussion programme on a news channel is clearly a news broadcast. It could hardly be described as comedy.

Ofcom are the ultimate arbiter on whether broadcasting standards have been breached. GB News - as their employer - similarly have a role in determining whether Fox or Wooton have breached the reasonable standards they expect. The latter has acted decisively, and that is to be welcomed.

The fact viewers watch is neither here nor there.
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.

jfman 30-09-2023 20:20
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161011)
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.
If they cannot adhere to broadcasting standards then they absolutely should.

I suspect however they will behave better in future. Their swift intervention will likely ensure they get a fine and reprimand.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 20:23
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161011)
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.
There's more than one debating about GB News and I've not seen anyone on this thread state it should be shut down.

Chris outlined a couple of debating points on GB News:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160996)
Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.
We know you have condemned Fox's and Wooton's behaviour. But what about the office-holding member of the Conservative Party interviewing a Conservative government minister on a news programme. Do you condemn that too?

Pierre 30-09-2023 20:32
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161013)
If they cannot adhere to broadcasting standards then they absolutely should.
authoritarianism doesn’t become you.

---------- Post added at 20:32 ---------- Previous post was at 20:29 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36161014)
There's more than one debating about GB News and I've not seen anyone on this thread state it should be shut down
I was referring to Adam Boulton and the Tory MP on newsnight saying exactly that. He was on Talk TV too saying the same thing.

jfman 30-09-2023 20:58
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161015)
authoritarianism doesn’t become you.
We can’t have a wholly unregulated news industry. Indeed we don’t, since RT is already banned.

If Fox and Wooton want to peddle a right wing comedy show then they’re more than welcome to outside the news section of programme guides.

Mr K 30-09-2023 21:13
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
They really need to diversify their output. They all seem so angry which can' t do the elderly audiences BP much good.

How about "Celebrity darts with dancing on ice, in the jungle , talent show,? Presented by Nige of course. The audiences and advertisers would flood back.

jfman 30-09-2023 21:21
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161021)
They really need to diversify their output. They all seem so angry which can' t do the elderly audiences BP much good.

How about "Celebrity darts with dancing on ice, in the jungle , talent show,? Presented by Nige of course. The audiences and advertisers would flood back.
Wouldn’t topless darts be more apt given the amount of tits they have on air already?

Russ 30-09-2023 21:24
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161006)
Yes, I had a point as you well know. A TV "News" channel having multiple members of the current Government having shows where they push the Government spin together with cosy chats where they "interview" each other, give me a break!

The channel is a parody of credibility. It may suit your world view but don't for one minute claim it is an objective News channel.
:clap:

Damien 30-09-2023 21:31
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
You need to have a high bar to ban a TV channel IMO. GB News will skirt it occasionally but they're not close to being shut down.

The fact they suspended them probably helps them with Ofcom as well. They sort of invite this needlessly though by continuing to try and push the envelope and wind people up, they want to upset people but sometimes they go too far.

Not sure how they get away with the government interviewing other members of the government though.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 21:40
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161021)
They really need to diversify their output. They all seem so angry which can' t do the elderly audiences BP much good.

How about "Celebrity darts with dancing on ice, in the jungle , talent show,? Presented by Nige of course. The audiences and advertisers would flood back.
I think given GB News's advertisers' location, it would need to be set close to Swansea.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161022)
Wouldn’t topless darts be more apt given the amount of tits they have on air already?
I think that would have a similar impact on their audience's BP. :D

---------- Post added at 21:40 ---------- Previous post was at 21:32 ----------

Meanwhile, back at the office
Quote:
‘It’s crunch time’: GB News bosses meet to avert more censure after Ofcom inquiries
Appointment to board of banker who ran rightwing social media platform Parler suggests channel will not turn its back on radical libertarianism

The leadership of the rightwing TV channel GB News is trying urgently to avert fresh public censure following the Laurence Fox and Dan Wootton debacle, the Observer has learned.

Under scrutiny are a number of incidents, including last week’s crude, on-air attack on the journalist Ava Evans by the actor and pundit Fox, and Friday’s interview of Suella Braverman, the home secretary, conducted by the deputy chair of her own party, the Conservative MP Lee Anderson.

A group of leading investors and managers at the channel, including a controversial newly installed board member, were holding emergency meetings this weekend following a string of investigations by Ofcom, the regulator, into potential broadcast transgressions...

Tim Montgomerie, a former editor of UnHerd, said he expected GB News to undergo “a major course correction” in the next few days. He believes, he said, that Marshall, a committed Christian, will have been unhappy about the Fox and Wootton broadcast, particularly in the run-up to the launch of a potential Telegraph bid.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...fcom-inquiries

Mr K 30-09-2023 21:41
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161022)
Wouldn’t topless darts be more apt given the amount of tits they have on air already?
Already been suggested, see post #767 p52 ( great minds think alike :) )

Mick 30-09-2023 22:18
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36161026)
You need to have a high bar to ban a TV channel IMO. GB News will skirt it occasionally but they're not close to being shut down.

The fact they suspended them probably helps them with Ofcom as well. They sort of invite this needlessly though by continuing to try and push the envelope and wind people up, they want to upset people but sometimes they go too far.

Not sure how they get away with the government interviewing other members of the government though.
Well, plastic fantastic motor mouth Vorderman, made a complaint to ofcom before it broadcast, the dimwit not realising they deal with post broadcast material. I don’t watch Anderson’s show so didn’t see it, but apparently as long as he had someone else to counter Lee, it would/should be okay.

---------- Post added at 22:09 ---------- Previous post was at 21:59 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161006)
Yes, I had a point as you well know. A TV "News" channel having multiple members of the current Government having shows where they push the Government spin together with cosy chats where they "interview" each other, give me a break!

The channel is a parody of credibility. It may suit your world view but don't for one minute claim it is an objective News channel.
More credible than the BBC & woke ITV. Channel 4 are Labour mouthpieces. Sky News is abysmal now that it’s owned by the liberal Comcast, from the U.S.

---------- Post added at 22:18 ---------- Previous post was at 22:09 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161000)
Mick … sorry for teaching granny to suck eggs here, but this is a topic-based discussion forum. There’s nothing hypocritical about sticking to the topic denoted by the thread title. You’re being quite unfair to other posters here, accusing them of moral failing when the only thing they’re manifestly doing is discussing the topic as set.

There’s absolutely nothing stopping anyone starting a thread called ‘cancel the nonce-enabling BBC’ if they want, but nobody should be criticised for not starting that thread.
Chris, please don’t lecture me what a discussion forum is, having part owned this one for 20 years, I don’t need telling & if I want to carry on raising hypocrisy, where I see it, I will.

Pierre 30-09-2023 22:44
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161022)
Wouldn’t topless darts be more apt given the amount of tits they have on air already?
Been tried already, quite recently.


Surprised you weren’t a fan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L!VE_TV

Hugh 04-10-2023 16:11
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/04/laure...mDgdGldNpUx5F8

Quote:
Laurence Fox arrested and sacked on same day house was raided by police

Laurence Fox has been sacked from GB News after a ‘disgraceful’ rant about female journalist Ava Evans.

The broadcaster had suspended the former actor, 45, over a string of remarks about the Joe political correspondent, known as Ava Santina on X, formerly Twitter, including asking ‘Who would want to shag that?’

On Wednesday, GB News confirmed that it had ended their employment relationship with Fox, and with Calvin Robinson – another broadcaster who had been suspended after supporting Fox.

GB News wrote on Twitter, formerly known as X: ‘Laurence Fox and Calvin Robinson were both suspended last week pending internal investigations that have now concluded.

‘As of today, GB News has ended its employment relationship with Laurence Fox and Calvin Robinson. The internal investigation into Dan Wootton continues.’

The decision came just hours after Fox was arrested, it was confirmed.

In a statement sent to Metro.co.uk, the Met Police said: ‘On Wednesday 4, October officers arrested a 45-year-old man on suspicion of conspiring to commit criminal damage to ULEZ cameras and encouraging or assisting offences to be committed.

‘He was arrested in Stockwell and has been taken to a South London police station where he remains in custody.’

jfman 04-10-2023 16:18
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Poor fella just can't get a break.

Paul 04-10-2023 17:18
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Well the arrest seems unrelated to his suspension.

Quote:
..... suspicion of conspiring to commit criminal damage to ULEZ cameras and encouraging or assisting offences to be committed.

Hugh 04-10-2023 19:15
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161242)
Well the arrest seems unrelated to his suspension.
Coincidental timing, rather than any direct connection, I believe.

(I’m sure Lozza thinks differently… ;) )

Mick 05-10-2023 06:51
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161253)
Coincidental timing, rather than any direct connection, I believe.

(I’m sure Lozza thinks differently… ;) )
It’s actually none of that, my word, thought you’d be on to your pal, Google on this.. you’re slipping Hugh. :rolleyes:

The day before yesterday, in a live stream, he had allegedly made some comments about supporting the ULEZ Bladerunner’s, encouraging them to take more cameras down, yesterday cops raided his house in huge numbers & was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to damage ULEZ cameras.

I await these same cops to arrest Chris Packham, who last week encouraged law breaking, in a channel 4 documentary, by climate & animal activists, where is his arrest?

jfman 05-10-2023 07:04
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
I love the smell of whataboutery in the morning.

Mr K 05-10-2023 07:06
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36161259)
It’s actually none of that, my word, thought you’d be on to your pal, Google on this.. you’re slipping Hugh. :rolleyes:

The day before yesterday, in a live stream, he had allegedly made some comments about supporting the ULEZ Bladerunner’s, encouraging them to take more cameras down, yesterday cops raided his house in huge numbers & was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to damage ULEZ cameras.

I await these same cops to arrest Chris Packham, who last week encouraged law breaking, in a channel 4 documentary, by climate & animal activists, where is his arrest?
Whataboutism again Mick? ;)

Anyway Chris is nice, Lozza is nasty, so it's a fair cop.
He's even too nasty for GB News , so that's very nasty.

1andrew1 05-10-2023 07:39
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Packham did not announce his intention to commit a jailable offence. His words will have been checked with lawyers first to avoid the situation that Fox found himself in. Fox is learning the laws of the country the hard way! :dunce:
And even if Packham had crossed the line, it wouldn't be the same cops who would arrest him as Packham lives in the New Forest and Fox in London. :D

Damien 05-10-2023 08:18
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36161259)
It’s actually none of that, my word, thought you’d be on to your pal, Google on this.. you’re slipping Hugh. :rolleyes:

The day before yesterday, in a live stream, he had allegedly made some comments about supporting the ULEZ Bladerunner’s, encouraging them to take more cameras down, yesterday cops raided his house in huge numbers & was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to damage ULEZ cameras.

I await these same cops to arrest Chris Packham, who last week encouraged law breaking, in a channel 4 documentary, by climate & animal activists, where is his arrest?
What did Packham actually say? The language used is important. If I were to say that I support the actions of Just Stop Oil in breaking the law to cause disruption that would be different from me specifically inciting, telling, people to break the law.

1andrew1 05-10-2023 08:58
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36161264)
What did Packham actually say? The language used is important. If I were to say that I support the actions of Just Stop Oil in breaking the law to cause disruption that would be different from me specifically inciting, telling, people to break the law.
Read more here.Thw programme is on C4 catch-up.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...tv-of-the-year

---------- Post added at 08:58 ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 ----------

A reminder of why Fox was arrested.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-b1111343.html

Hugh 05-10-2023 09:39
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36161259)
It’s actually none of that, my word, thought you’d be on to your pal, Google on this.. you’re slipping Hugh. :rolleyes:

The day before yesterday, in a live stream, he had allegedly made some comments about supporting the ULEZ Bladerunner’s, encouraging them to take more cameras down, yesterday cops raided his house in huge numbers & was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to damage ULEZ cameras.

I await these same cops to arrest Chris Packham, who last week encouraged law breaking, in a channel 4 documentary, by climate & animal activists, where is his arrest?
I was responding to

Quote:
Well the arrest seems unrelated to his suspension
I meant the raid being coincidental with him being fired that day - apologies if that wasn’t clear..

Paul 05-10-2023 18:29
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161260)
I love the smell of whataboutery in the morning.
You say that like its a problem, "whataboutery" as you call it is still perfectly valid, whether you like it or not. :dozey:

Chris 05-10-2023 18:50
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161310)
You say that like its a problem, "whataboutery" as you call it is still perfectly valid, whether you like it or not. :dozey:
Er no, logically, it isn’t a valid argument at all. One TV channel’s adherence to legal requirements is measured against the law, not the behaviour of another TV channel. And in the context of topic-based discussion it doesn’t take the discussion forwards either, it’s just a fairly transparent tactic to try to divert attention away from one thing and on to another.

It’s valid in the sense that it’s not illegal to complain ‘what about?’ and it’s not against forum rules, but as a debating tactic goes it’s just amateurish.

Mick 05-10-2023 23:56
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161313)
Er no, logically, it isn’t a valid argument at all. One TV channel’s adherence to legal requirements is measured against the law, not the behaviour of another TV channel. And in the context of topic-based discussion it doesn’t take the discussion forwards either, it’s just a fairly transparent tactic to try to divert attention away from one thing and on to another.

It’s valid in the sense that it’s not illegal to complain ‘what about?’ and it’s not against forum rules, but as a debating tactic goes it’s just amateurish.
Rubbish. Like hell it is.

Two celebrities, both encourage breaking the law, only one is arrested, where is the consistency in policing ?

I’ve no need to divert attention away. Forum topics can & do branch out it’s not centrally just about one aspect of the topic, dead on and you’re not telling me it’s always been like this on here, no way Chris, not having it.

jfman 06-10-2023 00:12
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
It's possible to condemn Fox, or GB News, on it's own merits on the basis of the facts available without the conversation descending into the polarised finger pointing that's a sad import from Americsn politics.

Given enough time and enough opportunity there will always be the possibility, or even likelihood, of other people of different political leanings being open to similar criticism. None of thus actually changes the facts at hand.

It's a straw man the right now put up given it is now devoid of any moral or economic leadership.

Paul 06-10-2023 00:51
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161313)
Er no
Err.. Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161313)
it’s just a fairly transparent tactic to try to divert attention away from one thing and on to another.
Dismissing it is a transparent tactic to try to divert attention away from the fact its actually correct to point it out. Something several people on this forum do all the time.

If one person doing something causes a certain action, and another person doing the same thing does not, then its perfectly valid to ask why. Trying to dismiss it with as "whataboutary" simply shows you cant actually defend it.

TheDaddy 06-10-2023 01:43
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161332)
Trying to dismiss it with as "whataboutary" simply shows you cant actually defend it.
Ever thought that he doesn't want to defend him, I get it on twitter a lot, crap like what about so and so's crimes, what about them, if they've got something to answer for so be it, don't really get excusing someones crimes because someone else may have done something similar, lock them both up

Mick 06-10-2023 06:40
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161330)
It's possible to condemn Fox, or GB News, on it's own merits on the basis of the facts available without the conversation descending into the polarised finger pointing that's a sad import from Americsn politics.

Given enough time and enough opportunity there will always be the possibility, or even likelihood, of other people of different political leanings being open to similar criticism. None of thus actually changes the facts at hand.

It's a straw man the right now put up given it is now devoid of any moral or economic leadership.
What on Earth are you rambling on about?

Answer the question that you’re conveniently ignoring, former GBN Presenter arrested for encouraging to break the law (damaging ULEZ Cameras), other presenter, Chris Packham, suggests activists should break the law, even suggesting blowing up an oil refinery, which is far worse, why hasn’t this stupid clown been arrested?

It’s all well and good throwing out sound bites, “whataboutery”, this is just a cop out to the fact these people are politically aligned with you and you cannot defend them (as Paul stated above).

jfman 06-10-2023 07:06
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36161337)
What on Earth are you rambling on about?

Answer the question that you’re conveniently ignoring, former GBN Presenter arrested for encouraging to break the law (damaging ULEZ Cameras), other presenter, Chris Packham, suggests activists should break the law, even suggesting blowing up an oil refinery, which is far worse, why hasn’t this stupid clown been arrested?

It’s all well and good throwing out sound bites, “whataboutery”, this is just a cop out to the fact these people are politically aligned with you and you cannot defend them (as Paul stated above).
Mick it is you that is "copping out" of criticising Fox and GB News - solely on the basis of their political leanings.

Do you believe in a democratic society individuals should attack state apparatus (which enforcement equipment absolutely is) for policies they disagree with. Yes or no?

I'm under no obligation to either criticise or defend Packham for a broadcast I haven't seen and comments I haven't read. Forgive me for thinking they are likely more complex and nuanced than you present. Equally, it's a perfectly legitimate position to hold that state apparatus is a legitimate target, but Fox crying about ULEZ doesn't make the cut in my personal morality barometer.

1andrew1 06-10-2023 09:40
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
When Chris and Mr K agree on a point, odds on they are correct.

GB News and its presenters' actions can be judged on their own merits and against legislative considerations. Two wrongs don't make a right is a saying that has stood the test of time for a reason.

Chris 06-10-2023 09:49
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36161351)
When Chris and Mr K agree on a point, odds on they are correct.
Some say Chris and Mr K agreeing on something is a harbinger of Armageddon. A sort of postmodern horseman of the apocalypse if you will ;)

1andrew1 06-10-2023 11:11
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36161352)
Some say Chris and Mr K agreeing on something is a harbinger of Armageddon. A sort of postmodern horseman of the apocalypse if you will ;)
I reserve that description for Old Boy and jfman agreeing on something. :D

Mick 06-10-2023 11:29
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161338)
Mick it is you that is "copping out" of criticising Fox and GB News - solely on the basis of their political leanings.

Do you believe in a democratic society individuals should attack state apparatus (which enforcement equipment absolutely is) for policies they disagree with. Yes or no?

I'm under no obligation to either criticise or defend Packham for a broadcast I haven't seen and comments I haven't read. Forgive me for thinking they are likely more complex and nuanced than you present. Equally, it's a perfectly legitimate position to hold that state apparatus is a legitimate target, but Fox crying about ULEZ doesn't make the cut in my personal morality barometer.
And why should I have to criticise?

Why is it so important I call someone out, surely I can take YOUR stance and say I’m under no obligation. Works both ways!

jfman 06-10-2023 12:08
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36161364)
And why should I have to criticise?

Why is it so important I call someone out, surely I can take YOUR stance and say I’m under no obligation. Works both ways!
You shouldn't have to, but it says a lot that your immediate response is "what about....?" rather than offer no opinion at all. The events aren't even loosely linked. Even if they were, one wouldn't excuse the other.

SnoopZ 27-10-2023 15:41
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Boris Johnson: Former prime minister to host GB News show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67242822

1andrew1 27-10-2023 16:06
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36162856)
Boris Johnson: Former prime minister to host GB News show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67242822
He can't have been cheap. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Ms NTL 27-10-2023 16:30
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36162858)
He can't have been cheap. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
He needs the dosh, "Princess Nut Nut" expects a certain level of living and he has to support umpteen children, all scattered in London.

peanut 27-10-2023 16:50
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Well there goes their credibility.

richard-john56 27-10-2023 16:55
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36162856)
Boris Johnson: Former prime minister to host GB News show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67242822
O dear the dregs

Mr K 27-10-2023 18:08
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36162860)
Well there goes their credibility.
What credibility?

peanut 27-10-2023 19:08
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36162876)
What credibility?
Fair point. :D

Sephiroth 27-10-2023 19:17
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36162860)
Well there goes their credibility.
Don't be silly. He'll be good entertainment value.

pip08456 27-10-2023 20:04
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36162860)
Well there goes their credibility.
So what! You don't have to watch it, neither do I. No-one needs to. Why is it that people today fell the need to force their own views on to others.

I don't give a toss what appears on that channel, I don't watch it either. Can you be not the same instead of passing comment? This goes to others on this thread who do the same.

Wind your necks in! What others wish to watch has nothing to do with you!

peanut 27-10-2023 20:14
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36162892)
So what! You don't have to watch it, neither do I. No-one needs to. Why is it that people today fell the need to force their own views on to others.

I don't give a toss what appears on that channel, I don't watch it either. Can you be not the same instead of passing comment? This goes to others on this thread who do the same.

Wind your necks in! What others wish to watch has nothing to do with you!
What a strange response.

pip08456 27-10-2023 20:31
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36162893)
What a strange response.
Why so?

jfman 27-10-2023 20:40
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Standards in news broadcasting is important whether people watch it or not. That said - I think there’s the potential for this to improve their credibility, and it could be an interesting watch depending on the style and output of the show.

If he’s just another shock jock evangelising about anything and everything probably neither will be true.

Mr K 27-10-2023 20:53
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162900)
Standards in news broadcasting is important whether people watch it or not. That said - I think there’s the potential for this to improve their credibility, and it could be an interesting watch depending on the style and output of the show.

If he’s just another shock jock evangelising about anything and everything probably neither will be true.
Better he's spouting populist crap on GB 'News' than destroying the country, (mind you, he's achieved that already) .

Dave42 27-10-2023 22:15
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36162901)
Better he's spouting populist crap on GB 'News' than destroying the country, (mind you, he's achieved that already) .
exactly this

TheDaddy 27-10-2023 23:21
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36162892)
So what! You don't have to watch it, neither do I. No-one needs to.
They're not watching it, in the main :)

Russ 28-10-2023 10:28
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Not that I was ever interested in doing so but yet another reason to never watch this crappy channel.

Now hopefully bullshitting Boris' fans will have somewhere to congregate and keep away from the rest of us.

And not that I ever thought I'd say this but good on the Senedd for taking a stand against this crap. Hopefully, this gives them even more motivation to keep it banned there.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162900)
Standards in news broadcasting is important whether people watch it or not. That said - I think there’s the potential for this to improve their credibility, and it could be an interesting watch depending on the style and output of the show.

If he’s just another shock jock evangelising about anything and everything probably neither will be true.
So what type of output are you expecting from a known and proven womanising bullshitting law-breaker who barely hides his concern for the common man behind a facade of a Mr Bean-esque gimmick?

Maggy 28-10-2023 11:49
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36162925)
Not that I was ever interested in doing so but yet another reason to never watch this crappy channel.

Now hopefully bullshitting Boris' fans will have somewhere to congregate and keep away from the rest of us.

And not that I ever thought I'd say this but good on the Senedd for taking a stand against this crap. Hopefully, this gives them even more motivation to keep it banned there.

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So what type of output are you expecting from a known and proven womanising bullshitting law-breaker who barely hides his concern for the common man behind a facade of a Mr Bean-esque gimmick?
:tu:

Sephiroth 28-10-2023 13:33
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36162925)
Not that I was ever interested in doing so but yet another reason to never watch this crappy channel.

Now hopefully bullshitting Boris' fans will have somewhere to congregate and keep away from the rest of us.

And not that I ever thought I'd say this but good on the Senedd for taking a stand against this crap. Hopefully, this gives them even more motivation to keep it banned there.

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So what type of output are you expecting from a known and proven womanising bullshitting law-breaker who barely hides his concern for the common man behind a facade of a Mr Bean-esque gimmick?
I’m fine with your adverse description of Boris.

I’m not fine with your rabid characterisation of GB News. If you don’t watch it, how can you write it off like that. GB News is the antidote to the BBC et al who are steeped in wokery crafty leftism - which is where I suspect you are coming from.

denphone 28-10-2023 13:46
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36162900)
Standards in news broadcasting is important whether people watch it or not. That said - I think there’s the potential for this to improve their credibility, and it could be an interesting watch depending on the style and output of the show.

If he’s just another shock jock evangelising about anything and everything probably neither will be true.
l want a news channel that is balanced, impartial and without political interference.

Russ 28-10-2023 14:52
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36162937)
I’m fine with your adverse description of Boris.

I’m not fine with your rabid characterisation of GB News. If you don’t watch it, how can you write it off like that. GB News is the antidote to the BBC et al who are steeped in wokery crafty leftism - which is where I suspect you are coming from.
I’m fine with you being fine about my opinion of bullshitting Boris.

I’m not even slightly bothered that you’re not fine with characterisation of that channel. I base my opinion partially on some of the brown-stuff-heads they employ as presenters, also based on a lot of the behind-the-scenes staff they use who i invariably came in to contact with back when I used to work in radio.

Some very unsavoury characters indeed.

GBN is in no way an “antidote” to the BBC which is far more right-leaning than you may imagine. So much of the BS, exaggeration, gas-lighting and misrepresentation from the Tory **** party gets ignored by the BBC.

Now given GBN will have 2 of the most dishonest and corrupt Tory politicians as presenters (bullshitting Boris and JRM) on its books, it will take something miraculous for me to no longer seeing that channel as the waste of time, airwaves and energy that it is.

But hey, for the type of people who like that kind of thing, that’s the kind of thing that they like.

Hugh 28-10-2023 15:51
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I’m fine with your adverse description of Boris.

I’m not fine with your rabid characterisation of GB News. If you don’t watch it, how can you write it off like that. GB News is the antidote to the BBC et al who are steeped in wokery crafty leftism - which is where I suspect you are coming from.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1698509206

Pierre 28-10-2023 16:06
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36162925)
Not that I was ever interested in doing so but yet another reason to never watch this crappy channel.
I love it when people get incensed about a tv channel they’ve never watched.

Just the same, in fact exactly the same, as people that demand books they’ve never read to be banned.

Russ 28-10-2023 17:49
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I love it when people get incensed about a tv channel they’ve never watched.

Just the same, in fact exactly the same, as people that demand books they’ve never read to be banned.
Oh you think I’ve never seen any of its output?

How quaint.

Pierre 28-10-2023 18:50
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Oh you think I’ve never seen any of its output?

How quaint.
Sorry, it read like you wore that particular badge with pride.


Yes, I’m sure you’ve seen the odd Twitter clip to fully form your objective opinion. Any biases displayed purely intentional.

I don’t watch all of it, there are some presenters I find odious and annoying. But I won’t denigrate the whole channel as there is some good content on there I like.

Breakfast, Headliners, Free Speech Nation and, I haven’t watched it yet but, the new John Cleese show looks worth a watch.

Russ 28-10-2023 19:09
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“The odd Twitter clip”

Right.

More than that.

I make no secret of the fact I can’t stand JRM or bullshitting Boris. And Farage turning up at the Senedd under the curious assumption that anyone in Wales gives 2 shits about his opinion, the guy is completely delusional.

Add in to the mix the proven bullshitters they have presenting shows, plus the unsavoury staff I’ve personally had contact with.

No you’re right, I’m completely lacking in any objectivity here.

Pierre 28-10-2023 19:18
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36162957)
I make no secret of the fact I can’t stand JRM or bullshitting Boris. And Farage turning up at the Senedd under the curious assumption that anyone in Wales gives 2 shits about his opinion, the guy is completely delusional.
I don’t watch any of them either.

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No you’re right, I’m completely lacking in any objectivity here.
Yes Anne Diamond what a bitch, and Eamonn Holmes is a fascist.

Andrew Doyle is a dick and John Cleese a total knobhead.

Are they? Well you wouldn’t know as you don’t watch their shows.

You can hold your opinions on the persons you mentioned, absolutely, but to wish an entire channel that employs many hundreds of people to be banned………………

Mr K 28-10-2023 19:47
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Maybe it should rebrand as 'GB Entertainment' rather than pretending to be a news channel?
Watching swivel eyed loon nutter rants is slightly entertaining in short bursts. Don't think Drama+1 has anything to worry about though.


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