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Carth 03-07-2020 14:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Under representation of single dads in council houses with 4 kids to different mothers . .


. . . rushes off to get crayons & cardboard

jfman 03-07-2020 17:13
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042168)
Under representation of single dads in council houses with 4 kids to different mothers . .


. . . rushes off to get crayons & cardboard
Fathers 4 Justice?

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 17:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36042140)

Twitter drops terms master, slave and blacklist.

This is getting a little daft, are they also going to drop whitelist as well, what do you replace these with?

Etymology
Blacklist
Origins of the term The English dramatist Philip Massinger used the phrase "black list" in his 1639 tragedy The Unnatural Combat. After the Restoration of the English monarchy brought Charles II of England to the throne in 1660, a list of regicides named those to be punished for the execution of his father.
Whitelist is more recent and is just the opposite of blacklist.
The terms were not coined with any idea of race.

Could use green/red list? But does term "red" in the negative have implications for other groups and the positive use of green an bias towards non-industrial?
The claim that anti racists group make is that when black is used, it usually has negative connotations, whilst white usually has positivity associated with it and that these ideas are transferred accross to BAME people e.g. a blacklist contains bad things and a white list contains good things.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042168)
Under representation of single dads in council houses with 4 kids to different mothers . .


. . . rushes off to get crayons & cardboard
Years ago, 90% of lone parents were women, now It's about 94%.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 17:54
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042188)
The claim that anti racists group make is that when black is used, it usually has negative connotations, whilst white usually has positivity associated with it and that these ideas are transferred accross to BAME people e.g. a blacklist contains bad things and a white list contains good things.
Which "BAME" people? All? Some? Most? Asians? Which minor ethnicities?

Will "brown" or "Yellow" have to be banned?

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 18:09
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042192)
Which "BAME" people? All? Some? Most? Asians? Which minor ethnicities?

Will "brown" or "Yellow" have to be banned?
It would usually be taken to refer to all people of colour (except white if you count that as a colour). I imagine that yellow would be included as it's often used as a negative term to symbolise cowardice; I can't think of any negative connotations with brown though.

In fact, whilst the catch all politically correct term to refer to people of colour used to be the term black, it changed to 'black & Asian'. A lot of people now refer to people as 'brown people', but i'm not sure if this is meant to be a more accurate description of the former term 'black' to describe skin colour, or if It's meant to be a new way to differentiate between black & Asian people.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 18:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042198)
It would usually be taken to refer to all people of colour (except white if you count that as a colour).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Which "BAME" people? All? Some? Most? Asians? Which minor ethnicities?

Will "brown" or "Yellow" have to be banned?
I imagine that yellow would be included as it's often used as a negative term to symbolise cowardice; I can't think of any negative connotations with brown though.

In fact, whilst the catch all politically correct term to refer to people of colour used to be the term black, it changed to 'black & Asian'. A lot of people now refer to people as 'brown people', but i'm not sure if this is meant to be a more accurate description of the former term 'black' to describe skin colour, or if It's meant to be a new way to differentiate between black & Asian people.
Well, exactly. It shows how ridiculous the term "BAME" is - the so-called activists trying to be inclusive to justify blowing up an outrage in the USA into a huge thing in the UK.

Carth 03-07-2020 18:28
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Many people argue that Black and White aren't even colours :devsmoke:

jfman 03-07-2020 18:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Gammony pink is though. :)

Carth 03-07-2020 18:34
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
. . . and apoplectic purple often shines through . . . in the right light ;)

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 18:54
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
If I recall correctly, the term "BAME" emerged to cover susceptibility to CV over and above non-BAMEs (must be whiteys, then).

So what's all this BAME cobblers, first introduced in post #16 by the esteemed jfman?

Per Downquark's request:

CV = Coronavirus

Hugh 03-07-2020 18:59
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
It’s been in use since the 70s, and has been widely used this century

downquark1 03-07-2020 19:00
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042218)
[COLOR="Blue"]If I recall correctly, the term "BAME" emerged to cover susceptibility to CV over and above non-BAMEs (must be whiteys, then).

?/COLOR]
Can you rephrase. I don't understand. CV over?

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 19:40
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042220)
Can you rephrase. I don't understand. CV over?
Original post edited. Coronavirus.

jfman 03-07-2020 19:44
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042218)
If I recall correctly, the term "BAME" emerged to cover susceptibility to CV over and above non-BAMEs (must be whiteys, then).

So what's all this BAME cobblers, first introduced in post #16 by the esteemed jfman?

Per Downquark's request:

CV = Coronavirus
I first came across the term in about 2014 and thought “hang on, they’re not going to put up with being lumped in all together, are they?”.

And I’m not whitey I’ve got a deckchair tan, thank you.

downquark1 03-07-2020 19:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Yeah BAME predates that but since they needed a politically correct way to say non-White it suddenly was everywhere. 10 years ago it was PoC in the American literature.

nomadking 03-07-2020 20:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042218)
If I recall correctly, the term "BAME" emerged to cover susceptibility to CV over and above non-BAMEs (must be whiteys, then).

So what's all this BAME cobblers, first introduced in post #16 by the esteemed jfman?

Per Downquark's request:

CV = Coronavirus
But within the BAME group there are variations about Covid-19. You need to be able to separate out cultural related differences. Eg If a group tends to gather together in large numbers, that will help any spreading. An obvious example is that Orthodox/Hasidic Jews seem to be more susceptible, because they gather in groups a lot, and from the photos from New York, they are pretty reckless about it.



The Male-Female difference rarely gets a mention, and is strangely similar across groups.

Damien 03-07-2020 21:14
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042218)
[COLOR="Blue"]If I recall correctly, the term "BAME" emerged to cover susceptibility to CV over and above non-BAMEs (must be whiteys, then).
Nah BAME existed long before that. As I said it's a shorthand to refer to minorties.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 21:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042230)
But within the BAME group there are variations about Covid-19. You need to be able to separate out cultural related differences. Eg If a group tends to gather together in large numbers, that will help any spreading. An obvious example is that Orthodox/Hasidic Jews seem to be more susceptible, because they gather in groups a lot, and from the photos from New York, they are pretty reckless about it.



The Male-Female difference rarely gets a mention, and is strangely similar across groups.
I'm sorry if I didn't make my point properly.

The BAME handle features in BLM when it shouldn't. Why BAME was dragged into this thread (and into other discussions elsewhere) baffles me.

I'm so anti bloody-woke goody two shoes people who know nothing about realities. You should meet my (now aware) daughter's cohort who have no historic reference point, who thought the sun shone out of Corbyn's backside, who thought that the EU gave us money we wouldn't otherwise have. What a shock their descendants will have when the "A" in BAME become through reproduction the majority population and we'll all have to face East. The "B" in BAME won't get a look-in and some of the "MEs" will need to flee.

Damien 03-07-2020 21:20
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042236)
I'm so anti bloody-woke goody two shoes people who know nothing about realities. You should meet my (now aware) daughter's cohort who have no historic reference point
[/COLOR]
In the grand scheme of things your historical reference point is only slightly larger than theirs. ;) None of us are here too long.

Quote:
What a shock their descendants will have when the "A" in BAME become through reproduction the majority population and we'll all have to face East. The "B" in BAME won't get a look-in and some of the "MEs" will need to flee.
Most Asians in this country are not Muslim. The majority would be Indian which is not Islamic (then Pakistan which is)

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 21:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36042237)
In the grand scheme of things your historical reference point is only slightly larger than theirs. ;) None of us are here too long.


Most Asians in this country are not Muslim. The majority would be Indian which is not Islamic (then Pakistan which is)
I know that. But just give it a bit more thought.

As to my historical reference point, what I was taught in my history class is nothing like the cohort to which I am referring. Their reference point is the "wonderful" EU, Erasmus, free movement, idealism and so on with little or no concept of modern history - the Nazis, the formation of Israel by UN resolution, Britain's abolition of slavery, the water treatment plants and roads we built in Africa etc.

nomadking 03-07-2020 22:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
BLM has become everything BAME, little to do with BLM.

Paul 03-07-2020 23:19
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
White is completely wrong anyway.

I'm not white, I'm a shade of pink, I'd be quite worried if I were actually white.

Pink Lives Matter. :D

nomadking 03-07-2020 23:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36042245)
White is completely wrong anyway.

I'm not white, I'm a shade of pink, I'd be quite worried if I were actually white.

Pink Lives Matter. :D
Strangely enough, if you were White, you would be Black, ie Albino.

Hugh 03-07-2020 23:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042248)
Strangely enough, if you were White, you would be Black, ie Albino.
https://www.hungertv.com/wp-content/...8/whiteguy.gif

jfman 03-07-2020 23:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36042245)
White is completely wrong anyway.

I'm not white, I'm a shade of pink, I'd be quite worried if I were actually white.

Pink Lives Matter. :D
Did we just agree on something :D

nomadking 04-07-2020 00:00
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
My mistake, I was under the impression that it was only Black people that were Albinos.


News stories about Albinos tend to focus on Africa.
Link

Quote:
Albinos—people with white hair and skin, and often reddish eyes—are being mutilated and murdered for their body parts in Tanzania, according to The New York Times. Sometimes as family members look on in horror, groups of machete-wielding men have chopped off the legs, heads, and genitals of albinos.

Sephiroth 04-07-2020 00:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Albinos—people with white hair and skin, and often reddish eyes—are being mutilated and murdered for their body parts in Tanzania, according to The New York Times. Sometimes as family members look on in horror, groups of machete-wielding men have chopped off the legs, heads, and genitals of albinos
Don't the machete wielding men have knees they could use?

jfman 04-07-2020 00:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Seph ffs...

Sephiroth 04-07-2020 10:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36042258)
Seph ffs...
My friend, try understanding the underlying point. The UK has, for years, fed a colonial guilt trip through the wretched Foreign Aid programme.
But black lives matter least in many/most parts of Africa and this isn't the legacy we left them. We exited Africa having provided an administrative foundation, infrastructure, water treatment etc. We left them with industries and agriculture to exploit.

Move then to the USA where the essentially white society is firmly rooted in the gun toting wild west days, of which the police can be seen as an extension (substitute knee for gun or machete for that matter). The descendants of the slavery days are obvious victims on whatever scale of the prejudice within some of the American psyche.

The UK is nothing like that. Not remotely. But suddenly anarchists and woke idiots join forces to make street mayhem here for a cause that has no place here, conveniently forgetting that Africa is the centre of black lives don't matter.

As far as I'm concerned, the UK BLM movement is subversive and must not be taken seriously.

Maggy 04-07-2020 11:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042272)
My friend, try understanding the underlying point. The UK has, for years, fed a colonial guilt trip through the wretched Foreign Aid programme.
But black lives matter least in many/most parts of Africa and this isn't the legacy we left them. We exited Africa having provided an administrative foundation, infrastructure, water treatment etc. We left them with industries and agriculture to exploit.

Move then to the USA where the essentially white society is firmly rooted in the gun toting wild west days, of which the police can be seen as an extension (substitute knee for gun or machete for that matter). The descendants of the slavery days are obvious victims on whatever scale of the prejudice within some of the American psyche.

The UK is nothing like that. Not remotely. But suddenly anarchists and woke idiots join forces to make street mayhem here for a cause that has no place here, conveniently forgetting that Africa is the centre of black lives don't matter.

As far as I'm concerned, the UK BLM movement is subversive and must not be taken seriously.
You had my approval until the last comment.

figgyburn 04-07-2020 12:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Just watched the Black Bias Corporation news this morning.The first thing i caught was the police retreating from a block party in white city after being bombarded by missiles thrown by a majority Black gathering,and a number of white trash *******s,no social distancing or mask wearing in evidence.Just like previous block parties.No mention of that on the news soundbite.

Next item President Trumps Mt Rushmore speech,virtually all whiteys of course and they emphasised,no social distancing or mask wearing in evidence.
One a "disturbance",the other,a peaceful gathering.

Spot the difference.:banghead:

papa smurf 04-07-2020 12:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36042292)
Just watched the Black Bias Corporation news this morning.The first thing i caught was the police retreating from a block party in white city after being bombarded by missiles thrown by a majority Black gathering,and a number of white trash *******s,no social distancing or mask wearing in evidence.Just like previous block parties.No mention of that on the news soundbite.

Next item President Trumps Mt Rushmore speech,virtually all whiteys of course and they emphasised,no social distancing or mask wearing in evidence.
One a "disturbance",the other,a peaceful gathering.

Spot the difference.:banghead:

The White city bust up was The black louts movement,the police should have used CS gas to break up the mob then gone in with batons and tasers.

nomadking 04-07-2020 12:32
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36042296)
The White city bust up was The black louts movement,the police should have used CS gas to break up the mob then gone in with batons and tasers.
Or water cannon, if they had one.

papa smurf 04-07-2020 12:41
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042298)
Or water cannon, if they had one.
Thank theresa May for getting rid of those.

Carth 04-07-2020 12:59
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042298)
Or water cannon, if they had one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36042302)
Thank theresa May for getting rid of those.
But we do have some of these

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/07/1.jpg


- using a lovely bright dye in the water would be great to see on the news too :D

ianch99 04-07-2020 15:25
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042272)
My friend, try understanding the underlying point. The UK has, for years, fed a colonial guilt trip through the wretched Foreign Aid programme.
But black lives matter least in many/most parts of Africa and this isn't the legacy we left them. We exited Africa having provided an administrative foundation, infrastructure, water treatment etc. We left them with industries and agriculture to exploit.

Move then to the USA where the essentially white society is firmly rooted in the gun toting wild west days, of which the police can be seen as an extension (substitute knee for gun or machete for that matter). The descendants of the slavery days are obvious victims on whatever scale of the prejudice within some of the American psyche.

The UK is nothing like that. Not remotely. But suddenly anarchists and woke idiots join forces to make street mayhem here for a cause that has no place here, conveniently forgetting that Africa is the centre of black lives don't matter.

As far as I'm concerned, the UK BLM movement is subversive and must not be taken seriously.
Are you saying that the UK has no need to apologise its for colonial past? You paint a rose tinted picture of our colonial legacy which is at odds with the real world especially when viewed from the perspective of the colonised.

Also, the Foreign Aid programme is not "wretched" as you put it, it's purpose is to support sustainable development and to help in disaster relief. You can debate the details of implementation but the overarching mandate is worthy unless you resort to a pure nationalist approach where no one is worthy of help outside of these shores.

Sephiroth 04-07-2020 15:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36042281)
You had my approval until the last comment.
Thing is, Maggy, without the controversial remark at the end I wouldn’t have drawn your comment on the substantive text.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042317)
Are you saying that the UK has no need to apologise its for colonial past? You paint a rose tinted picture of our colonial legacy which is at odds with the real world especially when viewed from the perspective of the colonised.

Also, the Foreign Aid programme is not "wretched" as you put it, it's purpose is to support sustainable development and to help in disaster relief. You can debate the details of implementation but the overarching mandate is worthy unless you resort to a pure nationalist approach where no one is worthy of help outside of these shores.
There is no need to apologise at all any more than Italy needs to apologise for Roman pillage etc. Every thing evolves. It’ a stupid woke concept.

As regards how the ex-colonised view matters, they are the subject of corrupt and cruel governments and the demand, if any, for compensation comes from those very same corrupted politicians. I’m generalusing because there are minor exceptions.

As regards foreign aid, it has been mis-spent especially when seen in the context of what needs sorting out in the UK.

nomadking 04-07-2020 17:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
The "colonial powers" were last into slavery, and FIRST out. In Africa, slaves were taken by Black people. Slavery existed in Africa long before the White slave traders turned up. If anything it is the FACT that slavery existed before, that gave the White slave traders the idea in the first place. Not really much evidence around that time in White "western" societies of slavery, before visiting Africa.


If anything it the the White Slavs of Eastern Europe that should object to the term "slave".
Link

Quote:
The term slave has its origins in the word slav. The slavs, who inhabited a large part of Eastern Europe, were taken as slaves by the Muslims of Spain during the 9th century AD.
Quote:
In Africa there were a number of societies and kingdoms which kept slaves, before there was any regular commercial contact with Europeans, including the Asanti, the Kings of Bonny and Dahomey.

OLD BOY 04-07-2020 17:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042317)
Are you saying that the UK has no need to apologise its for colonial past? You paint a rose tinted picture of our colonial legacy which is at odds with the real world especially when viewed from the perspective of the colonised.

Also, the Foreign Aid programme is not "wretched" as you put it, it's purpose is to support sustainable development and to help in disaster relief. You can debate the details of implementation but the overarching mandate is worthy unless you resort to a pure nationalist approach where no one is worthy of help outside of these shores.
I don't think it is for us to apologise for the acts of our forefathers. That's pretty pathetic. Maybe we should tell the Italians to apologise to us for the Roman Invasion and for the atrocities inflicted on British people ordered by Emperor Claudius. The whole idea of apologising for our history is farcical, to say the least.

As for the Foreign Aid programme, there are not many who would begrudge disaster relief, but you must know very well that a huge amount is wasted. That is what we object to.

Paul 04-07-2020 18:04
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042317)
Are you saying that the UK has no need to apologise its for colonial past?
Absolutely. Why would anyone apologise for something 200+ years ago, over which they had zero control. The whole idea is nonsense..

Hugh 04-07-2020 18:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36042346)
Absolutely. Why would anyone apologise for something 200+ years ago, over which they had zero control. The whole idea is nonsense..
We had colonies under British rule for a large part of the 20th Century, up to the 1960s.

Paul 04-07-2020 18:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042347)
We had colonies under British rule for a large part of the 20th Century, up to the 1960s.
We had Hong Kong until the 1997, thats not what he is referring to as you well know. :rolleyes:

Pierre 04-07-2020 18:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042317)
Are you saying that the UK has no need to apologise its for colonial past?
Has Italy apologised for the Roman Empire, has Norway and Denmark apologised for the unprovoked attacks murders rapes anode theft undertaken by the Vikings.

Yes, I’m being facetious. But still.........

Hugh 04-07-2020 19:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Well, considering those countries didn’t exist when that happened, but you knew that...

Sephiroth 04-07-2020 21:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042347)
We had colonies under British rule for a large part of the 20th Century, up to the 1960s.
And? So what? Is that anything to apologise for? Were we not building infrastructure, providing water treatment, electricity plant and so on?

RichardCoulter 05-07-2020 05:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
You can find out if your family or employer etc used to own slaves here:

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs//

heero_yuy 05-07-2020 08:29
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Quote from RichardCoulter: You can find out if your family or employer etc used to own slaves here:

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs//
Maybe we can claim back ownership? :D

Hugh 05-07-2020 10:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042364)
And? So what? Is that anything to apologise for? Were we not building infrastructure, providing water treatment, electricity plant and so on?
Yes, we were, purely for altruistic* reasons, obviously... ;)

(Except in India, where we destroyed the textile industry in the 19th Century, when it provided 25% of the world’s textiles...)

*not so we could produce and export their raw materials, with very little of the profit going locally.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36042385)
Maybe we can claim back ownership? :D
Well, come anywhere near my grand-children, and you’ll be passing teeth next time you go to the loo.

(And before anyone raises the straw man argument of "faux woke outrage", try to imagine how you’d feel if someone joked about putting your grandchildren into chains, whipping them, taking them away from their parents, and then selling them on as if they were animals - because that’s what slavery did).

heero, you stepped over the line with this one.

Sephiroth 05-07-2020 10:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042388)
Yes, we were, purely for altruistic* reasons, obviously... ;)

(Except in India, where we destroyed the textile industry in the 19th Century, when it provided 25% of the world’s textiles...)

*not so we could produce and export their raw materials, with very little of the profit going locally.
There's a more complete picture given in the official link below.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...e%20government.

This woke-ism of yours is appalling.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042388)
Yes, we were, purely for altruistic* reasons, obviously... ;)

(Except in India, where we destroyed the textile industry in the 19th Century, when it provided 25% of the world’s textiles...)

*not so we could produce and export their raw materials, with very little of the profit going locally.

---------- Post added at 09:46 ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 ----------

Well, come anywhere near my grand-children, and you’ll be passing teeth next time you go to the loo.

(And before anyone raises the straw man argument of "faux woke outrage", try to imagine how you’d feel if someone joked about putting your grandchildren into chains, whipping them, taking them away from their parents, and then selling them on as if they were animals - because that’s what slavery did).

heero, you stepped over the line with this one.
No - you've overcooked this one.

figgyburn 05-07-2020 13:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
On a slight tangent,i see the NFL/NBL teams are having their annual rethink about teams names,Redskins,Chiefs,Indians,Braves etc.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/03...lb-teams-next/


https://deadline.com/2020/07/clevela...ns-1202977381/

Next for the "chop" will be Indian Motorcycles,Tomahawk missiles,Apache helicopters,etc and you certainly will not be allowed to shout "Geronimo" when you jump from a plane during a parachute jump.
When will this madness end?.

nomadking 05-07-2020 13:28
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36042397)
On a slight tangent,i see the NFL/NBL teams are having their annual rethink about teams names,Redskins,Chiefs,Indians,Braves etc.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/03...lb-teams-next/


https://deadline.com/2020/07/clevela...ns-1202977381/

Next for the "chop" will be Indian Motorcycles,Tomahawk missiles,Apache helicopters,etc and you certainly will not be allowed to shout "Geronimo" when you jump from a plane during a parachute jump.
When will this madness end?.
Are you sure you want to know?

Gavin78 05-07-2020 14:18
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I used to go to a high school that was about 70% black and asian kids. The bullying towards white kids was out of this world this was in the early 90's a few of the harder white kids that used to fight back always got beaten down because word got round that a white kids beat up a black kid so 6 or 7 of them would be waiting for them after school/ This is supposed to be one of the best schools in my area for education as well I hope over the years its got better

Paul 05-07-2020 15:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042388)
Well, come anywhere near my grand-children, and you’ll be passing teeth next time you go to the loo.

(And before anyone raises the straw man argument of "faux woke outrage", try to imagine how you’d feel if someone joked about putting your grandchildren into chains, whipping them, taking them away from their parents, and then selling them on as if they were animals - because that’s what slavery did).

heero, you stepped over the line with this one.
Good grief Hugh, wind your neck in a bit, no one stepped over any lines, maybe you need to take a break.

Sephiroth 05-07-2020 15:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36042397)
On a slight tangent,i see the NFL/NBL teams are having their annual rethink about teams names,Redskins,Chiefs,Indians,Braves etc.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/03...lb-teams-next/


https://deadline.com/2020/07/clevela...ns-1202977381/

Next for the "chop" will be Indian Motorcycles,Tomahawk missiles,Apache helicopters,etc and you certainly will not be allowed to shout "Geronimo" when you jump from a plane during a parachute jump.
When will this madness end?.
When the woke people drop dead.

RichardCoulter 05-07-2020 16:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Estate Agents are the latest ones to jump on the bandwaggon/distance themselves from slavery (depending on which way you look at it):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...link-zhv27mk5j

Apparently, they are to stop using the term 'Master Bedroom' because they believe it could offend their more socially aware clients because it may be thought of as having links to slavery and be viewed as sexist.

During a discussion about in on this mornings 'Sunday Morning Live' show on BBC1, an Asian woman said that there was a lot to be done, but that this was "not the way forward".

Sephiroth 05-07-2020 16:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042423)
Estate Agents are the latest ones to jump on the badwaggon/distance themselves from slavery (depending which way you look at it):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...link-zhv27mk5j

Apparently, they are to stop using the term 'Master Bedroom' because they believe it could offend their more socially aware clients because it may be thought of as having links to slavery and be viewed as sexist.

A discussion about in on this mornings 'Sunday Morning Live' show on BBC1
Jeez - this country is rapidly losing its way. The woke idiots are hell-bent on destroying the English culture and custom.

Boris - do something.

RichardCoulter 05-07-2020 16:50
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36042385)
Maybe we can claim back ownership? :D
Slaves were effectively bought by the Government and then freed, so no!

The Government had to borrow money to do this and the idea of the state compensating slave owners was opposed by some:

https://www.taxjustice.net/2020/06/0...-uk-questions/

Sephiroth 05-07-2020 17:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042427)
Slaves were effectively bought by the Government and then freed, so no!

The Government had to borrow money to do this and the idea of the state compensating slave owners was opposed by some:

https://www.taxjustice.net/2020/06/0...-uk-questions/
From Richard's link, a small extract:

Quote:
Kris Manjapra‘s article, along with the work of historian David Olusoga inspired this blog, our investigations, and our Freedom of Information requests on this subject.

The named people are (I hope) British citizens fully entitled to their opinion and to publish whatever they wish.

But my point here is that they are not of English heritage or culture and their calls to erase the English culture should be rejected. I won't go much into the merits of compensating the slaves - they are long dead and their ancestors, if they could be found, are obviously not entitled to compensation for slavery they have not had to endure.

The article is frankly poisonous, even if there is underlying historical truth.

downquark1 05-07-2020 17:43
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
"master bedroom" was coined in the early 20th century, so the links to slavery is absolutely tenuous at best.

RichardCoulter 05-07-2020 18:05
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042435)
"master bedroom" was coined in the early 20th century, so the links to slavery is absolutely tenuous at best.
Yes, someone also said this on the show. It cannot be linked to slavery if the phrase came into being long after slavery was (legally) abolished.

Pierre 05-07-2020 18:20
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
The amount of virtue signalling right now is blinding and deafening. But that is all it is “virtue signalling”.

Nothing will change at a pace. Corporates will find something else to champion.

Once Covid is under-control or better, and we truly get back to normal, BLM will be nothing more than a memory. They’ll still be around, but more of an annoyance, like the “socialist Worker” crowd used to to be. (Are they still a thing, not been in the town centre recently)

downquark1 05-07-2020 18:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36042442)
The amount of virtue signalling right now is blinding and deafening. But that is all it is “virtue signalling”.

Nothing will change at a pace. Corporates will find something else to champion.

Once Covid is under-control or better, and we truly get back to normal, BLM will be nothing more than a memory. They’ll still be around, but more of an annoyance, like the “socialist Worker” crowd used to to be. (Are they still a thing, not been in the town centre recently)
Oh this is far worse than virtue signalling. "Proper" virtue signalling is suppose to cost you something, like giving to charity or keeping chaste. This is installing landmines into the culture you have to avoid. Soon anyone who accidentality says master bedroom could be sacked or shunned.

nomadking 05-07-2020 19:19
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
As with so many other issues, the seeds have been firmly planted, and have infected everything and everywhere.

Hugh 05-07-2020 20:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042415)
When the woke people drop dead.
”Woke", "Politically Correct", Virtue Signalling" = "not a massive bigot"...

You’re welcome ;)

papa smurf 05-07-2020 20:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042460)
”Woke", "Politically Correct", Virtue Signalling" = "not a massive bigot"...

You’re welcome ;)
Don't you mean wokeome :sorry:

nomadking 05-07-2020 20:18
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042460)
”Woke", "Politically Correct", Virtue Signalling" = "not a massive bigot"...

You’re welcome ;)
How is sacking somebody, or forcing people out, just because they don't agree with you, not being "a massive bigot"?:confused:
Link
Quote:
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

OLD BOY 05-07-2020 20:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042445)
Oh this is far worse than virtue signalling. "Proper" virtue signalling is suppose to cost you something, like giving to charity or keeping chaste. This is installing landmines into the culture you have to avoid. Soon anyone who accidentality says master bedroom could be sacked or shunned.
All this stupid preoccupation with words and statues is taking away from black people the mission of the US BLM movement. It is a deliberate diversion by some people who are trying to undermine the cause and set the majority of the population against it.

Black people should publicly reject these diversionary tactics and reassert the true message and raison d'etre of BLM. It has nothing to do with language, white lives or statues. It is about the way black people are treated now and not how they were treated centuries ago.

The people who are adding stuff to the original message, such as bringing down capitalism, know exactly what they are doing. They should not be allowed to get away with it.

nomadking 05-07-2020 21:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
And we're supposed to believe that BLM to Black people?
Link

Quote:
At least 17 people died and 63 others were injured in Chicago due to gun violence over the Fourth of July weekend so far. Two killed overnight were young, continuing a string of children fatally shot in recent weeks.
The youngest person killed over the weekend was 7-year-old Natalia Wallace, of Chatham. She was shot in the head around 7 p.m. Saturday in the South Austin neighborhood while outside at a family gathering.
A 14-year-old boy was also shot and killed later in the night in Englewood along with three others who have not yet been identified after four men started shooting at a large gathering, according to Chicago police. Four others were injured in the mass shooting, including an 11-year-old boy and a 15-year-old boy.
...This makes the week the third in the row to include the death of a young child. A 20-month-old boy and a 10-year-old girl were killed in separate shootings last weekend. A week earlier, five children were fatally shot, including a 3-year-old boy.
Most of the shootings that occurred from 3 p.m. Thursday to 6 a.m. Sunday happened in the South and West sides, which have long experienced gun violence and gang crime. The only North Side shootings occurred in the Rogers Park district.
That's just one city. And it's the White Police that are expected to have to deal with it.

1andrew1 05-07-2020 21:50
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042475)
And we're supposed to believe that BLM to Black people?
Link

That's just one city. And it's the White Police that are expected to have to deal with it.
Why would the non-white police not get involved?

Sephiroth 05-07-2020 21:52
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042475)
And we're supposed to believe that BLM to Black people?
Link

That's just one city. And it's the White Police that are expected to have to deal with it.
I'm waiting for a woke subscriber to say something like "who's to say it was a black perpetrator".

nomadking 05-07-2020 22:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36042477)
Why would the non-white police not get involved?
Too busy whinging.
Link

Quote:
Black rookie Chicago cop says he’s leaving police union over criticism of kneeling officers. ‘The FOP has not been welcoming to folks like me'

Just look at the pictures of the Police Officers in the articles. Not many non-white police officers.
Link

Hugh 05-07-2020 22:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042478)
I'm waiting for a woke subscriber to say something like "who's to say it was a black perpetrator".
Unlike you to put forward a straw man argument...

---------- Post added at 21:46 ---------- Previous post was at 21:41 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042475)
And we're supposed to believe that BLM to Black people?
Link

That's just one city. And it's the White Police that are expected to have to deal with it.
Criminals = bad people who do bad things
Police protect people from bad people
BLM = don’t want killed by people who are supposed to protect them from bad people

Hope this helps with any confusion you had...

nomadking 05-07-2020 22:57
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042489)
Unlike you to put forward a straw man argument...

---------- Post added at 21:46 ---------- Previous post was at 21:41 ----------

Criminals = bad people who do bad things
Police protect people from bad people
BLM = don’t want killed by people who are supposed to protect them from bad people

Hope this helps with any confusion you had...
But BLM wants to stop the Police dealing with the bad(ie Black) people. Instead they want Black people to be the ones going around killing Black people, or passing around fake money. They want to act with complete impunity. Black people have died at the hands of Black people, as a direct result of all this.

Maggy 05-07-2020 23:59
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042491)
But BLM wants to stop the Police dealing with the bad(ie Black) people. Instead they want Black people to be the ones going around killing Black people, or passing around fake money. They want to act with complete impunity. Black people have died at the hands of Black people, as a direct result of all this.
Eh? Proof?Links?:confused:

pip08456 06-07-2020 00:00
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36042498)
Eh? Proof?Links?:confused:
Defund the police.

Maggy 06-07-2020 09:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36042499)
Defund the police.
Wasn't talking to you..

nomadking 06-07-2020 09:34
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36042498)
Eh? Proof?Links?:confused:
Link

Quote:
My heart also breaks for Dave Patrick Underwood, a black officer in the Federal Protective Service who was shot while guarding an Oakland, Calif., federal courthouse during the unrest in his city.

...
My heart also breaks for David Dorn, a retired African American police captain who was killed in St. Louis while protecting a friend’s pawnshop from looters.

...
My heart breaks for Chris Beaty, an African American former offensive lineman for Indiana University, who was shot dead in an alley in Indianapolis after leaving a demonstration that had turned violent. My heart breaks for Italia Marie Kelly, a 22-year-old black woman in Davenport, Iowa, who was shot in the back while getting into her car, trying to escape a protest that had turned into a riot.
Link

Quote:
A 16-year-old boy was killed and a younger teenager was wounded early Monday in Seattle’s “occupied” protest zone — the second deadly shooting in the area that local officials have vowed to change after business complaints and criticism from President Donald Trump.
The violence that came just over a week after another shooting in the zone left one person dead and another wounded was “dangerous and unacceptable” police Chief Carmen Best said.
Article not accessible in the EU.

ianch99 06-07-2020 09:55
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042320)
There is no need to apologise at all any more than Italy needs to apologise for Roman pillage etc. Every thing evolves. It’ a stupid woke concept.

As regards how the ex-colonised view matters, they are the subject of corrupt and cruel governments and the demand, if any, for compensation comes from those very same corrupted politicians. I’m generalusing because there are minor exceptions.

As regards foreign aid, it has been mis-spent especially when seen in the context of what needs sorting out in the UK.
You're having fun with your new word. You think invading countries, subjugating their people and exploiting their resources is just part of "evolving" and so is legitimate? Strange moral compass you have.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042344)
The "colonial powers" were last into slavery, and FIRST out. In Africa, slaves were taken by Black people. Slavery existed in Africa long before the White slave traders turned up. If anything it is the FACT that slavery existed before, that gave the White slave traders the idea in the first place. Not really much evidence around that time in White "western" societies of slavery, before visiting Africa.
Another strange moral position: the Africans were doing it already so where's the problem if we just join in and help ourselves? Also, Indentured servitude, a step not much removed from slavery, was a common practice in Europe and the New World:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Indentured_servitude

Quote:
An indentured servant or indentured laborer is an employee (indenturee) within a system of unfree labor who is bound by a signed or forced contract (indenture) to work without pay for the owner of the indenture for a period of time. The contract often lets the employer sell the labor of an indenturee to a third party. Indenturees usually enter into an indenture for a specific payment or other benefit (such as transportation to a new place), or to meet a legal obligation, such as debt bondage. On completion of the contract, indentured servants were given their freedom, and occasionally plots of land. Indentured servitude was often brutal, with a high percentage[vague] of servants dying prior to the expiration of their indentures. In many countries, systems of indentured labor have now been outlawed, and are banned by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a form of slavery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36042345)
I don't think it is for us to apologise for the acts of our forefathers. That's pretty pathetic. Maybe we should tell the Italians to apologise to us for the Roman Invasion and for the atrocities inflicted on British people ordered by Emperor Claudius. The whole idea of apologising for our history is farcical, to say the least.

As for the Foreign Aid programme, there are not many who would begrudge disaster relief, but you must know very well that a huge amount is wasted. That is what we object to.
Another one for "well, what about the Romans?" If you didn't use such ridiculous comparisons, you might be able to debate the point. As this is an Internal forum, we need to involve WWII so let's ask this question: should the German people feel guilty and apologise for the actions of the Nazi Party?

Ah you say, Great Britain was nothing like the Nazi's so the comparison is invalid and of course, we're British after all. But the Germans invaded sovereign countries and we never .. ok, maybe we did. The Germans plundered the wealth & resources of the conquered and we never .. ok, maybe we did. And So On ..

If it is wrong, it is wrong. There are degrees of wrong but they are still wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36042346)
Absolutely. Why would anyone apologise for something 200+ years ago, over which they had zero control. The whole idea is nonsense..
I was not just referring to the issue of Slavery rather the consequence of having a colonial past.

nomadking 06-07-2020 10:54
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
If you're going to criticise the "colonial powers", then you MUST criticise those who not only at the SAME time, but BEFORE and AFTER, actually facilitated all of it. Without those Black African others, the "colonial powers" would never been involved in any way. It wouldn't have even occurred to them. The "colonial powers" DIDN'T enslave them, Black Africans did. Perhaps all that should be taught as part of Black history.


A seven year old girl killed in Chicago, along with an eight year old girl in Atlanta. Bet they feel proud.:mad:

heero_yuy 06-07-2020 11:09
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun: A figurehead of the Black Lives Matter movement who has given speeches alongside Star Wars actor John Boyega believes the campaign has been "hijacked" by a group of far-Left activists.

Imarn Ayton, 29, said she organised the Black Lives Matter protest in London's Parliament Square on June 6 and a peaceful rally in Hyde Park on June 20.

In an outspoken attack, she vented her fury at Black Lives Matter UK, the campaign group that has attracted more than £1m in donations.

Black Lives Matter UK has supported defunding the police, overthrowing capitalism and "targeted sanctions against Israel's apartheid regime".

Actress Imarn told the Mail on Sunday: "The Black Lives Matter movement is a separate entity to Black Lives Matter UK. I have no contact with Black Lives Matter UK and they have not been on the ground once.

"A lot of people assume they were the driving force behind the protest when in actual fact they just support the protests.

"The issue with BLM UK is they have not revealed themselves, they have not been transparent. They are abolitionists, they believe in the removal of prisons, smashing capitalism and abolishing the police."

Black Lives Matter UK was formed in 2016 but rose to prominence this year after the death of George Floyd in the US and a campaign in Britain to tear down statues of figures linked to slavery or colonialism.

A crowdfunding campaign launched by the group on June 2 has raised £1.1 million.
Looks like anarchists.

Sephiroth 06-07-2020 11:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042530)
If you're going to criticise the "colonial powers", then you MUST criticise those who not only at the SAME time, but BEFORE and AFTER, actually facilitated all of it. Without those Black African others, the "colonial powers" would never been involved in any way. It wouldn't have even occurred to them. The "colonial powers" DIDN'T enslave them, Black Africans did. Perhaps all that should be taught as part of Black history.
... not to mention the Arabs who don't give a fig about anyone else, especially infidels.

ianch is so damn woke that he can't take a common sense view. The past is the past and it is the present and future that matters.

Btw, just to put the proverbial spanner into ianch's works, places like Zimbabwe, dare I say, Kenya, Rwanda and similar ilk would thrive if they were under benevolent British administration. Of course they wouldn't stand for it - the leaders would be deprived of their corrupt gains.

In ianch's world, all statues of people deemed to have been connected with past practices that are deprecated by the woke lot, will be torn down; the Queen's head would have to come off stamps because here grandfather was an arch colonialist.

We have bigger problems to face like how long it will take at present ethnic birth rates before we all have to face east. Start worrying.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1665803...ports-guardian

Quote:
According to Bullivant, many young Europeans “will have been baptised and then never darken the door of a church again. Cultural religious identities just aren’t being passed on from parents to children. It just washes straight off them.”

The figures for the UK were partly explained by high immigration, he added. “One in five Catholics in the UK were not born in the UK.

“And we know the Muslim birthrate is higher than the general population, and they have much higher [religious] retention rates.”

OLD BOY 06-07-2020 12:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042521)

Another one for "well, what about the Romans?" If you didn't use such ridiculous comparisons, you might be able to debate the point. As this is an Internal forum, we need to involve WWII so let's ask this question: should the German people feel guilty and apologise for the actions of the Nazi Party?

Ah you say, Great Britain was nothing like the Nazi's so the comparison is invalid and of course, we're British after all. But the Germans invaded sovereign countries and we never .. ok, maybe we did. The Germans plundered the wealth & resources of the conquered and we never .. ok, maybe we did. And So On ..

If it is wrong, it is wrong. There are degrees of wrong but they are still wrong.
It is not a ridiculous comparison. The Roman invasion of Britain happened. So did slavery. Both are in the past and cannot be changed, that was my point.

The German people apologise for Hitler? No, they shouldn't - the current generation was not born during his time, so why should they?

I don't disagree with your last paragraph - of course the events we are discussing were wrong. But for this generation to apologise for the misdeeds of previous generations is just nuts. Nowt to do with me, guv.

nomadking 06-07-2020 12:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
The Black African involvement in slavery didn't happen in a different era. It cannot be dismissed in the same manner as slavery under the Romans. The Black African involvement led to the "colonial power" involvement, not the other way around.


Perhaps Saint Patrick's Day should be banned, as the Irish kidnapped and sold him into slavery. :D

Maggy 06-07-2020 12:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042517)
Link


Link


Article not accessible in the EU.
2 links I cannot access and the 3rd doesn't prove your point at all.

nomadking 06-07-2020 12:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36042540)
2 links I cannot access and the 3rd doesn't prove your point at all.
I managed to access the first 2 links. That is how I was able to include quotes from the articles. Unless you're saying I made them up. Plenty of other articles out there about the same and other events.

BBC
Quote:
A teenager has been killed and another critically wounded in a shooting in Seattle's autonomous zone.
One teenager, 16, was fatally shot and died after being taken to hospital. The other victim, 14, is in intensive care.
Daily Mirror
Quote:
A retired police officer has been shot dead while defending a friend's store from 'looting' amid unrest in the United States.
Former police captain David Dorn died in a pool of blood on a pavement in St Louis on Tuesday morning as protests erupted around the states.

pip08456 06-07-2020 13:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36042540)
2 links I cannot access and the 3rd doesn't prove your point at all.
"These are the 13 people who have died since George Floyd protests started last week

Calvin L. Horton Jr., a 43-year-old black man, was fatally shot outside of a pawn shop in Minneapolis a week ago, apparently the first killing in the unrest. The pawn shop was looted, and the store’s owner was arrested and jailed following the shooting, according to The Star Tribune newspaper.


Javar Harrell, a 21-year-old black man, was shot and killed while sitting in a car amid protests in downtown Detroit on Friday, according to WJBK.
Dave Patrick Underwood, a black 53-year-old federal officer, was shot and killed during a protest in Oakland, Calif., on Friday night, according to the FBI. Underwood was securing a U.S. courthouse.
Cops said a man died after getting caught by the wheel of a FedEx truck and then dragged in St. Louis amid the city’s protests Saturday morning, KMOV reported.
Chris Beaty, a 38-year-old former Indiana University offensive lineman, was killed Saturday night in Indianapolis. Beaty, who was black, was nicknamed “Mr. Indianapolis.” Indiana football coach Tom Allen said in a statement, “His passion for life and Indiana Football energized me every time we were together.”
James Scurlock, a 22-year-old black man, was fatally shot Saturday during a struggle with a white bar owner in Omaha, Neb., authorities said. No charges were filed against the owner. Nicholas Harden, Scurlock’s brother, said he had “a heart of gold” and was “trying to protect people’s lives,” according to KMTV. Harden called for further investigation into the case.
Dorian Murrell, a black 18-year-old, was killed in Indianapolis Sunday morning amid the protests. “We’re going through a lot because he was like the glue that held us together,” said Dorian’s brother, Armon Mathis, according to WXIN. A 29-year-old suspect was arrested.
David McAtee, the black 53-year-old owner of a barbecue joint in Louisville, was shot and killed by the police just after midnight Monday at his business. McAtee’s mother told The Daily Beast that the beloved cook would feed cops for free. The police chief in the city was terminated after it was discovered that officers’ body cameras were off at the time of the shooting. Louisville police said McAtee fired shots outside his business the night he died.
Italia Kelly, 22, was fatally shot while leaving a protest in Davenport, Iowa, early Monday. "She was always smiling, always laughing. That’s why it’s so sad that she was taken in such a violent way,” said Amy Hale, Kelly’s aunt, according to The AP.
Another person, who was not identified, was shot to death and found in Davenport, according to cops.
Two people were killed Monday in protests in the suburban Chicago town of Cicero, a town official reported. Their identities weren’t immediately released.
David Dorn, a retired St. Louis police captain, was fatally shot in St. Louis at a pawn shop, authorities said Tuesday. The Ethical Society of Police, which represents black officers in the city, said in a tweet, “He was murdered by looters at a pawnshop. He was the type of brother that would’ve given his life to save them if he had to.”

Hugh 06-07-2020 14:11
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36042499)
Defund the police.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...it-have-merit/
Quote:
"Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew. Camden, New Jersey, is a good example. Nearly a decade ago, Camden disbanded (abolished) its police force and dissolved the local police union. This approach seems to be what Minneapolis will do in some form, though the nuances are important.

Different from abolishing and starting anew, defunding police highlights fiscal responsibility, advocates for a market-driven approach to taxpayer money, and has some potential benefits that will reduce police violence and crime...

... WHAT DEFUNDING LOOKS LIKE

In recent weeks, some large municipalities with a history of police brutality have reallocated funds in line with the defund police movement. Los Angeles will have at least $100 million reallocated away from LAPD to programs for minority communities. San Francisco Mayor London Breed said that she will work with community groups to reprioritize funding. Baltimore City Council voted to reallocate $22 million away from the police department’s fiscal budget for 2021, which is typically over $500 million. The city council plans to redirect the funding to recreational centers, trauma centers, and forgivable loans for Black-owned businesses. Prince George’s County, Maryland, aims to reallocate $20 million away from a new training facility for its police department (though the money will not come out of the police department’s budget) and to remove student resource officers from schools. Other areas, such as Minneapolis, have advocated for removing police officers from schools as well.

Altogether, it is clear that municipalities across the U.S. are making changes in line with the defund police movement. So, while the word “reallocate” may be a more palatable, digestible word on the House floor or at a city council meeting, “defund” surely gets more attention on a protest sign. And more importantly, it seems to be having an impact.

downquark1 06-07-2020 14:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
This is utter bullshit. You can't make a political statement that sounds like the complete opposite of what you actually mean and then get to patronisingly explain what you ACTUALLY meant by this. This is the opposite of good communication and as I have said is only there to agitate people.

Paul 06-07-2020 19:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Different from abolishing and starting anew, defunding police highlights fiscal responsibility, advocates for a market-driven approach to taxpayer money, and has some potential benefits that will reduce police violence and crime...
Totally meaningless nonsense.
What "Benefits" ? How will it reduce violence and crime ?

Quote:
Los Angeles will have at least $100 million reallocated away from LAPD to programs for minority communities. San Francisco Mayor London Breed said that she will work with community groups to reprioritize funding. Baltimore City Council voted to reallocate $22 million away from the police department’s fiscal budget for 2021, which is typically over $500 million. The city council plans to redirect the funding to recreational centers, trauma centers, and forgivable loans for Black-owned businesses.
What about programs for the Majority ?
What about loans for non black owned businesses ?
So much for equal opportunities and tackling racism eh, this is just reverse racism, again.

1andrew1 06-07-2020 20:08
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36042572)
This is utter bullshit. You can't make a political statement that sounds like the complete opposite of what you actually mean and then get to patronisingly explain what you ACTUALLY meant by this. This is the opposite of good communication and as I have said is only there to agitate people.
Crass and confusing as it is, politicians and lobby groups have been doing this for years. They can get away with it as political advertising is not regulated.

Pierre 06-07-2020 21:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042521)
You're having fun with your new word. You think invading countries, subjugating their people and exploiting their resources is just part of "evolving" and so is legitimate? Strange moral compass you have.
To be fair, that was the way the world operated since the dawn of time until the last hundred years or so.

Damien 06-07-2020 23:19
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36042596)
To be fair, that was the way the world operated since the dawn of time until the last hundred years or so.
Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.

Sephiroth 06-07-2020 23:24
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36042601)
Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.
Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.

ianch99 07-07-2020 00:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042534)
... not to mention the Arabs who don't give a fig about anyone else, especially infidels.

ianch is so damn woke that he can't take a common sense view. The past is the past and it is the present and future that matters.

Btw, just to put the proverbial spanner into ianch's works, places like Zimbabwe, dare I say, Kenya, Rwanda and similar ilk would thrive if they were under benevolent British administration. Of course they wouldn't stand for it - the leaders would be deprived of their corrupt gains.

In ianch's world, all statues of people deemed to have been connected with past practices that are deprecated by the woke lot, will be torn down; the Queen's head would have to come off stamps because here grandfather was an arch colonialist.

We have bigger problems to face like how long it will take at present ethnic birth rates before we all have to face east. Start worrying.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1665803...ports-guardian
I think your use of your new favourite insult is getting tiresome. Your labeling of a complex issue by a trite pejorative is lazy to say the least. The word is used to shut down debate and to misdirect.

The fact that you, I assume with a straight face, suggest a new "benevolent British administration" for Kenya, etc. betrays a rose tinted view of the Empire where you focus exclusively on the perceived positives and ignore all of the negatives. That is the essence of British Exceptionalism I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36042601)
Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.
You are so right. It also wasn't progressed by accepting that invasion, subjugation and exploitation was "the way the world operated"

Hugh 07-07-2020 00:24
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042602)
Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.
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Congratulations!

You managed to get a full line on "buzzword bingo" - you are today’s winner on the "Oh my God, "they’re" taking over!" Daily Telegraph comments competition. ;)

Paul 07-07-2020 00:33
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36042605)
... a rose tinted view of the Empire where you focus exclusively on the perceived positives and ignore all of the negatives.
How is that different from the opposite which seems to be the in thing atm, focus exclusively on the perceived negatives and ignore all of the positives ?

1andrew1 07-07-2020 00:38
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042602)
Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.
Come on Seph, Old Bean. You're coming across as a tad defensive with your frequent wolfwhistles of "woke". The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.

Paul 07-07-2020 00:40
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The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.
You're expecting a meteroite strike ? :erm:

Mr K 07-07-2020 08:10
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You're expecting a meteroite strike ? :erm:
Only a matter of time Paul ! ;) ( although climate change is a far bigger risk....)

Maggy 07-07-2020 09:46
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36042609)
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Congratulations!

You managed to get a full line on "buzzword bingo" - you are today’s winner on the "Oh my God, "they’re" taking over!" Daily Telegraph comments competition. ;)
Oh you are awful but I like you..


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