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Three months until Brexit talks start again and we're entering a quiet period anyway. It won't impact that, just makes the government look yet more shambolic.

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News correction, not resigned, he was sacked... At last the PM has grown a pair...

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Still saying resigned on Sky News, which news source, BBC ?

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Well yes and the current bun if you prefer !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/518421...tary-of-state/

'forced to resign' seems to be the politer description going round.

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The letter says May asked for his resignation which he gave. Up to you if you consider that fired or not. I would say it pretty much is, not like he had the option to stay.

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I have just seen the PMs letter to asking him to resign, so it's a sacking then.

I still don't think Corbyn is any where near to being PM yet and given Labour's conflicting stance on Brexit, I am not sure they would be able to soak up some of the old UKIP voters who voted for Labour in June's Election.

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I can't see Corbyn getting in either. But it's certainly not a strong and stable government. Fortunately, we have a Royal Wedding to distract us from the Government's ineptitude next year!

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l somehow doubt whether he will get in but the real worry for the Conservatives is if they replace him with someone who appeals to more of a broad church and then the Conservatives have a very big problem IMO.

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Wasn't it if he resigned? Seeing as he's been "sacked" DD can rest easy. :D

It's always necessary to carefully examine EXACTLY what a politician says, for the get-out clause, rather than infer a meaning or intent.

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I'll be shot down for this (like i care !), but the public might regret the day they chose David Cameron over Ed Miliband.

Now we've got even greater extremes of left and right, with sod all in the middle where most of the public are.

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No, actually Davis said he'd resign if Green was sacked.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...reenis-sacked/

No big surprise he hasn't, he lies about most things (eg. non-existent impact assessments)

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Not the first politician to lie who was sacked though and on that basis Boris , David Davis and a slippery Jeremy plus a few on the opposition bench and bingo there might be a few places available to so some of the great and the good on this forum to step into.;):D

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Yes that about sums it up Mr K.

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Would you do a trade or any other deal with David Davis based on his track record of trustworthiness? :td:

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If one gives a opinion one has to prepared to listen to a differing opinion even though they might vehemently disagree with it.

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Your wish etc.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/12/5.gif:sniper:



Thank you for clarifying. :tu:

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Ha ha nice try Mr K to say Ed Miliband, venomously Anti-Brexit, who would not have given the people a referendum on leaving the EU.

Ed Miliband is a catalyst as to why we are in this mess, he changed the rules for Labour leadership, which is the fundamental reason, Labour MPs when approximately, 170 of them signed up to a Motion of no confidence for Corbyn for the Labour leadership, they were unable to remove him from the new ballot for leadership.

As it stands, there is a heap of no hopefuls on the Shadow front bench. Emily Thornberry, too snobby and out of touch. John McDonnell, this would be a sorry excuse for chancellor of the exchequer, with past support for the ‘Bombs and the bullets’, during the IRA era. Diane Abbott, who is just a walking and talking joke.

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David Cameron is the reason we are in this mess. Calling a referendum with the sole reason of saving his own job (which failed). The country was already massively socially divided as a result of his Govt., now it's irreparably divided because of his selfish actions. (Dave's gone very quiet of late, quite rightly keeping a low profile).

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I think the extremes are being more successful and that includes Corbyn. Anyone who sounds like a middle-of-the-road technocrat doesn't break though as successfully as someone who is a radical departure from the norm.

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. . a radical departure from the norm

I think we're all aware that anyone outside of the current parameters of 'plain, boring, ineffectual' would never in a million years be considered as a leader.

. . . although it did once make very good comedy

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/12/6.jpg

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I would argue that Corbyn is outside the parameters of what we would have previously considered normal. The idea someone who was aligned with the Socialist Workers Party, wrote for magazines with soviet sympathies and associated with IRA members during 'the troubles' would lead one of the major parties - let alone almost win an election - would have been unthinkable 10 years ago.

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Watch as Labour implodes in on itself and rebrands to The Momentum Party. That’s where we’re headed.

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true . . . but is he a leader? :erm:

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No he is not but is Theresa May a leader either?.

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Rather more so than Corbyn, of that we can be sure.

Considering what has happened to Theresa May this year - knock after knock after knock - she just keeps going. Not many politicians would be able to survive that.

Despite all the chaos going on around her, she continues to move forward, step by step, softly, softly catchee monkey.

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One of mates has now gone... THE BOOT.

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Theresa has sacked a key ally due to a breach of the ministerial code. That is a sign of strength, not weakness.

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Jeremy Hunt is being tipped to become new Deputy PM, this will get him off the running of the NHS, which I have to say he has done a piss poor job at. Can't really mess up First Minister role, bit of a non-role, just a close ally for the PM to lean on.

Deputy PM job is not like the Vice Presidency in the U.S, the Deputy PM would not become Prime Minister in the event of the incapacitation of the sitting PM.

A Leadership contest would still take place.

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Yes remind us all how united and scandal free Labour is under Corbyn. :rofl: What's happened to Keith Vaz I wonder. Search and ye shall find... Vast numbers of Labour MP's hate Corbyn but are scared of Momentum loonies. They have the audacity to criticise May's handling of Brexit yet if you ask what their policy is you'll find it impossible to get the same answer from virtually any of their front bench which is why Corbyn avoids Brexit like the plague during PMQs. If it wasn't so pathetic it'd be laughable yet some people still suck up their nonsense because they see/hear what they want to rather than what's being said/done...

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I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.

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Jeremy Hunt a well liked bloke in the NHS role tipped to become Dep Prime Minister... I double despair. I was taken aback to see how many Tory supporters there are on this forum.

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Don't forget McDonnell and Abbott especially. My God if they were running the country people would realise what chaos is.

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Well if the Labour party won the next election it would be the democratic will of the people so you'd just have to suck it up and accept it.

Cheers

Dave

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The democratic will suggests, they won’t win. A lot of people won’t want a socialist country.

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Corbyn's main cronies aren't socialists, they're Marxists just as nasty beneath the surface as any others.

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What you mean like you remainers have? :rolleyes:

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If people don't feel like the current system is working for them, if they feel like they have little investment in it, then they don't have much to lose. That's something Remainers found out to our cost in the referendum. Preaching about economic stability is pointless when people are already feeling left behind, have few prospects and their local area is declining.

This is still true of many in the country but in addition to that you have young people who've been on the receiving end of the majority of the cuts. All in the name of paying back a debt they never ran up. Tuition fees tripled, house prices souring and a decade of stagnation with no end in sight. Their support systems have been pulled out from under them: EMA, councillors, job seekers allowance.

The burden of austerity has disproportionately been placed on the young. People under 30. And for all the pain it's caused there has been little progress until this year when the target was thrown out entirely. All that for nothing.

The Tories either need to address this or they'll find people are willing to take the risk with Corbyn but the alternatives offer more of the same. I don't support Corbyn, I don't think his policies add up, practical or actually exist in many places but the last election showed us that a lot of people clearly are willing to give them a go anyway. The Tories need better answer than poxy railcards.

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Don't know why you think I voted to remain?

Cheers

Dave

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I'm no fan of Corbyn but does he currently praise terrorists? I doubt it.

Plenty of people who voted for Brexit and Corbyn as they felt their communities were left behind and the EU and capitalism contributed to the situation. I don't agree with their conclusions but I can sympathise with why they made those decisions.

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Indeed they do not but nor do they want a country of unfettered Capitalism either..

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Therd is absolutely no comparison, richard. Jeremy Hunt is not a threat to the security of this country, and he's done nothing wrong with the NHS.

At least he doesn't expect patients to drink out of vases. Labour did.

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The word 'currently' is interesting.

While I appreciate some may feel they are being left behind, voting for a pzrty that would bring the country to economic collapse really doesn't cut it.

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No, emigrate, actually. And after a year or two of Corbyn, you would finally understand why.

Incidentally, he is Communist, not Socialist. Big difference.

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We don't have unfettered Capitalism in this country, actually, Den. We have a mixed economy.

Until Corbyn came along, we have had a consensus on that.

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What planet are you on ? as he and others has done plenty wrong with the NHS unless one has rose tinted glasses on.

Now where shall l start..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38887694

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...d-deficit-2020

http://www.health.org.uk/news/system...ng-nhs-deficit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-41304164

https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-crisi...hreat-10552564

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OB would be a good comedy stand up act Den ;)

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Oh, I don’t know, you’ve fulfilled that role well sometimes. ;)

:xmas:

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Well I can't think why. Oh, maybe because I never see much positive about Brexit from you but if I'm wrong then feel free to amend my comment to:

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He's a good turn but he's on too long ;)

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Yes, Merry Christmas Mick, goodwill to all men and all that cobblers ! Sometimes humour is lacking on here, but at least we've got Donald ;)

:xmas:

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Interesting, Den, that you think the ageing population, incresing immigration and Labour's economic legacy are all Jeremy Hunt's fault!

I certainly know what planet I'm on. Not sure about you, though!

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Yet another adviser resigns. To be fair, I'm surprised he's stayed on board for so long given he's a Labour Lord and the Government's propensity to keep kicking Heathrow into the long grass.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42514117

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Well if it's not Hunt it must be Thatcher... :D

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l never said they were Jeremy Hunts fault but you know that anyway OB but nevertheless he is a lying slippery toad as has been proved with his stewardship of the NHS but of course with your political blinkers being on permanently l am pretty sure you will deny that until you are blue in the face given your previous track record.

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Blue being the appropriate colour...

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Your post #939 and its links certainly implied that. If you did not mean to blame Jeremy Hunt, what exactly was the purpose of the post? :confused:

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Oh, so Brexit was a 'populist and nationalist spasm', was it? Another supporter of the EU attempting to rubbish the decision of the electorate.

Good riddance, I say. Let's get people on board who are going to proceed with an optimistic approach to our future outside of the dictatorial EU.

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You know exactly why l replied as you seem to have excused Jeremy Hunt from any of the almighty mess the NHS is currently in and that he's done nothing wrong with the NHS on his watch which frankly to put it bluntly is utterly laughable but then if you don't look at things from a objective non-partisan angle rather then through the colours of ones politics then you are never going to see that sadly.

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To be fair Blair's Labour government are much to blame as Cameron/Osborne and this present government for the present state of the NHS. Hunt just hasn't made matters any better.

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l am not excusing them either as they did a considerable bit of damage to the NHS as well.

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I'd go back even farther, I can't really say when the rot started, but I'm sure I recall issues with bed shortages and ward closures back in the Thatcher years

. . in fact I'm going to blame all failures in public services on the strange fixation with statistics instead of common sense

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Hunt is entirely blame-free as he is a Conservative. Get with the programme, Den! ;)

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I see you are carrying on Ed Miliband's tactic to 'weaponise the NHS'! This is a truly pathetic argument.

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My point is, it's not 'Jeremy Hunt's mess'. He is not responsible for the elevated level of people using the NHS, for example.

The problems with the NHS are not altogether new and the current model is unsustainable. You do not acknowledge the way in which the NHS has been made less bureaucratic (with the abolition of the expensive Primary Care Trusts), the investment put in to train up new doctors (that will take a full decade from when this increase was implemented to come through), the changes that are being implemented to increase the hours of opening of doctor's surgeries, and so on.

Unfortunately, the NHS is so unwieldy that it takes forever to turn the ship around, but turn it will. And let's not forget that when the Coalition Government came to power, Labour said it would be reckless to put more money into the NHS.

So it might be worth a thought to consider what the state of the NHS would be now had Labour got in.

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In a democracy it's only right to hold the Government and its ministers to account for the performance of the NHS. It should not be off limits.

He is responsible for supply and if demand increases it's up to him to deliver short-term and long-term solutions to meet this demand.

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That's true, but the Government is not responsible for the mess that is the NHS. It is trying to do something about it, which is morebthan Labour did when in power.

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Rubbish as have you not heard of pre-planning OB but sadly Mr Hunt could not organise a piss up in a brewery as he is more adept at disappearing then he is at running the NHS.

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That's easy for you to say. Why did you not draw attention to Labour's deficiencies when it was in power?

As I said before, these are long term problems that will take time to resolve. Blaming the Conservatives for the state of the NHS is rather juvenile, being the convenient sound bite that it is.

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He inherited a mess, remember, and he is having to deal with a worsening situation in a post recession situation. You don't expect much, do you? As I said, Labour would not have done anything positive with the NHS.

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Strange how earlier you said Mr Hunt was doing a mighty fine job and that everything in our NHS was pretty fine and dandy.

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Both parties have been pretty inept at running the NHS as sadly both put party politics and points scoring before anything else sadly.

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Good grief it would be a mighty fine day when some could think and look beyond their own narrow politics whatever colour that is to see things through unbiased non-partisan eyes and then they might actually learn something...

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why not give that a try then ;)

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OMG, Den, you haven't taken account of anything I have said!

Jeremy Hunt is trying hard to turn the NHS around when Labour was saying we should not pump any more into it!!!

I can't believe you can't see that!

I have never said everything in the NHS was 'fine and dandy'! Are you hallucinating? (Sorry, I had to ask!).

I said it would take a while to turn it around with a limited budget.

Please let's get real, Den. What would you propose to turn this around? It's all very well to criticise from the sidelines.

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Yes, give that a go, Den!

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Pah! I see no evidence that Hunt is turning anything around.Quite the reverse. 24/7 NHS isn't possible without the staff to deliver it. The best way is to make sure that A&Es can function 24/7 and forget the idea that all NHS services can be available 24/7.Besides which who needs podiatry care at the weekend as a matter of urgency?

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Whether Labour is control or not, I assume you are saying, Maggy.

I do understand the frustration, but I don't understand the view of the 'faithful' that Labour could solve this.

Remember, they would not have put any more money into the NHS. The Conservatives have.

Why is nobody acknowledging this?

Must be blind, socialist, faith.

At least the Conservatives are moving forward, not backwards!

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But, but, but, Jeremy Corbyn is the second messiah, will release all that money that the nasty baby eating Tories have been hiding away, and will turn the country into the land of milk and honey where everybody has a house, will never want for anything, and the NHS will provide every treatment known to man for no money. :D

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Or maybe he'll just work to make the country a bit of a fairer place to live, one where a millionaires cleaner doesn't pay more tax than they do or where multinationals making millions pay less in tax than I do, that would get my vote what wouldn't get my vote is someone spouting meaningless platitudes like strong and stable leadership, especially when they aren't even capable of delivering on that

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On one post, you're accusing Labour of future reckless spending, on another, you say they would spend less than the Conservatives. It's hard to discuss this when your opinions on Labour spending are still being formulated.

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It was Labour who said it would be 'reckless' to spend more money on the NHS.

That doesn't detract from the fact that they would waste money on all the wrong things and bankrupt the economy if they returned to power.

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Because the only person who hasn't made the effort to check if the statement is correct is you! Took me a few seconds to find this article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39916367

I'm not saying that Labour should spend this amount on the NHS nor am I arguing whether the party's sums add up. I'm just pointing out that they have said they will spend more on it if elected.

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and some folks actually believe it... :rofl:

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Really what's the difference between their unconditional approval of Corbyn and the inability for some on here to accept criticism of the current government? It's the same tribalism just a different tribe.

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Spot on Damien. Both parties are significantly flawed and alternatives like Ukip and the LibDems are in the long grass.

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Indeed some find it absolutely incapable of criticizing anything of their own political persuasion on here as it seems all the other political parties have got everything wrong and their party has got everything right and if ever there was a delusion then that is it as in my book both parties have made a almighty balls up these past few years but sadly neither them and their partisan supporters will ever admit to it.

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I'm quite happy to criticise the current administration and I think Hammond would be a liability running a cake stand in a church bazaar let alone the treasury. That some think that Corbyn's rabble could do a better job just defies belief.

But I'm sure those supporters will be quite able to pay their mortgages with a 10% bank rate rather than the current 0.5% :erm:

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That's the latest election you have linked to. I was referring to 2010, when Labour appeared not to have a clue as to how to deal with the state of the economy.

I accept that they are saying differently now, but the economy is in rather better shape now than it was in 2010. Had Labour succeeded in getting a further crack at governing the country then, the economy would be in a parlous state, people would be poorer and the NHS would be teetering on the brink of collapse. Another IMF bailout would have been highly likely, with much worse austerity than the coalition or the present government have imposed.

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What he said. :tu:

But let's continue to pretend that you said the Tories are perfect and have never done anything wrong or made any mistakes because that gets us out of a hole having to deny Corbyn's cronies are anything other than nasty, inept Marxists who'd ruin the UK just like they did in the 1970s.

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Some of us knew what you meant. ;) :tu:

Ask them about Labour's U turns and they shut up...

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Unsurprisingly, they've forgotten that as quickly as they forgot his cynical duplicitous pledge to pay off student debts and all the other pre-election lies not to mention their utter lack of a credible policy on the EU. Mind you we can conflate all that with saying the Tories are perfect can't we...

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But denphone, or Maggy, did not say Labour would do better. In fact they also criticised Labour. It was a criticism of the Tories management of the NHS which showed no positive remarks about Labour.

But as usual it cannot be accepted. Whenever criticism of the Governments comes up it will quickly move it onto Labour even if the poster hasn't supported them. I haven't voted Labour in 10+ years but there is no point criticising the government on here because all it gets is sarcastic comments about Corbyn - who I didn't even want to win the leadership election.

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Theresa May considers move for Boris Johnson in cabinet reshuffle.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...inet-reshuffle

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Stuff him in a Cabinet and lock the door and through away the key.

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lol, but a cabinet wouldn't be large enough to fit his ego in. :)

On a more serious note, it looks like BoJo could do well out of a reshuffle though the article later states he would prefer to stay in his existing role.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...johnson-given/

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This makes George Osborne's Project Fear statements look mild. The fact is, we simply don't know how well the economy would have performed under a Labour Government.

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Remembering their disarray at the time of the 2010 election, I think we could all hazard a pretty good guess. Statements made at the time said it all.

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Yes it all makes project fear look mild... :D

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Agreed. A constructive Conservative supporter should surely welcome discussion of the Government's handling of the NHS so it can improve and stay in power. It's just point-scoring to carp on about Corbyn all the time when he's not the topic and particularly when people like denphone are not advocating him.

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The reason people keep carping on about Corbyn is that he keeps criticising from the sidelines when he knows full well he couldn't do any better. In fact, he could not do anywhere as well as this Government is doing.

He has gone along with Miliband's plan of 'weaponising' the NHS without having any plans of his own, apart from tipping a shedload of money into it, which of course will have consequences.

Considering the huge problems besetting the NHS, the Government is at least attempting to tackle it with limited resources and in a sustainable way. If anyone thinks these problems can be overturned in a day with a soundbite, they are seriously mistaken. This is going to take a lot of time.

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I think this sums up the NHS (and many other large scale issues, such as immigration, disability benefits, climate change, budget deficit/debt, etc.).

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1514882969

We want a quick, simple answer to very complex problems, but get annoyed/dissatisfied when this isn’t delivered, and change those delivering any changes for those who promise a ‘magic bean’ fix, thus prolonging the problem.

Please note I am not specifying any particular political party - they are all guilty to one extent or the other, but we, as an electorate, are also to blame, because we drive these behaviours (supported by the 24x7 news cycle, which lives to shock/inflame viewers, because this gives higher viewing/click figures).

If we want a better government/country, we need to be better citizens - learn more, make informed decisions, try to understand things are complex/difficult, don’t demand ‘magic bean’/instant solutions, and think what is best for our country/the world/others, not just for ‘us’.

<polemic over>

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A good coherent reasoned post Hugh :tu: but sadly l think you will be hitting a brick wall with that reasoned rational thinking.

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The pair of you could get a room somewhere [preferably somewhere really high up ] and discus every one else's failings .

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l myself have many failings and l am not afraid to admit it.:)

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The public still don't want to deal with the issue that they'll have to pay more for heath care. This Govt. has now been around 8 years and they've been happy to let the NHS decay until the public accept a magic private insurance solution (more money for their city buddies). Except it isn't a solution, if there are no staff left and the poorest can't afford it.

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I personally cannot fault the NHS at the moment, i have monthly injections in my left eye for Age related macular degeneration. My appointments are on time and the nurses and specialist's are fantastic. :tu:

I have private health care but i only use it when the NHS cannot provide what i need. That has only been twice in the last 5 years and was for operations that needed to be done quickly.

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:clap:

Spot on Mr K, we're rapidly approaching the stage where the only chance of decent health care is to remortgage the house . . . if you've got one.

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You appear to have misread/misinterpreted my post - I said ‘we need to be better citizens’; I was including myself in those responsible for our situation.

That’s part of the problem - we find it easier to blame someone/something and be negative and denigratory, rather than being positive and try to find solutions, whilst understanding that we may not personally benefit from those solutions.

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Very sadly things look as bleak as they can get for the NHS. I get that things take time but the Conservatives have been in charge for nearly a decade and recently gave the Civil Service an extra £3bn to pay for some Brexit bureaucrats. This money should have been spent on the NHS.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a8138646.html

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and it's so nice to see Mayor Khan keeping all those promises he made and proving how much more trustworthy he is than his nasty Tory predecessor...

https://order-order.com/2018/01/02/s...freeze-pledge/

How's he doing with all those affordable homes he promised I wonder?... :rolleyes:

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This is because of the weird way the prices are set. For some reason TFL Travelcards fall under the structure of National Rail whereas single fares and buses fall under TFL. The later have indeed been frozen but the former have gone up in line with the rises across the board from National Rail. The other weird consequence of this is that now TFL season tickets are even worse value, most people will be better off going as Pay as You Go.

Of course he shouldn't have promised it. It's simply not true that people won't pay more. Although Guido misquotes him slightly, the manifesto does specify it applies to TFL because obviously he has no control over the (actual) National Rail trains at all. Still even the full quote makes it seem season tickets would be included and they're not.

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It was a crass pledge as he can't control fare rises that are governed by National Railways.
Thanks to Brexit-induced inflation, fare rises this year are at their highest for many years and not going down too well with hard working commuters. https://news.sky.com/video/passenger...omach-11192982

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and Mayor Khan didn't know any of that... ;)

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Well I suspect, as you do, that he did and shouldn't have promised it.

I don't actually know why the travel cards and season tickets are regulated differently. It's very weird. I think it's at least in part because these tickets allow you to travel on National Rail trains in the relevant zones. Frankly I wish Kahn would extend the effort to bring these services into the TFL system.

Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 

Chris Grayling is totally against TfL having more control of services due to it potentially being Labour-controlled as the leaked letter reproduced in the article below states.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a3414216.html