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Carth 18-07-2021 12:01
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36086703)
Is there such a thing as a good woke/pc joke :shrug:

I'm struggling on that one . . give me a couple of years

RichardCoulter 05-08-2021 14:14
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
In a good sign that the police are taking trolling much more seriously, BBC lunchtime news is reporting that 11 people (10 male and 1 female) have been arrested for racist trolling following the Euro 2020 final.

They are currently investigating another 207 possible criminal offences and 35 social media accounts are under investigation. Another 50 are awaiting details from their ISP providers. 123 accounts are abroad and details have been referred to the relevant police forces.

The perpetrators are aged between 21 and 50, showing that this behaviour isn't coming from one particular age group or is soley confined to males. The result of their actions has led to, amongst other things, the loss of jobs, withdrawal of university places etc.

The Professional Footballers Association (PFA) commissioned research into online trolling and found that, in some cases, this had increased by as much as 48% and includes racism, sexism, homophobia and anti disability hate. As a result the PFA is concerned that there is still not enough being done about this problem. Having met with the PFA some time ago, i'm pleased to see that their words are being translated into actions.

Further evidence is being sought to add weight to aid in any prosecutions.

RichardCoulter 22-10-2021 22:23
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35854068)
It really depends on what they mean by 'troll'. Those of us who've been on the internet for a long time define troll as someone who says something relatively harmless but designed to provoke a reaction, i.e. someone on a forum who intentionally spouts nonsense to get a rise out of people.

However the media has taken troll to mean someone who tweets, most often it's a tweet otherwise a Facebook comment/message, rape or death threats to someone. Whilst discussion on the internet used to be confined to random and anonymous people who largely knew what they were getting into it's now a part of life for 'normal' people who don't expect the abuse that comes with the internet because of the aforementioned anonymous people. They've quite rightly come to the conclusion that the way they're addressed is simply not on.

Go to a prominent woman's twitter account and see their replies, especially if they've posted an opinion on politics or feminism, it's awful. These people aren't trolls as we would know them but nasty, disturbed, people.

We should work on the assumption that if you wouldn't write it in a letter to someone or say it to their face then neither is it acceptable online.
Some shocking revelations about what some are saying to women in this Panorama programme 'Why Do You Hate Me?'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...do-you-hate-me

Maggy 22-10-2021 23:20
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
I have a rule that I mostly observe. Don’t read the comments. I am much happier for it.

Paul 23-10-2021 02:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Dont use twatter, fakebook or instacrap and you'll defintely be much happier.

They are the worse thing ever to happen to the internet.

TheDaddy 23-10-2021 06:00
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36098512)
Dont use twatter, fakebook or instacrap and you'll defintely be much happier.

They are the worse thing ever to happen to the internet.
Don't mind twitter, have never seen what all the fuss is with it though, never really seen or received any abuse on there

Russ 23-10-2021 06:07
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36098512)
Dont use twatter, fakebook or instacrap and you'll defintely be much happier.

They are the worse thing ever to happen to the internet.
The worse thing the internet ever did was to convince people that just because they have an opinion they also have the right for it to be heard.

Mr K 23-10-2021 10:42
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36098523)
The worse thing the internet ever did was to convince people that just because they have an opinion they also have the right for it to be heard.
Too right, imho ;)

Blackshep 23-10-2021 20:11
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
We will protect people so much on the internet soon there will be no free speech oh for the days of " I can be offended by what your saying but have to support your right to say it" free speech is gone now I can't help help think the cure was worse then disease.

RichardCoulter 23-10-2021 20:46
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36098584)
We will protect people so much on the internet soon there will be no free speech oh for the days of " I can be offended by what your saying but have to support your right to say it" free speech is gone now I can't help help think the cure was worse then disease.
In this country we have (and will continue to have) free speech within defined parameters of appropriateness when the Onine Harms Bill becomes law.

Carth 23-10-2021 23:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098588)
In this country we have (and will continue to have) free speech within defined parameters of appropriateness when the Onine Harms Bill becomes law.
Yeah, like China does :rolleyes:

RichardCoulter 23-10-2021 23:57
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36098599)
Yeah, like China does :rolleyes:
We will have the right balance between people being allowed to freely express their views, whilst preventing those who wish to continue to abuse the right to free speech by bullying, insulting and belittling others- often those in minority or disadvantaged groups.

Calls were recently made to require website owners to verify and keep a register of users on their sites to put an end to anonymity on the internet. If these pathetic cowards have to put their real names to their comments, you just watch how fast they change their ways.

Those who don't do anything inappropriate on the internet have nothing to fear, in fact they probably won't even notice any difference.

Some trolls have been hunted down and have been found to have responsible jobs, some even in the caring sector! Their friends, family & neighbours were shocked and came out with such gems as "She seemed like such a nice woman", "He was so quiet & timid".

My own belief is that a lot of them are inadequate people who have no real influence or haven't succeeded in life. They are often unemployed, in dead end jobs or are dominated by their partner. Some no longer feel relevant and realise they have passed their peak because they have retired.

They seek to feel powerful by hurting others in order to convince themselves that they have any relevance at all.

Hugh 24-10-2021 00:11
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
My own belief is that a lot of them are inadequate people who have no real influence or haven't succeeded in life. They are often unemployed, in dead end jobs or are dominated by their partner. Some no longer feel relevant and realise they have passed their peak because they have retired.
That probably says more about you (and your beliefs) than you realise…

RichardCoulter 24-10-2021 00:21
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098602)
That probably says more about you (and your beliefs) than you realise…
What do you believe it says about me and my beliefs?

What do you think are the reasons why people harass & bully others on the internet?

Blackshep 24-10-2021 00:43
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Real free speech means a person being able to express any views or opinions regardless of others, you don't have to like or agree with people but constantly restricting what can be said and making it a criminal offence doesn't alleviate the problem. It drives it underground with groups of like minded individuals living in echo chambers with nobody to confront them. If your a sensitive person or somebody who allows words on the internet to negatively impact you avoid those words or develop coping mechanisms as it used to be rather then impacting the majority of people.

When I started going on the internet in the early 90's people told me it wasn't the place for the thin skinned and in the years since I've received a lot of abuse and some death threats but never have I thought about getting them silenced or involving the police. How far do we go?, where does it stop? speech with restrictions is clearly not free speech no matter how hard you delude yourself it is Richard and your personal view of what types of people you want to silence show an unpleasant aspect of you.

Hugh 24-10-2021 00:45
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098604)
What do you believe it says about me and my beliefs?

What do you think are the reasons why people harass & bully others on the internet?
What do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?

RichardCoulter 24-10-2021 01:37
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098606)
What do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?
I shall answer your questions after you've had the courtesy to answer mine.

Maggy 24-10-2021 09:46
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098608)
I shall answer your questions after you've had the courtesy to answer mine.
Can you be a bit more specific about which question or where you posted it? I've not got the time to go check.

Hugh 24-10-2021 12:25
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098602)
Quote:
My own belief is that a lot of them are inadequate people who have no real influence or haven't succeeded in life. They are often unemployed, in dead end jobs or are dominated by their partner. Some no longer feel relevant and realise they have passed their peak because they have retired.
That probably says more about you (and your beliefs) than you realise…
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098604)
What do you believe it says about me and my beliefs?

What do you think are the reasons why people harass & bully others on the internet?
I think it says that you think about people in simplified stereotypes, commenting adversely about others when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, and their motivations - I think you project your own biases onto others, and you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you or who negatively comments on things you've posted is bigoted against your disability, when often it has nothing to do with that, but with what you've posted, but your default position seems to be "you're bullying me because I'm disabled" (which is amusing considering your opinions/posts on other groups with "protected characteristics").

I think people harass & bully others on the internet because they are often cowards who hide behind a screen/keyboard (sometimes anonymously, but more often are happy to post using their real names), and so are disconnected (both emotionally & physically) from the person they are said to be harassing; often too, it is just an extension of their everyday behaviour, because they have no empathy for others, or lack the imagination to "put themselves in others' shoes", so have no realisation of the negative impact they could be causing, or even worse, don't care.

The challenge is that this is a very complex subject which people think has simple solutions - there isn't, and often trying to implement simple solutions that aren't fit for purpose just create more problems.

Anyway, back to you - what do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?

Paul 24-10-2021 13:54
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098608)
I shall answer your questions after you've had the courtesy to answer mine.
Ah, the old 'dodge the awkward question', how surprising.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098601)
We will have the right balance between people being allowed to freely express their views, whilst preventing those who wish to continue to abuse the right to free speech by bullying, insulting and belittling others- often those in minority or disadvantaged groups.
Who decides the balance ?

Abuse in who's opinion ?
Bullying in who's opinion ?
Insulting in who's opinion ?
Etc etc.

Anyone can claim they are being "insulted", "abused" or "bullied"
(whenever they dont agree with what someone else says to them).
Some do it regularly on this very forum, dont you they.

TheDaddy 24-10-2021 14:10
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098624)
I think it says that you think about people in simplified stereotypes, commenting adversely about others when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, and their motivations - I think you project your own biases onto others, and you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you or who negatively comments on things you've posted is bigoted against your disability, when often it has nothing to do with that, but with what you've posted, but your default position seems to be "you're bullying me because I'm disabled" (which is amusing considering your opinions/posts on other groups with "protected characteristics").

I think people harass & bully others on the internet because they are often cowards who hide behind a screen/keyboard (sometimes anonymously, but more often are happy to post using their real names), and so are disconnected (both emotionally & physically) from the person they are said to be harassing; often too, it is just an extension of their everyday behaviour, because they have no empathy for others, or lack the imagination to "put themselves in others' shoes", so have no realisation of the negative impact they could be causing, or even worse, don't care.

The challenge is that this is a very complex subject which people think has simple solutions - it isn't, and often trying to implement simple solutions that aren't fit for purpose just create more problems.

Anyway, back to you - what do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?
Nail. Hit. On. Head :tu:

Russ 24-10-2021 16:00
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098602)
That probably says more about you (and your beliefs) than you realise…
:clap:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098624)
I think it says that you think about people in simplified stereotypes, commenting adversely about others when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, and their motivations - I think you project your own biases onto others, and you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you or who negatively comments on things you've posted is bigoted against your disability, when often it has nothing to do with that, but with what you've posted, but your default position seems to be "you're bullying me because I'm disabled" (which is amusing considering your opinions/posts on other groups with "protected characteristics").

I think people harass & bully others on the internet because they are often cowards who hide behind a screen/keyboard (sometimes anonymously, but more often are happy to post using their real names), and so are disconnected (both emotionally & physically) from the person they are said to be harassing; often too, it is just an extension of their everyday behaviour, because they have no empathy for others, or lack the imagination to "put themselves in others' shoes", so have no realisation of the negative impact they could be causing, or even worse, don't care.

The challenge is that this is a very complex subject which people think has simple solutions - there isn't, and often trying to implement simple solutions that aren't fit for purpose just create more problems.

Anyway, back to you - what do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?
And so say all of us :clap:

Mad Max 24-10-2021 19:14
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098624)
I think it says that you think about people in simplified stereotypes, commenting adversely about others when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, and their motivations - I think you project your own biases onto others, and you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you or who negatively comments on things you've posted is bigoted against your disability, when often it has nothing to do with that, but with what you've posted, but your default position seems to be "you're bullying me because I'm disabled" (which is amusing considering your opinions/posts on other groups with "protected characteristics").

I think people harass & bully others on the internet because they are often cowards who hide behind a screen/keyboard (sometimes anonymously, but more often are happy to post using their real names), and so are disconnected (both emotionally & physically) from the person they are said to be harassing; often too, it is just an extension of their everyday behaviour, because they have no empathy for others, or lack the imagination to "put themselves in others' shoes", so have no realisation of the negative impact they could be causing, or even worse, don't care.

The challenge is that this is a very complex subject which people think has simple solutions - there isn't, and often trying to implement simple solutions that aren't fit for purpose just create more problems.

Anyway, back to you - what do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?

Hugh, that's a really good post....:D

jfman 27-10-2021 00:57
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098624)
I think it says that you think about people in simplified stereotypes, commenting adversely about others when you know nothing about them, their circumstances, and their motivations - I think you project your own biases onto others, and you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you or who negatively comments on things you've posted is bigoted against your disability, when often it has nothing to do with that, but with what you've posted, but your default position seems to be "you're bullying me because I'm disabled" (which is amusing considering your opinions/posts on other groups with "protected characteristics").

I think people harass & bully others on the internet because they are often cowards who hide behind a screen/keyboard (sometimes anonymously, but more often are happy to post using their real names), and so are disconnected (both emotionally & physically) from the person they are said to be harassing; often too, it is just an extension of their everyday behaviour, because they have no empathy for others, or lack the imagination to "put themselves in others' shoes", so have no realisation of the negative impact they could be causing, or even worse, don't care.

The challenge is that this is a very complex subject which people think has simple solutions - there isn't, and often trying to implement simple solutions that aren't fit for purpose just create more problems.

Anyway, back to you - what do you think are the reasons why people threaten others on social media/forums with lawyers?

Do you think this is bullying others on the internet?
Missed this at the time but spot on.

Hom3r 29-10-2021 10:14
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36098512)
Dont use twatter, fakebook or instacrap and you'll defintely be much happier.

They are the worse thing ever to happen to the internet.
Without Facebook I couldn't have told my cousin in Australia that my mum had died, I was able to use the phone function on Message.

Paul 29-10-2021 14:55
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Right, because its the only communication system on the planet. :rolleyes:

Stuart 31-10-2021 22:58
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36099173)
Without Facebook I couldn't have told my cousin in Australia that my mum had died, I was able to use the phone function on Message.
If you have a phone number, there is a perfectly good international phone system that also has the bonus that it doesn't generally scrap your data and profile you.

TheDaddy 01-11-2021 00:08
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36098636)
Ah, the old 'dodge the awkward question', how surprising.
Wonder if Hugh will ever get the courtesy of an answer, like what was demanded of him :)

Itshim 01-11-2021 18:27
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36098588)
In this country we have (and will continue to have) free speech within defined parameters of appropriateness when the Onine Harms Bill becomes law.
I.e say what you want as long as you agree with me . Welcome to new China :shocked:

pip08456 01-11-2021 18:30
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36099537)
Wonder if Hugh will ever get the courtesy of an answer, like what was demanded of him :)
From Richard? I highly doubt it!

Itshim 01-11-2021 18:33
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36098636)
Ah, the old 'dodge the awkward question', how surprising.

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Who decides the balance ?

Abuse in who's opinion ?
Bullying in who's opinion ?
Insulting in who's opinion ?
Etc etc.

Anyone can claim they are being "insulted", "abused" or "bullied"
(whenever they dont agree with what someone else says to them).
Some do it regularly on this very forum, dont you they.
Well said .

RichardCoulter 11-12-2021 00:11
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
One step closer in the fight to strengthen the laws against hostility towards disabled people:

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.co...oToqwyAiPgIVTc

Mad Max 11-12-2021 00:40
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
There is hostility to all sorts of people in our society, not just the disabled.

Carth 11-12-2021 00:46
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105176)
One step closer in the fight to strengthen the laws against hostility towards disabled people:

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.co...oToqwyAiPgIVTc
Christ, we may as well turn the internet off and dismantle it, one wrong word and you're a criminal :rolleyes:

Mad Max 11-12-2021 00:47
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105179)
Christ, we may as well turn the internet off and dismantle it, one wrong word and you're a criminal :rolleyes:
Spot on.

Maggy 11-12-2021 09:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105179)
Christ, we may as well turn the internet off and dismantle it, one wrong word and you're a criminal :rolleyes:

No!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36105180)
Spot on.
Nope!

Jaymoss 11-12-2021 09:31
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36105177)
There is hostility to all sorts of people in our society, not just the disabled.
yeah and some are heard more than others. I do not see your point here? are you saying hostility to the disabled is less important and not worth posting the link for??

Carth 11-12-2021 10:58
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105179)
Christ, we may as well turn the internet off and dismantle it, one wrong word and you're a criminal :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105190)
No!
It's the only way to stop online abuse.

It's now getting to the stage where anything you write/post on the internet, no matter how innocent or innocuous it is, can be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere - whether to them or on behalf of others - and the knock on the door follows.

And I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting there are people out there that go looking for it, either for financial gain or the smug satisfaction of seeing others trip over.

Just look at how many times on this forum, that a MOD has had to step in and tell people to cool down . . then take it a stage further where instead of warning people, you have to (by law) report them to the authorities as 'posts that could be construed as offensive'

That could eventually lead to bye bye forum, closed down and possibly fines handed out. Do we want it to reach that stage?

papa smurf 11-12-2021 11:07
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105208)
It's the only way to stop online abuse.

It's now getting to the stage where anything you write/post on the internet, no matter how innocent or innocuous it is, can be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere - whether to them or on behalf of others - and the knock on the door follows.

And I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting there are people out there that go looking for it, either for financial gain or the smug satisfaction of seeing others trip over.

Just look at how many times on this forum, that a MOD has had to step in and tell people to cool down . . then take it a stage further where instead of warning people, you have to (by law) report them to the authorities as 'posts that could be construed as offensive'

That could eventually lead to bye bye forum, closed down and possibly fines handed out. Do we want it to reach that stage?
We could just carry on argu- er debating in prison :spin:

mrmistoffelees 11-12-2021 11:45
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36105211)
We could just carry on argu- er debating in prison :spin:

Might make people think a bit more if debates were conducted via the banging of spoons on pipes/walls

Carth 11-12-2021 11:50
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36105217)
Might make people think a bit more if debates were conducted via the banging of spoons on pipes/walls
Wouldn't work, someone would misinterpret a 'clang clunk clang' for a clunk clunk clang' and there'd be a riot :D

mrmistoffelees 11-12-2021 11:55
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105218)
Wouldn't work, someone would misinterpret a 'clang clunk clang' for a clunk clunk clang' and there'd be a riot :D
:D:D:D

Hugh 11-12-2021 13:00
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
I'd teach you all morse code (for a price...).

Carth 11-12-2021 13:16
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105228)
I'd teach you all morse code (for a price...).
.-.. --- .-..


;)

TheDaddy 11-12-2021 13:31
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105231)
.-.. --- .-..


;)
Reported post, incredibly rude....


You ever get that reply Hugh?

Hugh 11-12-2021 13:53
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105231)
.-.. --- .-..


;)
We weren't taught dots and dashes, but dits and dahs* - so your message would have be "didahdidit dahdahdah didahdidit".

.. - / -- .. --. .... - / - .- -.- . / -.-- --- ..- / .- / .-- .... .. .-.. . / - --- / -.. . -.-. --- -.. . / - .... .. ... --..-- / -... ..- - / -.-- --- ..- / .-- .. .-.. .-.. / ..-. .. -. -.. / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / .. - / .-- .- ... / .- .-.. .-.. / .- / .-- .- ... - . / --- ..-. / - .. -- .

*and six more letters than the English Alphabet.

Carth 11-12-2021 14:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105234)
We weren't taught dots and dashes, but dits and dahs* - so your message would have be "didahdidit dahdahdah didahdidit".

.. - / -- .. --. .... - / - .- -.- . / -.-- --- ..- / .- / .-- .... .. .-.. . / - --- / -.. . -.-. --- -.. . / - .... .. ... --..-- / -... ..- - / -.-- --- ..- / .-- .. .-.. .-.. / ..-. .. -. -.. / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / .. - / .-- .- ... / .- .-.. .-.. / .- / .-- .- ... - . / --- ..-. / - .. -- .

*and six more letters than the English Alphabet.
yeah I nearly went the dit dah way . . and even then forgot the 'slash' separators in the dot method :D


. . . I also nearly confused the 'O' with 'S' :dunce:

Mad Max 11-12-2021 15:01
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105190)
No!

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Nope!
In your opinion of course.:rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105208)
It's the only way to stop online abuse.

It's now getting to the stage where anything you write/post on the internet, no matter how innocent or innocuous it is, can be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere - whether to them or on behalf of others - and the knock on the door follows.

And I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting there are people out there that go looking for it, either for financial gain or the smug satisfaction of seeing others trip over.

Just look at how many times on this forum, that a MOD has had to step in and tell people to cool down . . then take it a stage further where instead of warning people, you have to (by law) report them to the authorities as 'posts that could be construed as offensive'

That could eventually lead to bye bye forum, closed down and possibly fines handed out. Do we want it to reach that stage?
:clap::clap:

Paul 11-12-2021 15:27
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105190)
No!

Nope!
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying 'no' to ?

The age of people getting "offended" at every little thing is already upon us.
(or at least, saying they are, much like most of the "phobic" & "isms" these days, its a highly misused word).

Maggy 11-12-2021 19:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36105240)
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying 'no' to ?

The age of people getting "offended" at every little thing is already upon us.
(or at least, saying they are, much like most of the "phobic" & "isms" these days, its a highly misused word).
That everyone is allowed an opinion but it doesn't mean that everyone should necessarily express it.I'd just wish some would bite their lip and consider the effect they have on others once in a while.

Jaymoss 11-12-2021 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105262)
That everyone is allowed an opinion but it doesn't mean that everyone should necessarily express it.I'd just wish some would bite their lip and consider the effect they have on others once in a while.
Everyone has opinions but we live in an age where we are dictated to as to what opinions we are "allowed" to have. And cancel culture just makes it all worse

Pierre 11-12-2021 20:20
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105262)
That everyone is allowed an opinion but it doesn't mean that everyone should necessarily express it
I love it. The whole point of free speech is that you may have opinions that offend people. Anyone that asks that you curtail that, is dubious to day the least

Quote:
I'd just wish some would bite their lip and consider the effect they have on others once in a while.
Wow, don’t mean to offend but you must be the oldest snowflake there is.

Mad Max 11-12-2021 20:26
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105262)
That everyone is allowed an opinion but it doesn't mean that everyone should necessarily express it.I'd just wish some would bite their lip and consider the effect they have on others once in a while.
Me too.:rolleyes:

Carth 11-12-2021 23:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Something else that annoys me, 50 year old people apologising for something they did/said/wrote when they were 17 years old, or for something their relatives did, or the country did 150 years before they were even born.

No matter how things turn out, I refuse to apologise just because one of my ancestors from thousands of years ago, had a pop at a woman just because she ate an apple . . no matter what book it's in :p:

Maggy 12-12-2021 10:06
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36105265)
I love it. The whole point of free speech is that you may have opinions that offend people. Anyone that asks that you curtail that, is dubious to day the least



Wow, don’t mean to offend but you must be the oldest snowflake there is.
I also don't like the fact that 'free speech' has become the right to say anything offensive to anybody particularly from behind a keyboard.

Hugh 12-12-2021 10:10
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105288)
Something else that annoys me, 50 year old people apologising for something they did/said/wrote when they were 17 years old, or for something their relatives did, or the country did 150 years before they were even born.

No matter how things turn out, I refuse to apologise just because one of my ancestors from thousands of years ago, had a pop at a woman just because she ate an apple . . no matter what book it's in :p:
Yet some people invoke the good/great things we did in the past to show what a great country we are/were, but get annoyed when some of the not so good/great things we did as a country are raised - selective viewing of the past…

Paul 12-12-2021 15:14
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105300)
Yet some people invoke the good/great things we did in the past to show what a great country we are/were, but get annoyed when some of the not so good/great things we did as a country are raised - selective viewing of the past…
There is nothing wrong with saying/rasing what 'the country' did 150 (or whatever) years ago, apologising for it, as though its our fault, is something else.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105299)
I also don't like the fact that 'free speech' has become the right to say anything offensive to anybody particularly from behind a keyboard.
Isnt that what "free" speech is ?

Also, "offensive" is a relative term, and constantly misused by people simply because they dont agree with something.

Hugh 12-12-2021 15:36
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
"Free speech" also includes being allowed to challenge what others say, which is what some "free speech" advocates object to - their definition of "free speech" appears to be "I can say what I want, but you can’t say what you want if it’s not in total support of my view"…

Carth 12-12-2021 15:52
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105350)
"Free speech" also includes being allowed to challenge what others say, which is what some "free speech" advocates object to - their definition of "free speech" appears to be "I can say what I want, but you can’t say what you want if it’s not in total support of my view"…
Challenge - definitely
Pass laws against - be very careful

Jaymoss 12-12-2021 15:56
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
There are already laws against "Free Speech"
Bare in mind you can get done for hate crimes just by using speech. Long gone are the days of sticks and stones and rightly so in some cases, words can do a lot of damage

TheDaddy 12-12-2021 16:04
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36105341)
There is nothing wrong with saying/rasing what 'the country' did 150 (or whatever) years ago, apologising for it, as though its our fault, is something else.
I find plenty wrong with it, you're apologising on behalf of long dead people who saw nothing wrong with what they were doing, times were different then, we can say, using our modern values it was wrong and it'd be better it didn't happen but it won't change anything and I don't like the way any requests for apologies are soon followed by demands for reparations

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36105350)
"Free speech" also includes being allowed to challenge what others say, which is what some "free speech" advocates object to - their definition of "free speech" appears to be "I can say what I want, but you can’t say what you want if it’s not in total support of my view"…
Yeah was like that at school, don't say anything unless you're sure everyone else present is in total agreement with you

pip08456 12-12-2021 16:19
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36105355)
I find plenty wrong with it, you're apologising on behalf of long dead people who saw nothing wrong with what they were doing, times were different then, we can say, using our modern values it was wrong and it'd be better it didn't happen but it won't change anything and I don't like the way any requests for apologies are soon followed by demands for reparations



Yeah was like that at school, don't say anything unless you're sure everyone else present is in total agreement with you
I think you need to read Paul's post again.

Carth 12-12-2021 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36105354)
There are already laws against "Free Speech"
Bare in mind you can get done for hate crimes just by using speech. Long gone are the days of sticks and stones and rightly so in some cases, words can do a lot of damage
Yes, there are already laws in place, and many do a decent job.
The trouble is that either these laws are constantly amended, words and phrases added, definitions updated, or new laws are being implemented to cover newer terms, conditions and practices in the rapidly changing digital world we live in.

Laws are fine, no problem, they create a line we shouldn't cross. That line however, is turning into a mile wide 'grey' area full of hidden pitfalls, a minefield where the smartest and most expensive (or free if you qualify) lawyers ply their trade.

Paul 12-12-2021 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36105358)
I think you need to read Paul's post again.
I think so as well.

TheDaddy 12-12-2021 23:45
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36105358)
I think you need to read Paul's post again.
Yes my eyesight is not great anymore, looked to me like the post carried on from not seeing anything wrong to apologising :spin:

RichardCoulter 13-12-2021 21:07
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105299)
I also don't like the fact that 'free speech' has become the right to say anything offensive to anybody particularly from behind a keyboard.
It's usually inadequates that do this as they wouldn't dare say it to a person's face. There's even a name for them 'Keyboard Warriors'!

Mythica 13-12-2021 21:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105547)
It's usually inadequates that do this as they wouldn't dare say it to a person's face. There's even a name for them 'Keyboard Warriors'!
You mean like the ones that threaten legal action at the drop of a hat?

Russ 13-12-2021 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36105548)
You mean like the ones that threaten legal action at the drop of a hat?
Yep the irony is off the scale.

Still, some of us have worked in Law for a long time and would relish the challenge.

RichardCoulter 13-12-2021 21:16
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105208)
It's the only way to stop online abuse.

It's now getting to the stage where anything you write/post on the internet, no matter how innocent or innocuous it is, can be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere - whether to them or on behalf of others - and the knock on the door follows.

And I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting there are people out there that go looking for it, either for financial gain or the smug satisfaction of seeing others trip over.

Just look at how many times on this forum, that a MOD has had to step in and tell people to cool down . . then take it a stage further where instead of warning people, you have to (by law) report them to the authorities as 'posts that could be construed as offensive'

That could eventually lead to bye bye forum, closed down and possibly fines handed out. Do we want it to reach that stage?
The vast, vast majority of people won't notice any difference whatsoever or have to amend how they publish things online. They will simply continue to treat people with kindness, consideration, respect and make allowances for any disabilities that affects how a person expresses themselves or interacts.

Your suggestion that those wronged who turn to legal redress are doing it for personal gain or the satisfaction of smugly seeing others 'trip over' is as wrong as it is incorrect. These type of remarks are likely to cause offence, so anyone who fears 'tripping over' would be wise to start watching where they are going.

Many websites, forums, chat rooms etc are already revising their forum rules and retraining admin/moderation staff for the forthcoming online harms bill anyway, so this initiative could just be incorporated into this to prevent any fines/closures etc.

Paul 13-12-2021 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105550)
Your suggestion that those wronged who turn to legal redress are doing it for personal gain or the satisfaction of smugly seeing others 'trip over' is as wrong as it is incorrect.
Firstly, wrong and incorrect are the same thing. :dozey:
Secondly, you are obviously wrong, as people clearly do it for both, esp personal gain.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105550)
These type of remarks are likely to cause offence, so anyone who fears 'tripping over' would be wise to start watching where they are going.
Wonderful, you just completely proved my point about the mis-use of "offence" (or "offended").

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105550)
Many websites, forums, chat rooms etc are already revising their forum rules and retraining admin/moderation staff for the forthcoming online harms bill anyway, so this initiative could just be incorporated into this to prevent any fines/closures etc.
Many are not, nor do they need to.

Russ 13-12-2021 22:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36105554)
Secondly, you are obviously wrong, as people clearly do it for both, esp personal gain.
I can confirm this to be true as several times clients have told me they’re “only putting in a claim for some cash”. Not all of course and not even anywhere close to ‘most’. But there are plenty of people out there that do.

Carth 13-12-2021 22:09
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105550)

Your suggestion that those wronged who turn to legal redress are doing it for personal gain or the satisfaction of smugly seeing others 'trip over' is as wrong as it is incorrect. These type of remarks are likely to cause offence, so anyone who fears 'tripping over' would be wise to start watching where they are going.
Sounds like a threat to me, it probably isn't, but it certainly could be construed as one, and under new rules could possibly be termed abusive.

RichardCoulter 14-12-2021 07:53
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Just been on the news that the committee scrutinising the Online Harms Bill doesn't think that it goes far enough. They believe that certain things should be made outright illegal before they are even posted and subsequently dealt with eg encouraging suicide, cyber flashing etc.

They have concluded that the fine line between freedom of speech and protecting vulnerable people from online harm hasn't been met voluntarily by websites.

In addition, they believe that ISP's should be made more responsible for online harm prevention too.

Carth 14-12-2021 10:45
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105573)
Just been on the news that the committee scrutinising the Online Harms Bill doesn't think that it goes far enough. They believe that certain things should be made outright illegal before they are even posted and subsequently dealt with eg encouraging suicide, cyber flashing etc.

They have concluded that the fine line between freedom of speech and protecting vulnerable people from online harm hasn't been met voluntarily by websites.

In addition, they believe that ISP's should be made more responsible for online harm prevention too.
I wonder just how they are going to make that work?

Will ISP's have to employ an army of people who's role and responsibility is to do nothing but trawl the internet looking for breaches of the 'new' rules?

It can't be even more algorithms thrown into computer programs that constantly scan web pages, because they just spot words and phrases, not intent or subtle innuendo.

No, it will still be people 'reporting' posts where they believe something now 'illegal' has been written, therefore a 'crime' has been committed hasn't it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105208)

Just look at how many times on this forum, that a MOD has had to step in and tell people to cool down . . then take it a stage further where instead of warning people, you have to (by law) report them to the authorities as 'posts that could be construed as offensive'

That could eventually lead to bye bye forum, closed down and possibly fines handed out. Do we want it to reach that stage?

Russ 14-12-2021 10:52
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105586)

No, it will still be people 'reporting' posts where they believe something now 'illegal' has been written, therefore a 'crime' has been committed hasn't it.
Yep


Quote:
Yesterday it emerged that a Labour MP had reported a student to the authorities at Bristol University for what she considered a death threat.
Verity Phillips, 20, tweeted to local MP Thangam Debbonaire that she should ‘get in the sea’ – a regular dismissive phrase used on Twitter.
The politician replied: ‘This person has just told me to drown – I believe that is a threat to kill.’

Jaymoss 14-12-2021 10:56
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It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual

Russ 14-12-2021 11:03
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36105588)
It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual
I don’t think it’s even that.

I say it’s a case of too many people thinking that just because they have an opinion about something they also have the right for it to be heard.

If we could only cure the human race of that fallacy the world would be a better place.

heero_yuy 14-12-2021 11:16
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It also has to be remembered that this is a UK law and applies only to UK firms or firms with UK asssets and/or UK based individuals.

Most are not, nor are based in other regions where the UK has any leverage. Such is the nature of the internet.

Carth 14-12-2021 11:34
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36105589)
I say it’s a case of too many people thinking that just because they have an opinion about something they also have the right for it to be heard.
In one sense I agree Russ, but then again isn't that what 'free speech' encompasses?

Look at all the comments on this forum about Boris for example, just peoples opinion of him, but some of them may (in future) be classed as abusive and illegal . . . and how long before the Telegraph cartoonists get a knock on the door?

Russ 14-12-2021 11:46
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105591)
In one sense I agree Russ, but then again isn't that what 'free speech' encompasses?
I don’t believe in “free speech” purely because people WILL try to take advantage. Too many think it’s the right to say what they want without repercussions.

For example, Boris. He’s a known liar. I am free to say that as it’s been proven countless times and has even been sacked for it (hopefully one more time).

If I wanted to I am also free to express that “I want him killed” but that would rightly get me in trouble with the Law.

For the absence of doubt (and worthless busybodies) that was just a hypothetical example and I do NOT want him killed by anyone and I neither do I wish any harm on him.

mrmistoffelees 14-12-2021 12:06
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105586)
I wonder just how they are going to make that work?

Will ISP's have to employ an army of people who's role and responsibility is to do nothing but trawl the internet looking for breaches of the 'new' rules?

It can't be even more algorithms thrown into computer programs that constantly scan web pages, because they just spot words and phrases, not intent or subtle innuendo.

No, it will still be people 'reporting' posts where they believe something now 'illegal' has been written, therefore a 'crime' has been committed hasn't it.
I’m going to assume you actually mean hosting providers rather than ISP’s. I can’t see many T1 providers agreeing to do that. Especially as in many cases it would require SSL decryption.

Carth 14-12-2021 12:14
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36105595)
I’m going to assume you actually mean hosting providers rather than ISP’s. I can’t see many T1 providers agreeing to do that. Especially as in many cases it would require SSL decryption.
No idea mate, I just took 'ISP' from the post by Richard.
You probably know more about the difficulties and pitfalls than I do :)

mrmistoffelees 14-12-2021 12:21
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105597)
No idea mate, I just took 'ISP' from the post by Richard.
You probably know more about the difficulties and pitfalls than I do :)

SSL decryption itself is a doddle to implement at a business level mitm certificate on each device. Then something like netskope agent it can be somebody also on Palo Alto Firewalls

Pierre 14-12-2021 12:41
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36105299)
I also don't like the fact that 'free speech' has become the right to say anything offensive to anybody particularly from behind a keyboard.
We can agree on that, to go out and to purposefully offend someone is not very nice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105573)
In addition, they believe that ISP's should be made more responsible for online harm prevention too.
That's a bit like holding the Post Office accountable for the content of peoples letters.

Maggy 14-12-2021 15:31
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36105600)
That's a bit like holding the Post Office accountable for the content of peoples letters.
:tu:

RichardCoulter 14-12-2021 15:53
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36105588)
It would be so much easier if people were just nice but the world has massive numbers of horrid nasty (insert word of choice) so the vulnerable have to be protected

Most members here are not in that category and grew up in different times. Millennials however are caught in a Social Media trap where it becomes a very real addiction. They sit on their devices trying to "make an impact" and they thrive on likes in a very real way. Dopamine is released the very same neurotransmitter that causes addiction with gambling and alcohol. So when it all turns negative they literally go cold turkey and this leads to depression and sometimes sadly suicide. So something has to be done

It is very easy to sit in your* ivory towers and think there is not a problem. But you* are very very wrong

*not aimed at any individual
What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36105590)
It also has to be remembered that this is a UK law and applies only to UK firms or firms with UK asssets and/or UK based individuals.

Most are not, nor are based in other regions where the UK has any leverage. Such is the nature of the internet.
I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.

mrmistoffelees 14-12-2021 15:59
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105623)
What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?


There are carers of those with dementia who may get incredibly frustrated and when they’re not with the person may criticise them. Is that right ? Probably not. Is it understandable ? Absolutely so. Patience is not an infinite resource and at times it will get stretched or torn. We are after all imperfect by nature

papa smurf 14-12-2021 16:10
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105623)
What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

---------- Post added at 15:53 ---------- Previous post was at 15:39 ----------



I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.
Joe Biden comes to mind.

Mythica 14-12-2021 16:29
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105623)
What an excellent post- thank you. If more people took heed and were kind, understanding, empathetic and helpful, countless lives would become better for people all over the world. Instead, all too often, you get the attitude of 'Your disability is no excuse'! How attitudes would change should they or their loved one's suffer the same fate as others. It's likely to happen too, as the majority of people will become disabled due to attack, disease, accident or old age.

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.

I wonder if a person with dementia would be criticised for repeatedly not remembering something or someone with a stutter mocked for the way that they interact?

---------- Post added at 15:53 ---------- Previous post was at 15:39 ----------



I've no idea how Ofcom will deal with this, but to allow websites to flout the law via this method makes a mockery of the whole thing.

I am part of an advisory group and our submission to Ofcom did include examples of online bullying/harassment of disabled people on a site based outside the UK were included. We were told that details about this would be provided in due course.
How many times have you had a go at people who work in overseas call centres? You call them all names under the sun on these forums. The reasons you get called out on for what you post is because of the hypocrisy in your posts.

Russ 14-12-2021 16:31
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36105630)
How many times have you had a go at people who work in overseas call centres? You call them all names under the sun on these forums. The reasons you get called out on for what you post is because of the hypocrisy in your posts.
:tu:

:clap:

Carth 14-12-2021 17:25
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105623)

I was disappointed to see that I have again been criticised for the way that I have posted something, despite it being known that I have cognitive issues following a brain injury.
Sorry you feel disappointed, but under the rules being pushed it doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that matters is if someone believes a post contains a hint of abuse or threat.

Right back at ya :p:

RichardCoulter 14-12-2021 18:18
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105639)
Sorry you feel disappointed, but under the rules being pushed it doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that matters is if someone believes a post contains a hint of abuse or threat.

Right back at ya :p:
AIUI, that won't actually be correct. Let's just wait and see what the final legislation actually says.

Carth 14-12-2021 18:30
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105639)
Sorry you feel disappointed, but under the rules being pushed it doesn't matter what you think, the only thing that matters is if someone believes a post contains a hint of abuse or threat.

Right back at ya :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105656)
AIUI, that won't actually be correct. Let's just wait and see what the final legislation actually says.
Well I stand corrected then, however if it's not correct, why do some people rush off to consult solicitors, personal carers, life tutors etc when they read something that they think is . . . abusive, threatening or discriminatory?

Like I said earlier, the thin line is actually a mile wide, depending on your perspective.

RichardCoulter 14-12-2021 20:21
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It depends, it's all relative & contextual.

The new legislation is designed to help and protect allsorts of vulnerable people too, as well as disabled people. Efforts are being made to include measures to prevent people from being scammed. Sites like Facebook are happy to take ad revenue from known scammers!!! Martin Lewis has done a lot of work in this regard as they keep using his image/reputation to lull people into a false sense of security.

RichardCoulter 15-12-2021 16:51
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Singer Billy Eilish reveals that exposure to misogyny and porn made her ill for two months:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-59658663.amp

I myself have suffered ill health because of things i've been exposed to on the internet, so can relate to this. Making site owners have a formal duty of care towards their users is designed to stop others from suffering like this.

papa smurf 15-12-2021 17:01
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105783)
Singer Billy Eilish reveals that exposure to misogyny and porn made her ill for two months:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-59658663.amp

I myself have suffered ill health because of things i've been exposed to on the internet, so can relate to this. Making site owners have a formal duty of care towards their users is designed to stop others from suffering like this.
Have you tried staying off the internet, look for the little button with off switch symbol and press it, all your internet woes will disappear.

peanut 15-12-2021 17:10
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36105783)
Singer Billy Eilish reveals that exposure to misogyny and porn made her ill for two months:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...s-59658663.amp

I myself have suffered ill health because of things i've been exposed to on the internet, so can relate to this. Making site owners have a formal duty of care towards their users is designed to stop others from suffering like this.
Why am I not surprised.. Did you complain or make a claim against such site?

Carth 15-12-2021 17:39
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
They could have used a better picture for that 'story'.

Is it supposed to be the sultry look, the superior look, the composed look, or the hurt look?

All I can see is another idiot that looks out of their head on a combination of drugs, alcohol, and celebrity status.

I've also always been under the impression that porn sites have an age verification check . . although I guess if you go looking for them you can probably find some that don't.

Just another waste of space trying to blame others for her own actions. Nothing to do with the failure of site owners, just poor 'life' choices.

Russ 15-12-2021 17:45
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Good job misandry doesn’t make the hit list then!

Carth 15-12-2021 18:03
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36105799)
Good job misandry doesn’t make the hit list then!
Oh My God that's awful . .

It's a good job I'm thick skinned and intelligent enough to see that it's just some strange woman with a 'man' phobia looking for a reaction . . otherwise I'd be tempted to write letters of complaint to my local MP, the Government, the police, and (if I had the number) I'd ring the CEO of twitter ;)


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