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Osem 27-02-2017 11:00
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I love the way Corbyn grudgingly accepts some 'responsibility' for the Copeland failure. I'm wondering in what way he's actually done that however. His concept of carrying the can seems to be staying in office. I wonder how many times over the years he's called for opponents to resign over far less?

Osem 03-03-2017 22:51
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I wonder if Comrade Corbyn will accept any 'responsibility' for this...

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Labour has lost nearly 26,000 members since last summer, according to leaked data.

The apparent shedding of card-carrying supporters has led one former chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) to warn the "tide is turning".

More than three-quarters of those to leave the party last year had joined after the 2015 general election, a period that saw membership grow rapidly under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.

Figures seen by The Times showed the number of resignations in 2016 was more than the previous six years combined, while more than 15,465 have left since mid-December.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-summer-amid/

Osem 20-03-2017 18:57
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Labour's deputy leader says left-wing supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are involved in a plot which could destroy the party as an electoral force.
Tom Watson was reacting to claims that the grassroots Momentum group - which helped make Mr Corbyn leader - is hoping to get financial support from Britain's largest trade union, Unite.
Momentum's Jon Lansman was reportedly taped saying that if Len McCluskey was re-elected as Unite general secretary, the union would affiliate to his group rather than just to Labour.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325559

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In the recordings, which were revealed by The Observer newspaper, Mr Lansman says: "Assuming that Len McCluskey wins the general secretaryship, which I think he will, Unite will affiliate to Momentum and will fully participate in Momentum, as will the CWU."
He went on to tell activists it was "absolutely crucial" that they secured a change to the party's rules to ensure that whenever Mr Corbyn stands down, they are able to get a candidate on to the ballot paper to succeed him.

Osem 05-04-2017 12:39
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Meanwhile Corbyn's cronies have their work cut out co-existing let alone being in any sense a credible opposition to HMG.

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Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson says he finds it "incomprehensible" that Ken Livingstone was not expelled from the party over comments about Hitler.
He said the ex-London mayor's behaviour "discredits the party I love".
Mr Livingstone was suspended by Labour for two years on Tuesday for comments he made about Adolf Hitler and Zionism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39499640

It reminds me of way back when the Tories had descended into sleaze and in-fighting with the result that they were out of office for 13 years while Bliar and Brown were virtually unchallenged by them. I can't recall the last serious interview I saw with the so called 'Leader of the Opposition' (an oxymoron in every sense). He much prefers chatting to roomfulls of activists who like what he has to say than expose himself to serious questioning. Corbyn's doing for Labour what Sam Allardyce did for England and Arthur Scargill did for the unions.

TheDaddy 20-02-2019 20:52
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Seeing as the other Corbyn hate thread has been shut, thought I'd point out Derek Hatton was readmitted to the party 2 days ago 30 years after being booted out, he's just been suspended for making anti Israel comments...

heero_yuy 29-03-2019 09:32
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First Labour anti-semite arrests:

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Quote from the Sun:


A former Labour council candidate is among three people nicked by cops probing anti-Semitism claims.

They are thought to be the first arrests linked to the storm engulfing Jeremy Corbyn’s party.

Roy Smart and two other former Labour members were quizzed over claims they published or produced race hate material.

Last year it was reported Smart shared a Facebook post asking *people to “question the Holocaust”.

Smart, 50, was selected to stand in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, for last year’s local elections but was axed as a candidate following anti-Semitism allegations.

1andrew1 28-05-2019 12:32
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Equality watchdog launches Labour anti-Semitism probe
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The Equality and Human Rights Commission has launched a formal investigation into the Labour Party over allegations of anti-Semitism.
The watchdog told the party in March it had received a number of complaints and was considering its next steps.
It will now formally look into whether Labour has "unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish".
The party said it would co-operate fully with the investigation.
But its spokesman said Labour "rejects any suggestion that the party does not handle ant-Semitism complaints fairly and robustly, or that the party has acted unlawfully".
The party has been plagued by accusations of anti-Semitism since mid-2016.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48433964

denphone 28-05-2019 12:37
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Good as anti-Semitism or any sort of prejudice has no part to play in any political party and normal society and should be rooted out.

Mr K 28-05-2019 15:19
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996756)
Good as anti-Semitism or any sort of prejudice has no part to play in any political party and normal society and should be rooted out.
Absolutely, as long as all prejudice is rooted out, no matter who it is against or where it has come from.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48434202
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The Muslim Council of Britain has formally asked the UK's human rights watchdog to investigate accusations of Islamophobia in the Conservative Party.

In a letter to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, the MCB said a problem "runs deep into the party".

The EHRC said in response that it was considering complaints about the party in line with its "usual processes".

In March, party deputy chairman James Cleverly insisted "immediate action" was taken after any racism claims.

The MCB is an umbrella organisation of various UK Muslim bodies, including mosques, schools, and charitable associations. It has called repeatedly for an independent investigation into discrimination claims.

Now, in its letter filing a formal complaint to the EHRC, it accused the Conservatives of not taking action against Islamophobia shown by Tory MPs, and tolerating discrimination towards party members.

The MCB said there was "sufficient evidence" to suggest the party may have breached anti-discrimination law, and accused it of showing a "callous attitude to complaints".

denphone 28-05-2019 15:27
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996771)
Absolutely, as long as all prejudice is rooted out, no matter who it is against or where it has come from.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48434202
Exactly as its not just in one party but in many sadly and prejudice also goes right across all groups and classes in society.

Chris 28-05-2019 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996771)
Absolutely, as long as all prejudice is rooted out, no matter who it is against or where it has come from.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48434202
Quite right, although there’s something suspiciously squirrel about the timing of this complaint.

Pierre 28-05-2019 19:51
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996771)
Absolutely, as long as all prejudice is rooted out, no matter who it is against or where it has come from.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48434202
Excellent use of “whataboutism”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Carry on.

Mr K 28-05-2019 20:13
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35996858)
Excellent use of “whataboutism”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Carry on.
Excellent use of one-eyedness, carry on.....
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...n/one-eyedness

Damien 28-05-2019 20:19
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35996808)
Quite right, although there’s something suspiciously squirrel about the timing of this complaint.
I believe the EHRC had already received referrals about Islamophobia in the Tory Party anyway.

Pierre 28-05-2019 20:21
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996863)
Excellent use of one-eyedness, carry on.....
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...n/one-eyedness
You’re not very good at this.

Mr K 28-05-2019 20:35
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35996871)
You’re not very good at this.
Better than you though.

Still don't see what objection you have to all prejudice being challenged, and not just the one that suits you?

Pierre 28-05-2019 20:45
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996874)
Better than you though.

Still don't see what objection you have to all prejudice being challenged, and not just the one that suits you?
Debatable.

I have no objection, prejudice should be challenged.

But this thread is about Corbyn and the Labour/momentum party’s anti-Semitic issues, but instead of engaging in that you instantly whip up a bought of whataboutism to deflect away from the issue.

I’m all for debating any anti-Islamic issues the Tory party may have, but if you want a proper debate, start a new a thread and let’s get down to it, and not use this one to deflect away from the issues that Labour/ momentum have.

Mr K 28-05-2019 20:56
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35996877)
Debatable.

I have no objection, prejudice should be challenged.

But this thread is about Corbyn and the Labour/momentum party’s anti-Semitic issues, but instead of engaging in that you instantly whip up a bought of whataboutism to deflect away from the issue.

I’m all for debating any anti-Islamic issues the Tory party may have, but if you want a proper debate, start a new a thread and let’s get down to it, and not use this one to deflect away from the issues that Labour/ momentum have.
The issue was a new item today on the BBC website. Didn't realise it was a Corbyn bashing thread only, but guess it is CF after all !

Seems reasonable to point out similar prejudice elsewhere whilst acknowledging the issues Labour have which I did in my post earlier today.

Mick 28-05-2019 21:48
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996874)
Better than you though.
Have I walked in to the school playground on here tonight?

This is seriously infantile, "I am better than you." - "No, I am better than you!"

May I take this opportunity to remind ALL members that the Member Holidays system is still active and they will be issued if this approach to discussions continues.

Pierre 28-05-2019 21:54
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996878)
The issue was a new item today on the BBC website. Didn't realise it was a Corbyn bashing thread only, but guess it is CF after all !
Clue really is in the title. Non?

Not Corbyn bashing, but discussing Corbyn iteration of the Labour Party.


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Seems reasonable to point out similar prejudice elsewhere whilst acknowledging the issues Labour have which I did in my post earlier today.
If you have a passionate point of view of the anti - Muslim tories, start a new thread, so things don’t get confused.

TheDaddy 28-05-2019 22:12
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Odd isn't it, Ally Campbell can be booted out in 24hrs for the crime of voting liberal but the Jew haters seemingly can't be booted after what is now many months of waiting

denphone 29-05-2019 05:37
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35996892)
Odd isn't it, Ally Campbell can be booted out in 24hrs for the crime of voting liberal but the Jew haters seemingly can't be booted after what is now many months of waiting
Indeed as like all voters Alastair Campbell lives in a democracy and has the free right to vote for whoever he wants to as to be booted out for that is a utter disgrace in my book while anti-Semitism in the Labour party has become endemic and widespread with those who have committed anti-Semitism seemingly still free within the party to preach such terrible prejudice.

Chris 29-05-2019 09:12
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996907)
Indeed as like all voters Alastair Campbell lives in a democracy and has the free right to vote for whoever he wants to as to be booted out for that is a utter disgrace in my book while anti-Semitism in the Labour party has become endemic and widespread with those who have committed anti-Semitism seemingly still free within the party to preach such terrible prejudice.
It’s not so much the voting (which is secret) but the public supporting of a rival party that has upset them. To be fair, if you’re a member of any organisation you’re generally expected to support its aims and certainly not act directly against them. Although in this case I’m sure it’s no coincidence that Campbell is intimately connected with the New Labour project which the Corbynistas now in charge of the party hate almost as much as they hate everyone else who isn’t a Corbynista.

Mr K 29-05-2019 09:19
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35996915)
It’s not so much the voting (which is secret) but the public supporting of a rival party that has upset them. To be fair, if you’re a member of any organisation you’re generally expected to support its aims and certainly not act directly against them. Although in this case I’m sure it’s no coincidence that Campbell is intimately connected with the New Labour project which the Corbynistas now in charge of the party hate almost as much as they hate everyone else who isn’t a Corbynista.
Mmm, which maybe also explains why Lord Heseltine (aka 'Tarzan') has had the Conservative whip withdrawn. Too moderate, business focussed and sensible for the Conservatives these days ....

Chris 29-05-2019 09:26
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996917)
Mmm, which maybe also explains why Lord Heseltine (aka 'Tarzan') has had the Conservative whip withdrawn. Too moderate, business focussed and sensible for the Conservatives these days ....
Withdrawing the whip and expulsion from the party aren’t quite the same thing ... whip withdrawal is a kind of indefinite suspension. In any case, it’s being pointed out this morning that Charles Falconer has also admitted to voting Lib Dem in the past, yet without getting a sound kicking from Corbyn’s Sturmabteilung.

Damien 29-05-2019 09:29
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Also Andrew Fisher, a Corbyn aid, was a member at a time he advocated voting Green over Labour before an election. He got a suspension but was not kicked out right away and indeed came back.

Mr K 29-05-2019 09:42
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If I were any of these expelled, whip withdrawn, Labour/Tory politicians, I would take my bat and ball and go to the Lib Dems. After all they are a bigger party according to the EU election results.

denphone 29-05-2019 09:43
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996924)
If I were any of these expelled, whip withdrawn, Labour/Tory politicians, I would take my bat and ball and go to the Lib Dems. After all they are a bigger party according to the EU election results.
Things are never as simple as that as you well know Mr K.

pip08456 29-05-2019 09:45
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996924)
If I were any of these expelled, whip withdrawn, Labour/Tory politicians, I would take my bat and ball and go to the Lib Dems. After all they are a bigger party according to the EU election results.
Really? Did they get a larger slice of the vote than the Brexit Party or are you just making things up again?

Mr K 29-05-2019 09:56
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35996927)
Really? Did they get a larger slice of the vote than the Brexit Party or are you just making things up again?
Bigger than either the Tories or Labour.....

The Brexit party will be like UKIP, gone tomorrow...

tweetiepooh 29-05-2019 10:15
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Brexit is a single issue party so when we have Brexit they will likely go and the support go back to the Tory/Labour parties. It's up to those two groups of children to play nice else that support may not return.

OLD BOY 29-05-2019 14:26
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35996892)
Odd isn't it, Ally Campbell can be booted out in 24hrs for the crime of voting liberal but the Jew haters seemingly can't be booted after what is now many months of waiting
Not really strange. It simply shows that Labour is doing the absolute minimum in an effort to have people believe that it is doing something about anti-Semitism.

Chris 29-05-2019 18:47
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996924)
If I were any of these expelled, whip withdrawn, Labour/Tory politicians, I would take my bat and ball and go to the Lib Dems. After all they are a bigger party according to the EU election results.
And the Brexit party are even bigger according to those results. Joining the Brexit party also has the advantage of it being the recipient of a lot of natural working class Labour votes, so they’ll be in good company. ;)

Hugh 29-05-2019 21:30
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No one can join the Brexit Party (become a member with a vote on policies or elect/select officers or MPs/MEPs), they can only register to be "supporters".

Different structure from other British political parties.

heero_yuy 31-05-2019 13:52
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Quote from Sky News:


Labour executive member Pete Willsman has been suspended from the party after he was caught on camera blaming the party's anti-Semitism crisis on the Israeli embassy.

In a leaked recording obtained by LBC Radio, Mr Willsman said the storm in the party was "all lies" and claimed party staffers were "linked" to the Israeli embassy.
Another one bites the dust.

1andrew1 31-05-2019 14:43
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35997353)
Another one bites the dust.
So, suspended if you do that but expelled if you admit to voting for another party. The Labour Party have had plenty of time to improve their governance but have failed to do so.

TheDaddy 31-05-2019 18:13
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35997353)
Another one bites the dust.
Not the first time he's said this crap either or been caught doing it, iirc he's already been suspended for this

heero_yuy 07-06-2019 14:16
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Quote from The Sun:


Top Labour MPs today slammed their latest addition to the Commons over controversial comments she liked about "Zionism Masters".

Lisa Forbes faced a hostile reception from her new colleagues in Parliament who warn the party is turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism.

She won the seat of Peterborough last night by just 600 votes - putting Nigel Farage's Brexit Party into second place.

But Birmingham MP Jess Phillips said this morning: "The reality is I cannot be gleeful or proud as I'd want to be because of how it shows that antisemitism is becoming normal in the party.

"Lisa ignored and endorsed anti-Semitic things, I'll take her explanation and apology at face value & look forward to her proving as others have that actions not excuses alone can heal.
Didn't take long for that victory to turn sour.

denphone 10-07-2019 17:05
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Top Labour figures 'interfered' in anti-Semitism disputes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48929244

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Senior Labour figures have interfered in the disciplinary process of dealing with accusations of anti-Semitism, ex-party officials have told the BBC's Panorama.

Damien 10-07-2019 20:24
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Watch as nothing happens. It's depressing. Unless Panorama have something so impossible to dismiss and ignore then they'll just attack the BBC and blame everyone else.

denphone 10-07-2019 20:31
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002108)
Watch as nothing happens. It's depressing. Unless Panorama have something so impossible to dismiss and ignore then they'll just attack the BBC and blame everyone else.
They just seem to pay lip service to it all.:rolleyes:

Chris 11-07-2019 00:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002108)
Watch as nothing happens. It's depressing. Unless Panorama have something so impossible to dismiss and ignore then they'll just attack the BBC and blame everyone else.
They’ll do that anyway. Labour’s inaction here is beyond parody. I hope Ed Miliband is feeling suitably chastised; it was his membership rule changes that allowed the hard-left entryist nutcases into the party. They’re the ones who elected Corbyn, they’re the ones attempting to deselect moderate centre left sitting MPs in favour of Momentum fanatics and they’re the ones that think the world is subject to a massive Zionist conspiracy for which all Jews are supposedly somehow culpable.

Damien 11-07-2019 08:34
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36002128)
They’ll do that anyway. Labour’s inaction here is beyond parody. I hope Ed Miliband is feeling suitably chastised; it was his membership rule changes that allowed the hard-left entryist nutcases into the party. They’re the ones who elected Corbyn, they’re the ones attempting to deselect moderate centre left sitting MPs in favour of Momentum fanatics and they’re the ones that think the world is subject to a massive Zionist conspiracy for which all Jews are supposedly somehow culpable.
Yeah, I know but I would have at least liked them to be made to squirm a bit harder. For it to at least cause some conflict within themselves. The outright anti-semites like Williamson will never, ever, change but I think there is another group who might at least a pause.

I think the documentary nailed why this does happen - they think they're 'anti-racists' so cannot be racist. As if racist is a binary thing which you either are or are not. :rolleyes:

I don't think they had any smoking-gun unfourtly. The testimony from former staffers were damning but Corbyn's outriders have already decided everyone is lying so it won't convince them. Unless there is a video of one of the senior people outright saying they hate Jews then nothing will ever be proof enough.

ianch99 11-07-2019 10:43
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What I don't get is why after all this, no one seems to be challenging Corbyn or talking about challenging Corbyn. They risk being sidelined by the resurgent centre parties at the next GE if they do not address this and other issues.

There is even a chance of Corbyn himself being ousted from his Islington seat :)

Damien 11-07-2019 10:52
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002150)
What I don't get is why after all this, no one seems to be challenging Corbyn or talking about challenging Corbyn. They risk being sidelined by the resurgent centre parties at the next GE if they do not address this and other issues.

There is even a chance of Corbyn himself being ousted from his Islington seat :)
Because the membership is fully behind him.

Hugh 11-07-2019 11:33
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002152)
Because the membership is fully behind him.
Interesting article on the membership numbers from earlier this year.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...ership-figures
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That looks like you could stop making monthly payments after the first one, and Labour would not start chasing you until the end of a full year of membership. And that then, they would give you another six months to pay up before striking you off the list of members.

So if you tried to leave Labour one month into your “membership year” by cancelling your monthly Direct Debits, could you still be considered a member for up to 18 months? Sources with detailed knowledge of Labour party processes told FactCheck that this was indeed the case.

And it appears to be the understanding among party officials. A leaked “weekly internal update” from January 2018 quoted a Labour staffer: “The number of lapsers in the period is high as a result of a spike in joiners around 18 months ago.” The suggestion here is that the party assumes that it takes a year-and-a-half for some members to come off the books after they stop paying.

ianch99 11-07-2019 12:34
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002152)
Because the membership is fully behind him.
Fully? Not convinced.

The membership, for example, was polled at 88% in favour of Remain whereas Corbyn, as a lifelong Eurosceptic, is still, even now, kicking this can down the road.

heero_yuy 11-07-2019 13:11
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Quote from Leo McKinstry (The Sun):Jeremy Corbyn spent most of his long Parliamentary career on the wilderness of the back benches, railing at betrayals by his party’s leadership.

But now, as leader himself, he has committed the ultimate act of treachery. After months of dithering, he has finally come out for Remain.

From now on, Labour is to be an unashamedly pro-EU movement, dedicated to overturning the 2016 referendum result. Once the voice of the oppressed working class, Labour is now to be the mouthpiece of the Europhile political class.

Yesterday, having succumbed to relentless pressure from his anti-Brexit MPs, Corbyn announced that Labour will campaign to stay in the European Union and vote against any deal negotiated by the next Conservative Prime Minister.

It is a historic decision, one that graphically shows how Labour has lost both its political compass and its moral authority.
Looks like a gift to the Brexit party especially in constituancies where there was a large majority voting leave.

heero_yuy 18-07-2019 10:45
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Quote from Huffington Post:Labour has sacked shadow Brexit minister Dianne Hayter after she compared Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership to “the last days of Hitler”.

HuffPost UK revealed how Hayter compared the “bunker mentality” of the Labour leader and his inner circle with the 1930s Nazi regime at a meeting on Tuesday.

The party has now sacked the party’s deputy leader of the Lords and called her comments “truly contemptible, and grossly insensitive to Jewish staff”.

Hayter had been criticising Corbyn over his handling of the anti-Semitism crisis facing the party.

A Labour spokesman told HuffPost UK: “Diane Hayter has been sacked from the frontbench position with immediate effect for her deeply offensive remarks about Jeremy Corbyn and his office.
It's all getting internecine now.

Carth 18-07-2019 11:09
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Looks like the main directive of all parties is now to sack those who have a view different to the boss man (or lady)

I'm sure that, given life experience, everything will turn out absolutely fine when the top dogs are surrounded by toadies who nod on command :rolleyes:

oh, and all this Hitler/Jew stuff is getting right up my nose. :nutter:

denphone 21-07-2019 11:48
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36003186)
Looks like the main directive of all parties is now to sack those who have a view different to the boss man (or lady)

I'm sure that, given life experience, everything will turn out absolutely fine when the top dogs are surrounded by toadies who nod on command :rolleyes:

oh, and all this Hitler/Jew stuff is getting right up my nose. :nutter:
Labour MPs are furious as local party votes to expel former chief whip.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lary-armstrong

Labour MPs expressed outrage last night after a local constituency party voted to expel former chief whip Hilary Armstrong from the party for accusing Jeremy Corbyn of a lack of leadership over antisemitism.

1andrew1 21-07-2019 11:52
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003577)
Labour MPs are furious as local party votes to expel former chief whip.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lary-armstrong

Labour MPs expressed outrage last night after a local constituency party voted to expel former chief whip Hilary Armstrong from the party for accusing Jeremy Corbyn of a lack of leadership over antisemitism.
A case of shoot the messenger if they bring bad news!

Mobes 22-07-2019 20:44
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Funny how we have two main party memberships who both chose style over substance

Both popular in the membership but pretty loathed outside it.

Both who suppress their own voting capabilities.

What could possibly go wrong.

denphone 05-09-2019 11:30
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Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/

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This is a moment of national crisis. The Liberal Democrats are unequivocal in wanting to stop Brexit and are committed to securing Britain's future as a tolerant, open and inclusive society.

I am joining Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats today, in the national interest, to offer a vital, positive alternative to (Boris) Johnson and (Jeremy) Corbyn and help build a future that our country deserves

1andrew1 05-09-2019 21:27
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36008906)
Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/
Another nail in the coffin for Change UK.

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Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36003756)
Funny how we have two main party memberships who both chose style over substance

Both popular in the membership but pretty loathed outside it.

Both who suppress their own voting capabilities.

What could possibly go wrong.
I'm old enough to rememeber a time when both were popular with the public.

Carth 05-09-2019 23:25
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36008906)
Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/
Looks like she won't be missed . . not that many knew who she was anyway

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In a random selection of local voters in her Wavertree constituency, many could not name her, but recognised her name . . .
Her constituency had moved to hold a vote of no confidence in the former Labour MP earlier this year but it was later withdrawn.
Lib Dems, fighting knife crime by giving everyone a hug :dozey:

Chris 05-09-2019 23:38
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36009009)
Looks like she won't be missed . . not that many knew who she was anyway



Lib Dems, fighting knife crime by giving everyone a hug :dozey:
Liverpool ... monkey in a red rosette etc. They jus vote for der Laber, like. It’s hardly surprising they can’t name her. Who she is is entirely besides the point, which is why she’s going to lose her seat come the election no matter how effective a constituency MP she may have been.

1andrew1 05-09-2019 23:45
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36009010)
Liverpool ... monkey in a red rosette etc. They jus vote for der Laber, like. It’s hardly surprising they can’t name her. Who she is is entirely besides the point, which is why she’s going to lose her seat come the election no matter how effective a constituency MP she may have been.
Yes. I think reports say she"ll aim for a London seat, maybe Justine Greening's old constituency which is heavily Remain.

Damien 06-09-2019 08:48
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Yeah it won't be the same seat. I imagine the defectors have been promised Lib Dem target seats at the very least but because of the way the Libs are structured, with a lot of power existing with members and local parties, it's probably quite complicated for them. They would have been in discussions with those constituency parties to see if they would allow them to be their candidate.

tweetiepooh 06-09-2019 09:41
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
I don't really have a problem with a sitting MP resigning from their party and remaining MP as our system elects the person not the party (even if that's not the way people vote it is the system). But they should then remain an Independent until another election not move to an opposing party.

I guess the "opposing party" wouldn't want someone unless they bought a seat with them.

OLD BOY 06-09-2019 13:18
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36009031)
I don't really have a problem with a sitting MP resigning from their party and remaining MP as our system elects the person not the party (even if that's not the way people vote it is the system). But they should then remain an Independent until another election not move to an opposing party.

I guess the "opposing party" wouldn't want someone unless they bought a seat with them.
What is wrong with an MP moving to an opposing party if the MP determines that this would better enable them to pursue the policies on which they were elected? As you correctly state, the electorate votes for the MP, not the party.

Pierre 18-09-2019 21:18
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Seems Labour student body isn’t left wing enough for momentum.

http://news.sky.com/story/move-to-re...rence-11813261

Bolsheviks only, need apply.

pip08456 18-09-2019 21:25
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36010700)
Seems Labour student body isn’t left wing enough for momentum.

http://news.sky.com/story/move-to-re...rence-11813261

Bolsheviks only, need apply.
It would appear so.

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Labour Students, which is generally seen as having taken a more centrist line since Mr Corbyn became leader, rejected claims it had not paid its affiliation fees on time.

Chris 18-09-2019 21:38
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Looks like a good old fashioned purge ...

Damien 19-09-2019 06:36
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Quote:
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 32% (-)
LDEM: 23% (+4)
LAB: 21% (-2)
BREX: 14% (-)
GRN: 4% (-3)
This can't the right! Twitter has been telling us all just how badly Jo Swinson is doing and how Jeremy 'Jesus' Corbyn is showing her up.

The real question is why Labour aren't stepping aside to avoid splitting the Lib Dem vote.

Mick 20-09-2019 21:46
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
BREAKING: Sources believe NEC will vote to oust Deputy Leader, Tom Watson in morning, plus move will be backed by members and enough votes on conference floor to approve the move tomorrow afternoon ... move has come completely out of the blue for Watson’s team on eve of Labour Election campaign conference.

Pierre 20-09-2019 21:48
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36010962)
BREAKING: Sources believe NEC will vote to oust Deputy Leader, Tom Watson in morning, plus move will be backed by members and enough votes on conference floor to approve the move tomorrow afternoon ... move has come completely out of the blue for Watson’s team on eve of Labour Election campaign conference.
The revolution will be televised, don’t upset the polit bureau.

Hugh 20-09-2019 21:54
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Some more details

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-watsons-post
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Jon Lansman, founder of the pro-Corbyn campaign group Momentum, tabled a last-minute motion at the party’s ruling national executive committee (NEC) on Friday night, calling for Watson’s job to be scrapped.

A Momentum source said: “No one person is more important than beating Boris Johnson, ending austerity and tackling the climate emergency. We just can’t afford to go into an election with a deputy leader set on wrecking Labour’s chances.

“Labour members overwhelmingly want a deputy leadership election, but our outdated rulebook won’t let it happen. You need 20% of Labour MPs to trigger an election, and they just won’t let the members have a fair and open election.”

The chair of the NEC ruled Lansman’s motion out of order, but he then sought to have that decision overturned. He won the subsequent vote 17-10; but that fell just short of the two-thirds majority necessary to challenge the chair’s authority.

However, the Guardian understands NEC members agreed to return to the issue at Saturday’s meeting.

If the policy is agreed, it would be recommended to Labour members as a change to party rules, which would then have to be approved by conference. Neither Watson nor Corbyn were present at the meeting.

Chris 20-09-2019 23:50
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Wot, Labour MPs standing in the way of a fair and open election? Whodathunkit ...

pip08456 21-09-2019 10:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36010978)
Wot, Labour MPs standing in the way of a fair and open election? Whodathunkit ...
Especially when it is the founder of Momentum who is complaining!:D

denphone 21-09-2019 10:40
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
So if someone disagrees with your policy or policies within a political party the new political in thing is to get rid of them.:rolleyes:

papa smurf 21-09-2019 10:55
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Jezza has called off the vote.


https://news.sky.com/story/tony-blai...erous-11815538

denphone 21-09-2019 11:00
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36010995)
Yes l just saw that on the Sky News app papa but my sentiments still apply not just to the Labour party but all political parties.

1andrew1 21-09-2019 11:28
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010996)
Yes l just saw that on the Sky News app papa but my sentiments still apply not just to the Labour party but all political parties.
Indeed, BoJo and Jezza are not too disimilar here.

papa smurf 21-09-2019 11:30
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36010999)
Indeed, BoJo and Jezza are not too disimilar here.
I don't think jezza knew anything about ousting Watson, it was the momentum mob.

denphone 21-09-2019 11:31
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36010999)
Indeed, BoJo and Jezza are not too disimilar here.
Suppressing dissenting views that others don't agree with in a political party is just one step away from a dictatorship.

papa smurf 21-09-2019 13:26
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All is back to normal now

Chris 21-09-2019 16:20
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Labour Party Conference schedules a debate on rule changes that are supposed to tackle antisemitism - on a Saturday.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/21/l...mitism-debate/

Thereby ensuring that no observant Jews can take part in the debate, as it’s the Sabbath.

nomadking 21-09-2019 17:39
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36011001)
Suppressing dissenting views that others don't agree with in a political party is just one step away from a dictatorship.
When it's a single core issue, such as Brexit, it's a different matter. With Momentum/Labour it's just about the general tone of differences.

---------- Post added at 17:39 ---------- Previous post was at 17:26 ----------

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36011023)
Labour Party Conference schedules a debate on rule changes that are supposed to tackle antisemitism - on a Saturday.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/21/l...mitism-debate/

Thereby ensuring that no observant Jews can take part in the debate, as it’s the Sabbath.
Why not on the Sunday. The conference as whole start on Saturday. If the start was shifted to Tuesday, that would clash with Friday.
Warm days and environments also blocked.
Link
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Large employers would be forced to provide flexible hours to women experiencing the menopause under Labour plans to end stigma in the workplace.
The list goes on and on.

heero_yuy 03-10-2019 10:24
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Quote from The Sun:Hard-Left activists have mounted a bid to try to oust Jewish Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman - on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

She is the third female Jewish Labour MP to have faced a campaign to kick her out after daring to speak out against Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to tackle anti-Semitism.

Corbynistas in a branch in Dame Louise’s Liverpool Riversdale constituency are debating a no confidence motion in her next Tuesday.

This is on the evening of Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

The motion slams the MP for daring to speak out against the Labour leader on anti-Jew hate.
Nasty party in full flow.

Carth 03-10-2019 10:31
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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/10/1.jpg

:D

tweetiepooh 03-10-2019 10:57
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36011023)
Labour Party Conference schedules a debate on rule changes that are supposed to tackle antisemitism - on a Saturday.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/21/l...mitism-debate/

Thereby ensuring that no observant Jews can take part in the debate, as it’s the Sabbath.
Strictly speaking the Sabbath is sunset Friday to sunset Saturday so if debate is on Saturday after the sun sets with enough time to travel as well.

That's why the Jews wanted to clear Jesus' crucifixion site on the Friday before the Sabbath started at sunset.

Chris 03-10-2019 11:06
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
This, I know ;) The debate was scheduled during the regular daytime schedule of the conference, but that was a couple of weeks ago now...

denphone 02-01-2020 10:58
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Meet the next Labour leader if the Labour membership and the betting markets are to be believed.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-le...-poll-11899154

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...-labour-leader

Pierre 02-01-2020 11:05
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36021807)
Meet the next Labour leader if the Labour membership and the betting markets are to be believed.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-le...-poll-11899154

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...-labour-leader
I suppose he would be better than, Thornberry or Long-Bailey, he’s undoubtedly intelligent but he looked stupid when trying to flog Labours Brexit policy ( although anyone would, and did)

Is he left wing enough for Momentum though?

denphone 02-01-2020 11:09
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36021810)
I suppose he would be better than, Thornberry or Long-Bailey, he’s undoubtedly intelligent but he looked stupid when trying to flog Labours Brexit policy ( although anyone would, and did)

Is he left wing enough for Momentum though?
l suspect if he gets elected leader he is most likely to take Labour away from the extremist politics of Corbyn and back to the centre ground.

papa smurf 02-01-2020 12:37
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36021811)
l suspect if he gets elected leader he is most likely to take Labour away from the extremist politics of Corbyn and back to the centre ground.
A quick rebranding to the Champagne socialist party,and it's chocks away, tallyho snort snort.

Pierre 02-01-2020 17:28
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36021811)
l suspect if he gets elected leader he is most likely to take Labour away from the extremist politics of Corbyn and back to the centre ground.
He won’t get it then.

Mr K 02-01-2020 18:09
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36021810)
I suppose he would be better than, Thornberry or Long-Bailey, he’s undoubtedly intelligent but he looked stupid when trying to flog Labours Brexit policy ( although anyone would, and did)

Is he left wing enough for Momentum though?
Less than 1 in 10 Labour members are in Momentum. The majority of the public are in the centre, the sooner both the main parties realise that the better.

Sephiroth 04-01-2020 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36021836)
Less than 1 in 10 Labour members are in Momentum. The majority of the public are in the centre, the sooner both the main parties realise that the better.
I think the Conservatives appealed to the middle-ground rump of previous Labour voters. The Conservative “main party” realised the need for offering that appeal.

PM’s Questions on Wednesday should be amusing.

1andrew1 04-01-2020 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36021965)

PM’s Questions on Wednesday should be amusing.
Agreed - will be a bit awks for BoJo not being tipped-off about the assasination of Qasim Soleimani.

Julian 04-01-2020 23:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36022007)
Agreed - will be a bit awks for BoJo not being tipped-off about the assasination of Qasim Soleimani.
Not sure why it will be 'awks'

Was anyone else told?

Did anyone else need to be told?

:shrug:

1andrew1 05-01-2020 00:51
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36022008)
Not sure why it will be 'awks'

Was anyone else told?

Did anyone else need to be told?

:shrug:
Well, even some of his supporting media acknowledge the situation.

Take this from the Mail, for example:

"Tomorrow, Boris Johnson will fly back to the UK from his holiday in Mustique after facing criticism for his silence and will walk into a growing row with the US after Britain was left in the dark about the attack."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Hugh 05-01-2020 12:47
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36022008)
Not sure why it will be 'awks'

Was anyone else told?

Did anyone else need to be told?

:shrug:
Because of the rising tension it caused in the Gulf region, and the impact on UK interests and assets, and the danger to British shipping in the Straits of Hormuz?

Damien 05-01-2020 18:16
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
I do wonder if it's a case of him not being 'officially' told but the British knowing in advance that if the U.S had the chance they would take it. I think it's better for him that, whatever the truth of the matter is, he can say he was not told in advance. It reduces our complicity and gives us more options in dealing with Iran than we otherwise would have.

Let's not forget that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is still in an Iranian prison and if we were viewed by Iran to have participated in this attack then she might have the consequences for that. Although again I wonder how much Iran will believe that this was nothing to do with us....

Sephiroth 05-01-2020 18:27
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Iran is a pariah state. Hizbollah loving Corbyn would disagree with that.
I would have shed no tears if had been in the General's car when the missile struck.

Pierre 20-02-2020 19:16
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Labour leadership: Jeremy Corbyn 'would consider shadow cabinet role' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51576706

Oh please yes.

Just to confirm Labour wish to remain out of power for the foreseeable future.

Mr K 20-02-2020 19:29
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36025334)
Labour leadership: Jeremy Corbyn 'would consider shadow cabinet role' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51576706

Oh please yes.

Just to confirm Labour wish to remain out of power for the foreseeable future.
Think Jezza is going to be out of luck. A genuine bloke, who never changed his principles, unlike some when they get into leadership. But he wasn't electable.

Ed Miliband might be back though, who like any Labour leader, was unjustly vilified by the usual right wing media suspects (based on mostly what he looked like, how shallow we are...... )

Sephiroth 20-02-2020 19:32
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36025337)
Think Jezza is going to be out of luck. A genuine bloke, who never changed his principles, unlike some when they get into leadership. But he wasn't electable.

Ed Miliband might be back though, who like any Labour leader, was unjustly vilified by the usual right wing media suspects (based on mostly what he looked like, how shallow we are...... )
You mean an antisemitic fan of Hizbollah, Hamas, IRA and so on. You're right for once.

Pierre 20-02-2020 20:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36025337)
A genuine bloke, who never changed his principles, unlike some when they get into leadership. But he wasn't electable
In the words of Dr Ian Malcolm.

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he isn't some nice sweet guy that was obliterated by the media or the Building of a anti-socialist narrative. Marxist Corbyn had his shot and the electorate selected him for extinction!


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