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We all have our opinions Mick, which are usually balanced out by others. I'm not the BBC, this is a forum. If anything the bias is to the right here, given the poll in this thread compared to national figures.

However your posts are always even handed can be seen from above :rolleyes:

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Interesting poll from the Evening Standard just come out, and the reasons given for Labours surge

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Opinion polls are there for those who want to believe them but the real poll is in 6 days time which no one can argue with even though there should have not been a bloody election in the first place IMO..

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Scottish voters: here's your essential guide for getting the Nat oot.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1496401715

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My posts are within the rules. Problem with some folk is the see my name in red and think, admin, he/she not entitled to his opinion. Wrong.

As for the poll, I think you're being quite obtuse here. This poll was started weeks ago. So less of the bias accusations.

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The Christian Institute have produced a briefing “AN ANALYSIS OF PARTY POLICIES ON ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE TO CHRISTIANS”

They are not there to support any party or candidate but do highlight where the parties (and leaders in some cases) stand on issues that Christians may think important.

Please take this in the spirit of the posting, I know there are those who would look at some factors mentioned as objectionable and some would take this as a guide on parties to avoid/support for opposing reasons to that intended. It is a document from a Christian organisation and does have a Biblical bias.

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The only thing that gets me is May has not outlined any policy where it will benefit anyone, all her policies will have a negative effect on people i.e No more free school meals, bring back fox hunting and tax on care at home, the triple lock system been tossed a side, winter fuel allowance (may not so much the last one because they haven't given a limit on how much you can earn before they remove allowance), she seems to be a little maggie trying to rule with an iron fist but I really hope she loses and for that reason my vote has change but not to Labour.

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It's pretty obvious that May, along with many people including myself to be honest, thought she would win so easily and with such a large majority that she wouldn't really have to campaign much and could design a manifesto to make government easier rather than to win votes. I didn't expect them to so brazenly take that for granted though, I think that perception is more damaging than the act itself. As I said before it's showing open contempt for the electorate.

That said she'll win and I think quite convincingly. I don't believe the polls have picked up a sudden surge of support for Labour, at best this is probably Labour stockpiling votes in places like London rather than in any marginals.

But I think she has chucked away a lot of goodwill and popularity in this campaign. Her leadership rankings have tanked:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...06/1.jpg:small

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With Corbyn's liebour offering a socialist utopia the gullible have taken it down hook, line and sinker. Even if it means paying triple the council tax*.

If they get in it's Venezuela all the way. You'll be queuing for toilet paper at the end of five years. We'll be in Oz.

*Carefully hidden away in their manifesto, a change to tax land rather than property.

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I am not in anyway trying to justify the policy of the social care issue and 'Dementia Tax' as people are calling it.

Having worked in the health care sector, it costs a bloody lot of money to put someone with Dementia in a care home that is setup directly for people with the disease. You are talking in some homes, £700, Per Week. These fees are not set by government, as a lot of care homes are run privately, they can still be capped at local level, i.e depending on CQC inspection reports, if it is seen that a home is not running a top notch service, social services may only agree to pay so much, basically some landlords, with no care experience, buy these homes and hire staff to manage them, all they care about is filling the voids.

Now in a ever increasing older people population, the amount of the older generation that needs care is increasing to unsustainable levels, the government says in the future there will be 2 Million more older people requiring care, £700 per week, per person with dementia is a lot of money for the state to cough up.

When my Grandma was ill with dementia, almost 22 years ago, my dad fought tooth and nail to get her in to a care home, she ended up in hospital and she had a series of bad mini strokes which then started killing off parts of her brain, so was later diagnosed with Multi-Infarct Dementia. She lost the capacity to care for herself, I was summoned one day to the A and E dept at my local hospital and, basically, my gran was just wandering in all the other cubicles, she then went in one of them started pulling down her underwear and started urinating on a chair, it was very upsetting to see and I could not deal with it and asked someone to please help her.

However, the next day, with her having absolutely no capacity to help herself, the hospital sent her home, which was only a Warden controlled complex !!! My father who worked full time, had to literally stop his life to care for her for a while, which my Grandma, had she been able to have the capacity to make an informed choice, would never have wanted that to happen, so she ended up in a Respite care home, but she did not live long after this and in a way, this was a blessing because she never recovered, she never got better and we had actually lost the person, we loved just 6 months prior to this, it all happened really fast to be honest. But what I am trying to say is, some kids care about what they can get after their parents pass away, it never really crosses my mind, I never think, that house my parents live in is mine or part of it is etc.

But some people are unable to stop their lives and they still have to work and make that horrible choice to place their parent in a care home, I saw the guilt in my dads face when he had to make that choice but he had to make that decision and some of my Grandma's assets had to pay for her care, the threshold was a lot lower then, like anything over £3,000 and people had to pay for their own care.

So I can see why they are doing it, but it's how they have gone about doing it.

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Found this interesting, top web hits on stories about UK election around the world:-

1. Ireland (only one that isn't a surprise)
2. Malta
3. Cyprus
4. New Zealand
5. Iceland
Lots of hits in Zimbabwe too !

Their own countries must be very boring or Google just make the figures up.

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Lots of Brits live in Iceland, Malta, Cyprus, and NZ.

Icelanders were probably just bored, as there's only 334k of them (half the population of Leeds).

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Corbyn's cheers are getting louder.
LOL it's getting to the stage where he gets cheered for just showing his face.

Cons man facing criminal charges at this side of the election too.

My observations on Theresa is she starts answering a question and says "LOOK!" and then just stops answering the question and starts rambling.
(just like Dave did)

she tries to make everything she says into a winning speech.

she rambles on to kill time.

she wobbles a lot.

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All I have seen tonight is Corbyn waffle on. Dodged questions and more importantly is weak on defence. Putin must be praying for JeIRAmy to get in. :rolleyes:

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I think it's clear that although you can attempt to balance an audience young liberals are louder than older conservatives. Or maybe the insurgents, the challengers, are louder? Nats were louder in the Independence referendum debates and Leavers were louder in Brexit debates.

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Double Russian hackers.

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May did ok, better than on previous TV outings but Corbyn did better: he looked more confident and relaxed than May.

I would never vote for Corbyn but I feel more people are now contemplating it. Enough to give Mother Teresa a shock on Thursday.

I had expected her to get ~100 seat majority but now she will struggle to reach 20+ I feel.

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Do you not feel that you also are always one sided?

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Nope. I have criticised where it is due. I was critical just last night about the Tory campaign, it's in this very thread.

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There did seem to a number of young people not quite fans of Corbyn. So this idea he has the younger votes may be exaggerated, in actual fact a young lady asked if abolishing Tuition fees is an answer when there is more pressing issues.

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I think that's just a function of the attempt to balance the audience. Corbyn is polling (yeah, I know) quite high with young people as Labour traditionally do. Those closer polls are based on a model where they actually turn out this time.

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That's the big question. If polling patterns by age continue, then Theresa May gets her big majority. If polling patterns alter with more voting from younger people, her majority will be somewhat slimmer.
Interesting times.

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Yes, challengers have more to gain than incumbents by definition.

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Another day, but more of the same poor shows from the big three parties.

Another U-Turn from Theresa Maybe. http://www.independent.co.uk/

Jeremy Corbyn gets his act together too late in the day.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7770286.html

And Tim Farron fails to clarify his views on whether homosexuality is a sin.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3555256.html

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The company that chooses audiences has admitted that they have been conned into using hard left supporters posing as conservatives.

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Not a surprise. How could you really be sure someone isn't lying to the pollster? You have a link?

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The Presidential debates in the US audiences are not allowed to clap or cheer. Except at beginning and end.

The UK debates here need to have some same control of their audiences. They can get annoying when people who shout etc or cheer.

But in all honesty, I don't think TVs debates are worthy.

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Nothing on Comres's Twitter feed nor any news websites I've visited. Is it because it's a Saturday or it's fake news?
https://twitter.com/ComRes

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Telegraph paywall

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I would be suspicious of that or at least wondering what exactly they're referring to because the audiences for these debates were selected by Comres:

I think the latter must be the normal Question Time audiences rather than the ones selected for the debate.

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Saw an interesting theory that said Brexit has helped Labour because it shifts the debate away from the deficit, it gives a credible avenue out of discussions about immigration and it's killed UKIP. This could have been a winnable election under another leader (of course May wouldn't have called one in such circumstances).

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Survation / MAil on Sunday Poll conducted this morning (ie after QT):
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UKIP 5 %
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Squeaky bum time perhaps?.

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yep sure is for the nasty party

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I'm beginning to think the polls are rigged by the Tories to motivate voters at this point.

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According to whatever political leanings someone has it seems the other party are the nasty party according to their view..;)

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The difference in the polls seem to be down to young voters. Some pollsters such as YouGov, and I am guessing Survation, think they will come out in higher numbers this time based on what they've been told from those young people and also voter registration numbers. Other pollsters think their turnout will be largely the same as it has been.

I think the latter is certainly the case and I also think there will be a swing to the government over the next week. I would put money on a 80+ seat majority for the Conservatives based on the fact that I can't understand this actually happening.

Vote share is one thing but what seats will actually change hands for this to happen?

We can see a path to how Corbyn would do it though and that is via a unprecedented surge of young people going to the polls. In some ways it would be an epic blowback from the decisions the Tories made to disproportionately burden them with austerity but then everytime we expect this surge of young people voting it never happens.

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One person told me today that when they were polled they said what they would prefer but come voting day they will vote for whats more sensible, it confirmed to me why I don't put much faith in the polls andvi think explains why they are often way off.

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Taken from the comments in the Telegraph:
Says it all, really :(

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I see after last night's attack on London, people have started a petition demanding the election be called off. Why let them ruin our democratic right to vote? That's giving in to their cowardly ways.

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I am not sure how this will impact the GE: on one hand, you could argue that the 20% cut in Police funding since 2010 was a mistake in these times of Islamic Terrorism together with the attacks that were not prevented and so the Tories could be impacted or you could argue that Corbyn et. al. are less trustworthy on matter of National Security and so Labour will be disproportionately hit.

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Indeed one should never give in to heinous evil.

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Just to balance the statement on 20% frontline police cuts, the anti-terrorism funding was increased by 30% - it's important to view things in the round, not just on one thing.

In actual fact, it was 13% reduction in police numbers - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40060677

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Agreed but it is the front line policing that contributes the essential low grade intelligence needed to detect and track the people who are behind this evil.

In Manchester, a respected police Inspector resigned a number of years ago citing this very reason and addressed his resignation speech at a certain Mrs May, Home Secretary at the time:

Tory police cuts forced me to quit: Manchester inspector reveals effect of austerity policies on officers

As for police numbers, here are the figures over the last few years:

https://fullfact.org/crime/police-of...s-have-fallen/

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/06/2.png

Other worrying reports from the biased left wing media:

From last year: Number of police marksmen down almost 20% despite 'Severe' terror threat

From 2015: Tory cuts to police budget of 20% will leave public unprotected against crime and terror warns retiring senior officer



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BTW, I said it was 20% cut in Police funding not headcount ..

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Perhaps the time has come for the majority of officers to have sidearms, certainly in urban areas.

I have just come back from the Canary Islands and all the officers you see over there have a sidearm, and no one even blinks at it, but if there were trouble, they could defend themselves, and anyone else.

All the offices injured or killed in London recently were unarmed, so unable to defend themselves or the public.

(Personally, I think our gun laws are far too restrictive anyway, if we ever had to defend ourselves against invaders we would have no chance, since most people would have no idea how to use weapons, nor any to use).

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Somehow l cannot see our woolly headed establishment ever allowing that to happen even though l think it should happen.

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Thank God! Before you use that argument look at the USA - their "good men with guns" have done little to protect their citizens from the "bad men with guns".

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I think guns risk escalating things where they don't need to be. I would increase the amount of armed police we have but I would want to keep the division between everyday police and armed police. The latter are specialist units and have the time and training that requires whereas in the US it's just one part of their job.

So increase, maybe dramatically, the number of armed police and have them deployed as a matter of routine in major areas/transport hubs/big events.

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Our gun laws are stupid and no sensible police officer wants to join the armed units and can we blame them given the level of scrutiny and automatic blame that's thrown their way everytime there is a shooting that's why their numbers are falling. In the UK these days we shout about more protection and being happy with having a more routinely armed police until the public moves on from the latest attack and goes back to slamming the police when they shoot anyone. We need an attitude change in a few areas and personally i would welcome a relaxation of our gun laws to enable citizens to own and be able to use firearms in defence of themselves and others and it can be done in a way that we keep legal firearms out the hands of cowards who have no problem getting hold of them if they really want too anyway.

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The reason the terrorists yesterday, and the one who attacked Westminster, used knifes is because it's hard to get guns in the UK. If you allow guns to be sold to civilians then terrorisrs, school shooters, thieves and gangs will be able to get them too. It clearly isn't easy to get them if you really want them because they are so rarely used in crimes.

Does anyone really think this country would be safer if there were more guns?

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"Former Senior police officer says Government are Lying"

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No surprise as politicians will lie through their teeth for their own ends..

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Its very easy for criminals to get them, and any organised terrorist group would have no difficulty at all. (The IRA never had any difficulties).

Overall, Yes.


As has been shown multiple times now, banning guns has little effect on terrorist activities, driving a lorry into a crowd can kill and injure as many people as a gun, in fact probably more since you will run out of bullets, you dont tend to run out of fuel so quickly. Should we ban cars and lorries ?

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em USA is less safe than here like

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The IRA operated largely before the Dunblane shooting when gun control became much stricter.

No we shouldn't ban cars and lorries because their primary usage is not to kill people. The benefits of these things outweigh their risks. Guns can be used to either kill animals or humans and maybe for sport (i.e clay shooting).

Also it's not either/or. Yesterday they could have run people down and then gotten out and and killed more effectively with guns than knifes. The gang stabbings in London would become gang shootings. Robbers would have guns.

Criminals would have a tool that makes killing easier and quicker. If we legalise these things they would have greater demand for it then the average citizen.

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The IRA, and criminals, and terrorists, did not (and do not) use legally obtained guns, so how strict (or less strict) it was has no relevance.
In fact, aside from the obvious examples of Hungerford & Dunblane, gun crime involving legal guns is so rare that the Police dont keep stats on it.

Illegal guns are, and have always been, the issue.

Of course, people always bring up the USA. :rolleyes:
I doubt anyone would suggest such lax laws as as they have, they are just one country not a typical example.
(indeed, not all US states have the same laws, they can vary quite a bit).

The laws in Northan Ireland are much more relaxed than the UK mainland, but its hardly the wild west some would have you believe would happen with less strict controls.

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Always the second anyone mentions firearms comes "America isn't safer" but given the USA is the number 1 terrorist target they are not having any of these types of attacks curious that especially as firearms are easy to get over so these cowards could do more damage. The answer isn't because of their police forces as many are so underfunded they can barely keep a presence in large areas of the large cities so why aren't they getting hit like we are here and the rest of europe.

Because it's cowards carrying out these attacks on western countries that have made their populations easy targets and secondly because they know damn well that if they tried these type of attacks they are attacking a civilian populace with the means to defend themselves and pulling a knife or a gun is going to end with them facing many more firearms. We have become so politically correct in the west that we have made ourselves an easy target with sections of our populations spewing guilt ridden rubbish and making everyone feel we should atone for past sins and it's a crock that's now coming back to bite us on the behind.

In the west we have for the last couple of decades allowed an army to walk into our countries with no obstacles and tolerated a faith that clearly has many problems and issues that it has little to no interest in resolving. We have been idiots and it is now time to stop.

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The US is either super-efficient at preventing terrorist attacks or it's not the number one target terrorist. I suspect the latter.

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I'd rather be armed if I could be. Even if everyone else can be as well if they choose to.

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:tu:

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erm, remember 9/11? The USA is the archetypal number one target :banghead:

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What do you propose then?

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An immediate halt to any immigration from muslim countries until such time as we can adequately vet applicants and a halt to family members coming here after one of their family gets citizenship. The ability to close down mosques that do not tackle radicals within them and for the police to act on hate speech by muslim clerics powers they already have but are reluctant to use. Personally I'd support citizen ownership of firearms with a good system in place to ensure that not just anybody can obtain one.

Biggest change is an end to the free pass that islam has had whereby we spend more time worrying about not offending islam and start highlighting the issues that are not compatible with the western world they choose to live in and demanding change no more asking nicely and then just skulk off when they do jack to change a thing.

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It's worth noting that the Manchester bomber had his mosque report him multiple times. I don't think taking an agonistic approach to the Muslim community is the answer as it only increases the sense of us vs them which is exactly what the terrorists want.

If we did have citizen ownership of firearms how would we stop them getting into the hands of terrorists?

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Damien it's easy to setup a system for gun ownership a mandatory training period with an accredited facility for a minimum of three months to cover all aspects of firearm use and handling, full registration of all firearms with both a case and round fired from each weapon on record, letter of charector from someone who has known the applicant for ten years minimum and is qualified to make such a document. Lets not forget cost which between the course, charector recommendation and actual firearm wouldn't make it a casual spur of the minute matter.

Also it really isn't hard to get hold of a firearm if you really want one there are numerous ways available on the dark net or local dealers.

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More than 15 years ago, I'm talking about 2017.

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America is no longer by any measure a soft or easy target and a part of that is an armed populace with the ability to defend itself and despite their religious fervour these are utter cowards we are talking about much better to hit the vastly unarmed and unprepared population of western europe. But you still haven't answered why there are no attacks like this happening in the USA if armed citizens are not a factor and you cannot with a straight face tell me we are a bigger target then the USA.

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These terrorists seem to favour attacking the countries they were born in. We need to stop them being radicalised in the first place and maybe the US has been better at this than Europe has.
The Labour Party, UKIP and Liberal Democrats are all keen to see a vital report on the funding of extremists published. Theresa Maybe and her rich establishment chums seem content for it never to see the light of day.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...watch-10560047

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So you think kids born and brought up in this country one day wake up and decide they are going to kill fellow citizens all on their own, it's easy to blame the internet and a part of me feels they are using these attacks to get the snoopers charter in by a back door. All i know is the people i talk too that are working in this area all feel that our biggest issue with radicalisation are mosques and that radicals are more then happy to exploit our traditional belief that places of worship are beyond the normal surveillance umbrella.

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Same hear, i would have no issue with being armed as i did for 15 years without turning in to a madman :)

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Said this in the Manchester thread and I've found my answer. Arm SIA licenced personnel if they pursue a firearms segment and regular training.

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The Government coming under pressure over cuts to police and to armed police specifically.

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More Police is not the answer. It did not stop 7/7, which happened under IRAbour's watch.

The Saudis link selling of arms etc, is tenuous. IS is self sufficient financially.

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The US is "further away" than Europe so we are the first point in Islamist attack. We are also physically attached to Islamic nations via Europe (OK we are an island but it's not far or hard to cross the channel).

I can see more "grass roots" attacks coming. No central planning (or very little) because using a vehicle to plough into pedestrians can just be done any time any where.
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I do not want to see armed police on the streets or even other places. What I fear is bringing even more "security" like compulsory ID cards, regularly armed police, vehicle checks.

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What is wrong with ID cards ?

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Nothing IMO as long they are used right and properly.

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A lot of that is already in place. It's wasn't easy getting my licence!

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Ditto.

Notts are slow as well, took 4+ months.

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We used to have 6-8 months backlog but Kent have got their backsides in gear and I got mine in about 2!

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I know the system for getting a firearm is a lot more robust then the majority believe. I have and didn't have in the past with an ID card a lot of nations have them in some form and it hasn't led to a huge increase in the violation of civil rights. What's clear is we cannot continue as we have we are far too open to attack and despite their best efforts the police and security services cannot safeguard us all constantly and prevent every attack . Better people then me need to look at this and decide what and how we have to change and the public especially that minority vocal bleeding heart brigade need to get behind it.

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I think TM's choice of a new slogan is unfortunate one:

From 2012: Police officers turn on Theresa May over cuts

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I think we are forgetting that we have an army of trained, armed soldiers who can be put on the street to support the police if needed.

If anything it is the public that needs to be trained how to avoid or deal with attacks in the street.

We have to accept that attacks can happen anywhere, anytime and we all need to be more vigilant.

Suicide bombers want to maximise deaths and thus they will target crowds so any large social gathering is a potential target.

Whenever we are out walking we need to be aware of our environment. People wearing earphones listening to music are unlikely to hear or be aware of a vehicle creeping up behind them at speed until it is too late.

Given the type of attacks so far we all need to ask ourselves what we would do if placed in the same situations as previous victims. We need to mentally rehearse our actions as if attacked we will have to be prepared to respond immediately.

While we are out enjoying ourselves we need to keep our eyes open; avoid drinking too much and wear appropriate footwear so that we can make a hasty escape as running in high heels is not easy.

Having pepper spray handy would also be useful in dealing with an armed attacker.

Police officers on patrol need to be apart as a sniper or bomber could easily take out officers if they walk too closely together.

We can enjoy ourselves but we just need to be more careful.

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Diane Abbott pulled out of R4's Women's Hour this morning, citing ill health. This being hours after yet another car crash interview on Sky News, in which she appeared vague when asked about a Terror report done by her own party.

http://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbo...-news-10905847

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Diane Abbot is a waste of space.

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Thankfully i cannot believe there is a majority that would vote for corbyn despite his little group running amok on social media for me it's still just a question of how large a majority Theresa May will get though for a politician of her experience the campaign has been very poor at a time when she should have romped home.

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After her last gaffe, you would think that the Labour party would have some kind of training programme to prepare shadow cabinet members on how to prepare for and conduct interviews.

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:D
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7776136.html

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Diane missed the Article 50 vote because of "migraine". Now she's cried off Women's Hour because she doesn't know a flying fig about her own Party policy. And we all know she can't do her sums.

What she needs is an afro; she was happier and more carefree when Jeremy was , ahem, visiting her :D.

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:sick:

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Cried off....? More like hidden away. Two days before Election Day.

She should be kept on Airwaves. She is the Tories best spokesperson. :rofl:

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Sorry Chris, 69 apologies to you :p:

Aw, she probably has another migraine and is lying in complete darkness. Why change the habit of a lifetime :D

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Absolutely, I guarantee you will not see or hear from Abbot over the next 48hrs

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Must admit I cringed when I saw her being interviewed by Dermot and got a feeling we wouldn't see or hear much more of her this side of Friday. Thought they might 'replace' her on Radio 4 this morning and Emily Thornberry didn't do too bad a job - but would have struggled to do worse!

Cheers

Dave

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We might not hear from her again, she's stepped down, Lynn Brown is replacing her

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No she hasn't, according to Corbyn Lyn Brown is taking over “for the period of her ill health”.

She'll be back.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7776491.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...th-corbyn-says

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Not sure she will be after the election is done and dusted.

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Maybe Corbyn has a ruthless side? Per the BBC:

He, belatedly perhaps, realises she is a liability for winning votes ..

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Either that or she stepped back of her own accord. Whatever you think of her, and I don't think she was suitable for the front bench, it's been a brutal few days for her.

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Abbott likes to talk the talk and has never been slow to cause offense but she's the first to complain when she's on the receiving end. Maybe it's a recurrence of that 'illness' she had when she couldn't manage to make that vote a few months back or maybe it's Corbyn looking after his best chum and former lover by not exposing her glaring shortcomings to further scrutiny just before the election.

Anyway meanwhile in Labour's weird world, it's comforting to know that the shadow health secretary doesn't even know the cost of a prescription. That most basic of NHS related questions was put to him by Victoria Derbyshire on the BBC and he didn't have a clue. Quelle surprise... :rolleyes:

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As a very undecided voter it does seem the BBC show a bias towards the Conservative party.

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That's unbelievable. Last year, during all those front bench resignations, Shadow cabinet was replaced by unknowns. All the talent went to the back benches. MPs like Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Hillary Benn.

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Biasedness MM is often in the eye of the beholder and the agenda that suits them in their own mind.

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Labour are treating the electorate as fools regarding Abbott. Saying she is sick. That is an out and out lie IMO.

She is being hidden on purpose. Diane Abbott just tweeted "Touched by all messages of support and will be rejoining fray soon."

If Corbyn wins he will have her in the Cabinet.

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No chance of that happening, the Cons will run away with it. (imho)

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If Abbott can't stand the heat in the kitchen she's chosen then she should quit but of course she won't do that. Can anyone seriously imagine how she'd cope with the demands of the REAL job?? The same applies to Corbyn. Can anyone seriously imagine him representing the UK on the world stage??!! If anyone thought Brexit would diminish the UK's world standing just how much would having a dinosaur, terrorist supporting, idiot as PM? That's exactly what Labour voters will be doing at a time of huge, global uncertainty - both financial and political. The mind boggles... :spin:

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According to my red top she was seen out on the street using her mobile 20 minutes after the interview would have started. Illness my arse.