Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Take a look at the problem:(

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While we're waiting for a permanent solution, if there is one, we need to stem the flow and get on with the removals because every week which goes by with no concerted action simply encourages more migrants to take their chances. The longer they're allowed to remain the more likely it is that they'll never be removed and will eventually want to bring their families.

In the fixation with high profile airport security, we've taken our eye off the ball and allowed vast numbers of unknown people just to walk right into Europe. If it wasn't so serious it'd be laughable.

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I'm really, really glad that we have a ruddy great moat between us and the mainland!

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Too true! We've already experienced excessive population growth and the problems associated with it as a result of uncontrolled migration and really don't need to add to it.

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It's all true.
we asked for it.
nobody would listen.
we're finished.

their hate is real.
their intentions are real.
their plan is in full swing.

we are doomed.

the reason it happened is because you rely on other people to look after you too much.
and they actually can't help you anyway.

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That is their intention. to breed and dominate.

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I think most people are making a deliberate decision to avoid this thread, mainly because of the intolerant reaction of some of the "residents" to opinions that are contrary to their own.

Other reasons include:

- the endless, interminable number of posts saying basically the same thing. If you have a point to make, make it, just don't make it 100's of times
- the use of at best, dubious, at worse, right wing "news" sources
- blocking of people who challenge the "residents" point of view
- the almost gleeful nature of new posts detailing the latest misfortune to overtake the EU and the migrants/refugees.

the last reason is for me the most relevant: where are the constructive suggestions on solving this problem at source? Where is the humanity for the people forced to leave their homes?

All I see is endless carping at the "migrant deluge" with no constructive discussion on how these people can be encouraged to stay where they originate from and how the ones that have to leave can be supported in the bordering countries.

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for those of us who live in places where immigrants have settled the affects are clear.

My city is one of the poorest in the country (which I think is no coincidence) and it is seriously struggling with infrastructure to cope in day to day life.

There are certain things I am ok with and certain things I think are wrong.

One thing I dont like is when I hear kids playing outside who dont speak english.

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The problem is how to stem the flow and how to remove people when we don't know where they've come from (no one with any sense will state they came from a country where to which they would face easy deportation).

Europe can say they won't take any more immigrants but for the still substantial numbers of migrants who are coming from places like Libya, Syria and Eritrea the prospect of living safety but illegally is far more appealing than living in danger albeit legally.

It's really hard to see how those in charge actually manage to do something about this.

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I have plenty of humanity for them. It's the economic migrant *******s (apparently the majority) that I despise as they are adversly affecting the chances of genuine refugees.

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Doesn't matter how many times you say it...

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It is really hard of course but we have to start somewhere and effectively encouraging more economic migrants to come here by having an open door to everyone who shows up only makes things worse. Part of what we need to do is make people aware that illegal economic migrants won't be allowed to stay or be allowed to go where they choose. It has worked in Australia and IMHO it's the place to start the process to try to get the numbers under control. The less economic migrants who come, the more resources there are for the genuine refugees who we all accept ought to be our priority.

Tough decisions are going to have to be made sooner or later and the longer this goes on in its current form, the harder those decisions and actions will ultimately have to be. If we wish to continue some credible humanitarian response to what's going in places like Syria we cannot allow ourselves to be swamped with economic migrants no matter how sorry we may feel for them. Being in denial about the seriousness of this issue will only lead to growing political and social unrest. For those still in denial about the scale of this problem, given the surge in numbers this year over last, what does anyone seriously think next year will be like?

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Here's an answer (but I bet some here don't like it)

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It's common courtesy to link to where your quote is from, and also covers "fair usage".

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Guess I'm not courteous then. I know how this works, I put up a link, then everyone goes and looks for some obscure topic somewhere to try and discredit the site. No thanks, you have the post - take it for what it is.

I liked it because it shoots down everyone bitching about how we have no compassion, we don't love the migrants (bless) & are offering no solution to the issue (problem)

Well there's one fair example of a solution which is more than I've seen anyone else do - including said bitchers.

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That looks like the Australian solution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12..._channel=ABFTV

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Seems to be from here:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/thr...8#post-6826006

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Here's a solution I posted in September:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35798899-post627.html

It got no reaction from what I can remember ..

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The problem is, Europe has some recent, rather unfortunate experience around the use of concentration camps, which is what that post is advocating.

Even if the mere suggestion were not political arsenic, unless your massive, high-fenced, patrolled refugee ghetto is also going to be gifted a fully functioning economy, within which the inhabitants can find employment and a sense of self-worth, such an installation would fairly quickly become a place of rampant crime, mental and physical ill-health, repeated attempts at mass break-out, and the kinds of TV pictures none of us likes to see over our Christmas dinner.

It is a non-starter and will not happen, ever, under any circumstances.

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Allowing large numbers of economic migrants to be held for long periods of time against their will is a recipe for disaster. We have to prevent as many of these people as possible from getting into Europe in the first place. The rules need to be tightened and the process of separating/removing the genuine from the illegal speeded up but it's going to be difficult to do any of this without resorting to the use of armed forces and the conjuring up of all sorts of unpleasant images. Germany has a particular problem with such images I'm sure and they're going to face very severe problems enforcing anything like an effective asylum policy without reminding people of Nazism. Maybe Merkel should have thought about that...

Until economic migrants start to believe it's not worth the cost/risk of heading to Europe they will continue to do so in ever increasing numbers. We need to start showing them that they can't effectively 'force' their way into the EU and hope to get away with it. The relevant international borders need to be strengthened and only those in the greatest need allowed in. Then something needs to be done about those who've been kept out and maybe that will have to involve taking them straight back from where they came when that is possible. We have to make that choice preferable to the alternative.

Nobody should be in any doubt that, even if the flow stopped tomorrow, there are huge challenges ahead in processing, dealing with, then trying to assimilate those who've already made it into Europe let alone the millions more who are and will be heading in this direction if we don't sort this out. Allowing this to go on will end in serious trouble I believe and quite probably a serious rise in the sort of extreme right wing political parties and policies we'd all hoped would be a thing of the past.

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You'd be surprised what can happen in time, desperate measures etc, still until then how about you put up a suggestion that: discourages non genuine refugees from coming, takes care of the ones already here, let's controlled immigration happen across all member states, oh and doesn't waste funds.

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If only it were that easy...

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Norway has adopted a novel approach to getting their message across and trying to stem the flow:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34813650

Clearly they can see the danger of what's being allowed to happen and realise they have to do something about it.

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Some of us were saying this from day one...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34841388

But in the media clamour to be seen to be 'welcoming' our voices weren't heard.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34901638

About time too. Perhaps if things had been made tougher years ago, many of the economic migrants wouldn't have made the journey. Ah well, I'm sure lessons will be learned...

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It's alright, a very good false passport can easily be bought in Turkey, just don't open your mouth when they ask you to speak Arabic.

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That's a mere detail in the overall scheme of things to do with border security, illegal immigration etc. We all know the world is awash with false papers and people prepared to provide them. Maybe going back to basics and seeking evidence of such things as the ablity to speak/write the language concerned and using the evidence thereby derived would be a more effective measure but I dare say that'd impinge upon someone's human rights.

I saw a TV documentary the other day in which an illegal migrant from Pakistan was arrested by Border Control (bit of a misnomer that...) officers claimed to be from Bulgaria but when questioned couldn't speak a word of the language and knew virtually nothing about the country. It's widespread but nobody wants to admit it because to do so would only serve to illustrate the chaos.

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Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

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Willing to bet that next year will be even higher

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Yes one suspects it will be.

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Don't worry though, it's all good news, there's clearly no adverse impact on schools, the NHS, roads, housing etc. etc. etc. whatsoever. In fact it's all so great for UK PLC that I wonder why we have controls at all. If we could only stop anyone leaving we'd be even better off... :rolleyes:

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That figure tallies neatly with the new house building announcement...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34957830

Yes and I'm sure those rules will be as robust as the EU's borders are. Turkey within the EU will just open us up to a vast amount more uncontrollable migration not less.

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I think that ANY migrant that enters this country - should abide by the laws of this country, and NOT rely on the benefits of UKFree.

Yes, they may not have money, and they may be homeless.

But, l believe that this country, should and foremost look after its own before anyone else

We are now being flooded on TV with adverts for foreign aid, and look after refugees.

I have yet to see an advert for the homeless in the UK

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Sally army Christmas appeal each year. ;)

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You never know, maybe Geldof and his chums will offer their comfy spare homes to some destitute services personnel if they haven't already managed to fill them with migrants.

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The destitute services personnel that already have housing priority?

however in the very worst instance they, might not need to if Arthur makes good on his promise...... I wonder how that's coming on?

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That 'priority' clearly doesn't prevent so many of them winding up sleeping rough does it. Physically fit younger males don't tend to get elevated to the top of many 'priority' lists. Maybe what's on offer to them either isn't sufficiently well communicated or maybe they feel they're better off sleeping rough than in a hostel. Quite probably there are people who're above them in the list of 'priority' cases - e.g. elderly, women, disabled. There are only so many places available after all. In any event my point was about those who publicly offer charity to people from around the globe whilst apparently overlooking the needy closer to home.

I'd be a bit happier about allowing hundreds of thousands of people into the UK every year if we were managing to look after those who are already here and had the services to cope with the influx. We clearly don't and can't keep up.

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Yes they do , ex-forces take the highest priority over anyone else

source: someone who used to work directly with a london borough council on housing benefit. now working nationally on housing benefit for multiple LGO's.

There are also areas (Middlesbrough is one) where there are many more empty properties than there are homeless.

Whilst I'll grant you communication could probably be improved the information is all readily available on the internet and from places such as Citizens Advice you just have to look.


Perhaps the stress on services such as the NHS could be reduced by people not running to the Dr. every time they have a cold/sore throat/sniffle. In secondary care A&E the amount of ****heads who cant control themselves

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That's not how I read this:


https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ho...heir-families/

You're telling me any single male ex services member would get priority over a refugee family with young children or indeed a single woman with a child? Can't see that.

I'd agree about the misuse of the NHS etc. but dealing with uncontrolled migration and reforming the NHS aren't mutually exclusive and dealing with the latter would help a great deal since so many refugees/migrants are in greater need of services such as the NHS for various reasons.

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Ex Armed Forces do not get automatic priority over anyone else who is homeless. Each case is now decided on "need" as opposed to the old "points" system (which did not give points for having served your country).

A lot of "advice" is there for ex service members, but it doesn't get a guaranteed roof over your head, it just points you to councils who are obliged to act. Councils are obliged to offer accomodation to any homeless person or family, but that might mean a hostel or B&B. And it is rarely totally free.

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What I thought. So being ex-services is a guarantee of nothing if you happen to be homeless and there are others (including migrants) who're deemed a higher priority for whatever reason. I'm not questioning the need as much as I'm questioning any policy which puts people who've contributed nothing to our country ahead of those who have. Lot's of people made a lot of noise about housing refugees when we have plenty of our own needy who're at the bottom of the list through no fault of their own. How about sorting them out first?

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

:clap::clap::clap:

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So the EU is to give a lump sum to Turkey to "slow the flow"... but worrying to the extreme is that they have agreed to push Turkey's membership off the EU further down the process.

If you think the migration from the Eastern parts of the EU caused problems, you ain't seen nothing yet when Turkey join..... and it'll be a muslim tide.

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As Germany is finding.
Can anyone verify the authenticity of this email that's doing the rounds? 'cos if it's a true account it is very scary

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http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/

And if it's not true, it's just a scaremongering bunch of lies made up to foment fear and loathing.

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Putting a fragment of the above into Google reveal some pretty unsavory hits on the first page of results:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ev...QAw&gws_rd=ssl

I think the BNP at number 5 and the Tea Party has put their own unique spin on it reporting it to its readers as "news":

http://www.teaparty.org/doctors-horr...htmare-124056/

I could not help but love the Tea Party mission statement:

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Seems fair enough :tu: :)

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"unproven" but it does have a feel of made up about it.

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I was alluding to the patent lack of "domestic tranquility" re: gun crime which the Tea Party endorse via their NRA support

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Well there's more trouble brewing on the Macedonian border where new fences are being erected and migrants not from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are being prevented from crossing. The result? Not only are those who're trapped on the border getting increasingly aggressive but they're now trying to prevent refugees from the chosen countries being allowed through.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34978111

Who could possibly have predicted any of this when the EU opened the floodgates? :rolleyes:

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link:(

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Never mind, I'm sure they'll all be model citizens who'll soon forget all that nonsense, integrate perfectly and thereafter be a huge benefit to wherever they go...

I don't know what people are worrying about, it's not as though we have a potentially serious problem with ISIS operatives and sympathisers getting into Europe and trying their very best to spread their hate and mayhem is it.

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

France has regional votes happening now, FN (Front National) expected to make large gains in votes.

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Yes it's all quite worrying but, I feel, the inevitable result of deeply falwed and clearly faining EU policy.

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Predictions are causing panic in the 2 main parties in France. Much as when there was a swing to UKIP in the UK. The mud-slinging has already started on French TV and Radio. It was easy to predict which areas would swing right... those suffering the inflow of immigrants.

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Sometimes democracy doesn't go as you'd wish. This is actually a good thing; it hopefully encourages the establishment to pay more attention to those whose views they've clearly marginalised.

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You'd hope so, more likely what will happen is that those people will be dismissed as racists and little frenchies though

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You must be joking. Unfortunatly, democracy has no effect on this. We have no say at all on what our EU masters in Brussels inflict on us as we haven't voted for them and can't vote them out. The EU is an undemocratic institution. We cannot exert any influence on it. :(

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35018849

I'd like to think this sort of thing is sounding alarm bells in Brussels but I have a feeling that they're so accustomed to telling us all what to do and how to think that they won't hear them...

The EU has shown itself to have an ingrained 'we know better' attitude. Whether it's warnings about the single currency straightjacket or open borders and uncontrolled migration, they refuse to listen and act because to do so would show them up for the blinkered, deluded fools they are.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/12/15.png


The radio and TV is full of the ruling elite's supporters having a go at "Extreme Right Politics". Well their actions, and lack of action, caused this swing....

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That's not correct. They are not blinkered or deluded, they are working through a plan. They refuse to listen because they don't have to and don't want to. They are unelected and therefore unaccountable. The EU nations can't leave the EU if they don't like it as there is no mechanism for leaving and the EU leaders are therefore free to push through their agenda of national homogenisation regardless of any populist opposition to their aims and methods. :shrug:

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

The Treaty of Lisbon introduced Article 50, which allows withdrawal from the EU.

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I stand corrected. Excellent :tu:

The rest of my rant still holds though.....:(

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Well there is that take on them too... :erm:

(The two are not mutually exclusive either ;) )

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Which article 50? The old one which was repealed(ie scrapped), the Lisbon one which is the old article 53 or the latest one which was article 49 originally and became 49A in Lisbon?
Found the answer.

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You wouldn't believe the process or how long it takes to get out, it's almost like it's been designed to make leaving as hard as possible

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Strange, isn't it? :rolleyes::(

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35091960

Having let in a million refugees (and there'll be more to follow via families etc. I'm sure) maybe she's extra keen on free movement because she'll be hoping a good number of them can be moved on elsewhere in the EU (to countries which didn't 'welcome' them in the first place).

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Bring them in, give them asylum, hand out the German ID cards... and off they go anywhere they like in the EU.

Camoron is pushing to stop "in work" Benefits for migrants for 4 years, what about the "out of work" Benefits many will demand when they arrive?

Not that Camoron is liable to get any change allowed in Benefits anyway......

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Can't see how that can be prevented but perhaps someone will pop by shortly and explain where we've got it all wrong...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35093827

Has Merkel told the migrants they're not so welcome now then?

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They've got more than enough to replace the Gast Werker Turks they've been lumbered with for years....

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Gastarbeiters, not Gast Werker.

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Neither sounds very complimentary to be honest. ;)

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"Guest Worker", able work in Germany for one or two years before returning home. Many did not though, and large numbers held out for payments to them, their spouses and each child that sent them home with a small fortune compared with wages where they originated.

But equally large numbers decided to stay, and their children born in Germany are now given citizenship if their parents had been good and paid taxes.

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Both terms are used, especially on the German-Dutch border areas.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35118496

That doesn't sound very welcoming does it. I wonder why? :confused: Never mind, the great and the good know what's best for the rest of us don't they... :rolleyes:

Maybe some of those who're tell telling us we need to be more welcoming to increasing numbers of migrants and refugees from all around the globe ought to show us how that's done and make a bit of effort themselves. They could try leading by example for a change instead of telling the rest of us to just keep sucking it all up with a smile on our faces.

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

The tighter they screw down the top on the pressure cooker the bigger the final explosion will be. :(

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

I tend to agree. It's not going to end well and the resentment which is clearly being stored up across Europe is going to come to a head sooner or later. The only question is when and how bad.

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Why wouldn't people want these "nice" people to come?:rolleyes:

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Why does it surprise anyone that, however much we may sympathise with them, bringing large numbers of people with all sorts of needs and issues (whether they be medical, psychological, educational and/or religious and cultural) might cause problems in areas which are already feeling hard done by as a result of cuts, austerity, unemployment or whatever?

Why does it surprise anyone that large numbers of people (mainly young men) who aren't allowed to work, don't speak the local language and have no support systems might resort to crime, especially when they've so often engaged in crime to get to their destinations in the first place?

Why does it surprise anyone that tensions arise between groups of migrants who don't want to get along with each other (and quite possibly have intractable historical cultural and religious reasons for not doing so) might clash and bring their simmering antagonism and hostility with them?

Why does it surprise anyone that people traumatised by conflict whether directly or indirectly might have considerable psychological problems which demand just the sort of mental health resources/long term treatment which are already in short supply and the lack of which is causing huge problems in our society?

Why does it surprise anyone that in tough circumstances such as these, migrants understandably tend to stick together with those they know and feel most comfortable (especially where there are strong religious and cultural factors) instead of integrating seamlessly into their new host societies?

Why does it surprise anyone that allowing free movement and giving refuge to people we usually have no detailed knowledge of might just result in an unknown number of wholly undesirable people gaining entry to and creating mayhem within their new host societies and quite possibly not even be removable?

Why does it surprise anyone that if you send out a 'welcome' whether directly in the form of a Merkel pronouncement or indirectly as a result of ineffectual border controls and immigration enforcement, desperate people from all around the globe might just want to take advantage and be inclined risk their lives to do so?

If none of the above are really any surprise to anyone with a brain, why are we still letting it happen in front of our eyes? Why aren't our generous and glorious leaders providing the additional services and infrastructure necessary to keep up with the extra demand they're imposing on our already overstretched services in so many areas? Why aren't our laws, rules and regulations being altered and strengthened to reflect the world we now live in, the abuse of the outdated HR system and the new and unpredictable risks we're facing as a result of what they're allowing to happen?

If, however, the above are still a big surprise to those who know best on our behalf you have to wonder what it's going to take to make them a) see sense and b) do something about it all?

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Because it's not PC innit ...

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I'm in no doubt as to why this is happening.
It is a stated aim of the EU (and the UN) that they want to or would like to homogenize the populations of countries as much as they can.
Unrestrained immigration gets them a long way down that road. The fact that we don't like it is of no consequence to them. It's all part of the project.

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Yes, I've previously alluded to the possibility of the apparent quest for chaos being part of (by intention or otherwise) a 'plan' in which the chosen few create the conditions in which they can take even great control of our lives than they already have. It's either happening through ineptitude or intent and neither is a comforting prospect... :erm:

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When the mess is complete, my guess is that those with the wealth will fly the coop. Those with the wealth will be those who are increasing their fortunes from the untold £millions sloshing around Europe.

The lights are about to go out and the 'ordinary' people will be left in the dark. Time to call it a day on the failed European shambles.

It makes me want to throw up.

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I think you're all trying too hard to find logic in the chaos. I think world leaders spending more of their time reacting to events rather than intentionally sparking them in motion. The migrant crisis was sparked by a war in Syria which was partly caused by the Arab Spring which in turn was caused by a great number of other factors.

Politicians don't have total control, all they can do is push a domino in a certain direction but really they have no idea where it could lead.

Generally I believe that when you can suddenly see order and sense in what is happening in the world then you probably don't understand it. I know I don't.

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Well I guess we were under the delusion that we could expect an iota of logic and even common sense from those who're supposedly running the show. ;)

Yes, of course chaos always ensues in the immediate aftermath of sudden large scale events but how long has this migration issue and lack of border security been going on? Syria has just magnified what was already happening and what those in charge did sweet FA about. Europe's borders didn't become insecure after Syria, they've always been insecure and given what was agreed in the Schengen agreement and what we've known about Islamic (and other) terrorists, especially since 9/11 I find it remarkable that more effort was put into securing them long ago. Europe's handing of migration and asylum didn't become unsustainable and frankly dangerous as a result of Syria, it's been unfit for purpose for years.

Did Merkel's welcome invitation come as a total surprise to these people or was it given in full knowledge that the systems and resources to manage the situation weren't there and clearly wouldn't be for a very long time? Was her offer properly considered and planned for or just an unfortunate mistake?

Frankly the lack of any credible plan for what do in entirely predictable circumstances such as these, even now, is lamentable. That's clearly why a good number of member states have taken matters into their own hands and are doing what the Eurocrats still don't appear to have the will or foresight to do.

Thank the Lord that Cameron didn't add to our horrific migration burden (which he's managed to do sod all about) by jumping on Merkel's bandwagon and we're consequently taking a far smaller more easily managed number of people direct from refugee camps.

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With respect I think Osem has expressed exceptional clarity of thought.

The political logic appears to be planned chaos.

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I am not directing that at Osem. I am saying that anyone who claims to understand everything that is happening the world has probably misunderstood it, such is the complicity of it all. It extends to politicians who I think are more often held hostage to events rather than calmly planning them. It was more of a general point and a division from what I was originally talking about.

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Ok ;)

Politicians can be hostage to whatever but I expect our leaders to be just that.

Reactivity isn't leadership imho.

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I'm not claiming to understand everything. I'm simply pointing out that the EU has stated that the ultimate aim is to homogenize the populations of it's constituent countries........and people still wonder why they are now letting in lots of migrants! They've told us why, it's obvious!

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Can you share the link for this? Many thanks ..

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So wine lakes, butter mountains, straight bananas and all the rest were just a distraction?... ;) :)

Anyway why would these power crazed loonies stop at homogenisation of the populace? They clearly don't want us to think for ourselves, God forbid disagree with them, so how best to ensure we all do what we're told... :erm:

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Oh gawd....can I find it now?! I've bloody well seen a video on youtube with one of the recent EU bigwigs actually saying it. :rolleyes::(
If/when I find it, rest assured I'll post it :(
In the meantime do some reading round the subjects of "cultural homogenization in europe", the "Coudenhove-Kalergi plan"-paying particular attention to past winners of the "Charlemagne Prize"

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

What, like Winston Churchill?

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No, like your mum. Who do you think I'm talking about? :rolleyes:
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Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

To be fair, his proposal and the resulting structures formed have worked, bringing perhaps the longest period of peace between member nations

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Indeed. I think that "the project" is an excellent idea. The general idea makes perfect sense and is definitely the way forward.
However......the underhand, sneaky way that the EU is trying to implement it is what I have a problem with. They are basically p*ssing on our legs and telling us that it's raining.

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

Or it has just delayed the inevitable and stored up even grater resentment and problems for the not too distant future? :shrug:

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Let’s face it She will soon have over a million low paid workers to boost there economy.

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... and a nice low Euro created by all the mayhem they've caused makes German exports cheaper.

Anyone would think there was some method in all the madness... :erm:

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

I never looked at it that way ;)

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Oh ffs!
£100M: UK Govt Blows Tax Payer Cash On EMPTY Syrian Refugee Camp :(