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Britain will still be bound to all the rules and regulations of the EU even after A50 is invoked. Think of it like handing in your notice at work, you still have to turn up to work, follow all the rules you just might not be called into some very important and sensitive meetings.

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Probably not, but I don't see why any trade negotiations could not be done and finalised in that period.

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That's what I would have thought but not sure.

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Well it would be pretty daft to wait 2 years to deal with Europe then after that point make a start on the rest of the world, you'd lose a lot of time to the detriment of the country.

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I suspect the EU have already decided what they are prepared to offer and what's not on offer. They've also decided the terms on which the offers will be made if we invoke Article 50.

The UK needs to be just as ready when they invoke Article 50.

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I don't see why we can't make overtures to various nations, I suspect many theoretical possibilities where considered even prior to last Thursday, but it takes a long time to hammer out trade deals. They're messy things.

The bigger problem seems to quite literally be a lack of manpower. Reports last weekend said we don't have enough trade negotiators to deal with the EU yet let alone to go out and strike up deals with other nations. Finally any prospect deals then need input from different government departments/sectors of industry.

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Although the new Prime Minister is still to be put in place work is going on to set up the Civil Service department that will be responsible for the task of untangling the UK’s decades-long relationship with the EU.

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/ar...team-says-dclg


Oliver Robbins

I know many people think that the Civil Service is a joke but I certainly hope this new Brexit unit does what needs to be done to give our political negotiators the backing they will certainly need in the coming months

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Indeed but what if they say we can't do that?

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Considering that the USA now wants a deal (Though that may be TIPP which is unacceptable) at least talks are starting.

Also NZ have offered their negotiators to help us out apparently. I'll give links when I get home in a couple of hrs.

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They can get round that by having a second group having exploratory talks with the rest of the world so we know where to go if or when EU deals fail to offer what we want.

Europe also trades with the rest of the world via Amazon which is based in Luxembourg so how do Luxembourg get away with that?

Perhaps the EU get away with rest of the world trade by using a third party in this case Amazon.

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Under the current EU rules after invoking article 50 two years must pass and the UK fully exit the EU before trade negotiations can begin, in my opinion it's a punitive measure designed purely to make things harder then they need to be for any nation leaving the EU. I have no doubt that informal talks on trade would occur during the article 50 2 year period which could then be official trade deals at the end of the 2 years. Personally once a nation invokes article 50 they are on a one-way route out of the EU and the EU has no right to limit that nation in it's trade dealings with anyone outside of the EU. The fact the EU does hold sway over non EU trade negotiations is another example of why I want out of the EU.

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Doesn't mean we can't have 'exploratory' meetings. Informal chats here and there.

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Hence why I mentioned informal talks.

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Sorry, somehow skimmed right past that.

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I think all our heads are spinning a bit at this point :).

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That's how i understand the process ,whilst we will still be bound by all EU laws and treaties until we have formally left there is nothing stopping us negotiating treaties to take effect from the day we leave



here ya go

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Yep that's excellent news we're gonna need them I feel.

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Seems like a very practical solution which may inspire financial markets to have a little more faith in our ability to ride out this crisis.

Hope S&P restore our Triple A rating too.

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Does kinda illustrate how much Brussels has taken over though doesn't it

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Well that depends on how much the EU wishes to punish us.

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The EU is a kind of private members club with the 6 founder members as the committee which makes the "house rules" and the other EU leaders are the club members who are required to obey the house rules.

Since the committee operates to the benefit of the founder members it follows that if you don't follow the house rules you will be punished in some way given that the house rules really debar leaders from any independent thinking and action.

Given the dissatisfaction in the EU I often wondered if the UK could in conjunction with others found their own version of the EU but with a better set of house rules.

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Damn! Well we can at least set trade deals up to kick in once we are fully out. :)

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There are plenty of trading options out there and some of them are very willing to establish trade with the UK, as Marty has said this is an opportunity to reinvigorate UK manufacturing again and obtain a more balanced economy. In the past the UK does best when it has to innovate and work for it's rewards and the people of this nation were also at their best under those conditions. It's easy to be pessimistic at times like this even natural but with the right leader believing in this country this could be the start of something very good for the UK we just have to be more confident in ourselves.

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Which manufacturing sector(s) should we re-invigorate?

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Trade will dictate that as we will tailor to what's needed and what we are capable of.

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Competing against low-wage economies in clothing, textiles, electronics, furniture, cars, etc. - not sure what's left.

We're very good at high end stuff - commodities, we can't compete on price.

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Well in the UK the lowest paid workers earn less in real terms than low paid workers in the 1860's!!!! Also worth mentioning Britains pensions are on average the worst in Europe.

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If Brexit cause a temporary drop in incomes then turn off Sky/virgin, mobile phones, no more takeaways, no fast food, ect. Maybe Brexit stops us being slaves to consumerism... OMG I'm not who I thought I was,

Brexit has woke me up a bit lol, I was a blind stupid consumer doing what I was told. An lived my life via interest rates...

Imagine we treasure every penny we earn, keep it under the mattress don't "consume". But but but under the mattress you won't get interest!!! Fine I don't want any lol. We have all the money , they just spend hours figuring out how to get it from us.

Don't get me wrong I'm not about to urinate up a bank and throw paint at McDonalds but, what if we start keeping the money we earn? It all fails, it's a giant Ponzi scheme!

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We do t need a New World Order, we don't need a revolution, we don't need a leader, we just need to keep our money. That's how you change things, an a few pints of 1664, ;):D:p:

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I think its mostly the 1664 talking

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Maybe we could look at what manufactured goods we currently import and see which of those we can manufacture ourselves.

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As Hugh says its not as simple as many think to build up our manufacturing base again against such fierce competition and lower prices abroad.

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We import them because it's much cheaper to do so.

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and maybe post Brexit it will be cheaper to make them given the extortionate tariffs expected from remainers

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There was once a time when Britain used to be the workshop of the world but we priced ourselves out of the market with the result that we were superseded by China, Taiwan etc.

Because we bought from these countries they were able to build up their manufacturing base at the expense of ours so our manufacturing base declined. Cheapness of price is not everything.

If we want a return to manufacturing in Britain and the jobs associated with it we will have to get back to the habit of "Buying British" and being prepared to pay a little more bearing in mind that British companies will be paying UK tax which can be re-invested in our manufacturing base. It also puts the onus on British manufacturers coming up with creative ranges of well designed, high quality, high value products at an affordable price.

It will no doubt take some time but China's rise to power did not happen overnight nor should that deter us from trying to rebuild our manufacturing base.

In the beginning it may well be that instead of large, expensive factories we use a cottage industry style of development with small units being run on economic lines. Or we could combine a human work force with an automated one etc.

We could start with small products like nails, of which we import quite a lot though there may well be larger products worthy of manufacture. Much of the development will come from entrepreneurs coming up with creative ways of adding value to a product at a low cost, using creative designs and innovation for example.

We can make our products more desirable to others in terms of cost if we sell to our home market at a slightly higher price that that used for exports.

The whole point is that if we do not make a start on rebuilding our manufacturing base we will always have an unbalanced economy totally reliant on the success of financial services. Diversification is the way that we reduce risk so that if one part of the economy fails we do not take a major hit.

It also helps us to reduce and redress our balance of trade so that we are less dependant on others for our goods and services.

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What happened to democracy and majority rules? Thousands of pro-EU people gather in London to March to Parliament Square. They want us to remain in the EU and I don't think they realise the consequences of their actions. Anarchy could break out among the Leavers. There could be battles in the streets if the Government give in and either not invoke Article 50 or hold another referendum.

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London's not big on democracy .

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A interesting post ntl as there are many things there which l agree with but personally l think its going to be very hard to build up the huge manufacturing base we once had sadly.

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And tbf, our huge manufacturing base depended on our Empire for resources and as a market.

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The British empire did more for the world than the Romans ever did. But the Romans are deemed to of had a positive effect on the world. An the British empire negative.

Of course Nazi Germany must be ignored/forgotten about.

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Yes, because Hitler was doing so well until he allowed Stalin to talk him into invading Poland. :rolleyes:

Go on, tell us ... are you a Nazi sympathiser?

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Maybe it is because of things like this?

5 of the worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire

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It's all a bit pie in the sky anyway we'll have to wait and see what happens with the next government .What i do know though is that if someone sees a profit in making stuff they will usually do it especially if the government of the day gives the right incentives.

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My faith and trust in politicians has hit an all time low... what a back stabbing bunch we have.

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You had some faith and trust :erm:

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Never trust a politician if you see their lips move.

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Thanks for that. I agree it's going to be hard and it's likely that manufacturing may not exist to the same extent that it did before, but like any long journey or great enterprise it all begins by taking the first step.

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That's perfectly true and highlights what we need to do to restore our manufacturing.

The world has moved on and we may not be able to do things in the same way as we did before but no country has a monopoly on everything which is why we have to trade.

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I think that's why we have to come up with a solution that all voters can live with.

It's no use invoking Article 50 without getting things in place to re-assure people that we have working deals in place. We live in a democracy and so people on both sides of the argument can air their views or march peacefully and lawfully if they wish.

The battles in the street may come if we leave the EU but fail to set up deals elsewhere, but such battles tend to be counter-productive as the case of Syria demonstrates. After all when you destroy the infrastructure and manufacturing base of your own country you are essentially shooting yourself in the foot and destroying your own society.

In making deals we need to let the good things remain and leave the bad things out.

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I think you are right. How the government reacts now will be crucial but be in no doubt that the Brexit will have consequences worldwide and at home.

The old British store has closed down and people are waiting to see what the new one has to offer. We are in the "Opening Soon" period and we are all waiting to see what deals can be made. Hopefully, it's one good enough to keep the UK united as I for one would be sorry if Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales left.

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Andrea Leadsom doesn't seem to know what she wants at the moment ,won't really commit to anything,far too flaky for me .

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Daily Mail says three years ago she said we would be mad to leave the EU. Seems to suggest that she went the Brexit route to heighten her profile within the party and improve her chances of getting the leadership.

Theresa May is looking more and more like the winning candidate each day. I know that she was a Remain supporter but if she genuinely accepts that "out is out" she could be the one to get us the best deal.

Mind you the trouble with politics is that not everything is actually as it seems and you keep expecting some unexpected twist to occur.

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What else can you expect from politicians who speak regularly with forked tongue...

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We would be as free as any other non-EU country. Somehow I doubt trade with the US is that restricted.

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Yes but she does look a bit like Thatcher, so that's the main thing for the Tory faithful.

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For those who are saying the FTSE is bouncing back, here's an interesting observation from Robert Peston:

I find it deeply depressing how few people grasp that value of FTSE100 is mechanistically inflated by collapsing £

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Seeing her on Andrew Marr I doubt she has what it takes to be PM. I think Theresa May will get it and though she thinks she's Thatcher mark II, she will implement A50 immediately. I think she has what it takes though and will carry out the peoples' wishes.

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Must be true cos I wrote my post in answer to a previous one b4 reading this.

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She does say that voters want more than a 'Brexit PM' though when she talked to Andrew Marr this morning so whether she does it immediately remains to be seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36696908

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Not until the process of leaving is completed. The UK remains a member state until either agreement is reached or the 2 years expires, whichever happens first.

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Well her team are already leaning on journalists to suppress unflattering stories.

Taking power from the unaccountable elites and handing it to a woman whose PM campaign threatens the press and who is described as a...

Awesome.

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Everyone has the right to protest. For now.

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Hopefully they'll push the button soon, it's needed to focus everyone s attention on the job at hand rather than bitching about the fact it's happened As a country we do seem to perform best when under pressure.

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The Govetron seems to be wanting 1st quarter of 2017. 2018 or later, or not at all, has the lowest odds but that's likely wishful thinking on the part of those making that bet pushing the odds down.

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The later its left, the more likely it won't happen.

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It will happen if Michael Gove or Theresa May get elected. Both have said so.

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Yes they have said so but the question is when??.

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If the referendum were held today, the result would be different. The lies about immigration and the NHS have been exposed, and the governing party is scrapping with itself over who grasps this opportunity for power. The few Brexiters I know seem to be cacking themselves over what exactly they've done. Although no one will admit it now, another vote down the line is more than likely. Even if we don't end up leaving, this will have caused the country permanent damage.

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It will happen as soon as the leader is chosen within the first few weeks at any rate .There is a democratic mandate in place and Europe simply won't allow us to keep stalling

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All the Brexiters i know are still happy with the decision they made ,as am I.There will be no further vote and we will be leaving the EU ,that is certain .

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All the ones I know are also quite happy with their vote, and would vote no again.

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The many brexiteers that I know are sanguine about what's going on. We knew that there would be a period of uncertainty......and we are in that period. :)

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True. As the impact of the decision unfolds it becomes less likely the leadership will be prepared to jump.

However it'd be political suicide not to push the button, and there's no way our political class have the courage to assert parliamentary sovereignty. I've put some cash on last 3 months of this year at 7/2 with a lower stake but enough to recoup the first one on first 3 months of next year.

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Some leavers are being made to feel guilty by the remainers.
they think someone if not themselves is going to die because they voted leave.

I tell them that nobody is going to die. and that they're going to move all the immigrants to live amongst the remainers to make them and the remainers feel better. and that the rich will carry on getting richer.

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If they do back out it would be via some massive dodge rather than simply not passing it. They'll string out the deal, then say the deal isn't what we hoped or something and throw it to an election or something.

Not that I don't think it will happen.

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I think the danger with that is that given that the Conservatives cannot be relied upon, Labour are unelectable and the other parties are in favour of remaining, the only choice for Brexiteers is to vote for UKIP the only party in favour of actually carrying it out.

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

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Tony Blair voted to Remain, Anjem Choudary voted Remain, that's all I need to know!

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Sadly it does not matter which party it is as none of them can be trusted ntl.

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UKIP couldn't form a government ,in reality their only purpose was to get the UK out of Europe that has been achieved ,nothing left for UKIP

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It's the latest thing "those who voted leave are now regretting it" and like all the other bilge it's a load of rubbish not a single person I knew who voted leave has any regrets and would do the same again if needed. Immigration and money to the NHS were not the two biggest factors for most it was sovereignty and independence of the UK and our ability in the future to determine our own path not have it decided for us and then get informed about it.

Being honest though it was Mr K that said it and you have to take that with a largish handful of salt as he was the only person in the UK who claimed fuel stockpiling was occuring in his neck of the woods. But that's been the tale since the vote a pretty constant barrage of insults, lies and insinuations and I had hoped we'd be past it by now clearly some cannot still accept the vote.

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To be honest with you all. I have heard David Lammy MP several times on TV, stating why be believes that will should remain.

I heard this evening on London News, David again expressing why we should remain. And that he wants Parliament to veto the vote.

And what he said tonight, sent shivers down my Spine. He has stated that money from the EU, goes to poor towns of the UK, and helps in these area's.

Yes, l am a Labour Voter, but if l had known that. I may have said REMAIN.

As to me we should be doing all we can to help the poor.

We DID NOT HEAR about this in the discussions, I didn't hear this from my MP. So really, I blame Labour MPs, for not passing this info onto the Voter.

Yes, we pay a lot of money into the EU. But if the EU help out the poor in this country. Especially, David Lammy, said that the EU helps out the North of England. And poor area's of Wales. Then my vote would change.

I don't think we, the voter, was given the full facts in this vote

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FFS Arthur where have you been the last 30yrs ,it's common knowledge that EU money has helped regenerate the old docklands and steel mills .The NE of England is awash with EU money as is Cornwall, Wales and Scotland ,If this is news to you then i suggest you have your vote taken off you because you just aint responsible enough to use it

and by the way it was widely advertised by the remain campaign ,just in case people like you missed it over the last 30yrs

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I'm happy with my voting out as well I would still vote out given a 2/3/4 chance. problem with some people they don't open their eyes or ears.

The Leave side never said the 350m would be spent on the NHS they said it could be and this has been repeated so many times it is actually getting boring listening too it and reading it. The media is just looking to stir the pot as much as they can as they don't care IN or OUT they'll mix it just to get a story going.

Story - ££ for them

Look at the crap that came out of the remain side, Racist Brexiters, WW3, no trade with America, house prices lose 20% hundreds of thousands of job losses. companies shutting shop and moving to the EU.

That is before we even start with Cameron. you know the prime minister the guy that was securing our place in the EU and getting reform. The same guy that came back with nothing and said if he didn't get what he wanted he would leave the OUT campaign himself.

It was ok him saying he was happy with what he came back with it was not the pledge he said he was going for which was now where near and it wasn't even legally binding just word of mouth.

So when we talk about lies maybe we should start with all this.

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That is the problem though isn't it the EU takes our money and spends it where they like what they think it should be spent on. if people can't see what is happening then I'm glad I voted out

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I posted a while back that although we do get money off the EU a lot of it isn't used where it's needed the most ,it's ok having millions for regeneration as long as average joe can afford the flats built on the docks where he used to work

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This is an example of democracy and will of the people we all feel so strongly about, I've characteristically had another change of heart and would've been annoyed no matter who won given the levels of ignorance almost routinely being displayed by voters of either faction, it's worrying as I think the uk could be the only place on earth where turkeys would vote for Christmas given the chance.

Yes and they should never have made the 350 million claim full stop as it's a lie no matter what they claim it is or isn't going to be spent on

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It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

I'll concede the younger generation won't have that advantage.

Amongst the animal kingdom we have evolved big brains for a reason and it isn't to remember the cast of Coronation Street...

Sometimes I despair.

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Martyh.,
IF, we don't know these things. I am honest enough to admit it.

I was told the other day by a work colleague, who comes from Cornwall. That this is what happens.

I didn't know that. The only thing that was drummed into me over the past couple f months. WE pay millions to the EU, and only get so much back.

Then we are told by MPs about immigration etc etc.

IF, we had been told that by MPs, instead of arguing with each other. Then things would have been different.

If lam wrong, l admit it. I DIDNT KNOW

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There'll be a lot of folks realising ( too late) what the EU funded in the coming years. Farmers are in for the biggest shock, promises of their payments being maintained is another Brexit lie.

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I was talking about farms earlier. I reckon a lot of farms will sell up. sell the land and houses will be built in the countryside to house immigrants and such. so all the country remainers can be happy about Brexit with all their new neighbours.

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The shock of the "leave" result knocked me sideways... I didn't expect that result, even though that was the outcome I wanted! But I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to stand by my original opinion which I posted on CF weeks before the referendum, and that was this...

The only way it could happen is if the EU ceased to exist.

It's not happening.

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You can guarantee what you want, it won't happen.

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We'll just have to wait and see.

Meanwhile...

http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_new...vement_07_2016

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685...rexit-EU-leave

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On the Beeb...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

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Reading stories in the Express and the Mail doesn't make anyone an expert on anything, considering how many times they've been proven wrong... ;)

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And those two papers among some others are very good at promoting or demoting certain views so my advice and that not something one should listen to :dunce::nono: is to find out the true facts about something rather then listen to the great educators of the vast majority of our wonderfully biased media..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

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I think the problem in all of this is that it was extremely difficult for ordinary people to get the real facts and thus they were forced to fall back on the news they gleaned from daily newspapers and the rest of the media.

It was made even worse by the fact that both sides populated their arguments with untruths.

We have moved from Terra Firma where we knew relatively well what was happening to Terra Incognita where we have no idea what the future holds.

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Well I'm happy with my vote and I don't know anyone who regrets voting leave either.

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Oh there is. They and the disgruntled Labour members could form a new Party to take on Labour and the Tories. They won't cease to be just because they have achieved their main goal. Shades of the gang of four here. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

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That is the biggest crock I've heard in a while. Tell him to come to the North East of England and then make that statement. Middlesboro is fast becoming a ghost City, Hartlepool is already there. Easington, Horden and Peterlee (where I Live) are broken down towns with the majority of those in work on 0 hours contracts. Easington may look fine from the main street but just go into the back streets where a lot of the houses are empty and see the broken windows of houses where thieves have stolen the boilers and any copper and lead they can find. Also a lot of these towns and villages have lost their pibs and post offices. He's full of poo. He knows nothing about poor towns or what life is like in these towns. I'm lucky, I went private renting and have a decent home but it's twice the rent of Council houses.

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I doubt that would have made any difference. Seems to me people were not really listening to the lies from either side but voted on conscience, experience, Sovereignty and independence. This claim of a lot regretting their decision I wouldn't go as far to say is a blatant lie but it's over exaggerated.

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Exactly what I've been saying all along here. I'm 62 and voted purely on experience. Though I watched the comedy shows called debates I had a good laugh at both sides believe me. I remember when we weren't in the EU and yes the country was in a mess in the 70s but it wasn't because we weren't in the EU, it was because the Unions were holding the country to ransom. Well I remember the 3 day weeks and had to work them.12 hours on and 12 hours off. Well too I remember the power cuts of 4 hours on and 4 hours off. But the time before this was good. You could walk out of one job on the Friday and into another on the Monday especially in the Building Trade. It isn't selective memory as some may claim it's the truth. The EU came along and put new rules and regulations in place and now you can't pee without wondering if it will infringe some EU law.

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The EU didn't fund anything. It was your money sent to the EU that funded things. This is what you are getting back so you're not losing it.

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Then you'd better prepare for riots in the streets and be prepared to give up your democracy because it will no longer exist. What little we have only exists now because we fight to hold on to it. Democracy as we really knew it went out the window the minute we signed up to the Common Market/EEC/EU.

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Is this new?

We already knew there would need to be an Act of Parliament, it's not been kept a secret

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I don't deny it will take an Act of Parliament as will another Scottish referendum but it will only be a matter of formality. It will pass then we can get on with getting out of this den of vipers to quote a famous man who tried to blow up Parliament in 1605.

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What a load of crap !!!!!

First off, It's Middlesbrough

In which way is it becoming a ghost city?

Multiple high end developments such as Acklam Hall (including the refurbishment of the hall itself and the new houses that have been built, the houses that were built on Church lane The Storey development at Low Lane
The houses at Low Lane for a 4 bed detached start at £244,000 the ones on Church Lane were up starting at £350,000 and Acklam Hall starting at £245,000

Church Lane sold out in two weeks, Acklam hall has perhaps three properties left

c) The Baker Street development, and also thriving micro pubs that are springing up. You have major retailers in the high street such as Debenhams,House of Fraser, and there is a fast growing independent retail scene also

There is a huge amount of regeneration work currently going on in Middlesbrough, including the work currently on going in Grovehill

Not sure how it's a ghost city?

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Couple of developments.

Firstly the Chancellor is planning a corporation tax cut to try and maintain business activity. We'll be rocking the off-shore tax haven vibe.

Stephen Crabb if elected leader would spend £100bn on infrastructure projects to try and stimulate the economy.

Both normal reactions to a slowing economy although the second of the two is surprising from a Conservative and shows I reckon just how centrist some of the modern Conservative Party is.

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Stephen Crabb is the best of the candidates IMO. Other than the alleged homophobia anyway.....

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And what about the MP who said last year that people should just leave the Boro? Let it rot was his remarks if I remember correctly. Sure there's regeneration but who's benefit is it for? Sunderland and Hartlepool. Marinas, Expensive blocks of flats to name but two examples? I don't see any sign of regeneration in Peterlee, Easington, Horden, Easington Lane, Haswell, Shotton, Weatly Hill, South Hetton. These are all towns round me and as I've said have lost everything. Where's the investment in these towns? These regenerations you are talking about only benefit the upper class and rich, not the likes of you and me. Maybe I should have said ghost town as regards the working class or poorer class families. I stand by my statement.

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hen we are trying to negotiate a good deal with the EU I'm not sure lowering Corporation Tax is the right move at this point. Later on, yes it would be great but the EU will see it as the first move in negotiations. The second point I agree with however, £100 million more has also been promised per week to the NHS. Where's the money coming from? I thought we were telling lies when we said the NHS would benefit from leaving the EU financially regardless of the amount quoted?

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Lowering corporation tax is an attempt to ensure businesses stay in the UK to offset recent events alongside our likely leaving the single market. It's not a negotiating position any more than the expected interest rate reduction to zero.

The EU won't be bothered by our corporation tax rate especially. They were bothered by Ireland's as it's within the Eurozone and EEA, while the likeliest course of events for right now seems to be that we won't be in the EEA due to opposition to freedom of movement.

If anything it'll be seen as the start of leaving rather than any negotiation. Beginning a divergence from the EU.

Where the money for Crabb's investment is coming from is in the article - borrowing.

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Given that many MPs were against Brexit, the passing of legislation to implement Brexit may be harder than first thought.

We were led to believe that Cameron could simply activate it verbally or in writing when he was PM but some are working to ensure that it will be not as easy as that.

I'm just grateful that we are not under a major attack from terrorists because given the time taken to move Brexit things on such an occurrence would be an even greater cause for concern than usual.

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The upper class or rich in Middlesbrough.... So are these people already here? Or are they moving in from out of the area, regardless it's money being pumped into the local economy.

There are major developments in Easington, Peterlee and Wheatley Hill also which means money will be spent on the economy,

Look at the expenditure on Stockton High Street for example, again improvement for people in all walks of life. Sunderland, the money spent on the sea front

Middlesbrough is not without it's faults, however to class as a ghost town for the working class and poor simply isn't true.

How would you, regenerate the areas?

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Yes, I've seen it.

The law is the law. Given how divisive all this has been the last thing we need is the button to be pushed with the resulting fallout, then for us to be told it wasn't actually legal and it all gets dredged up again.

If this case prevents that from happening I'm fine with it.

We are where we are and I'm sure most have had quite enough of the accusations, anger, gloating, immodesty and all the rest of the bad sides of our characters that this has exposed.

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What you don't think the EU will bring theirs down as it will likely attract investment in the UK? Surely the logical step would be for them to do likewise?

Theresa May will try and keep us in the single market even if it means freedom of movement. Hope she won't get in. this was said on breakfast this morning.

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There are employers here yes but they take on staff through agencies on 0 hours contracts. My 2 lads were on this and didn't get a contract for aver a year, well one of them so some do get jobs. As to regenerating these areas you have to entice firms into the area and they ain't gonna come to these areas unless there is an incentive to do so which means better infrastructure and rail and roads. Yes we have the A1, A1(M) and A19 but these all need seriously upgraded specially the A1 and A19 to make it easier for transport to get here. We need to build more new affordable housing for renting or buying or regenerate the older ones for families to live in and we need jobs for them to go to like engineering, manufacturing and encourage small business to take off.

There is a train now runs from Sunderland to London instead of having to go to Newcastle but they are few and far between. These lines need upgraded, never mind HS2. They already have connecting lines to other main cities whereas we do not unless you go to Newcastle.

Only in this way will industry and other business be attracted to this area. I take it you're from the Boro so you'll know what I'm talking about.

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Parliament made the mistake by not stipulating that the result had to have a certain percentage before it could be legal say 55%-45% or even 60%-40%. They didn't so majority rules. I believe they did it in 79 when Scotland wanted an assembly then and it failed though more were in favour than against. Some Labour MP said it had to be 2/3 or something but they fell short. Get used to it we will be out one way or another. I think there is some act from 72 that they could use too would have to research it.

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The whole thing has been a shambles and a bitter, divisive one at that given the way in which views were expressed.

If we had compulsory voting and an option on voting forms giving voters the option not to vote for any of the listed candidates or options we would probably have a clearer idea where everybody stood and perhaps the resulting percentages would give us a clearer idea of what the majority national view was.

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Are you saying there are none in the Boro? There must be.