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1andrew1 14-04-2018 13:11

Brazen about-face by Trump in TPP policy rethink
 
A sensible decision if Trump is serious about standing up to China. Obama designed TTP as an economic defence against a rising China. The cent seems to finally have dropped with Trump, against a background of his failure to deliver a bilateral deal with countries like Japan and growing anger from the agricultural community that they have both been denied major new markets and that they will be in the firing line for reciprocal tariffs from China.

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Donald Trump has built a reputation over his first 15 months in office as an impetuous leader prone to destabilising policy U-turns. But even for him, his move this week to order top economic advisers to re-examine the case for joining the vast Trans-Pacific Partnership is particularly brazen...

If it results in the US rejoining the TPP with Japan and 10 other Pacific Rim economies, Thursday’s move to order Larry Kudlow, the new head of his National Economic Council, and US trade representative Robert Lighthizer to study the case for doing so will have launched the biggest economic policy shift of Mr Trump’s presidency...

Mary Lovely, a Syracuse University trade expert, said any negotiations to rejoin the TPP would probably drag well into next year. As a result they were unlikely to give Mr Trump any quick political victory in farm states. But as a strategic response to China the TPP remained the best option by far, she said.
https://www.ft.com/content/bc65dd72-...0-52972418fec4

Hugh 15-04-2018 12:08

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943603)
Nope it’s not trouble. Cohen is his lawyer. Cohen hasn’t been indicted. He is free to talk to him.

Trump could Pardin him tomorrow if he wanted. Given a Federal Judge has granted Trump to intervene. Re. Client Privilege. He can talk to him about the lawsuit they won today.

Trump can only pardon people for Federal crimes, not State crimes - Cohen is being investigated as part an ongoing grand jury investigation being conducted by the U.S. Attorneys' Office in the Southern District of New York

1andrew1 15-04-2018 12:46

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943718)
Trump can only pardon people for Federal crimes, not State crimes - Cohen is being investigated as part an ongoing grand jury investigation being conducted by the U.S. Attorneys' Office in the Southern District of New York

Agreed. For the avoidance of doubt, Cohen has been under criminal investigation for months, largely in relation to his personal business dealings and not to his work as an attorney. It is believed that these business dealings refer to the $130k payment made to Stephanie Clifford/Stormy Daniels.

Mick 15-04-2018 16:41

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943718)
Trump can only pardon people for Federal crimes, not State crimes - Cohen is being investigated as part an ongoing grand jury investigation being conducted by the U.S. Attorneys' Office in the Southern District of New York

You keep telling me things I already know, I am well aware of the justice system in the U.S and other internal workings of the government.

However, as for the crime, he has not been charged with anything yet so we don't actually know if he has committed a Federal crime or State crime.

At the end of the day, the witch hunt started by biased and corrupt individuals to attempt a coup against the duly elected President of the United States, is being slowly unpicked and the perpetrators weeded out. (Comey, McCabe, certainly appearing to look like bent cops, appearing to be propped up by Crooked Hillary and DNC, who paid for the dossier with information said to be from Russians, that's the real collusion).

What is it Mueller is actually investigating now, huh?

No evidence of Russian collusion, collusion itself is not actually a crime...

It needs to be shut down, it's a rogue investigation with the lead prosecutor (Mueller) on a fishing expedition.

We're learning this weekend, from Comey's new book, about making a judgement on the Crooked Hillary investigation weeks before the election and deciding on whether to hold back on making an announcement.

Because he felt she was going to win (Thank heavens she didn't), he decided to announce just weeks before November 8th that the FBI was re-opening the Clinton email investigation, he said he couldn't wait on it after this date, because if she would have been elected, he said she would have been illegitimate. IMO that's abuse of power, if a crime investigation is being re-opened, you don't ponder to sit on something. Of course we know what happened and he decided not to wait, but the fact he was pondering on it depending on the polls, suggests is reasoning is very questionable being responsible for the FBI.

In his new book he has also thrown former Attorney General, Loretta Lynch under the bus, by suggesting there is yet, an undisclosed, still classified piece of information on Lynch that suggests it is quite the scandal, that the American people are not yet aware of. Wonder if it is something to do with meeting Bill Clinton on the back of a plane, while it sat on the tarmac in Phoenix just days before the FBI were due to announce the end of the Clinton email investigation..... the so called official reasoning being....that they are discussing the grandkids for 40 minutes. Yeah sure. BOLLOCKS, I say! :rolleyes:

Hugh 15-04-2018 20:10

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
It’s amazing that all these Republicans who were nominated by Trump, or by people nominated by people Trump gave positions to, are all conspiring against Trump...

Re Trump’s assertion that "collusion isn’t a crime" - Rosenstein’s brief to Mueller begs to differ, when he wrote that Mueller had the authority to investigate:
Quote:

Allegations that Paul Manafort:

Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law;
Also, another part of his brief makes clear that he has the authority to investigate obstruction of justice—including obstruction of his own investigation. You know, saying things in the May 10th meeting with the Russians like
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“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mick 15-04-2018 21:09

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943746)
It’s amazing that all these Republicans who were nominated by Trump, or by people nominated by people Trump gave positions to, are all conspiring against Trump...

Re Trump’s assertion that "collusion isn’t a crime" - Rosenstein’s brief to Mueller begs to differ, when he wrote that Mueller had the authority to investigate:

Also, another part of his brief makes clear that he has the authority to investigate obstruction of justice—including obstruction of his own investigation. You know, saying things in the May 10th meeting with the Russians like

And yet Paul Manafort has been indicted on charges totally unrelated to any collusion. Same with General Flynn.

Mueller has nothing on collusion, this is why he is now "squeezing' Cohen to get him to cooperate and dish the dirt on Trump. If there is any to dish. The entire witch hunt needs to be shut down, it is a fraudulent investigation, set up by bent officials in the DoJ and FBI, who clearly think they are above the law, think they can mislead a FISA court to spy on Americans, mainly Carter Page, but more crucially, Trump and his transition team. Totally ILLEGAL!!

Damien 16-04-2018 07:26

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Mueller was appointed in part because of the amount of leaks from the FBI making their investigation untenable. Now that Mueller’s investigation is isn’t telling everyone what is happening it must be because he isn’t doing anything?

If he has nothing then there is no risk to Trump. We know stuff is happening because from time to time he pops up with charges for someone such as the Russians that were implicated .
Mueller also is investigating Russian interference and anything relating to it.

1andrew1 16-04-2018 10:06

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943770)
Mueller was appointed in part because of the amount of leaks from the FBI making their investigation untenable. Now that Mueller’s investigation is isn’t telling everyone what is happening it must be because he isn’t doing anything?

If he has nothing then there is no risk to Trump. We know stuff is happening because from time to time he pops up with charges for someone such as the Russians that were implicated .
Mueller also is investigating Russian interference and anything relating to it.

Agreed. Mueller's investigation has been remarkably low profile. The only person who seems to be highlighting it is Trump.

Mick 16-04-2018 10:58

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35943781)
Agreed. Mueller's investigation has been remarkably low profile. The only person who seems to be highlighting it is Trump.

Mueller has been anything but low profile. Plenty of leaks have come out about his investigation, information that got out to the New York Times, no doubt by bent cops.

Damien 16-04-2018 11:00

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943783)
Mueller has been anything but low profile. Plenty of leaks have come out about his investigation, information that got out to the New York Times, no doubt by bent cops.

What has leaked? There was been very little. The only thing really is that he wants to interview Trump.

1andrew1 16-04-2018 11:25

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943784)
What has leaked? There was been very little. The only thing really is that he wants to interview Trump.

Exactly. By nature he is someone who steers away from the spotlight helping make him an ideal choice for this investigation.
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For a guy used to high-profile roles, Mueller doesn’t like the spotlight
Though he directed the highest profile law enforcement agency during one of the most momentous times in recent U.S. history, Mueller has eschewed the public spotlight at almost every opportunity. He did not travel with an entourage, rarely sat for media interviews and was famous for logging grueling hours, often starting days before sunrise and leaving well after dark.

“That’s how he survived…because he kept a low profile,” said Pistole, Mueller's former No. 2 who now leads Indiana's Anderson University. “He would let his and the bureau’s work speak for itself.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/101811990/

Mick 16-04-2018 11:26

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Very little?

Loads of stuff has leaked, plenty of stuff about Gates was leaked, as the media like to say “A person familiar with the matter.”

Or “two confirmed who were party to the conversation”.

Hugh 16-04-2018 13:03

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943790)
Very little?

Loads of stuff has leaked, plenty of stuff about Gates was leaked, as the media like to say “A person familiar with the matter.”

Or “two confirmed who were party to the conversation”.

Those, of course, could have been from the interviewees or their lawyers...

Stephen 16-04-2018 14:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43779359
Quote:

Former FBI director James Comey has said Donald Trump is "morally unfit to be president" and treats women like "pieces of meat".

Mr Comey was giving his first major television interview since he was fired by President Trump last year.

He told ABC News that Mr Trump lies constantly and may have obstructed justice.

Hours before the interview aired, the president went on the offensive, accusing Mr Comey of "many lies".

Mr Comey told ABC's 20/20 programme on Sunday night: "I don't buy this stuff about him being mentally incompetent or early stages of dementia."

"I don't think he's medically unfit to be president. I think he's morally unfit to be president.

"Our president must embody respect and adhere to the values that are at the core of this country. The most important being truth. This president is not able to do that," Mr Comey said.

Mick 16-04-2018 14:27

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Looks like the fired employee has an axe to grind, fellow law enforcement, particulary on CNN of all places said Comey was a "Feckless leader."

Comey didn't hold back on President Obama as well, said he acted inappropriately on two occasions when he spoke publicly and took it upon himself to exonerate Hillary Clinton, saying there was nothing to the allegations, Comey said it was inappropriate because there was an active criminal investigation on Hillary that had not yet been concluded, he was concerned that FBI investigators could be "shaped" in to holding out on the Presidents words.

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Here is the clip.... CNN Throw Down: Gagliano Torches Stelter’s Lionization of ‘Feckless Leader’ Comey

https://www.cnsnews.com/video/cnn-th...s-leader-comey

Hugh 16-04-2018 20:36

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.14f73c49bfad
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Trump puts the brakes on new Russian sanctions, reversing Haley’s announcement

President Trump on Monday put the brakes on a preliminary plan to impose additional economic sanctions on Russia, walking back a Sunday announcement by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley that the Kremlin had swiftly denounced as “international economic raiding.”...

...Sometime after Haley’s comments on CBS, the Trump administration notified the Russian Embassy in Washington that the sanctions were not in fact coming, a Russian Foreign Ministry official said Monday...

...Haley said Sunday on CBS: “You will see that Russian sanctions will be coming down. Secretary Mnuchin will be announcing those on Monday, if he hasn’t already. And they will go directly to any sort of companies that were dealing with equipment related to Assad and chemical weapons used. And so I think everyone is going to feel it at this point. I think everyone knows that we sent a strong message, and our hope is that they listen to it.”


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On a (slightly related) note -

Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, represented just three people in the last few years.

1) Trump - for whom Cohen paid $130,000 (without Trump knowing, apparently) to porn star Stormy Daniels, to keep her silent.

2) Elliott Broidy - Former Republican National Committee official who resigned after it became public that he'd gotten a Playboy model pregnant while have an extramarital affair - Cohen worked out a deal with the model for $1.6 million for her silence.

3) Cohen tried to keep the 3rd one secret - today U.S. District Court judge Kimba Wood (appointed by Reagan) forced Cohen to reveal the name of that client.

Sean Hannity.

Mick 16-04-2018 20:46

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Are we sure this not an attempt by Russia to misinform.

No other outlet is reporting this, in fact one outlet updated less than an hour ago says the U.S is still considering sanctions ???

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943838)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.14f73c49bfad

Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, represented just three people in the last few years.

1) Trump - for whom Cohen paid $130,000 (without Trump knowing, apparently) to porn star Stormy Daniels, to keep her silent.

2) Elliott Broidy - Former Republican National Committee official who resigned after it became public that he'd gotten a Playboy model pregnant while have an extramarital affair - Cohen worked out a deal with the model for $1.6 million for her silence.

3) Cohen tried to keep the 3rd one secret - today U.S. District Court judge Kimba Wood (appointed by Reagan) forced Cohen to reveal the name of that client.

Sean Hannity.

And?

What is illegal about representing Sean Hannity in this total witch hunt of a non-story ?

1andrew1 16-04-2018 20:50

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The most recommended comment in today's FT makes an incisive point.
Quote:

Quote from poster named RiskAdjustedReturn

One mystery that no one has explained is why Trump can never bring himself to personally say anything bad about Putin.

He bashes the Democrats, he bashes the Republicans, he bashes the Congress, he bashes our entire Justice Department, he bashes the entire US Press, he bashes our neighbors Canada and Mexico, he bashes China, he bashes Germany, he bashes our trade partners in Asia, he bashes our NATO allies, etc.

He even bashes his own cabinet members that he hired himself!

But he can never, ever bash Putin!
https://www.ft.com/content/3d8cd2c6-...a-295c97e6fd0b

Damien 16-04-2018 20:50

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Not illegal. Just interesting.

1andrew1 16-04-2018 20:54

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943842)
What is illegal about representing Sean Hannity in this total witch hunt of a non-story ?

One point I can see is whether Sean Hannity would have had to declare a conflict of interest when reporting/commenting on matters in which his lawyer was involved. I don't know the legalities of this.

Damien 16-04-2018 20:59

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35943847)
One point I can see is whether Sean Hannity would have had to declare a conflict of interest when reporting/commenting on matters in which his lawyer was involved. I don't know the legalities of this.

It's not illegal for reporters to hide conflicts of interests. Not that Sean Hannity is a reporter as such.

Mick 16-04-2018 21:10

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35943844)
The most recommended comment in today's FT makes an incisive point.

https://www.ft.com/content/3d8cd2c6-...a-295c97e6fd0b

Clearly Fake News.... An actual Trump tweet last week.... criticising Putin, in name, propping up Assad... he's done more than what Corbyn has for sure.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1523909242

Damien 16-04-2018 21:42

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
A comment is such a comment, not fake news.

Hugh 16-04-2018 21:52

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943842)
Are we sure this not an attempt by Russia to misinform.

No other outlet is reporting this, in fact one outlet updated less than an hour ago says the U.S is still considering sanctions ???

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And?

What is illegal about representing Sean Hannity in this total witch hunt of a non-story ?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...-sanctions-for

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nctions-526856

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/16/p...sia/index.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ions-on-russia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...previewed.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ssia-sanctions

https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/trump-...rruling-haley/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3937160

Haley said on Sunday Haley that sanctions against Moscow will "be coming down" on Monday; today Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "We are considering additional sanctions on Russia and a decision will be made in the near future".

Mick 16-04-2018 22:22

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
None of those showed up on my google search. Either way, perhaps Nikki spoke out of step. Not her role to decide on Sanctions. That’s up to the U.S government. We will see what happens down the line. Not that Sanctions really work.

Hugh 16-04-2018 22:36

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Haley is in a Cabinet-level position and is on the NSC, so she is a member of the US Government.

Putin thinks sanctions are worthless, that must be why he complains about them so much...

Mick 16-04-2018 22:39

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Still, it’s not stopped his countries behaviour.

pip08456 16-04-2018 22:42

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35943812)

Don't forget "Mr. Comey" is presently promoting his book.

1andrew1 16-04-2018 23:14

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Interesting piece about James Comey by the BBC's North American editor Jon Soppel who has read the book and watched the interviews. He concludes that Comey is still a threat as Trump has been unable to prove him a liar. And Trump's poor record on the truth front won't make this task easy.
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He is deeply flawed. But ultimately it will come down to a question of who do you believe: the president or his former FBI director?

One has a bit of a track record of, how can one put this, making assertions that don't bear close scrutiny (for example, the false claims that Obama wasn't born in the US, therefore was illegitimate as president, that Muslims in New Jersey cheered when the twin towers came down in 2001, that the crowds for his inauguration were bigger than Obama's, that three million people voted illegally and that his was the biggest electoral college victory since Reagan - I could go on).

The other does not.

The president has called Comey a slimeball. Quite possibly. But to neutralise him fully, Donald Trump has to undermine his credibility, and prove he's a liar. That hasn't happened yet, so for the moment the 6ft 8in former FBI director can still walk tall.

And that makes him dangerous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43718532

Mick 16-04-2018 23:47

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Comey has his signature on a dodgy FISA Application. He leaked his Classified memos to the press. Comey should have a lot to worry about, legally, so is not walking tall, IMO and even more so as fellow law enforcement officials come out against his stance and book writing.

RizzyKing 17-04-2018 05:56

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Sanctions may not have stopped all of Russia's games but they have severely limited them and nearly month on month the defence budget is revised downward with some new equipment orders placed on hold. Further sanctions will tighten the economic noose even further possibly to the point that Putin won't be able to hide them from the Russian people and may start to cut into his budget for nuclear rearmament which is about the only thing keeping him at most serious tables.

Mick 17-04-2018 11:02

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Putin has already amassed a sizeable wealth. Further sanctions won’t do a thing. I guarantee it. Past Sanctions have not stopped any if their games, in fact they are increasing their hostilities, increased cyber attacks. The attempted murder on British soil, using Nerve Agent. Flying warplanes near to or approaching British airspace....

Russia already has a sizeable military hardware and stockpiles. Let’s not pretend that just because their economy is suffering, they won’t be able to suddenly defend themselves.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943852)
A comment is such a comment, not fake news.

Yes it is, it’s inaccurate. It calls out Trump, says he’s never called out Putin/Russia, yet there is tweets and speeches where he has. It’s Fake News.

Damien 17-04-2018 11:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943928)
Putin has already amassed a sizeable wealth. Further sanctions won’t do a thing. I guarantee it. Past Sanctions have not stopped any if their games, in fact they are increasing their hostilities, increased cyber attacks. The attempted murder on British soil, using Nerve Agent. Flying warplanes near to or approaching British airspace....

Russia already has a sizeable military hardware and stockpiles. Let’s not pretend that just because their economy is suffering, they won’t be able to suddenly defend themselves.

The sanctions aren't designed to hurt Putin's personal wealth but to put domestic pressure on him, especially amongst the oligarchs, to stop provoking the West. Putin is only granted his power by the various factions within the Kremlin and other Russian elites. In the end he is only one man.

So the hope is sanctions cause him enough trouble with some of these people that for his own self-preservation he has cede some compromise. There is a good, quick, BBC overview of the factions that make up Russia's ruling elite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQ3O9urYMc

At the very least the sanctions mean he has to annoy some people domestically, they offer some resistance and political cost to him. At the end of the day it's really the only tool we have since we're not going to invade.

RizzyKing 17-04-2018 11:54

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Mick continued sanctions are hurting Russia's military yes they have vast stockpiles of obselete equipment and of their current ground forces only flagship Putin supporting formations have anywhere near full combat capability much of their military equipment is rotting away from a lack of spare parts and trained personnel to install them. This is being repeated within their air force and navy and the longer sanctions go on the less money there is to remedy the situation as much as 50% of Russia's nuclear arsenal is not oprationally capable of course the remaining 50% is sufficient but the degradation is ongoing and as that situation worsens so we see more aggressive rhetoric and increased cyber attacks as that's relatively cheap to continue.

Sanctions are working and if they are further tightened Putin's position becomes weaker not only with the wealthy Russian's Damien mentioned but the military who were promised a resurgence by Putin that he no longer has the budget to fulfill.

Hugh 17-04-2018 13:49

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943928)
Putin has already amassed a sizeable wealth. Further sanctions won’t do a thing. I guarantee it. Past Sanctions have not stopped any if their games, in fact they are increasing their hostilities, increased cyber attacks. The attempted murder on British soil, using Nerve Agent. Flying warplanes near to or approaching British airspace....

Russia already has a sizeable military hardware and stockpiles. Let’s not pretend that just because their economy is suffering, they won’t be able to suddenly defend themselves.

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Yes it is, it’s inaccurate. It calls out Trump, says he’s never called out Putin/Russia, yet there is tweets and speeches where he has. It’s Fake News.

He didn’t say Putin/Russia, he said Putin...

Trump has criticised Putin once - he’s criticised serving members of his own staff and Cabinet more.

The closest Trump has come to criticising Putin before was more than a year ago, in an interview, when Trump said “And frankly, Putin is backing a person that's truly an evil person." (talking about Assad after a previous chemical weapons attack).

Of course, if you have links to where Trump has personally criticised Trump (other than the two instances I’ve mentioned), more than happy to admit I’m wrong.

Mick 17-04-2018 14:40

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943966)

Of course, if you have links to where Trump has personally criticised Trump (other than the two instances I’ve mentioned), more than happy to admit I’m wrong.

Why would Trump call himself ? :confused:

I think I got your point.

You go on about him not criticising Putin because of your very obvious hate for the man, and that's fine to hate him - I hate Crooked Hillary for the potential crimes she has committed and it appears she has appeared so far to get away with them. That said, I see no criticisms on Corbyn by you, who has not even once called out Putin by name and still refuses to do so. You say Trump has called out on Putin once, it's bloody more times than the leader of the opposition IN this Country has.

Hugh 17-04-2018 20:18

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I don't hate Trump, I hate what he's doing to a country that I admire very much, and how he is abusing his power and the office of the President - he acts like a spoilt 10 year old when he is the leader of the free world and the most powerful nation on earth. I dislike him because he hasn't criticised Putin, the leader of the country which has been trying to undermine democracy in the USA (and other places), as unanimously confirmed by all his Intelligence Community agencies, but criticises everyone else.

I think Corbyn is great - he's the main reason the Tories stayed in power; if Labour had a decent leader, they may have won the last election (so I am hoping he stays Leader); also, Corbyn is completely in the wrong not condeming Putin.

As for the statement "I see no criticisms of Corbyn by you", here you go...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35942417
Quote:

two conflicting problems -

a) the continuing melding of Anti-Zionist with Anti-Semitic (although some far-right parties are more than happy to feed the confusion)
b) Corbyn attending in a "personal" capacity - he is the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition, and of the Labour Party; any action he does reflects on them. He, like any other senior politician, cannot use this as a cop-out.
Here I am defending the BBC against the Corbynistas.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35941333
Quote:

FactCheck verdict

These things are true:
Newsnight placed a photo of Jeremy Corbyn next to a graphic of the Kremlin.

The Newsnight version was both darker and redder than the original image.

In the Newsnight version, Mr Corbyn’s hat was taller than in the original.

However:
The Kremlin graphic has been used before by Newsnight, notably alongside the Conservative Defence Secretary, Gavin Williamson.

Mr Corbyn’s hat only appeared taller because of a perspective distortion caused by Newsnight’s curved background screen.
Here's one where I mock Corbyn.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35940823
Quote:

This is on most of the ex-military FB pages today, with the comment
Quote:

Breaking news! The government expels the first of the Russian spies
Attachment of a picture of Corbyn
Here's one where I criticise Momentum, Corbyn's most rabid supporters.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35938564

Here's one where I praise him with faint damns...
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937988
Quote:

Corbyn was, at worst, a ‘fellow traveller’, and at best, a contact - there are lots of other reasons not to support him, but I don’t think these are amongst them
Here's one where I jokingly suggest he might be a sleeper agent.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937651
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The point of recruitment is to get sleeper agents in place, because in 30 years time, who knows what position of power they may be in, even the most unlikely of people...
Here's one where I state I am not a Corbyn fan.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937179
Quote:

When the messenger (The Sun) has a lot of previous form for inflammatory false stories and excessive exaggeration/twisting of facts, it’s the main reason the knee-jerk reaction is "here we go again".

(And I’m far from being a JC fan).
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35915483
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Perhaps they will follow Jeremy Corbyn's example, of voting against the Party Whip (he did 617 times...).

http://revolts.co.uk/?p=932
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35902614
Quote:

From yesterday's News Quiz.

Jeremy Corbyn proved wrong all those people who said he couldn't win an election, by not winning an election...

Mick 17-04-2018 20:34

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
He has criticised Putin, to say he hasn’t is an outright lie.

Hugh 17-04-2018 20:38

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35944046)
He has criticised Putin, to say he hasn’t is an outright lie.

Once outright, and another half-hearted one (as I have repeatedly posted).

I will amend my statement - he has hardly ever criticised Putin, the leader of the country which has been trying to undermine democracy in the USA (and other places), as unanimously confirmed by all his Intelligence Community agencies, but criticises everyone else.

Hope that's better.

RizzyKing 18-04-2018 08:47

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Compared to how often Trump hits out at other people Mick it's a valid point he seems to only hit out at Putin when he really has too rather then as much as Putin deserves given what is happening on his orders. I was happy when Trump won i honestly thought it would be the start of a rebalance badly needed in western politics and that he would grow into the position of president. While he hasn't been a total disaster as a president yet he hasn't been what many hoped he would be and the way he acts on social media is not presidential.

The media in the U.S is clearly running a campaign against Trump and has been since he was elected but that shouldn't exempt Trump from deserved criticism personally I'm hoping he will still surprise us and adapt better but as time goes on that hope is hard to maintain.

Hugh 18-04-2018 14:07

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943854)
http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...-sanctions-for

Haley said on Sunday Haley that sanctions against Moscow will "be coming down" on Monday; today Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "We are considering additional sanctions on Russia and a decision will be made in the near future".

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...t-get-confused

Quote:

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley hit back at the White House on Tuesday, denying a top adviser’s claim that she was confused when she said the administration would impose new sanctions on Russia.

“With all due respect, I don’t get confused,” Haley told Fox News’s Dana Perino in a statement that was read on-air.

Haley’s pointed statement came hours after top White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said that Haley “got ahead of the curve” when she announced Sunday that the administration would roll out the sanctions the next day.

“There might have been some momentary confusion about that,” Kudlow told reporters in West Palm Beach, Fla., ahead of President Trump’s meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Kudlow later walked back his comments, telling The New York Times he called Haley to say he had misspoken based on incomplete information.

“She was certainly not confused,” Kudlow told the paper. “I was wrong"...

...Kudlow told the Times that “she was following policy as she knew it. The policy got changed late, and she wasn’t told.”

RizzyKing 18-04-2018 14:24

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trump needs to get a grip on things this has done nothing but cause embarrassment and reflects poorly on the U.S and its credibility this sort of thing should not be happening and i think Haley is entitled to know who changed the policy.

ianch99 18-04-2018 15:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943969)
Why would Trump call himself ? :confused:

I think I got your point.

You go on about him not criticising Putin because of your very obvious hate for the man, and that's fine to hate him - I hate Crooked Hillary for the potential crimes she has committed and it appears she has appeared so far to get away with them. That said, I see no criticisms on Corbyn by you, who has not even once called out Putin by name and still refuses to do so. You say Trump has called out on Putin once, it's bloody more times than the leader of the opposition IN this Country has.

Quote:

I hate Crooked Hillary for the potential crimes she has committed
Hilary has committed potential crimes ... not quite sure how someone, even the Blessed Hilary, can commit future crime :)

Mick 18-04-2018 16:25

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Potential doesn’t necessarily equate to a future aspect.

Except if IG finds that her prior criminal investigation was flawed. She will hopefully be re-investigated.

Stephen 18-04-2018 17:57

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
What would be the point of re-investigating if it was already proved there was nothing crooked or criminal going on? Or any evidence that the investigation was flawed?

ianch99 18-04-2018 18:55

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35944143)
Potential doesn’t necessarily equate to a future aspect

Quote:

potential

adjective

Having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Works for me ..

pip08456 18-04-2018 19:59

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35944156)
Works for me ..

So a potential crime committed can potentially result in a future conviction.

Works for me.

ianch99 18-04-2018 21:14

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35944176)
So a potential crime committed can potentially result in a future conviction.

Works for me.

and for me if *actually* convicted in a court of law in the present :)

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35944146)
What would be the point of re-investigating if it was already proved there was nothing crooked or criminal going on? Or any evidence that the investigation was flawed?

Have you been sleeping? ;)

There is a massive big investigation in to "Inconsiderations", that took place during that investigation of Secretary Clinton and the investigator, investigating the investigators is the U.S Office of Inspector General, who started his investigation in January 2017.

BREAKING: 11 members of Congress have MADE criminal referrals to AG Jeff Sessions, FBI Director Chris Wray, and US Attorney John Huber to conduct a criminal investigation of the following individuals:

-James Comey (Former Director of the FBI)

-Hillary Clinton (Former Secretary of State)

-Loretta Lynch (Former U.S Attorney General)

-Andrew McCabe (Former Deputy Director FBI)

-Peter Strzok (FBI CounterIntelligence Agent)

-Lisa Page (FBI Counsel)


Criminal Referral Page 1

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524082924

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

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1 Attachment(s)
Criminal Referral Page 2

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524083057

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Criminal Referral Page 3

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524083166

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Criminal Referral Page 4

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524083314

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Criminal Referral Page 5

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524083388

Mick 18-04-2018 21:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Criminal Referral Page 6 and Last page.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1524083488

Damien 18-04-2018 21:57

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
What ever happened to the criminal referral for Christopher Steel?

It's a bizarre system that let's politicians refer people for investigation especially when they may be politically motivated. The whole point should be that these systems are separate. At the moment there seems to be a move from a minority of Republican congressmen to fire and shut down investigations into Trump, including the New York one, and start an investigation into Clinton and other Trump critics.

It's bordering on tin-pot dictator stuff when politicians dictate who gets investigated and whose doesn't. If there is evidence then hand it over to the proper authorities and let them do it. It's vital these things are separate.

Hugh 18-04-2018 21:59

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
11 Republican members of Congress - quelle surprise?

I wonder if they will have 33 hearings, like they did with Benghazi at a cost of $7.8 million over two and a half years with no criminal charges at the end?

Damien 18-04-2018 22:08

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I really think the best thing would be to let all the multitude of investigations complete without politicians weighing in all the time. It's mental.

Mick 18-04-2018 23:15

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35944210)
What ever happened to the criminal referral for Christopher Steel?

It's a bizarre system that let's politicians refer people for investigation especially when they may be politically motivated. The whole point should be that these systems are separate. At the moment there seems to be a move from a minority of Republican congressmen to fire and shut down investigations into Trump, including the New York one, and start an investigation into Clinton and other Trump critics.

It's bordering on tin-pot dictator stuff when politicians dictate who gets investigated and whose doesn't. If there is evidence then hand it over to the proper authorities and let them do it. It's vital these things are separate.

No it is not a bizarre system, Congressman are lawmakers, not law enforcers and they have the evidence. They have every right to make referrals when clear violations have been committed and it is not tin pot stuff at all, this stuff in the referral is real, those people have potentially committed violations of those Federal Statutes, you cannot just target Donald Trump with dodgy investigations that have so far led to nothing and no evidence, because you and Hugh don't like the guy.

You claim these Congressman are being political, well you and Hugh are doing the exact same thing, Trump must be investigated but never Hillary, she is not above the law and needs to be held to account and properly investigated, not investigated in a shoddy way like prior investigations clearly have been.

Alas, the only justification that I take with great pleasure is Hillary's monumental loss, especially where there is strong indicators of cheating and yet she cannot win an election, even after all the cheating....

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944211)
11 Republican members of Congress - quelle surprise?

I wonder if they will have 33 hearings, like they did with Benghazi at a cost of $7.8 million over two and a half years with no criminal charges at the end?

Might have something to do with them not being done properly, you keep spinning that same useless line Hugh, it's utter rubbish. Remove the Hillary tinted specs, people have clearly been biased in her favour in the justice department, turning blind eyes at very obvious criminal violations, what appears for a long time. Not any more. :rolleyes:

pip08456 18-04-2018 23:31

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Talking about Bengazi.

Defense, State Department Documents Reveal Obama Administration Knew that al Qaeda Terrorists Had Planned Benghazi Attack 10 Days in Advance.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ys-in-advance/

TheDaddy 19-04-2018 03:45

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944041)
I don't hate Trump, I hate what he's doing to a country that I admire very much, and how he is abusing his power and the office of the President - he acts like a spoilt 10 year old when he is the leader of the free world and the most powerful nation on earth. I dislike him because he hasn't criticised Putin, the leader of the country which has been trying to undermine democracy in the USA (and other places), as unanimously confirmed by all his Intelligence Community agencies, but criticises everyone else.

I think Corbyn is great - he's the main reason the Tories stayed in power; if Labour had a decent leader, they may have won the last election (so I am hoping he stays Leader); also, Corbyn is completely in the wrong not condeming Putin.

As for the statement "I see no criticisms of Corbyn by you", here you go...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35942417

Here I am defending the BBC against the Corbynistas.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35941333

Here's one where I mock Corbyn.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35940823

Here's one where I criticise Momentum, Corbyn's most rabid supporters.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35938564

Here's one where I praise him with faint damns...
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937988

Here's one where I jokingly suggest he might be a sleeper agent.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937651

Here's one where I state I am not a Corbyn fan.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35937179

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35915483

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...n#post35902614

Other than those though, when have you ever criticised him... :D

Damien 19-04-2018 07:01

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35944221)
You claim these Congressman are being political, well you and Hugh are doing the exact same thing, Trump must be investigated but never Hillary, she is not above the law and needs to be held to account and properly investigated, not investigated in a shoddy way like prior investigations clearly have been.

Me and Hugh don’t get to decide who gets investigated in another country. My point was that politicians shouldn’t be connected to who gets investigated. I have said many times now that there should be an investigation if there is evidence to start it off. The only person who said there should not be an investigation isnyou when calling for the Russian investigation to be shut down.

Just like saying Hugh doesn’t criticise Corbyn you’re accusing me of things I never said. I don’t see the point in me continuing this thread if you’re not going to be honest.

RizzyKing 19-04-2018 07:35

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
There are a lot of questions that should have been asked and answered and weren't regarding Benghazi and hillary clinton has some of those but given the cheating she was a part of during the last presidential election I don't understand how an investigation into Trump is ongoing but not one into her conduct. Both the department of justice and the F.B.I need a thorough examination and if need be restructuring to prevent the level of bias there has been in the past happening again.

Mick 19-04-2018 09:00

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35944244)
Me and Hugh don’t get to decide who gets investigated in another country. My point was that politicians shouldn’t be connected to who gets investigated. I have said many times now that there should be an investigation if there is evidence to start it off. The only person who said there should not be an investigation isnyou when calling for the Russian investigation to be shut down.

Just like saying Hugh doesn’t criticise Corbyn you’re accusing me of things I never said. I don’t see the point in me continuing this thread if you’re not going to be honest.

I have been as honest as can be. I do not recall accusing you of something you never said....

I have never said there should not be an investigation of Trump, I have said the investigation that has been ongoing for a long time has turned up nothing and now needs to be shut down, there is that difference. Robert Mueller clearly has nothing on Trump, he revealed two weeks ago Trump was not under any criminal investigation. He is now on a fishing expedition, going after Cohen, to squeeze him, to flip him.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35944249)
There are a lot of questions that should have been asked and answered and weren't regarding Benghazi and hillary clinton has some of those but given the cheating she was a part of during the last presidential election I don't understand how an investigation into Trump is ongoing but not one into her conduct. Both the department of justice and the F.B.I need a thorough examination and if need be restructuring to prevent the level of bias there has been in the past happening again.

Spot on. ;)

Mr K 19-04-2018 09:41

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Have you ever been to the US Mick ?

Mick 19-04-2018 10:17

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35944267)
Have you ever been to the US Mick ?

Yes.

Hugh 19-04-2018 17:39

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.22919fe89f05
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Lawyers for President Trump’s longtime attorney Michael Cohen have withdrawn defamation lawsuits against BuzzFeed and the political research firm Fusion GPS related to a dossier that included claims Cohen helped organize Russian interference into the 2016 presidential election.

The lawsuits, withdrawn late Wednesday, would have required Cohen to submit to an evidence discovery process, forcing him to produce documentation and sworn testimony about his activities before the closely contested election.

Among other things, the dossier alleged that Cohen had traveled to Prague and met with Russian operatives. Cohen has repeatedly denied the allegation, including in a text message Thursday morning.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the speculation that the current Cohen criminal investigation provides supporting evidence that he did, in fact, visit Prague?

RizzyKing 19-04-2018 18:16

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I think the last few years have shown that there are deep disturbing aspects to the U.S political system and it doesn't matter whose running for president those aspects come into play as a matter of course. The same could be said about many western political systems there is a completely hidden layer that has far too much influence on something it shouldn't. Democracy is a wonderful ideal but more and more i wonder if it truly exists anymore as so many forces work to alter the perception of voters and seem to dictate to our elected representatives what they will do.

1andrew1 19-04-2018 20:16

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35944324)
I think the last few years have shown that there are deep disturbing aspects to the U.S political system and it doesn't matter whose running for president those aspects come into play as a matter of course. The same could be said about many western political systems there is a completely hidden layer that has far too much influence on something it shouldn't. Democracy is a wonderful ideal but more and more i wonder if it truly exists anymore as so many forces work to alter the perception of voters and seem to dictate to our elected representatives what they will do.

Imperfect yes but superior to alternative systems like those in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China. The increasing interference in the US judiciary is of genuine concern, it sets a bad example to other countries.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944321)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.22919fe89f05 I wonder if this has anything to do with the speculation that the current Cohen criminal investigation provides supporting evidence that he did, in fact, visit Prague?

Sounds like Fusion's dossier is more accurate than Trump's friends and followers care to admit.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35944249)
There are a lot of questions that should have been asked and answered and weren't regarding Benghazi and hillary clinton has some of those but given the cheating she was a part of during the last presidential election I don't understand how an investigation into Trump is ongoing but not one into her conduct. Both the department of justice and the F.B.I need a thorough examination and if need be restructuring to prevent the level of bias there has been in the past happening again.

It's best that the judiciary is kept as independent as possible and is not allowed to turn into a branch of Fox News, as alluring as that prospect might be to Trump and his followers.

Mick 19-04-2018 21:00

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: Justice Dept. watchdog sends Former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe findings to federal prosecutors for possible charges

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/19/p...ral0155PMStory

pip08456 19-04-2018 21:04

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35944326)

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It's best that the judiciary is kept as independent as possible and is not allowed to turn into a branch of Fox News, as alluring as that prospect might be to Trump and his followers.

Rizzy hasn't mentioned the judiciary.

Mick 19-04-2018 21:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35944326)
Sounds like Fusion's dossier is more accurate than Trump's friends and followers care to admit.

It's not accurate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1
It's best that the judiciary is kept as independent as possible and is not allowed to turn into a branch of Fox News, as alluring as that prospect might be to Trump and his followers.

Well, if Hillary had have won, it would deffo have turned in to a CNN or WaPo or NYT branch for sure, it's half that already given the leaks they keep managing to obtain from "some" FBI/Obama holdovers and bent officials, illegally leaking stuff to the press.

1andrew1 19-04-2018 21:15

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35944336)
It's not accurate.

Either something's up in the litigation-obsessed USA when people are allowed to get away with an inaccurate document or the document's more accurate than Trump and pals care to acknowledge.

Mick 19-04-2018 22:02

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35944341)
Either something's up in the litigation-obsessed USA when people are allowed to get away with an inaccurate document or the document's more accurate than Trump and pals care to acknowledge.

This business of Michael Cohen being in Prague came up before Trump was inaugurated. President-Elect Trump did that infamous Press conference where he attacked CNN for being Fake news (Jan 11, 2017), but it is what he said before that, saying the Michael Cohen they were on about being in Prague, was a different Michael Cohen, for reference he's a clip of that press conference...



---------- Post added at 22:02 ---------- Previous post was at 21:43 ----------

Latest and developing Story: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has apparently told President Trump he is not a target in Mueller Probe...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntent=politics

https://www.axios.com/rod-rosenstein...91ec546c1.html

1andrew1 19-04-2018 22:29

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35944344)
This business of Michael Cohen being in Prague came up before Trump was inaugurated. President-Elect Trump did that infamous Press conference where he attacked CNN for being Fake news (Jan 11, 2017), but it is what he said before that, saying the Michael Cohen they were on about being in Prague, was a different Michael Cohen, for reference he's a clip of that press conference...

I've talked in quite general terms about the document being more accurate than Trump and pals would care to admit as they don't have a credible reason for ceasing their legal challenges. I don't know the ins and outs of every allegation in the document but presumably, it's about more than just a visit to Prague.

In terms of the investigation into Russian links, I've always been under the impression that it was Jared Kushner who was under the most suspicion.

Mick 20-04-2018 03:40

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: U.S Department of Justice have released the former FBI Director James Comey Memos of alleged conversations that he said he had with President Trump to Congress.

Classified Stuff is redacted.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3768...een&from_embed

Shortly after releasing the Memos Devin Nunes, Trey Gowdy and Bob Goodlatte from various congressional oversight committees release the following statement:

Quote:

Washington, D.C. – Today House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Ca.), House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) issued the following statement:

"We have long argued former Director Comey's self-styled memos should be in the public domain, subject to any classification redactions. These memos are significant for both what is in them and what is not.

Former Director Comey's memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated. The memos also made clear the ‘cloud’ President Trump wanted lifted was not the Russian interference in the 2016 election cloud, rather it was the salacious, unsubstantiated allegations related to personal conduct leveled in the dossier.

The memos also show former Director Comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. While former Director Comey went to great lengths to set dining room scenes, discuss height requirements, describe the multiple times he felt complimented, and myriad other extraneous facts, he never once mentioned the most relevant fact of all, which was whether he felt obstructed in his investigation.

The memos also make certain what has become increasingly clear of late: former Director Comey has at least two different standards in his interactions with others. He chose not to memorialize conversations with President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, Secretary Clinton, Andrew McCabe or others, but he immediately began to memorialize conversations with President Trump. It is significant former Director Comey made no effort to memorialize conversations with former Attorney General Lynch despite concerns apparently significant enough to warrant his unprecedented appropriation of the charging decision away from her and the Department of Justice in July of 2016.

These memos also lay bare the notion that former Director Comey is not motivated by animus. He was willing to work for someone he deemed morally unsuited for office, capable of lying, requiring of personal loyalty, worthy of impeachment, and sharing the traits of a mob boss. Former Director Comey was willing to overlook all of the aforementioned characteristics in order to keep his job. In his eyes, the real crime was his own firing.

The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe.

Finally, former Director Comey leaked at least one of these memos for the stated purpose of spurring the appointment of Special Counsel, yet he took no steps to spur the appointment of Special Counsel when he had significant concerns about the objectivity of the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

As we have consistently said, rather than making a criminal case for obstruction or interference with an ongoing investigation, these memos would be Defense Exhibit A should such a charge be made."

Hugh 20-04-2018 18:06

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

So General Michael Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed while Shadey James Comey can Leak and Lie and make lots of money from a third rate book (that should never have been written). Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work? I don’t think so!
11:34 am · 20 Apr 2018
You fired him for lying to your Vice-President and the FBI...

Quote:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
6:14 PM - Dec 2, 2017
Does this make Comey the Real Jim Shadey?

Mick 20-04-2018 18:15

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Democrats are hilarious. News coming out from the U.S this afternoon that the Democratic Party have filed a lawsuit against Russia, Wikileaks and Trump Campaign because they say they all colluded to help Trump win the election.

This is good news because in the ‘Discovery’ process they will likely have to turn over the DNC servers they say were hacked, they were never examined by the FBI. It also shows they are showing signs of desperation. Bring it on you clowns.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944446)
You fired him for lying to your Vice-President and the FBI...



Does this make Comey the Real Jim Shadey?

It wasn’t the firing that ruined his life, it was the subsequent legal wranglings that followed and expensive legal bills. Btw.. These Comey Memos vindicate Trump.

Hugh 21-04-2018 19:24

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Perhaps he shouldn’t have lied to the Vice-President and the FBI, then he wouldn’t have had any legal bills.

btw, they don’t - they confirm everything Comey said previously, about Trump’s obsession with personal loyalty and the pressure put in him to drop the Flynn investigation. The so-called ‘vindication’ is that Comey never stated in the memos that he felt obstructed or threatened, or that he felt obstructed in his investigation.

The obstruction question turns on what happened after this, which is that Trump fired Comey. These memos confirm the level of acquiescence that Trump wanted but did not get from Comey before firing him, and go further than before in supplying Trump’s likely motive for the firing. In Trump’s own words “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

The memos confirm that Trump did try to exert a level of control over his FBI director, and over an ongoing investigation into his and his circles’ conduct, that is completely at odds with normal behaviours dictating that law enforcement should be free of presidential interference.

Mick 21-04-2018 21:43

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944544)

btw, they don’t - .

Yes they do.

There is no obstruction of justice, in the memos themselves, Trump asks for the Russia investigation to continue around his associates, that is not obstructing justice, Comey testified last year that he did not take the words Trump said as a direct order to let Flynn go, that's if Trump said that and as Devin Nunes points out, Comey never mentioned once he felt pressured or felt justice was being obstructed.

There is plenty of things Comey should have done, but didn't because he had poor judgement, he said McCabe was an honourable guy, we know this is bollocks, given the IG report just out that he lied, several times under Oath and lacked Candor, how the hell can that be traits of an honourable guy, what utter BS.

As fellow Law enforcement employees have suggested, the minute Comey felt pressured he should have resigned his post immediately, like Senators asked Comey, during his testimony last year, why didn't he approach White House Counsel, or Chief of Staff and say, it's not appropriate for me to be alone with the President?

He didn't, he also kept the information from the Trump that the fake Russian dossier was funded by his loser opponent and her campaign team and the DNC. He also would not reveal Trump himself was not under investigation and that this was the cloud Trump wanted clearing, Comey refused, so Trump Fired him and he had the Constitutional Authority to do so. It is NOT obstruction of justice, so I repeat the memos vindicate Trump.

Here is a recent interview with Comey on CNN with Jake Tapper, it's one of the better interviews out there to say this was CNN, Comey was asked if he hated Trump, Comey said he definitely doesn't hate him. Comey says in his view Trump is the legitimate President of the United States but does not rate his values and up to his firing, had not seen any evidence Russians had compromising material on Trump...


Mr K 25-04-2018 18:06

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43897212

Quote:

French President Emmanuel Macron has used his speech to the joint houses of the US Congress to denounce nationalism and isolationism.

Mr Macron said such policies were a threat to global prosperity.

US leader Donald Trump has been accused of stoking nationalism and promoting isolationism through his America First.

But Mr Macron said that the US had invented multilateralism and now needed to reinvent it to create a new 21st Century world order.

The French president was given a three-minute standing ovation as he took his place in the chamber for his speech.
Good to see at least the French president is confronting the Donald over his crazy isolationist, climate warming, world destroying policies. Unlike our sycophantic Government, who are too scared to say anything.

RizzyKing 25-04-2018 18:40

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I didn't realise you were so high up in government circles that you knew everything that is communicated between the UK and the U.S MrK, oh that's right your not.

OLD BOY 25-04-2018 18:58

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35944846)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43897212



Good to see at least the French president is confronting the Donald over his crazy isolationist, climate warming, world destroying policies. Unlike our sycophantic Government, who are too scared to say anything.

So much for Macron's 'special relationship' with The Donald. I think Britain remains unassailable in that department at present!
I'm really looking forward to Merkel's meeting with Trumpy. That should be a good scrap!

Hugh 25-04-2018 19:44

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a3823431.html
Quote:

US President Donald Trump will visit the UK in July, according to reports.

Sky News quoted sources as saying that he would carry out the trip in mid-July of this year.

The visit is expected to be officially announced in the coming days.

Mr K 25-04-2018 19:52

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35944861)

Golf??

1andrew1 25-04-2018 21:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35944852)
So much for Macron's 'special relationship' with The Donald. I think Britain remains unassailable in that department at present!
I'm really looking forward to Merkel's meeting with Trumpy. That should be a good scrap!

Unlike the UK, Macron took Trump seriously and it's paid off. We should have listened to Mick. :)
Quote:

Britain looked on like the cheated partner as Mr Trump described his French counterpart as his “special friend” and described the two countries as each other’s “oldest allies”.

This wasn’t in the Brexiteer script.

Trump’s America and Brexit Britain were supposed to be inseparable partners in touch with popular anger about remote global elites and partners in the crusade against globalisation.

That’s what Theresa May intended when she rushed to meet Mr Trump in his first week in office with the promise of a full state visit; that’s what Boris Johnson was thinking as he headed off to Trump Tower to cosy up to fellow Right-wing populist Steve Bannon.

Now it’s the Marseillaise being played on the White House lawn, and it’s the self-appointed French leader of the liberal internationalist world order who has the ear of the President.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3823201.html

pip08456 25-04-2018 23:33

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
1 Attachment(s)
Breaking: Michael Cohen will be asserting his 5th amendment rights in Stormy Daniels case.

OLD BOY 26-04-2018 08:24

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35944879)
Unlike the UK, Macron took Trump seriously and it's paid off. We should have listened to Mick. :)

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3823201.html

Until he slagged him off after the lovey dovey bit, you mean?

Hugh 26-04-2018 16:37

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35944887)
Breaking: Michael Cohen will be asserting his 5th amendment rights in Stormy Daniels case.

Trump, September 2016
Quote:

“The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Damien 26-04-2018 17:22

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trumpers is coming to the UK on the 13th July

---------- Post added at 17:12 ---------- Previous post was at 17:00 ----------

No word if it's a State visit or not. If it was it would cause a bit of hassle.

---------- Post added at 17:22 ---------- Previous post was at 17:12 ----------

Confirmed not a state visit.

1andrew1 30-04-2018 23:02

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Quote:

Donald Trump should win a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the standoff over North Korea’s nuclear weapons programme, South Korea’s president has suggested.

Moon Jae-in said he was “confident a new era of peace will unfold on the Korean peninsula” following a historic summit last week during which Seoul and Pyongyang pledged to end decades of hostilities and work towards “complete denuclearisation”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8329276.html

TheDaddy 01-05-2018 06:53

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35945337)

Probably deserves it if any lasting peace can be agreed, imo it should probably be shared between the three of them and will need more substance to it.

Mick 01-05-2018 11:37

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I got a better idea, let’s take the Nobel Peace prize off President Obama and give it to Trump, he was given one in 2009, less than a year in office, what the hell did he do to deserve that?

Even a former Nobel peace chief regrets Obama been given one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34277960

Hugh 01-05-2018 12:50

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945369)
I got a better idea, let’s take the Nobel Peace prize off President Obama and give it to Trump, he was given one in 2009, less than a year in office, what the hell did he do to deserve that?

Even a former Nobel peace chief regrets Obama been given one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34277960

No, he doesn't - nothing in the article supports the headline; the word regret is not used in the article, just in the headline as a paraphrase.

He actually states
Quote:

Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama in 2009 failed to achieve what the committee hoped it would
In fact, Lundestad states he never said it was a mistake.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...idea/72396794/
Quote:

"Several of you have written that I believe the prize to Obama a mistake, but then you cannot have read the book," Lundestad told reporters, according to VG. "It says nowhere that it was a mistake to give Obama the Peace Prize."

Mick 01-05-2018 13:49

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Nothing in in the headline supports the view...Stop taking the piss Hugh. You are wrong yet again.

In other words, he was saying, Obama did not live up to the expectations of him getting the award, therefore, giving it to him was a mistake, thanks for confirming what I already said. :rolleyes:

Hugh 01-05-2018 15:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945388)
Nothing in in the headline supports the view...Stop taking the piss Hugh. You are wrong yet again.

In other words, he was saying, Obama did not live up to the expectations of him getting the award, therefore, giving it to him was a mistake, thanks for confirming what I already said. :rolleyes:

Please show me in the linked article where Lundestad says he regrets Obama getting the Nobel prize - the article does not use the word "regret", only the headline.

---------- Post added at 15:05 ---------- Previous post was at 15:04 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945388)
Nothing in in the headline supports the view...Stop taking the piss Hugh. You are wrong yet again.

In other words, he was saying, Obama did not live up to the expectations of him getting the award, therefore, giving it to him was a mistake, thanks for confirming what I already said. :rolleyes:

You appear to have missed the quote
Quote:

Several of you have written that I believe the prize to Obama a mistake, but then you cannot have read the book," Lundestad told reporters, according to VG. "It says nowhere that it was a mistake to give Obama the Peace Prize."

Mr K 02-05-2018 08:44

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908
Quote:

Donald Trump's former doctor has said he did not write a 2015 letter declaring the then-Republican presidential candidate's "astonishingly excellent" health, US media report.

"[Trump] dictated that whole letter," Harold Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday.
Well who'd have 'thunk' a non-medical person could have dictated a letter describing a patient's condition as 'astonishingly excellent' and ' healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency' :D :D

Mick 02-05-2018 09:52

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The Doctor signed the letter and only now says it’s not his words. Another pathetic smear attempt. Plus....Reported on Fake News CNN. :zzz:

Meanwhile Trump achieving Peace in the Korean Peninsula. Fantastic achievement, but the liberal press want to discuss other things. Evil set of one sided pricks. They are really upset Crooked Hillary lost still.

TheDaddy 02-05-2018 09:53

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35945481)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908


Well who'd have 'thunk' a non-medical person could have dictated a letter describing a patient's condition as 'astonishingly excellent' and ' healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency' :D :D

He may well have form for that already

Quote:

“Based on the fact that I work for Donald Trump as his secretary — and therefore know him well — I think he treats women with great respect, contrary to what Julie Baumgold implied in her article … I do not believe any man in America gets more calls from women wanting to see him, meet him, or go out with him. The most beautiful women, the most successful women — all women love Donald Trump.” —Carolin Gallego, December 7, 1992
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ald-trump.html

Have they found her yet or can we assume that was Donald getting busy with the messy pen again

https://m.mysanantonio.com/business/...x-12878649.php

OLD BOY 02-05-2018 10:06

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945369)
I got a better idea, let’s take the Nobel Peace prize off President Obama and give it to Trump, he was given one in 2009, less than a year in office, what the hell did he do to deserve that?

Even a former Nobel peace chief regrets Obama been given one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34277960

It was very wrong for the Nobel Peace prize to begiven to Obama in the first place. The prize should be given only for achievement, not the expectation of achievement.

I hope they've learned their lesson. This fiasco has completely devalued the award.

Mick 02-05-2018 10:14

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35945495)
It was very wrong for the Nobel Peace prize to begiven to Obama in the first place. The prize should be given only for achievement, not the expectation of achievement.

I hope they've learned their lesson. This fiasco has completely devalued the award.

Exactly. If anything, Obama did the opposite, just look at Libya. The removal of Gaddafi, caused a massive vacuum in which ISIS was able to enter.


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