Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868669)

I am worried what happens with NATO. Europe needs to step up now as Trump is ambivalent if not outright hostile to the organisation which really has helped keep the peace in Europe.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868688)

The Left are going to have an absolute meltdown.:D

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35868690)

Protests have already started.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868693)

In terms of votes, Trump is around 500,000 ahead so far.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868694)

Let's wait and see what happens when California comes in. I think he looks to lose the popular vote but it doesn't matter anyway. This is their system and both parties know it.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35868697)

Which could raise another issue:



U.S.News link

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868699)

California has already been called for Clinton. He won't win the popular vote there.

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Dear god. Is Trump going to have an audience with the Queen on his state visit?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35868705)

Visiting heads of state always meet the queen when on state visits. That's kind of the point.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868669)

Congrats to Mick first off.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35868710)

So, it's now 6.20am on the east coast and America is starting to wake up. The next few hours of vox pops are going to be interesting.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868713)

Mick: 1
Sneering know-it-alls: 0

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868713)

Mick: 1
Sneering know-it-alls: 0

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868714)

Classy as always Kursk.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35868718)

Congratulations on Mick for his spot on prediction but for you.:upyours:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868719)

Oh come on, he's been berated for weeks. You got it wrong, again; have the magnanimity to admit it.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868719)

Oh come on, he's been berated for weeks. You got it wrong, again; have the magnanimity to admit it.

Thank goodness Mick is an admin and can speak his mind with impunity.



No personal attacks please. If you can't stand the heat (and we all know you can't) stay out of the kitchen.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868722)

And yes people get elections wrong.

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35868723)

I also called a Trump win if you remember a long time ago. Honestly, I thought over the last week that he had lost the election though. I told a manager at work that there was no way America would vote for a female president and I was right.

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35868728)

Careful, you'll get a reputation as a swivel-eyed loony conspiracy theorist with racist tendencies and a low level of education. You are right though :)

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868730)

Isn't that a description that applies to the States that voted for Clinton?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868730)

Isn't that a description that applies to the States that voted for Clinton?

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35868754)

He's all pre-election talk I wouldn't worry about it

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35868771)

Talking of Obama. Does this mean he's gone down as the worst President?

https://youtu.be/XvgnOqcCYCM

Out the horses mouth :confused:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35868764)

Similar things were being said about Reagan when he was first elected:



Source

Didn't come to pass then either. Any plans he has have to be ratified by Congress and the Senate. They tend to have a moderating effect as Obama found out.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35868710)

Ah. Are you worried he might try to ... Er ... grab her majesty? :erm:[COLOR="Silver"]

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868735)

Have to hand it to Mick, he obviously knows the US very well. Don't think I realised how much Clinton was hated. If only Sanders had got the ticket then who knows ?

As for the outcome, God help us, and i don't even believe in God, but he's worth a shot !

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35868764)

Similar things were being said about Reagan when he was first elected:



Source

Didn't come to pass then either. Any plans he has have to be ratified by Congress and the Senate. They tend to have a moderating effect as Obama found out.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35868816)

This is just a though and not what I wish or hope.

He's dropping Obamacare within an hour of entering office, so if any Republicans suffer from no health care to thing tough poop.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)

Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016. Got heated at times but that's what makes it interesting when people support the opposing side of the campaigns.

I stuck to my judgement that Trump would win the Presidency and I stuck to my view despite it being the minority view.



I don't think you understand what Obamacare is, I did post a reply to what it was pages back. He wants to repeal it and replace it with cheaper health care, nothing wrong with that policy as it has got very expensive since it's inception. I don't think you would like it if you suddenly had to find £800 extra a month, this is what many Americans are having to contend with at the moment as they receive their new bills for $900+ extra on top of what they paid before.



Gun free zone? There is no such thing. The 2nd Amendment has existed and majority of the American people cherish it. He is Pro NRA supporter, so he will not be changing anything in regards to it. Hillary wanted to bring in controls to it and ban certain guns, like automatic rifles and rapid fire guns. I actually agreed with Clintons stance, nobody needs to own a stockpile of ammunition or require guns that would do a small Army.



Abortion issue he had was that he disagreed with women having abortions right up to the moment the baby was born except if there was a risk to the mother. He is not completely against ALL Abortions, despite changing his stance 3 times on the issue. He was saying in a tv interview that he felt women should be punished for having abortions, but has gone back on that and appears to support a 20 week limit. Over here there is the 24 week limit and then abortion is no longer a legal option unless there is a health risk to the mother.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)

Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016. Got heated at times but that's what makes it interesting when people support the opposing side of the campaigns.

I stuck to my judgement that Trump would win the Presidency and I stuck to my view despite it being the minority view.



I don't think you understand what Obamacare is, I did post a reply to what it was pages back. He wants to repeal it and replace it with cheaper health care, nothing wrong with that policy as it has got very expensive since it's inception. I don't think you would like it if you suddenly had to find £800 extra a month, this is what many Americans are having to contend with at the moment as they receive their new bills for $900+ extra on top of what they paid before.



Gun free zone? There is no such thing. The 2nd Amendment has existed and majority of the American people cherish it. He is Pro NRA supporter, so he will not be changing anything in regards to it. Hillary wanted to bring in controls to it and ban certain guns, like automatic rifles and rapid fire guns. I actually agreed with Clintons stance, nobody needs to own a stockpile of ammunition or require guns that would do a small Army.



Abortion issue he had was that he disagreed with women having abortions right up to the moment the baby was born except if there was a risk to the mother. He is not completely against ALL Abortions, despite changing his stance 3 times on the issue. He was saying in a tv interview that he felt women should be punished for having abortions, but has gone back on that and appears to support a 20 week limit. Over here there is the 24 week limit and then abortion is no longer a legal option unless there is a health risk to the mother.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)

Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)

Gun free zone? There is no such thing.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35868861)

I said and knew he'd win also, there is a world wide movement of ordinary people that have seen the standard of living drop consistently since the start of the millenia whilst the people at the top get richer at their expense, any flavour of politician elected has only maintained the status quo so it shouldn't come as a surprise that the people turn to someone else.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868867)

One aspect to remember about this rebellion of the people thing is that it's clearly a split. Brexit was close whilst Clinton actually won more votes. This is division within nations between their people. As for it being about the rich, Trump still won that demographic it's just he also cut into the democrats appeal to lower income voters as well.



Le Pen in France is what I imagine everyone is watching now. Juppé is well ahead in polling. It couldn't possibly happen....could it?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35868871)

A vote for clinton was a vote for more of the same, trump might be loaded but no one could say he's part of the establishment

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35868871)

A vote for clinton was a vote for more of the same, trump might be loaded but no one could say he's part of the establishment

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868874)

Not as much as Clinton certainly but he is loaded, always on the outskirts of politics by donating to them, endorsing them, inviting the Clinton's to his wedding and attending the White House Correspondent Dinners etc. I would classify someone who is very wealthy, well connected and has many TV shows as part of the establishment too. I think we overuse that word anyway.

Still it my point is more is to reflect how divided the vote was yesterday. Like Brexit we say it's the people vs the establishment but it appears to only be half of them and then another half who want something else. It's the people vs the people.

Originally Posted by Mick

The voting system in America is laughable, it really is. Maybe when Trump says the system is rigged, it appears to really be the case.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868867)

Brexit was close whilst Clinton actually won more votes.

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 35868897)

It was rigged as always!!

She had the most pop votes but he won.............. Totally disgusting.....

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35868900)

A 100,000 or so last I saw, which out of a voting total of around 135million is not really a margin at all. I'd call it a tie.

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Yeah just as bad as UKIP getting around the same number of votes as the SNP, they get 20 odd seats and UKIP gets 1.

The system is the system, no good complaining about it.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868902)

Seems to be plenty of demonstrations going on against Trump from (presumably) Clinton supporters who only a few days ago where all saying that Trump should accept the result as democracy at work instead of refusing to accept it

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868867)

Le Pen in France is what I imagine everyone is watching now. Juppé is well ahead in polling. It couldn't possibly happen....could it?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35868900)

A 100,000 or so last I saw, which out of a voting total of around 135million is not really a margin at all. I'd call it a tie.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868902)

Seems to be plenty of demonstrations going on against Trump from (presumably) Clinton supporters who only a few days ago where all saying that Trump should accept the result as democracy at work instead of refusing to accept it

Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35868919)

Seen this mob on tv this morning.Social justice warriors also known as rent-a- mob.Same mob that were on the streets protesting at the police shootings,at climate change demos,g8 meetings etc.we have the same morons here.God help the future generations if these clowns were to run the show.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868930)

Yeah protests are fine. That is also part of democracy. It would be different if Clinton or senior Democrats refused to accept the result but they're not. Clinton conceded quickly, give a gracious speech, Obama invited him to the White House as per tradition and both give statements about unifying behind the next President.

I mean some of the protesters are saying 'not my President' but that isn't a thing. He will be. However they can protest and work to defeat him at a local level, at the mid-terms in two years and try and make him a one-term President.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868930)

Yeah protests are fine. That is also part of democracy. It would be different if Clinton or senior Democrats refused to accept the result but they're not. Clinton conceded quickly, give a gracious speech, Obama invited him to the White House as per tradition and both give statements about unifying behind the next President.

They can protest and work to defeat him at a local level, at the mid-terms in two years and try and make him a one-term President. Some protesters can say 'not my President' but I imagine the inauguration will go ahead anyway.....

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868930)

Yeah protests are fine. That is also part of democracy. It would be different if Clinton or senior Democrats refused to accept the result but they're not. Clinton conceded quickly, give a gracious speech, Obama invited him to the White House as per tradition and both give statements about unifying behind the next President.

They can protest and work to defeat him at a local level, at the mid-terms in two years and try and make him a one-term President. Some protesters can say 'not my President' but I imagine the inauguration will go ahead anyway.....

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35868946)

Anyway, lets see how many of those who shouted out how they'd leave the US if Trump was elected will actually do so.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35868956)

And there's the disconnect. He has to mean what he says as that is what got him elected no?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35868946)

Wow, it all happens while I'm away... :)

I think the same thing happened there as in the UK with the mainstream media and pundits not really believing that there's as much frustration and anger outside of their cosseted little world as there evidently is. I don't think they really listen to people but tend to write off those who dare to have a different view on life as a mad, prejudiced, minority who don't matter. As a result of this delusional behaviour there's now a phenomenon known as GBBE - Gordon Brown Bigot Effect - and we've seen it in action with UKIP/Brexit and now we're seeing it in action again in the US. This is what happens when growing swathes of the electorate turn away from those who either disregard their views or cynically promise what they know they have no intention of delivering, backed up by the plethora of vastly rich holier than thou 'celebrities' who've done rather well out of the status quo.

Anyway, lets see how many of those who shouted out how they'd leave the US if Trump was elected will actually do so. I wonder if they'll outnumber their high profile UK 'Remainer' counterparts who're so ashamed and are no doubt heading off to live in the politically stable and moderate EU Utopia in droves as I write... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35868967)

Same luvvies who said they would take in "refugees" to their notting hill mansions.how's that pledge going?

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868965)

I honestly think it was inspite of his policies/gaffs he got elected. The main attraction being that he isn't Hilary or part of the Washington establishment. One Republican last night looked quite embarrased when questioned about some of the policies. He said the wall was probably a 'metaphorical' wall, not a real one ! Be hilarious if he really does mean it, 2000 miles long with machine gun towers and maybe a luxury hotel built in :D It'll make the Berlin wall look pathetic.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35868975)

Another tele venture for her.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868982)

Rumour is she is taking over the Apprentice......

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868984)

While some of Trump's suggested answers may seem extreme, he did at least show that he was concerned about the underlying issues and was prepared to address them. Voters may not believe he will carry out the things literally, but he will do something and not just ignore it.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35868984)

While some of Trump's suggested answers may seem extreme, he did at least show that he was concerned about the underlying issues and was prepared to address them. Voters may not believe he will carry out the things literally, but he will do something and not just ignore it.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868992)

If he does. He has a Republican congress so no excuses if he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35868993)

Were they aspirations, rather than promises? ;)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35869002)

I just love the way the media is exaggerating all the trouble going on over in the US. All this fuss about the reaction to Trump's victory and we have a relatively few thousands on the march amongst a population of 325,000,000 or so? Big deal! When we start talking millions out on the streets they may have a point but right now the profits of doom seem to have got it wrong again but it's not for the want of trying to find trouble to fill the pages and airtime with.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35869006)

I also found it staggering how suddenly now that Trump wins the Electoral College Vote, but not the popular vote, there is something suddenly wrong with the whole democratic process in the US. Seen lots and and lots of typical BS regarding this, being spouted on Facebook by those in America who voted for Hillary.

I doubt they would have said the same thing if Hillary won via ECV and Donald won the popular vote.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35869002)

Likewise, despite our country having quite clearly become a truly hateful and xenophobic place to be, I'm still awaiting the mass exodus of petrified EU migrants and self righteous attention seeking hypocrites to start in the UK. Odd that eh? :shrug:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35869019)

Even Trump knew about the Electoral College vote and he was right. Nevertheless American politics is what it is and he won via that system. Perhaps he now has the balls to change it?

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35869019)

Even Trump knew about the Electoral College vote and he was right. Nevertheless American politics is what it is and he won via that system. Perhaps he now has the balls to change it?

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35869024)

It seems that the racist violence is kicking off :(
‘Die Whites Die’: Anti-Trump Rioters Vandalize NOLA Monuments
‘You Voted Trump!’ Man Viciously Beaten in Chicago After Election
......but not the way that the libtard press has been predicting :dozey:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35869021)

It isn't that different in this country with the election of MPs. If you're in a constituency where you party is third, your vote is effectively meaningless/wasted. We had a chance to change it in the PR referendum early in the coalition Govt., however the 2 big parties clubbed together to convince us that each persons vote being equal was a terrible idea.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35869023)

I can see, and l have said before. He will get double secret service with him. And he wont be able to do 'walkabouts' like Obama did.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35869027)

There are asshats across the political spectrum - they are all morons..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7410166.html

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35869035)

However there is news that, he may be called to Testify at a Trump University Fraud Trial.