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Seems so. They reckon the UK's arrogant for even daring to question it or mention what the UK might be owed.

One thing's for certain, once it's done and dusted, no longer will be paying ££££££££££££'s into the EU every year just for the privilege of having them dictate ever more aspects of our lives.

No matter what the likes of Tusk and Juncker like to pretend, there'll be a great many serious business leaders in Germany, France etc. who won't want to see a major expert market disappear and they'll be having their say in private. What the UK mustn't do it let the sad scaremongers amongst us dictate how they play their hand.

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This is opening salvo time and no credence should be too heavily given at this point it's bluster time, both sides have strengths and weaknesses and over the coming months it will be that which forms the basis but the UK's position is absolutely nowhere near as weak as some posters on here represent it as.

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Spot on!

Remoaners may beg to differ though.

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But their position is supine at it's most aggressive.

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'Not a DONE deal' EU's plan to hit UK with MASSIVE Brexit bill could be toppled, IDS says

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/786...n-Duncan-Smith

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Have we got that many left, we couldn't fulfill our obligations to the grand old duke of York with regard to marching up and down a hill after all

Can't we update that a bit, perhaps something from a film like "we'll make them an offer they can't refuse or we're as mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore"

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"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the women." Conan the Barbarian. :D

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Lol. It's going to be quite a dry time on the news front so we need more funny videos like this one, from whatever viewpoint. :D

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Ha ha! Kep 'em coming! :D

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we're the brexiters and we haven't had any dinner :mad:

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Not at all. Depressed perhaps, since if we'd have voted to reamin then the subsumation of the UK into the EU would have accelerated.
I'd have sold up and emigrated.

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Let's leave Dwayne Johnson out of this .. :)

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You couldn't resist now could you? After you had been playing so nicely with the other children :)

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I fear the tone as an opening gambit a tad aggressive, we should keep that in reserve if the negotiations go bad

We came here to kick ass and chew gum and we're all out of gum

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Exactly. The Europhiles would have made damned sure that the UK would never again have had the chance to leave their club.

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followed by giving away n Ireland the Falklands and Gibraltar sacking the Queen and moving the city trading to Germany.

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Well it'd be typically arrogant of us not to. We really shouldn't want our own identity or to cling on to the offensive vestiges of the past. We are an irrelevance and the best we can hope for is that the glorious EU will save us from ourselves just as it's saved the Greeks.

:rolleyes:

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Be careful what you wish for!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdG57lgHFaA

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that hits the nail on the head - it describes remainers to a tee :tu:

N.B there may be the odd exception

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What a load of complete and utter claptrap as our family voted to remain and thus remain did not win end of but we ain't angry at all as we say get on with Brexit and stop bleeding insulting those who did vote remain as many of them like our family have accepted it and are getting on with our lives unlike some of those on here it seems who voted for Brexit.

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not ?angry you sound angry ;)

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l never get angry me dear as others are far better then that on this forum.;)

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To be fair, it's not people like you who've 'moved on' and want to make the best of it who are the 'problem'. ;)

It's those who happily accepted we were having a referendum until it went the wrong way and who, ever since, have done nothing but moan about the outcome, patronise those who voted to leave and both challenge and undermine the process. They don't want to make the best of anything, they want to derail the process in any way they can.

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If anyone who is angry it is him!

<humour>
I don't know what he means, everyone else is happy in our new Brexit North Korea .. all hail the Great Leader!

Now, everyone, let's sing the Brexit Song:

I'm a Brexiteer and I'm ok,
I sleep all night and complain all day, I hate the European Union but I drive a BMW.

and repeat as nauseum ..

<humour/>

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yes :clap: i agree with your analysis of the situation ,then there are those who compare our democracy to tin pot dictatorships because democracy means sometimes you lose the vote and that is unacceptable to their warped world view .

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No sense of humour then?

Yes, while you are on the subject of democracy, let's talk about the 1975 Referendum where the UK voted to stay in the European Community.

Since that date, people with a "warped world view" and those "whose lost the vote" have been campaigning to overturn this democratic vote.

How terrible these people are, what moaners they are and how undemocratic they are ...

... no wait .. they are you

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You've hit the nail on the head, Den!
:clap::clap::clap:

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have you considered chamomile tea -its good at calming you down and may assist in bringing up that bile that's troubling you ,we put up with your way for over 40 years sit back and enjoy the next 40 and above all keep calm .

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Totally :clap:

What some angry people cannot differentiate between is the distinction in accepting the result of leaving and that of accepting that deal on how we leave is not a preordained Hard Brexit.

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I think this constant childish insulting should stop .. now.

- no more sniping comments aimed at people who voted Remain
- no more sniping comments aimed at people who voted Leave
- no more pejorative insults based on how someone voted
- agreement that both sides lied
- agreement that we have decided to Leave but not on how we Leave
- agreement that people have have valid alternate opinions
- and anything else i have missed :)

I'm in ..

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Sign up now!

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I'm in too.

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Forgot to ask: you're Belgian so how did you get a vote?

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if you agree to pay £50 bn up front i may consider it :)

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I guess you have sort of admitted that you did not accept the democratic vote and moreover, supported a campaign to overturn this democratic vote.

Something you have now determined is unacceptable .. do you not see the problem with this?

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So that is Smurf for no then? ;)

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I'd like to buy that man a drink :tu:

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no one voted for what the EU turned into .do you not see the problem with this:shrug:

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as would i .

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Some folks get a bit confused about a referendum on joining a small trading block and one about staying in what has long since morphed into a single state obsessed union of 28 disparate nations, nothing like the organisation we were asked if we wanted to join 40 over years ago. The FACT is that the usual suspects had no complaints about the process until their side lost and now they're just clutching at straws showing themselves to be the sort of people they've become used to deriding over the years. They like democracy when it yields what they want but aren't so keen when it bites them in the political bum. They have form too - remember those other referenda which yielded results they didn't like and needed to be overturned. That's the 'democracy' they prefer - the one in which they get their way.

After 40 years of experience at the hands of 'Europe' the UK voted to leave the EU - FACT! :)






Just love that. :rofl:

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Sorry, No.


Taking back control of: Borders, Laws, Taxes and the ability to make our own trade deals with non EU countries, defines how we leave, and equates to a hard Brexit.

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Yeah but we don't want to leave the EU... :cry: :cry: :cry:

:)

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:geez: You have made the same old point thousands of times as naseum. You need to move on as the rest of us have.

I guess you are not signing up to the new charter of openness and friendliness then ;)

Cheer up, it's sunny outside ..

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Got to disagree ;)

We could agree a deal where we allow the City to keep the passporting for a fix annual sum for example. We could agree a lot of things that are in the best interests of the country .. it's called negotiation and compromise.

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Ianch the 1975 vote was purely for a trading bloc and if the political union that we ended up with had been on the vote we wouldn't have voted for it back then, it's the number 1 thing i constantly heard from people who voted in 75 including a few who voted to join the EEC.

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I did!

I've spent my beer money buying that leave-voting Spanish hairdresser a couple of San Miguels. Gina Miller is a good cause too but a bit out of my price bracket! :D

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gina who

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I don't see how.


Link

No mention of a Union there.

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The fact-checkers disagree with your statement that it was just abouit trade.

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I thought that April fools day was yesterday, and yet:
Theresa May 'would go to war' to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar
The UK could have no flights to and from Europe after Brexit, Ryanair warns
:rolleyes::D

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Good grief the Telegraph is becoming as bad as the Daily Fail with its cataclysmic headlines.

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Isn't it just?! :disturbd:

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What gets me is the incessant media coverage of what amounts to a whole load of ifs, buts, whys and wherefores. Discussion after discussion of rumours and scare stories with virtually nothing to either back it up or balance it out. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard commentators banging on about the wholesale deportation of EU citizens after Brexit when anyone in their right mind knows it's never going to happen. Nice work if you can get it eh - broadcast a load of scaremongering and then search out and cite all those who've been sucked in to the fear you've created as examples of how scared people are... :rolleyes:

What amazes me is that there are some folks out there who still deny which side 'project fear' is emanating from. I'd wager 90% of Brexit coverage is fear based from those who wanted to remain.

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That is why l stopped buying newspapers 15 years ago RR as its best to form your own rational opinions about a good many issues and subjects..

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its not cos your tight fisted then ;)

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Not in my mentality papa but l have heard you like to put that cheapo paint on your boat..;)

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I reckon Andrew must be a Bilderberger; they've been planning this right from the get-go. It was no shock to our politicians who are Bilderberg attendees, that this was the goal


http://www.rense.com/general17/quote.htm (many sources quote this)

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Yes they did ,the basis of the out campaign was that Britain would merge with the rest of Europe becoming little more than a province

The 'in' campaign agreed with this assessment and used in the their campaign and then knowing this the public voted 67% to remain (knowing full well it would mean more intergration


The vote wasn't purely for a trading bloc at all that is completely wrong ,the referendum was won on the basis that staying in would mean more integration


http://blogs.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/archi...dum-on-europe/

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What you mean the world's global elite trying, by hook or by crook, to stitch things up to suit themselves and protect their privileged status in life? Totally preposterous! Our selfless leaders would never never do such a thing en masse would they. It's not as though there have been numerous examples of crooked politicians/leaders around the globe whose main duty in life has been getting richer as their people got poorer. No, there is no great plan to subjugate the masses - I reckon these people can't wait for a revolution to deprive them of all the trappings of success they've devoted so much time and effort to acquiring... :D

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If there was a global conspiracy to rig everything in order to achieve the New World Order then how did Brexit and Trump even come to pass? They've been concocting their plans for 50 years and they can't even rig a referendum or election and not only that but several powerful men worked against them such as Murdoch.

How does one even count as one of the powerful leaders stitching things up or not? Presumably Oxford educated, Bullingdon Club attending, Cameron does but Oxford educated, Bullingdon Club attending, Jonhson doesn't? Or did Johnson rebel against the NWO? Murdoch, one of the more powerful media tycoons in the world, also wasn't one of these elites? (Obviously though The Guardian was).

It's lunacy. It's 'elites' fighting other 'elites'. Same with America. Donald Trump sits atop one of the most exclusive buildings in New York literally surrounded by gold. He owns exclusive golf courses which cater to the elite, $200,000 a year memberships, and he isn't a member of the elite either.

Elite only seems to mean 'people whose political objectives I disagree with'.

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Help me out here, is this an insult or a complement?

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Pure luck. It's put a minor speedbump in their path.

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I quite like the Torygraph .. I mean the Telegraph. It seems to have a certain amount of decency and when required will be honest and report the facts as they are.

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And how do you distinguish between them? Or is it just people you disagree with 'libtards' as you call them.

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As I've stated before, there doesn't need to be a co-ordinated, timetabled plan to do this, just a common long term goal. It's really quite simple and logical for the rich and powerful to want to look after each other just as they try to do with tax law for example. We see it on a smaller scale throughout the world of business and politics so why not on a wider scale? Yes there will be hiccups and setbacks along the way but anyone who seriously thinks the global elite are going to just relinquish their wealth when their world is up for grabs, as it inevitably will, is IMHO naive. Anyway back to Brexit ;) When the UK descends into widespread social/economic disorder as a result of leaving the EU as some here predict, these powerful people will, using their wealth and influence, ensure they and their ilk were insulated/protected from it will they not? It's how things used to be in the dark distant (and not so distant) past and I don't think human nature has changed. Their politics aside, the global elite have a common interest - retaining the status they believe is their entitlement.

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Brexit and Trump, who share an unshakeable belief in the single Sovereign state, are a (temporary) stand against World government. Why do you think both are under so much irrational attack? The globalists dropped the ball on this one; they were caught unawares. Arrogance maybe?


Globalists out there don't need to worry; it will come in the future.

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Yeah I think there can be common goals which come about organically. It makes sense why people would want to support globalisation because the more markets you can sell too, the more money you make. Remember many Brexiters support it because they want to turn us into a Singapore, a hyper-open market, and others support it to do the opposite. So it's not as simple. Either way many of the global elite supported Brexit.

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What about globalists that supported Brexit like Johnson.

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Is Jonson a globalist? Does he support world government, and the eradication of the Sovereign Nation? I really don't know.

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Globalisation can refer to a broad spectrum of views. From advocating for free trade to people who want global insinuations managing more things. Johnson is a clear free trade advocate and isn't opposed to migration. By UK standards he is a supporter of globalisation.

Incidentally anti-globalisation used to be very much be a hard-left position. One of the weirder things about politics now is seeing this language coming from the right, traditionally the biggest advocates for liberal trade policies. People have switched positions almost, although the fringes of the left still are anti-globalisation.

That said I think it's because of a realignment where globalisation vs nationalists seems to the bigger divide.

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I don't understand your question
How do I distinguish between what? :confused:

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I completely agree. I can't see any way that they can be overcome. :(

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Nothing wrong with free trade between Sovereign institutions. Providing migration rules are subject to the Nations Parliament only, there is nothing wrong with that. Brexit advocated controlled migration, not zero migration.


As part of that control, industry needs to stat training more British people instead of relying on immigration.

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I know. It's doing my head in :D To be fair, I think that the right (myself included) still believe in liberal trade policies. We also believe in sovereign nations implementing them.
Strange days that we live in......

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I think much of the anti globalism is because rather then elevate those nations at the bottom higher the aim seems to be to lower the top countries down and it's costing many nations more then they are willing to pay. As to how brexit and trump happened simply it was arrogance an assumption that a majority would just take the usual path and follow the laid out script as we have for the last couple of decades. I do believe there is a far ranging group pulling strings behind the scenes but it isn't the bilderberg group although they are a good diversion because of how they operate.

People are fed up and frustrated feeling that their countries no longer work for them and represent them whilst being constantly told to embrace change and accept immigration on any scale as progress.

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Indeed, the last thing I needed on a pleasant Sunday was a lecture from a pensioner but I gave him a chance and if anyone was condescending it's him, had to stop watching it due to his overuse of that word and he was quite tetchy to, it's almost as if some youngster had asked him if he'd still be alive by the time we leave as he was pressing record.

Wonder if that's the reason corbyn is always under attack to? :angel:

Very and they've barely started yet to :Yikes:

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QFT

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Also interesting looking back at the 1975 referendum and those parties which favoured being in favour of a no vote:

• SNP
• Plaid Cymru
• Ulster Unionist Party
• National Front
• Communist Party of Great Britain

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I think the global superstate fears are fantasy. What is a real and present danger is the corporate globalism.

The power and reach of the global multinationals is now beyond the point where we can, as individual nations, control. Ironically it is institutions like the EU that have sufficient market mass that can hope to stand up against these entities.

Although, saying that, the EU has failed to grasp this nettle completely: the tax regime in Luxembourg being an example.

The naivety of embracing a global free trade policy in the hope that "market will deliver" is already self-evident and has been for a while now. We need, as a nation now we are out of the EU, to pass laws that enforce global companies to commit to the country they raise revenue from. This means clear and fair tax from revenues and more importantly, obligation to employ nationals from the country they operate in.

These changes would ensure that global multinationals whose agenda is just profit and have no allegiance or affinity to the country they operate in, cannot exploit countries with impunity.

If you just invite multinationals into your bed with offers of sweet tax deals and impose no regulation, you are dancing with the devil ..

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Not at all. They are the ultimate goal. I agree.

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£26 litre i don't call that cheapo :)

once the missile tubes have been polished and the guns oiled she's ready for brexit

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Agreed. And global multinationals are no doubt opposed to blocs like the EU as they alone have sufficient scale to challenge them; national governments being too small.

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Why would this benefit multinational companies? They benefit by playing states off one another for tax deals, lighter regulations and government grants. A global government would end this.

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A global government controlled by the multi nationals is the ultimate goal and agenda that way instead of playing nations off against each other they play the government off against the people. The idea of the EU being even a slight annoyance to that is laughable given top officials either come from multi nationals or retire from the political scene taking up nice jobs with them. People using their votes in national elections is the way to slow it as that's all that can be done at this point and if you doubt it slows anything just look at what's happened with the brexit and trump votes and tell me there isn't an orchaestrated movement behind things. Totally different scenarios with a 3,000 mile gap and the rhetoric against those who voted for brexit and trump is damn near word for word.

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The shares of all the multinationals have shot up since Trump was elected so that theory's out the door. He's a globalist but to appeal to the electorate he needs to present it as the US getting the best deal.
Brexit voters seem to get offended when any analysis is conducted on who voted for Brexit and who voted against Brexit. That isn't rhetoric against voters, it's analysis.

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i think we worked out who voted against brexit without the fancy analysis :)

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No 10 have just had to rule out sending a naval taskforce to Gibraltar. :spin:

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spain is close enough to bomb and there is always the nuclear option, we don't need a task force just a brush and shovel to clear up the mess :) if we attack after lunch they will all be sleeping .

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Much more preferable to have jaw jaw rather then your scenario of war war.:)

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no point talking about bombing them best to get on with it we don't want it messing up Easter.:)

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Some people are probably feeling that the so-called Project Fear (not the one about Turkey joining the EU, the other Project Fear) was quite mild by comparison!

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Mainly because we don't have a Navy any longer.... No way could we do anything like that again.

However Brits are more worried about Spanish holidays than the sovereignty of Gibraltar. There'd be an outcry it they were in jeopardy, not to mention the expats. 1.2 million of them in EU countries, be a tight squeeze if they all had to come back.

Unintended and unforeseen consequences - we'll be hearing about a lot of them in the next couple of years. 'Project Fear' will look like a nice dream. Still, carry on regardless ! :rolleyes:

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I think the more unhelpful Tories need to think twice about making stupid pronouncements from the sidelines making it more difficult for their own leader. Howard has no role in Government and yet feels free to go on TV and make stupid comments about war. Same with comments about yachts, passports and other trivia. May must feel surrounded by children liable to making messes she then has to clean up.

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he was smiling a lot when he came out with this statement .

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Two NATO members don't go to war one another, that's not a discussion.

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i wonder what would mrs thatcher would have done .

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its in missile range no need to worry ;)

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She would have got a better deal from Europe than Cameron and the UK would have remained in the EU.

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no we would have still left its what people voted for no deal was ever going to be good enough .

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Perish the thought! The other (way better) scenario is that she would have got us out sooner.

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lol, there we have it, the Brexit argument.

We can have sovereignty, for sure, not that we ever lost it. The fact we might be considerably worse off is an irrelevance.

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You even think she would have faffed around with a vote? She would have better things to get on with than that!

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Of course not; we could have said no to unlimited EU immigration any time we chose and told the ECJ to, 'Go take a running jump', whilst being members of the EU.


How misguided I have been!

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we call it democracy not faffing around .

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There's rules to every club, but having sovereignty means you can leave the club be it the WTO, NATO or the EU.

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I confer to your better judgment on what Smurfs call it. ;)

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i meant normal people refer to a vote as democratic not "faffing around" ,its clear remain consider democracy as something that got in the way .

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We should not join any club that robs us of complete control over taxes, laws and border control/immigration. Cooperation, is a different situation.

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I was talking about Lady Thatcher. I just can't see her holding a referendum on things.

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The fact that we can leave these organisations means we have sovereignty.

We can never have full control over these areas unless we leave every organisation. eg membership of the WTO will prevent us having full control of taxes.

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The fact that leaving the EU is so monstrously difficult demonstrates that our sovereignty has de facto been seriously impinged upon. One more substantial treaty and the right to leave the union may have become purely theoretical. Already the famous Gina Miller has complained that Art.50 was never designed to be actually used.

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Since he has no role in government maybe the media ought to report what he said (if they're going to bother at all) making that point quite clear and not exaggerating his influence and extrapolating it to govt. policy.

I must say Farron banging on about the damage being done to the UK by HMG being undermined in this manner is laughable - he's been doing nothing but undermining the Brexit process ever since he lost the argument,

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:tu:

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Sometimes Andrew i think you deliberately ignore what people mean to further your point i never said trump was anti globalist i said the voters were and showed that at the first chance they had trump benefitted from that. He was a very large protest vote attractor for people to show their utter frustration and fatigue of a political type that has no interest in people only their blinkered agenda. I will now leave this thread as nothing new of any substance has occured and the constant retreading of the same old rubbish is getting more then a bit boring and i can do without the rambling doom and gloom constantly peddled by a few members of this forum.