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Did you actually bother to view the video passingbat posted earlier? :rolleyes:

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Nothing says "Independent" like a Republican Chairman of the oversight committee briefing the Republican President that he may have been part of an incidental intelligence collection that was all done legally (incidental and legally being his words).

Shouldn't he wait until the investigation is complete before talking to the person who may have been involved in this?

As the top Democrat on the committee said Even more ironically http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39358363

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Nothing legal about spying on folk without any reason for doing so and without Warrant. The Russian links are weak. Isn't it so disappointing for liberals and Democrats, that no evidence, not one shred, that shows Trump has close ties to Putin and the FBI have been investigating this since July 2016 and still found nothing?

These are just pathetic Democrats throwing out crap because they still cannot believe their horrid choice for a presidential candidate lost.

As for the video...He said he had been approached with reports ranging from November 2016 to through Jan 2017. Chatter that contained normal talk during Transition. He also said they need to work out what laws, if any have been violated, so it is not quite true to conclude that absolutely no laws were broken during this incidental snooping.

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The FBI are investigating the Trump campaign not just Trump

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So did you actually watch the video I posted Hugh?


I do agree it does not seem the right way to go about things. But that video raises some grave concerns. Now they may turn out to be legitimate reasons for that surveillance; I am still reserving judgement. But the facts of this need to come to light. People who are serious about commenting on this, need to here what Nunes said. Likewise it is important to listen to Schiff's response.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JCq_wRtuxk&t=934s

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Yes, all the way through, which is why I know he said all intelligence collected was incidental and legal.

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That contradicts what the President's spokesman said, when he was asked about the campaign team being under investigation - he said being investigated was not the same as a crime having been committed....

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They've pulled for the vote for the American Healthcare Act (getting rid of Obamacare) as they don't have the votes at the moment. Moderate Republicans in more Democratic states are worried too many people will lose insurance but more hardline Republicans think the state is still doing too much.

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And now it's set for today: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house...dlines_bsq_hed

Trump has said there will be no more changes but the existing concessions look enough for the bill to pass. It's important for Trump that it passes as future tax cuts are 'paid for' by the medicare cuts in this bill and obviously losing the first major piece of legislation would be brutal.

He has said Obamacare stays if the bill fails. I wonder if that will be better for him in 2020 as he won't have to confront the flaws of this bill, and those who'll lose healthcare, but can still rail against Obamacare or if the failure of the bill will damage him

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39372607

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I don't think people should leak this kind of stuff as it's not been fully investigated but things are getting more politicised by the minute, thanks in part to Nunes's approach.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7645361.html

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He is a Democrat he would say that. :rolleyes:

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That's my point. Trump and Nunes have so politicised this enquiry that the Democrats are responding with their leaks too.
Do you agree with me that Nunes and Schiff, should - as a minimum - be cautioned for their leaks?

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They've withdrawn the bill to overturn Obamacare. Trump failed to seal the deal

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Trump's healthcare vote withdrawn after Republican leaders fail to gain enough support for Obamacare replacement

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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Financial Times - Trump’s errors sank his healthcare plan
1. Endorsing a bill whose contents he did not know.
2. Rushing the bill through Congress.
3. Thinking that threatening the Republican dissenters would be sufficient to win their votes.

It believes that it will be much harder now for Mr Trump to present himself as “the closer” having put his authority so visibly on the line.

https://www.ft.com/content/4448d236-...0-768954394623 or Google the headline

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Will not harm him in the eyes of his supporters whatsoever.

His bill has been blocked by " establishment " Republican politicians.

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Hillary not in jail, Mexico not paying for the wall, Obamacare not repealed - his supporters are quite a forgiving bunch. ;)

I think that the outcome is good and bad for him. Good in that he didn't have to implement measures that would be unpopular with the electorate. Bad in that it throws up his lack of attention to detail and his claim to be a great negotiator is substantially weakened.

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Trump blamed the Democrats, even though the Republicans had a majority.

SAD!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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Actually, he was blocked by those who wanted more cuts than he was proposing - the Conservative Fredoom Caucus; very Anti-establishment. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...-act.html?_r=0

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Looks like it's actually worse news for Trump than I thought.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

http://news.sky.com/story/president-...-face-10813061

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Trump statement here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lVLKgmYotY


I think Trump could be right; a new bill down the line with Democratic input could be a better bill. The Fredoom Caucus are (as I understand it but happy to be corrected) full blown free marketers, with, I suspect, little concern for the poor. The less well off need to be protected. Obama Care seems doomed, with premiums rising, and providers dropping out. The Democrats now have an invitation to get involved; lets hope their hate of Trump doesn't get in the way.

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So he's blaming the Democrats because the Republicans didn't support him....


OK, then.....

Re Tennessee insurance numbers, as quoted by Trump, you may find this informative.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/mone...2017/85309068/

So, the Republicans tried dozens of times to overturn the ACA, but now the Democrats should work with the Republicans....

Once again, OK then....

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It was the Freedom Caucus that scuppered the bill (Probably for the best). The Democrats have now been invited to give input. Do you guys hate Trump so much that you can't see the merit in that?

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Of course there's merit in that and it begs the question that if Trump cared so much why didn't he do it in the first place .He is so busy blaming the Democrats for his problems he forgets that they are the opposition party and this latest episode shows how political naive he is ,why would he expect the Democrats to support him ? At this time in his presidency he should have support ,he should be able to get bills through congress but he is failing miserably ,hopefully now he realises that bullying people into submission simply doesn't work in politics

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Iirc George W Bush went a 1000 days before his approval rating dropped below 50% the donald was well below that in the first, maybe second week, that's the level he's playing at if I am recalling it correctly that is

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Maybe but I can't see the Democrats supporting a deal that cut Obamacare for people and I can't see the Republicans accepting a deal that didn't.

It could well be this is the ideal situation for Trump since he promised that no one would lose healthcare whilst at the same time getting rid of Obamacare so it wasn't clear how he could do it - unless he just rebranded it. Democrats would support improving some of the flaws of Obamacare so long as no one lost it. That would probably mean more spending.....

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You are ,his approval ratings are dismal and getting worse .The polls show that his core support is eroding fast

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.51b129e0620c

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Exactly. And I genuinely believe that he wants to make sure everyone does have healthcare. And I agree, it is going to be extremely difficult for him to pull it off, given the free market stance of many members of the Republican party. The everyday people of America need to be behind him to get a healthcare bill that works for everyone, and cuts through political dogma. We, in the UK, should be so grateful for the NHS.

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If Trump wanted to ensure everyone had healthcare then why did his propose ending it for 24m people?
He's a global bilionaire who will now turn his attentions to cutting taxes for his fellow billionaires and multinational businesses.
What is clear from this episode is that Trump is not a leader. Despite majorities in both houses, Trump was unable to sell the deal to his party. In stark contrast to Obama.

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Steady on, you're getting ahead of yourself as usual. He has another 3-7 years to sort the mess that Obamacare is. It was not actually Trumps healthcare plan. This bill that failed was Ryancare....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#436ee7a1168f

Tax reforms include tax cuts for ALL. But don't let that stop your negative agenda from working too much overtime. :rolleyes:

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Approval ratings / Fake polls mean Jack all. Polls were wrong in 2015 General Election. Polls were so manifestly incorrect right up to Nov 8th US Election. And some news outlets had HC at 90% chance of her becoming President, thank the lord that nightmare did not become reality.

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I wonder if they will try again. It seems they would face the same problem again that half of them want to cut a lot of Obamacare but others don't want their constituents losing healthcare.

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The Healthcare system in US is and has been a joke for a long time. $680 for pills that cost $20 to make.

Basically they have a system which puts profit before welfare.

While we may complain here about the NHS, we really would not put up with that crap they have over there.

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I think you're finding a novel way to excuse Trump's worst day in power. Trump tried and failed to sell the healthcare plan to his party. Yet he cites selling and getting a good deal as his key strength. No one's pretending that Trump wrote the document itself, though as I pointed out, it appears Trump did not even read it, favouring the golf course over the library.

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Care to show evidence of him not reading it, or is this more of your negative agenda working overtime ? :rolleyes: :zzz:

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So what proof do you have that he did read it? What he promised during and after the election campaign was so far from what was offered in this newer attempt at providing healthcare that I did wonder why he approved it?

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Trump either didn't read it or didn't understand it. The bill aka Trumpcare or Ryancare would have broken one of Trump’s promises - to protect entitlements, including Medicaid. Trump was surprised to learn this from his opponents.

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Point out to me where I said he had. :rolleyes:

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The fact that you asked me for proof indicates that you believe he read it. Or why bother asking the question?

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The fact nothing. Rubbish. You said he appeared to not have read it. I'm asking YOU to show evidence he has not, don't turn this back on to me, as I have not said he has, at all!

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You've been supplied with the available evidence from both both Maggie and me. :confused:
I am not turning it back on you. Your colleague Maggie asked you to supply proof that he had read it in the face of the evidence that suggests he did not. When you queried this with her, I pointed out the obvious logic of why you should ask for evidence that he didn't read it if you too didn't believe he had read it.

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You got me scratching my head here..

Come on Mick this is not debating and you completely ignored the rest of my question.

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Come on Mick nothing. That quote of mine is not me saying he read it. Me asking for evidence is in no way making any kind of statement he read it.

I ignored it because I cannot answer a question that has nothing to do with me. You were asking why he approved it, you would have to ask him, not me.

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This is meant to be discussion forum, not an argument forum. We've given you evidence which appears to suggest that Trump did not read the bill, at your request. It's only fair that you reciprocate or tell us why you asked for it in the first place if you agreed with us.

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I have not argued. I have simple asked you to show what gives you the impression he has not read it, I don't want to see spoken opinons, this is not evidence. He may not have read it, quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss if he has or hasn't, it is still in no way me saying he read something when I ask for you to show me what gives you the impression he has not read it.

When Police ask to see evidence if you accuse someone of doing something to you, this is not them saying they don't agree with you, this is them asking you to back up your statement, this is what I am asking, it's not me saying show me evidence because I believe he read it, I don't know he read it and as I said above, I really couldn't give one iota if he did or did not, I just know it was not a actually his bill.

Have you? Where ? You really do have this issue of what you consider to be evidence when it is only an opinion, a spoken opinion is not evidence.

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This is an example of argument, not discussion:
"Care to show..." is a leading and inflammatory statement. Debates and discussions focus on the debate and the supporting evidence not on trying to rile the person you're discussing the matter with.

Adding a put-down to the poster "or is this more of your negative agenda working overtime?" is what people do in arguments, not discussions. It is irrelevant to the debate.

In terms of evidence, this is a discussion forum and not a police station. There are various types of evidence and some are relevant to a crime scene and others to political debates such as this one. We're not trying to get a burglary conviction, as that requires a higher burden of proof. I've provided what I know, as has Maggie. Trump did seem to be unaware that the bill contradicted his election promises until his opponents pointed this out to him.

The alternative was that Trump read the bill from end to end and was happy to forgot his election commitments to protect entitlements including Medicaid. Trump's opponents might think that but I don't.

What do you think is more likely?

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Kinda was , it was his bill of choice to replace Obamacare ,makes him responsible .Given the threat to 24 million people if i was an American i would hope he had done every thing possible to ensure it was going to be better than what it was meant to replace

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And at least read it...

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Good grief you think that is inflammatory? :erm:

What do you expect when you make silly comments that he 'Should have read the bill instead of spending time at his golf course' and then another that his 'tax reforms will only benefit billionaires', when he has stated his intentions for lowering tax is for all. I was making an assertion that you were just being negative and or having a negative agenda. I could say this is not debating for debating sake.

No you both haven't, you have provided opinions, opinions is not evidence, as I said in my last post.

That Obamacare is to continue on and get worse. Premiums will rise again this year and lots of Americans will be even more out of pocket, cannot really call it the Affordable Care Act, when it's not affordable, when premiums shoot up by $900 - $1,500 extra on top of what Americans are already paying per month for an average size family!

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It's not an opinion that Trump promised to protect entitlements, including Medicaid. And it's also not an opinion that Trumpcare/Ryancare would not have kept these promises.

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And if they are on lower incomes, they get refunds on those premiums.

Obamacare is so awful, 20 million more people have health cover than before it's creation...

And the AHCA was so good that 24 million people were forecast to lose cover under it.

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Spot on.
Some Trump fans have taken to comparing the NHS to Obamacare and finding the NHS better.
But the US was only given the choice between Obamacare and Trumpcare. Trumpcare was set to leave 24m people uninsured. That can't be an improvement, it just looks like an easy slash-and-burn-solution. And that's exactly what it was.

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I really don't know what your point is. The NHS funding model is better than any American health care system.


The Americans have a different philosophy re health care provision; as much free market privatisation as possible from the Republicans, and some government intervention from the Democrats.


We, in the UK believe in free at the point of delivery, funded by taxation. No matter what your financial status, you will get healthcare in the UK.


The American health Insurance model is an anathema to people in the UK, But it is their country and they have a right to choose how healthcare is funded.


I believe Trump does want to make sure everyone is covered and that bill wouldn't have done it. The encouraging thing is that Trump has invited Democrat input, to try to get a more consensus policy. Maybe Trump should have stood as an independent? :)

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Pity he didn't ask the first time around - I thought he was a deal-maker?

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Or maybe Trump has been told in no uncertain terms that is the only way he will pass a health care bill .Something as important as healthcare should have involved both sides from the get go and Trump being a 'different type' of politician,one that doesn't bow to convention should have done that ,instead he's shown he's worse than the politicians he promised to better .

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Trump left most of the detail to the Republicans in Congress. He doesn't appear to have been actively involved or that interested, in interviews he hasn't shown an in-depth knowledge of the bill. His comments have largely been rather superficial ('it's a great bill, you're gonna be so happy with this deal' etc).

Maybe if he said what he actually wanted. The broad promise of a bill being better than Obamacare, no one losing coverage and cheaper isn't a policy. If it were that easy it would have been done already. This bill would have hit his voters the hardest and lost a lot of people their healthcare.

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the gift that keep on giving

https://twitter.com/ThePoke/status/845559353117696000

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Trump only started to think about asking the Democrats when he had pulled the bill. I can't really see what's in it for them. They've got a proven, workable system in place and unless that changes then I can't see them needing to come to the table. Trump may have convinced some of his more diehard followers it is not working but not the public at large; only 17% agreed with his bill.
I think Trump's issue is that he is trying to run the Presidency like a businessman. This doesn't work and we've seen him stumble at Muslim Ban #1, Muslim Ban #2 and Trumpcare/Ryancare. Rather than taking the time to sort each thing out properly, he just moves on to the next thing. That might, though, be his approach given his term of four years.

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Lol! I imagine a few Trumpites are spluttering on their French toasts and Golden Grahams after seeing that! :D

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Have any of you guy's not made mistakes in new job; how great it must be to be to be that perfect.


Trump will learn. The end of the world hasn't happened because this bill didn't pass. In fact it was a good thing, as a better bill will hopefully materialise. But any bill based on private insurance health care, from any side of the house will never meet the coverage we expect in the UK.

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Not sure what people are going on about, when Obamacare went through so smoothly:rolleyes:, it had to be introduced by a back door method and involve the Supreme Court.

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But not really, he has not lied. He immediately attempted to get Obamacare repealed but that was down to congress. If he could change legislation as big as this is, on his own accord he would have done it.

Within 64 days the Republicans have tried to push this through and too many concessions were made to attempt to please the pathetic democrats, to get them on side, bit difficult when they are still crying over losing the election, pity, maybe they should have backed Sanders.

Granted Republicans own both chambers but too many Republicans backed off in the end and Trump did right thing to pull the vote.

This is just like here recently, where the chancellor announced increases to national insurance for the self employed. Tory rebellion was growing, not to mention they broke a promise in their 2015 Tory manifesto. So they did a U-Turn. It happens in politics.

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That's a bit like excusing a brain surgeon because it's his first day when the patient wakes a vegetable .Trump had all the time and all the expertise at his disposal he needed to make it work


Rubbish, that's a pathetic excuse .The Republicans control both houses they did not need one single vote from the Democrats to pass this .The reason it failed was because even a lot of Republicans saw what an awful piece of legislation it was .If Trump wasn't so big headed and gung ho he would have taken his time and formulated a piece of legislation that would actually work and his own party would have voted for

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What concessions did they make to appease the 'pathetic' democrats? Most of the concessions were made to the Freedom Caucus who wanted further cuts and each of those alienated moderate Republicans worried about blowback in their own states. Blaming the Democrats seems a weak excuse when, as you say, the Republicans have a majority. Not only that but a pretty comfortable majority, they could have afford 20 defections from the Republican side and still pass this bill.

What they're learning is that healthcare is complicated. Clinton tried and failed, Obama got Obamacare passed but it derailed the Democratic party and now Trump has failed too.

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The issue with Trump is that he is meant to be the "challenger", the "outsider". He now just looks like any other shabby politician who fails to keep his promises.

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So, you're one of the perfect ones then. Good to know ;)


Your analogy is crazy, BTW.

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No, it is some Republicans wanted a completely free market, and minimal government funding.

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This is true.

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I think if Trump had been more honest and said he promised reform but couldn't deliver it quickly due to so many conflicting interests I would have been more sympathetic. But to try and pretend that his previous statements were not made undermines him in my eyes.

If I made a mistake in a new job I would admit to it and not try and blame someone else. A Japanese Prime Minister would probably have resigned in shame. I acknowledge what I, as a British person would do, isn't necessary what an American would do.

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Everything undermines Trump in your eyes, so no surprise there Andrew ;)

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He's his own worst enemy, or maybe in some people's rose-tinted eyes, a flawed genius. ;)

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No, come on Andrew, Hari-Kari at least!

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You don't make mistakes like Trump has since he got elected and just brush it off because he's new at the job .In Trumps position he cannot afford too many mistakes like that and anyway according to him he hasn't made any mistakes or got anything wrong everything is the fault of the Democrats, fake news or Muslims

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That's funny cos Trump said it was the fault of the Democrats ,is that another one of his 'mistakes' because he's new to the job?

Everyone knows it was his own parties fault apart from Trump (and Mick) who are determined to blame the 'pathetic Democrats'

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Nonsense, as already said, he has not failed, congress failed him.

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As a previous President said 'the buck stops here'..

He's the President, he's responsible - if he isn't, what's the point of his job?

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I've said on a couple of occasions that Trump is an egotist. That works for and against him at different times.


The point is, he put forward policies that in my view are essential in the times we are currently living in. Where Political Correctness is blinding so many peoples' common sense thought process, Islamic terrorism is real, therefore border security is essential. Traditional moral values are being trashed and globalism, which has left so many people behind, and threatens the national sovereignty of individual countries has only temporarily been halted. Wars are far from over, so building up the military, makes good sense.


Let's hope he learns from healthcare bill. In general, he's fighting the right wing Republicans on one side, who in my view are not interested in a fair society and the Democrat members with liberal values, who hate him so much because of the policies I outlined above, and won't support him out of principle, on the other side.

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Oh isn't it very fitting now to say this. But when it comes to issuing executive orders, we've had comments from the likes of you and others saying he is not a dictator blah blah. Completely and utterly laughable. :rolleyes:

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He and congress failed. Congress isn't there to do his bidding, it's another branch of government. Trump is turning into a cult figure here, he can never fail only be failed.

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I get this but I find it utterly ridiculous that people are making wild accusations of him telling lies during the campaigns.

You know as much as I, the President cannot change such laws on a whim, that is down to congress, congress makes and changes laws, the President is there to approve them or reject them, he has tried to get a replacement for HC but as you have said and I agree, it is very complex but to solely blame Trump because it's Trump, is just wrong, at least in some part you are not appearing to just blame Trump, but others here just are gunning for Trump all the time and it is pathetic.

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No more pathetic than refusing to admit when he has failed or refusing to admit when he is shown to be a liar .The excuses that you and some others on here come up with to excuse his buffoonery are quite simply staggering and really quite amusing.

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More negative trash from you. :rolleyes:

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Trump set himself up for a fall, no one else did. I guess he was correct - no one replaced ObamaCare like he replaced ObamaCare! :D

Here's what Trump said on 9/2/16
"We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...blican-7650446

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No no no he didn't say that at all it's all fake news and Democrat lies:D

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He set out to immediately repeal it by getting congress to set new laws, he could not do this himself, so no he did not set himself up for a fall at all, by pulling the vote, he has done the opposite. :dozey:

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Trump's pure comedy gold, he's like a political version of David Brent. :D

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He says we. "We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare". I assumes this means the Republican Party which dominates Congress.

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Again, he immediately set out to get the laws changed by Congress. Congress could not agree to garner enough support to get the bill passed so he pulled it. He has years left to try again, it's not immediate, but the attempt is there!!!! :rolleyes:

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I set out to pass my driving test but I failed. It's different from passing which is what his tweet said.

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Poor analogy, try again, actually no, don't bother. I stand by my point. :rolleyes:

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ok, stepping away from the metaphors,Trump said "We [the Republican Party] will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare" he didn't say "We will try and set out to immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare if my colleagues will let me" which is what you seem to be implying he said.

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If you can't see the problem in that then there is no hope for you at all.

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Sky views has an interesting commentary this morning

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-...erica-10815339

and this little gem

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Nothing whatsoever to do with hope, it's called democracy, something you banged on about in the brexit thread, congress is like our parliament, checks and balances and then a final vote, it could not go to a final vote due to having not enough support, so if all else fails, try again. It would have been more bad if the vote had gone ahead and it failed.

So having hope is irrelevant, end of the day, he was elected President and there is no amount of excessive and constant negative moaning, you or others do, will change anything.

I just refuse to or want to join the, over-the-top negative hysteria, lets bash Trump, because it's Trump, club. Nor do I want to follow the one sided press, who are so obviously against Trump, I mean look at this weekend, there was more Pro Trump rallies in America over weekend, you're not hearing about it on Sky News or BBC news are you?

Infact, there was about 2000 Pro-Trump supporters in Southern California, walking along a beach (And btw California typically leans democrat) and 30 Anti-Trump protesters, masked and dressed in black, sprayed pepper spray at the organizers and tried to block their path, so a mass brawl broke out. The stupid black masked morons and imbeciles, came off worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...lash-southern/

So you talk about hope, my hope or expectation was fulfilled on November 9th, 2016 and that was, no surprises... watching Hillary lose.

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Just a a matter of interest Mick, what would Trump have to do to register your disapproval ? **** Hillary ?

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When Corbyn's more popular than you then it really is time to start thinking about hanging up the boots! For the record, I rate Trump over Corbyn.
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-alm...-poll-10815951

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YAY

Trump wins the popularity poll again

Oh wait he never won that before, could've if he'd wanted to but decided against it, this one he wanted to win, he approves of the approval vote

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So the wall isn't happening, Obamacare staying and the arch criminal Hillary still at large. It's almost as if he'd never been elected.

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That's not what that story says at all. Funding has been 'delayed'. Obamacare staying, isn't stopped either, need to go back to the drawing board and Republicans, ALL of them need to work together, as for Hillary for prison, hard to move forward with a prosecution when she has already been cleared by the FBI.

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If he's not doing what he claimed he would what are the usual anti-Trump suspects worrying about? Anyone would think they secretly want him to build his wall, jail Clinton etc... :D

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Shame they couldn't have done that before the election. The timing was all very suspicious...

Problem for Donald is that the Republican party just doesn't back him and he keeps talking about them as a separate entity . A lame duck President in charge of a lame duck country for 4 years. It's all worked out very well for Vladimir.

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Most of us that don't like Trump was sceptical of his promises in the first place. That said it is my preference he fails on those promises (unless he really can make Obamacare cheaper, better and without anyone losing insurance).

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If you say so, inaccurate of course but a waste of time discussing things with someone who has a miserable outlook on absolutely everything. :rolleyes:

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Exactly... ;)

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I must admit I don't like Trump at all but that's me he is not my President, I don't live there.

Just for the hell of it I signed up for daily updates from the White House due to the amount of vitriol by both the press and some members of this forum.

I like to think outside the box look at all sides and come to my own conclusion, I may live in Wales but I'm not a sheep. (not Welsh either:D).

What has surprised me is what he has done (all verifiable) that you don't get to hear about in the media, the meetings he's had with industry leaders, unions and womens groups.

The media just seem to concentrate on the negative side.

I still don't actually like him but I wouldn't run him down in the way the media does.

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We're living in a world increasingly dominated by social media fixated bandwagon jumpers who behave like frenzied sheep and the media will always tend to focus on the negative. I haven't dedicated much time to this subject but I can't recall reading/hearing anything positive about Trump on the BBC for example and that doesn't seem very balanced.

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Good job he's such a great closer though

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If there is much positive to report. Trump has had healthcare legislation fallen though and a travel ban struck down by the courts whilst the FBI is investigating the campaign. So it's not surprising there hasn't been a lot of good news.

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Did you notice the two sheep who replied after you?