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1andrew1 06-02-2014 11:19
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35669565)
That's impressive. They've only been offering TV for 16 months and are set to hit 1 million TV customer by the end of next month. The fastest growing pay TV provider in the UK.
It's impressive but I think only 250,000 of those are paying for channels.

RichardCoulter 06-02-2014 12:08
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35669244)
Ah yes forgot about local tv that would certainly boost numbers up
I hope that the number of new channels being mooted doesn't include lots of tiny local TV channels that most VM customers won't be able to receive (apart from any in their own areas).

andy_m 06-02-2014 12:25
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35669381)
The £9.99 day pass for Sky Sports might seem expensive, but I get one Sunday off every three weeks so there's not any real value for me in subscribing to Sky Sports on a monthly basis, but give me a Sunday off with an exclusively live Grand Prix and two decent Premier League matches for a tenner and I'd have to consider it worthwhile. All depends on your circumstances.
I was just thinking about this, and looking ahead to the start of the F1 season. The Australian Grand Prix is exclusively live on Sky Sports F1, lights out at 6am our time. Then the afternoon brings Man Utd v. Liverpool followed by Spurs v. Arsenal. I'm off as well - I'll gladly pay a tenner for all of that, to be honest I've given the BBC highlights a go for a couple of years but I've had enough of that now!

Has anybody used Now TV to watch live sport? What's the streaming quality like? I'm considering getting the box.

1andrew1 06-02-2014 12:26
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35669650)
I hope that the number of new channels being mooted doesn't include lots of tiny local TV channels that most VM customers won't be able to receive (apart from any in their own areas).
Presumably only the larger stations will be able to afford carriage deals with VM? So could the 43 new channels look something like:
15 channels currently on other providers but not on Virgin Media.
6 catch-up/on demand services
9 radio stations
13 local TV
43

theone2k10 06-02-2014 12:32
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669655)
Presumably only the larger stations will be able to afford carriage deals with VM? So could the 43 new channels look something like:
15 channels currently on other providers but not on Virgin Media.
6 catch-up/on demand services
9 radio stations
13 local TV
43
That number i gave is including new od services too, sorry that was my bad i should of put that in.

1andrew1 06-02-2014 12:38
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669663)
That number i gave is including new od services too, sorry that was my bad i should of put that in.
That's what I assumed and I've guessed that 6/43 will be on-demand/catch up services.

Gavin-D 06-02-2014 13:10
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Communicorp buys 8 Global Radio stations Real Radio stations will become Heart

Global Radio is selling eight radio stations in response to a ruling by the Competition Commission after buying GMG Radio in June 2012.

The stations being sold are Smooth Radio North West, North East and East Midlands, along with Capital South Wales, Real Radio North Wales, Capital Scotland, Real Radio Yorkshire and Real XS Manchester.

The single buyer for all stations is Dublin based Communicorp, owner of Today FM, Spin and Newstalk. Communicorp is wholly owned by Denis O’Brien, subject to regulatory approval.

And whilst the stations will operate under new owners and sell local airtime, national sales and non-peak programming will still be provided by Global Radio under a franchise agreement.

All existing Real Radio stations will become Heart, as expected, and the former Marcher stations, currently Heart, will become Capital.

Smooth Radio will expand to Gold’s frequencies on AM across the UK except in London, East Midlands and Manchester.

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2014/02/comm...adio-stations/

---------- Post added at 12:10 ---------- Previous post was at 11:43 ----------

Full round of of whats going on can be found here: http://www.mattdeegan.com/2014/02/06...als-disposals/

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 14:03
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35669555)
But where is this information based on? One story that is highly speculative,

I can appreciate speculation/theory on channels VM consumers would like to acquire like SA
I can understand on ones that have been announced as intended to launch like ITV encore

But speculation on a channel that doesn't exist I.e. Sky bravo is just plain daft, if anything if such a channel was planned I suspect ITV encore is now this said channel, which will be a sky exclusive for given period.

Why would sky want to do a deal for sky bravo with VM when they have proven in the above two examples of doing it alone (SA), if anything this proves they want to do deal with producers like HBO and ITV and not direct competitors, BT and VM
I know that some on here have a mindset that leads them to be absolutely certain that some things will definitely not happen, just as they did with BT Sport. Although they insist on sources and certainties from those who tell them differently, their resistance to the idea is not backed up by sources and certainties either and is purely their opinion.

As far as Sky Atlantic is concerned, of course there is some uncertainty about this, because we are not privy to these delicate negotiations and we are reliant on what comes out of the media. However, there is quite a bit of evidence that points to the distinct likelihood that things may be about to change (which I won't repeat here as this has been done to death).

Now that VM have Netflix, some are speculating that this has killed off any likely deal with Sky, but frankly there is so much decent content on Netflix, I think Sky will realise that the small amount of additional 'decent' content that exists on Sky Atlantic in comparison means that it is no longer the USP that it once was, nice though it would be for us to get it. Sky will surely want to get some money in from VM viewers at some point to help pay for the massive outlay with very little return that they have had to date, with a ridiculously small audience share.

As for Sky Bravo not existing - well it doesn't at the moment, but Sky want to launch it when they can get VM to agree, so there's a negotiation there to be had as well. Sky Bravo is a prospective male orientated channel and has nothing to do with ITV Encore.

You may be interested in the link below as you seem to think that Sky Bravo is a figment of my imagination.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...nnel-itv4-dave

---------- Post added at 12:58 ---------- Previous post was at 12:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35669586)
Purely as devil's advocate, surely giving VM access to SA would give VM an edge over Sky due to their superior broadband speeds and any possible triple pay package deals that VM could offer to new customers coming over from Sky?
They already have the advantage with Netflix. How many shows would you watch on Sky Atlantic compared with the huge variety of material on Netflix? There's no comparison.

---------- Post added at 13:01 ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35669565)

If they wouldn't give a provider they don't see as a big rival access to their prized American drama channel, when agreeing the new SKY basics carriage deal earlier this week, then Virgin Media have no chance.
Yes, but that was likely to be due to the price that Sky wanted from them. It doesn't mean it's not for sale now, and I think Liberty Global has bigger pockets if they can get a deal that they feel is worthwhile.

---------- Post added at 13:03 ---------- Previous post was at 13:01 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35669550)
So you've nothing to back up the statement with.

Cheers

Grim
Sky have form, Grim, it's just a question of learning from history.

JustaBloke 06-02-2014 14:18
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669711)
I know that some on here have a mindset that leads them to be absolutely certain that some things will definitely not happen, just as they did with BT Sport. Although they insist on sources and certainties from those who tell them differently, their resistance to the idea is not backed up by sources and certainties either and is purely their opinion.
You just don't get it, do you? Nobody minds speculation, nobody minds gossip, nobody minds here-say (unless they sing, obviously). It's when you claim it to be fact, constantly refuse to provide your sources and then deride the people who question you as though they were idiots.

And your position that the converse position is not backed up by certainties is as ridiculous this week as it was last week. We have as much certainty as is possible in that Sky are constantly advertising that it is exclusive. We can't be absolutely certain that the Sun isn't a tennis ball can we? We haven't been there and touched it, have we? But we can be as certain as possible that it isn't, so that's the basis that we conduct discussions about it on.

A simple 'In my opinion' or 'Someone told me' or similar would allow readers of your posts to make a judgement about it. Or, if it is a certainty, provide provenance. It's not much to ask, it works beautifully on forums everywhere, even this one in most cases. :)

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 14:29
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35669723)
You just don't get it, do you? Nobody minds speculation, nobody minds gossip, nobody minds here-say (unless they sing, obviously). It's when you claim it to be fact, constantly refuse to provide your sources and then deride the people who question you as though they were idiots.

And your position that the converse position is not backed up by certainties is as ridiculous this week as it was last week. We have as much certainty as is possible in that Sky are constantly advertising that it is exclusive. We can't be absolutely certain that the Sun isn't a tennis ball can we? We haven't been there and touched it, have we? But we can be as certain as possible that it isn't, so that's the basis that we conduct discussions about it on.

A simple 'In my opinion' or 'Someone told me' or similar would allow readers of your posts to make a judgement about it. Or, if it is a certainty, provide provenance. It's not much to ask, it works beautifully on forums everywhere, even this one in most cases. :)
What is your problem? If you read my last post, you will see that I said:

As far as Sky Atlantic is concerned, of course there is some uncertainty about this, because we are not privy to these delicate negotiations and we are reliant on what comes out of the media.

Of course Sky Atlantic is exclusive at the moment. Nobody's arguing with you. However, you seem to want to argue for the sake of it.

I get it, we all get it, you don't believe SA is coming. You are entitled to your opinion as am I.

Now stop trolling and post something useful for once.

bamav 06-02-2014 14:51
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669594)
With fibre optic broadband launching across the uk now the tables may be turned on VM regarding fastest broadband. Still a long way to go ofcourse but it can't be denied broadband and tv is changing. VMs problem is traffic management many companies don't throttle speeds nowadays so say for example you're on skys upto 78mb package then you are going to get that speed no matter how much you use, vm throttle speeds i think VM will get rid of tm in due course though.
And of course, national fibre will reach places VM can't or won't. In a numbers of years, VM's fibre network will become secondary and therefore will reduce their clout when wheeling and dealing for TV programming. It's all about revenue - audience numbers and advertising reach.

As the BT grid is open to competitors offering their own products, the market will blow wide open. Both Sky and VM will need to come up with something extraordinary to keep customers. Exclusive linear channels won't be the way forward - on-demand content will.

---------- Post added at 13:51 ---------- Previous post was at 13:41 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669370)
Is your optimism still based on media reports OB?

Last year, I think there were some media reports that did lead to encouraging signs, but such reports now seem to have disappeared.

I would think Sky launching Atlantic on Now TV will mean that any launch is way into the future (if it ever does launch) as Sky will want to milk now TV based Atlantic subscriptions for as long as they can.

I think there may have been reason for hope last year, but that hope seems 'straw clutchingly' faint now.

I don't think the fact that they have extended the contract with HBO helps. Sky have obviously seen it as a USP draw to their service and wish to continue using that draw. I know there is an argument that they could benefit from selling it to help pay for it, but they have survived a good few years without needing to do that, so I don't see why they can't survive a few more.

I'm not like Dave42 who says it will never come; I just think the chances are extremely small in the near to mid future. I hope I am wrong.
There lies the issue - it's HBO programmes that will remain exclusive, not Sky Atlantic. My feeling is that Sky will release Atlantic to competitors, but will use their own on-demand platform for offering for absolute exclusives. The model used by LoveFilm, Netflix and YouTube seems to be the way forward for obtaining and offering exclusives.

Now TV is almost pointless as a linear channel box, with the exception of Sports. If NowTV simply on deman everything and anything Sky broadcasts, and sold it as such, it may appeal to more people as an addition to linear channels. For example, as a VM customer, I would be happy on one of the lower end TV packages if I could pay Sky a tenner to get streaming all of their programming.

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 14:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamav (Post 35669739)
And of course, national fibre will reach places VM can't or won't. In a numbers of years, VM's fibre network will become secondary and therefore will reduce their clout when wheeling and dealing for TV programming. It's all about revenue - audience numbers and advertising reach.

As the BT grid is open to competitors offering their own products, the market will blow wide open. Both Sky and VM will need to come up with something extraordinary to keep customers. Exclusive linear channels won't be the way forward - on-demand content will.
I agree that the country will be pretty fully cabled up within a few years, but surely what that means is that VM, Sky and the other operators will be on a level playing field at last in terms of access to customers and what they can provide. It means that VM will have a lot more customers than they do now because they will use BT's fibre optic cables to make this happen.

Surely that means they will have more clout in attracting broadcasters to their platform?

JustaBloke 06-02-2014 15:03
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669730)
What is your problem?
I (and the others you've succeeded in winding up again this morning) have laid out our problem quite clearly. Post appropriately, and nobody will be on your back. But don't keep repeating the same old mistakes and expect not to get the same old responses. Unless of course, you're seeking those responses...

bamav 06-02-2014 15:04
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669747)
I agree that the country will be pretty fully cabled up within a few years, but surely what that means is that VM, Sky and the other operators will be on a level playing field at last in terms of access to customers and what they can provide. It means that VM will have a lot more customers than they do now because they will use BT's fibre optic cables to make this happen.

Surely that means they will have more clout in attracting broadcasters to their platform?
I hadn't considered that VM would also be a competitor on BT's network - would they though? I know they provide ADSL on BT's copper network. As mentioned before by others, it does come across as double-standards that VM don't open up their network for fair competition. Perhaps the national fibre roll-out is the reason they won't be forced to.

Chris 06-02-2014 15:10
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
VM have stopped selling 'National' ADSL. They still provision legacy customers IIRC.

RichardCoulter 06-02-2014 15:15
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Unless i'm mistaken, the total number of channels on the EPG has increased by one compared to yesterday.

I can't see anything extra that's been added, maybe it's just another music VOD barker channel? :confused:

Anybody know?

1andrew1 06-02-2014 15:20
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669747)
I agree that the country will be pretty fully cabled up within a few years, but surely what that means is that VM, Sky and the other operators will be on a level playing field at last in terms of access to customers and what they can provide. It means that VM will have a lot more customers than they do now because they will use BT's fibre optic cables to make this happen.

Surely that means they will have more clout in attracting broadcasters to their platform?
BT will have an advantage over Sky and TalkTalk as my understanding is that access to its fibre network is not price regulated whereas its ADSL network is price regulated. Whether VM decides to use BT's fibre network is an unknown, at the moment it no longer sells an ADSL product. It would seem a logical thing to do but it does confuse the offering slightly.

RichardCoulter 06-02-2014 15:21
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35669751)
VM have stopped selling 'National' ADSL. They still provision legacy customers IIRC.
I wondered if it was on it's way out. The last time I enquiried about getting it for a commercial property in Staffordshire where VM did not have a cable presence, I was told that they could not compete with their competitors and he more or less said not to bother considering Virgin National!

passingbat 06-02-2014 15:23
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35669631)
I think you've got to be careful with those figures Chad. Are they customers who are actually paying extra for YouView Pay-TV services or just those that have been issued with a free YouView box?

The evidence on eBay seems to suggest that there are lots and lots of people who have been issued with a YouView box by TT in particular, who are not using them. Note the number that are listed as unopened.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/TV-Recepti...0&_nkw=youview
Are these legal sales?

Will they work with any broadband connection or are they limited to work only with BT or Talk Talk (depending on the box origin)?

Media Boy UK 06-02-2014 15:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35669752)
Unless i'm mistaken, the total number of channels on the EPG has increased by one compared to yesterday.

I can't see anything extra that's been added, maybe it's just another music VOD barker channel? :confused:

Anybody know?
VM Playlist has been readded to Virgin Channel 309.

1andrew1 06-02-2014 15:37
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669756)
Are these legal sales?

Will they work with any broadband connection or are they limited to work only with BT or Talk Talk (depending on the box origin)?
Can't see why not, the boxes are owned by the customers so like Sky but unlike Virgin. They will work as a retail box outside TalkTalk and BT broadband connections. When connected to TalkTalk and BT, they will offer the other services that these two companies offer eg extra online channels and box sets. Otherwise they're still great PVRs with access to on-demand services from all the PSBs plus UKTV, SkyStore and Now TV Films.

Bananaman_007 06-02-2014 16:08
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35669654)
I was just thinking about this, and looking ahead to the start of the F1 season. The Australian Grand Prix is exclusively live on Sky Sports F1, lights out at 6am our time. Then the afternoon brings Man Utd v. Liverpool followed by Spurs v. Arsenal. I'm off as well - I'll gladly pay a tenner for all of that, to be honest I've given the BBC highlights a go for a couple of years but I've had enough of that now!

Has anybody used Now TV to watch live sport? What's the streaming quality like? I'm considering getting the box.
Don't pay £9.99 get a code off ebay for £3 sometimes they can be had for £2.50. I have a now tv box and think it is great, i use it to watch live US tv with the USTV Now app. The streaming quality is great, i have 60mb bb and it never buffers or drops in quality. Quality is equivalent to watching something on freeview

Media Boy UK 06-02-2014 16:18
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
February List update - February 6th update.

Keep up-to-date on the latest news on upcoming channel launches and other important events across all platforms of Virgin TV network.

NOTE: I DO NOT WORK FOR VIRGIN MEDIA SO ALL THE INFORMATION ON THIS LIST IS STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Colours on my list are as followed:

Media Boy = New Info just added.
Media Boy = Virgin Media News and links.
Media Boy = Other Media news/Things.

=== Coming up on Virgin's Digital TV ===
=== Freeviews on Virgin Media ===
Oct. 25th. Premier Sports is having an freeview to all M, M+, L and XL packages on Virgin Channel 551 right now until February 28th 2014.

=== February ===
7th. The BBC to relaunch BBC Red Button 2 for the Winter Olympics on Virgin Channel 992 today.
17th. Sky Movies Valentine will be rebrand back to Sky Movies Drama & Romance today on Virgin Channel 408.
17th. Sky Movies Valentine HD will be rebrand back to Sky Movies Drama & Romance HD today on Virgin Channel 438.
24th. The BBC to close BBC Red Button 2 after the Winter Olympics on Virgin Channel 992 today.
27th. Local TV broadcaster Made in Leeds hope to launch today on Virgin Channel 159.

=== March ===
1st. Premier Sports will cost £7.99 per month on Virgin Media from today.
31st. Local TV broadcaster London Live to launch on Virgin Channel 159 today.

=== April ===
No News...

=== May ===
No News...

=== June ===
No News...

=== July ===
No News...

=== August ===
No News...

=== September ===
No News...

=== October ===
No News...

=== November ===
No News...

=== December ===
No News...

=== NEW: Local TV on Virgin Media ===
-Local TV broadcaster Made in Bristol hope to launch sometime in 2014 on Virgin Channel 159.
-Local TV may launch on Virgin TV in some areas on Virgin Channel 159.

=== Unknown dates ===
-News 18 will soon launch on Virgin Media.
-Media Boy HQ has seen info that says an TV Channel is set to be close by it owner on Virgin Media.
-Sky to close Sky Arts 2 to launch Sky Bravo?
-The BBC will launch an BBC One +1 Channel.
-The BBC to axe BBC Radio 4 LW on Virgin Channel 911 ''in the long term''.
-The BBC hope to launch English regional variants of its existing BBC One HD service as well as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland editions of BBC Two HD - but still need to be approved by the BBC Trust.

=== New: Channels ONLY in Smallworld and UPC Ireland areas ===
List last updated on February 3rd 2014.

ONLY TV CHANNELS THAT ONLY BROADCAST IN THE UK ON OTHER NETWORKS WILL APPEAR ON THIS PART OF THE LIST.

ALSO THE FOLLOWING LIST OF CHANNELS IS CURRENTLY BROADCASTING ON SMALLWORLD CABLE OR UPC IRELAND BUT NOT ON VIRGIN MEDIA:

Entertainment:
-Pick TV +1*
-MTV +1*

Documentaries:
-History HD**
-Nat Geo Wild HD**
-CI HD**

Lifestyle:
-Travel Channel +1*
-Food Network +1*
-Ideal Extra*
-Wedding TV*
-Fashion TV**

Movies:
-Movies4Men*

Music:
-MTV Classic***
-Channel AKA*
-Greatist Hits TV*

News:
-CCTV News*
-Sky News HD**

Sports:
-Sky Sports News HD**

Kids:
-Disney Channel HD**

Specialist:
-EWTN**

Radio:
-UCB Ireland**

*Only in Smallworld areas.
**Only in UPC Ireland areas.
***Only in both Smallworld and UPC Ireland areas.

©copyright 2014 Media Boy 2006 - 2014. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

==== Virgin Media's Deals with broadcasters ===
List last updated on February 6th 2014.

Welcome to the all new look of this part of the list.

When deals with broadcasters run out Virgin Media need to sign new one to keep that Channel on Virgin TV.

Here is an list of channel that Virgin may get when they old deal runs out with that broadcaster:

Also Radio channels are broadcasting on Digital Radio via Freesat, Freeview, Freesat from Sky, Sky or UPC Ireland.

NOTE: Shopping Channels NOW ADDED to this list and only Broadcasts who has got some Channels broadcasting on Virgin Media right now appeared on this list.

To start broadcasting soon = That channel has still to start broadcasting on Sky, Freesat or Freeview.

=== TV and Radio Channels: ===
=== Own by A+E Networks UK (A+E Networks/British Sky Broadcasting) ===
-CI HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-CI +1
-HISTORY HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-Lifetime +1
-Lifetime HD

=== Own by Active Channel Limited ===
-The Active Channel

=== Own by ARY Group ===
-ARY Qtv
-ARY Oneworld

=== Bauer Radio ===
-Absolute Radio 90s (On Sky across the UK - May close in 2014 to make way for Heat Radio to launch on Sky.)
-Kisstory (On Freeview across the UK - Absolute Radio 80s may close in 2014 to make way for Kisstory to launch on both Sky and Virgin Media.)
-KissFresh (On Freeview across the UK. - Absolute Radio Classic Rock may close in 2014 to make way for KissFresh to launch on both Sky and Virgin Media.)
-Heat Radio (On Freeview across the UK.)
-The Hits Radio (On Freeview across the UK.)
-Kerrang! Radio (On Freeview across the UK - May close in 2014 to make way for Planet Rock to launch on Freeview.)

=== Own by British Sky Broadcasting ===
-Pick +1 (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).
-Sky1 +1
-Sky 3D
-Sky Atlantic
-Sky Atlantic +1
-Sky Atlantic HD
-Sky Bravo (Channel rumour to launch)
-Sky News HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-SkyPoker.com
-Sky Sports F1 HD
-Sky Sports 3 HD
-Sky Sports 4 HD
-Sky Sports News HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by British Sky Broadcasting/Abu Dhabi Media Investment Corporation ===
-Sky News Arabia

=== Own by CBS Studios International/Chellomedia (AMC Networks Inc) ===
-Reality TV

=== Own by Channel Four Television Corporation ===
-4Seven HD (Channel soon to start broadcasting.)

=== Own by CSC Media Group ===
-Bliss
-BuzMuzik
-Chart Show TV
-Chart Show TV Dance
-Flava
-Kix
-Kix +1
-POP
-Pop Girl
-Scuzz
-The Vault
-Tiny Pop +1

=== Own by Discovery Networks Western Europe ===
-TLC +2

=== Own by Disney-ABC Television Group ===
-Disney Channel HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-Disney Junior +
-Disney Junior HD
-Disney XD HD

=== Own by Eternal Word Television Network ===
-EWTN TV (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-EWTN Radio Europe

=== Own by Fox International Channels (21st Century Fox) ===
-Fox News Channel

=== Own by Global Music Television (Global Radio) ===
-Capital FM TV
-Heart FM TV

=== Own by Ideal Shopping Direct plc ===
-Create & Craft Extra
-Ideal Extra (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).

=== Own by ITV Digital Channels Ltd (ITV plc) ===
-ITV Encore
-ITV Encore HD
-ITV Encore +1

Both ITV Encore HD and ITV Encore +1 has not been confirmed as set to launch but base on other ITV Channels we at Media Boy HQ thinks they will.

=== Own by ITV Digital Channels Ltd (ITV plc) and JML Direct Ltd ===
-The Store

=== Own by Michel Adam Lisowski ===
-Fashion TV (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Moving Movies Ltd. (CSC Media Group) ===
-True Drama
-True Movies 2

=== Own by NGC-UK Partnership (National Geographic Society/Fox International Channels [21st Century Fox]) ===
-Nat Wild HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Nickelodeon UK (Viacom International Media Networks Europe/BSkyB) ===
-Nick Jr. +1

=== Own by Paramount UK Partnership (Paramount British Pictures/British Sky Broadcasting) ===
-Comedy Central Extra +1

=== Own by Phoenix Television ===
-Phoenix CNE

=== Own by QVC (Liberty Interactive Corporation - Liberty Media) ===
-QVC Beauty
-QVC Extra
-QVC Style

=== Own by Raidió Teilifís Éireann ===
-RTÉ 2fm (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-RTÉ Ireland (Channel soon to launch for viewers in England, Scotland and Wales).
-RTÉ lyric fm (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Scripps Networks Interactive ===
-Food Network +1 (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).

=== Own by Sony Pictures Television ===
-More>Movies
-More>Movies +1
-Movies 4 Men (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).
-Movies 4 Men +1
-Sony Entertainment Television +1
-Sony Movie Channel
-Sony Movie Channel +1

=== Own by STAR TV (21st Century Fox) ===
-STAR Jalsha
-STAR Plus HD

=== Own by Travel Channel International Ltd. (Scripps Networks Interactive) ===
-Travel Channel + 1 (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).

=== Own by Turner Broadcasting System (Time Warner) ===
-Test line

=== Own by United Christian Broadcasters ===
-UCB TV
-UCB Bible
-UCB Gospel
-UCB Inspiration
-UCB Ireland (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Universal Networks International ===
-E! HD
-E! +1
-Universal Channel HD

=== Own by Viacom ===
-BET: Black Ent Tv +1

=== Own by Viacom International Media Networks (Europe) ===
-MTV CLASSIC (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland and Smallworld areas right now).
-MTV LIVE
-MTV +1 (Broadcasts in Smallworld areas right now).

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muppetman11 06-02-2014 16:26
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35669768)
Don't pay £9.99 get a code off ebay for £3 sometimes they can be had for £2.50. I have a now tv box and think it is great, i use it to watch live US tv with the USTV Now app. The streaming quality is great, i have 60mb bb and it never buffers or drops in quality. Quality is equivalent to watching something on freeview
https://shop.nowtv.com

Or buy the Now TV box and get it with 5 Sky Sports day passes for £34.95 , or better still treat yourself to some Carling to watch it and get a free pass. :D

theone2k10 06-02-2014 17:17
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.

---------- Post added at 16:17 ---------- Previous post was at 16:00 ----------

VUTV is now fully up and running. http://www.vutv.com/how-vutv-works/ a good idea imo for those who don't want Sky or vm etc but would like a few extra channels.

Media Boy UK 06-02-2014 17:28
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35668651)
Over the past weekend I have seen information about an Channel that broadcast on Virgin Media right now is set to close.

Cant say anymore right now due to an 'Do Not Post' order.
I have today seen rumours that Sky Livingit may close (Info from an old Rumour poster).

passingbat 06-02-2014 17:33
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.
.
Very interesting. Let the theories begin ;) I suppose a Now TV app on VM that only has Atlantic on, at a cost below the normal Now TV Entertainment price, could be a possibility? (We don't need the rest of the Entertainment pack channels on VM as we already have them). BTW, I read somewhere that the Entertainment pack on Now TV will go up to £8.99 at some stage. The £4.99 is classed as an introductory price.

JustaBloke 06-02-2014 17:38
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669756)
Are these legal sales?

Will they work with any broadband connection or are they limited to work only with BT or Talk Talk (depending on the box origin)?
Difficult to call. I would think they've been issued under a 12 month contract agreement so technically they could still be recalled by TT. But as long as the seller continues to pay TT, how will they know. As TT just give them out whether you want one or not, this was bound to happen. If you bought one, you'd have bought it legally. I've never kept a mobile phone for longer than about 6 months, I've always sold them to get the latest and greatest. But as long as I pay my contract, nobody cares.

As for working, yes they do. They're a very cheap way of buying a Freeview HD PVR with catchup. You can get Netflix and Now TV on them too (not sure about Lovefilm or Blinkbox).

That's what I believe to be true. If you're thinking about buying, I'd pop into somewhere like the DS YouView forum first to check. Enjoy. :)

nodrogd 06-02-2014 17:48
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35669634)
Are we only getting BBC red button channels in sd for the Winter Olympics, not hd?
SD on Red Button streams on 991 & 992.
HD on BBC2, & via the Connected Red Button (TiVO only)

RichardCoulter 06-02-2014 17:50
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.

---------- Post added at 16:17 ---------- Previous post was at 16:00 ----------

VUTV is now fully up and running. http://www.vutv.com/how-vutv-works/ a good idea imo for those who don't want Sky or vm etc but would like a few extra channels.
Maybe allowing VM customers to purchase access to Sky Atlantic via an app is a way that both companies can save face and meet each other half way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35669757)
VM Playlist has been readded to Virgin Channel 309.
Thanks, I wondered what had been added.

denphone 06-02-2014 17:55
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.

---------- Post added at 16:17 ---------- Previous post was at 16:00 ----------

VUTV is now fully up and running. http://www.vutv.com/how-vutv-works/ a good idea imo for those who don't want Sky or vm etc but would like a few extra channels.
Well the proof is in the pudding and as such l am still waiting patiently waiting for that pudding to arrive.

gba93 06-02-2014 17:57
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35669825)
Well the proof is in the pudding and as such l am still waiting patiently waiting for that pudding to arrive.
Think positive Den - all good things, etc, etc :)

denphone 06-02-2014 18:05
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35669826)
Think positive Den - all good things, etc, etc :)
l am thinking positively dear chap but l cannot see that happening anytime soon unless Chad and Muppetman those two great stalwarts of this forum know something we don't.;):D

gba93 06-02-2014 18:20
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35669829)
l am thinking positively dear chap but l cannot see that happening anytime soon unless Chad and Muppetman those two great stalwarts of this forum know something we don't.;):D
If only they'd tell ;)

denphone 06-02-2014 18:25
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35669834)
If only they'd tell ;)
Chads a wizard with his crystal ball predictions that's for sure.:D

harry_hitch 06-02-2014 18:54
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669711)

[/COLOR]They already have the advantage with Netflix. How many shows would you watch on Sky Atlantic compared with the huge variety of material on Netflix? There's no comparison.[COLOR="Silver"]
Erm, anyone with Sky can watch Netflix content in a variety of different ways. Not sure how it is an advantage for VM.

---------- Post added at 17:52 ---------- Previous post was at 17:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669730)
What is your problem? If you read my last post, you will see that I said:

As far as Sky Atlantic is concerned, of course there is some uncertainty about this, because we are not privy to these delicate negotiations and we are reliant on what comes out of the media.

Of course Sky Atlantic is exclusive at the moment. Nobody's arguing with you. However, you seem to want to argue for the sake of it.

I get it, we all get it, you don't believe SA is coming. You are entitled to your opinion as am I.

Now stop trolling and post something useful for once.
Can't see where justabloke was being a troll. His response seemed pretty reasonable to me.

---------- Post added at 17:54 ---------- Previous post was at 17:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35669821)
Maybe allowing VM customers to purchase access to Sky Atlantic via an app is a way that both companies can save face and meet each other half way.
I am inclined to agree with your thoughts on the matter.

denphone 06-02-2014 18:56
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Its is a advantage in that it is seamlessly is incorporated into the TiVo STB and as such many see that as a advantage Harry.

ozsat 06-02-2014 19:00
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
You don't need a broadband or wireless network subscription to watch Netflix on TiVo.

Nobody with Sky can watch Netflix unless they also have broadband or a wireless network connection.

My mum has no broadband as she has no computer - so Netflix on TiVo is an advantage.
Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35669836)
Erm, anyone with Sky can watch Netflix content in a variety of different ways. Not sure how it is an advantage for VM.

cityfan247 06-02-2014 20:01
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
seems to have gone quiet on any new channels coming.

I thought the 'missing' channels on LG's UPC Ireland were supposed to be coming- that was months ago- any update of when this might actually happen?

as LG have now also taken over Smallworld are there any other channels we could expect to come to VM soon?

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:12
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35669749)
I (and the others you've succeeded in winding up again this morning) have laid out our problem quite clearly. Post appropriately, and nobody will be on your back. But don't keep repeating the same old mistakes and expect not to get the same old responses. Unless of course, you're seeking those responses...
Did you actually read my posts? Can't see how I am winding you up. Best you start taking the tablets again. For heaven's sake, let's move on. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Simples.

---------- Post added at 19:12 ---------- Previous post was at 19:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by bamav (Post 35669750)
I hadn't considered that VM would also be a competitor on BT's network - would they though? I know they provide ADSL on BT's copper network. As mentioned before by others, it does come across as double-standards that VM don't open up their network for fair competition. Perhaps the national fibre roll-out is the reason they won't be forced to.
They would have nothing to lose and lots of new customers to gain, so I don't see why they wouldn't pay to use BT's network. It's certainly cheaper than more road digging.

passingbat 06-02-2014 20:15
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669760)
Can't see why not, the boxes are owned by the customers so like Sky but unlike Virgin. They will work as a retail box outside TalkTalk and BT broadband connections. When connected to TalkTalk and BT, they will offer the other services that these two companies offer eg extra online channels and box sets. Otherwise they're still great PVRs with access to on-demand services from all the PSBs plus UKTV, SkyStore and Now TV Films.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35669814)
Difficult to call. I would think they've been issued under a 12 month contract agreement so technically they could still be recalled by TT. But as long as the seller continues to pay TT, how will they know. As TT just give them out whether you want one or not, this was bound to happen. If you bought one, you'd have bought it legally. I've never kept a mobile phone for longer than about 6 months, I've always sold them to get the latest and greatest. But as long as I pay my contract, nobody cares.

As for working, yes they do. They're a very cheap way of buying a Freeview HD PVR with catchup. You can get Netflix and Now TV on them too (not sure about Lovefilm or Blinkbox).

That's what I believe to be true. If you're thinking about buying, I'd pop into somewhere like the DS YouView forum first to check. Enjoy. :)

Thanks for the info guys.

I'm not particularly looking for one, but the post about the cheap prices sparked my interest and thought it would be good to know the score in case I do decide to take a punt on a cheap one in the future.

BTW, are you sure you can get Netflix on the Youview boxes?

1andrew1 06-02-2014 20:21
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669899)
BTW, are you sure you can get Netflix on the Youview boxes?
You can't at the moment and there have been no announcements to say it's coming to YouView.

muppetman11 06-02-2014 20:22
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669899)
Thanks for the info guys.

I'm not particularly looking for one, but the post about the cheap prices sparked my interest and thought it would be good to know the score in case I do decide to take a punt on a cheap one in the future.

BTW, are you sure you can get Netflix on the Youview boxes?
You cannot currently get Netflix on YouView.

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35669836)
Erm, anyone with Sky can watch Netflix content in a variety of different ways. Not sure how it is an advantage for VM.

---------- Post added at 17:52 ---------- Previous post was at 17:32 ----------



Can't see where justabloke was being a troll. His response seemed pretty reasonable to me
I agree that Netflix can be watched in different ways, but many people don't want to watch it on computer screens and those with other devices are in the minority at present. I think very many people will see Netflix on VM as a good facility, and as they add more, like Lovefilm, VM will become the platform of choice for a lot more people.

As for Blokey, he can have a go at me if he likes, but actually I gave him nothing to complain about. I do not know what it was in that post that sparked him off yet again, but it doesn't take much, and it has become personal for him. However, I guess that's his problem. I shan't be responding to any more of his posts in case I give him an apoplectic attack.

---------- Post added at 19:27 ---------- Previous post was at 19:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669813)
Very interesting. Let the theories begin ;) I suppose a Now TV app on VM that only has Atlantic on, at a cost below the normal Now TV Entertainment price, could be a possibility? (We don't need the rest of the Entertainment pack channels on VM as we already have them). BTW, I read somewhere that the Entertainment pack on Now TV will go up to £8.99 at some stage. The £4.99 is classed as an introductory price.
It doesn't need to be an app though, surely? They can just add it to the Sky Anytime On Demand menu.

Gunslinger 06-02-2014 20:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cityfan247 (Post 35669888)
seems to have gone quiet on any new channels coming.

I thought the 'missing' channels on LG's UPC Ireland were supposed to be coming- that was months ago- any update of when this might actually happen?

as LG have now also taken over Smallworld are there any other channels we could expect to come to VM soon?
Maybe. But it depends on rights issues and when contracts next come up to renew. Ireland is a different rights market anyway, and just because VM buy Smallworld doesn't mean it buys the rights to distribute its content over a much bigger customer base.

How long did it take fully to harmonise NTL and C&W, or NTL and Telewest content when those companies merged?

1andrew1 06-02-2014 20:30
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.
Would that not just be HBO on Demand?

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:33
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669913)
Would that not just be HBO on Demand?
Sounds like it. I would settle for that rather than Sky Atlantic if that's the deal they've done, but the bit I don't like is that the programmes are on there for only a month. That would cramp my viewing style a bit, but I'm sure I'd cope!

harry_hitch 06-02-2014 20:34
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35669848)
Its is a advantage in that it is seamlessly is incorporated into the TiVo STB and as such many see that as a advantage Harry.
I know see that is somewhat of an advantage Den, but equally Sky viewers can seamlessly watch SA on their STB. VM users would have to watch via the internet or a NOW TV box.

Also, if people have smart TV's the app may well be on their TV's too.

Imho, this evens out the TIVO Netflix app "advantage".

passingbat 06-02-2014 20:34
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669711)


They already have the advantage with Netflix. How many shows would you watch on Sky Atlantic compared with the huge variety of material on Netflix? There's no comparison.

.
But here is the difference: it's easy to get Netflix on any number of devices, many of them already in many people's home: PS3, Xbox, Wii, Smart TV, Bluray players, Tablets, computers etc.

HBO shows are nowhere near as easy to get. Up until recently the only way was to move to Sky Satellite. Netflix will not carry HBO content for the next five years at least in the UK and most likely not in any other Netflix region.

Atlantic would be the better option for VM to have over Netflix if they had had a free choice to pick just one purely because it is dead easy to get Netflix by other means. The fact that Atlantic shows brand new shows rather than shows at least one season behind (excluding Netflix originals) is also a point in favour of Atlantic.

Therefore, Sky having Atlantic and not Netflix is better than VM having Netflix and not Atlantic, in my view.

denphone 06-02-2014 20:34
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35669912)
Maybe. But it depends on rights issues and when contracts next come up to renew. Ireland is a different rights market anyway, and just because VM buy Smallworld doesn't mean it buys the rights to distribute its content over a much bigger customer base.

How long did it take fully to harmonise NTL and C&W, or NTL and Telewest content when those companies merged?
From what l remember these integrations take longer then you think and perhaps Ben or Spiderplant might have the relevant correct information.

harry_hitch 06-02-2014 20:43
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35669850)
You don't need a broadband or wireless network subscription to watch Netflix on TiVo.

Nobody with Sky can watch Netflix unless they also have broadband or a wireless network connection.

My mum has no broadband as she has no computer - so Netflix on TiVo is an advantage.
That sir, is a very good point.

I imagine not many customers would live without BB in this day and age, but for those who don't, Netflix via TIVO is a distinct advantage

I doth my proverbial cap to you:)

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:44
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669916)
But here is the difference: it's easy to get Netflix on any number of devices, many of them already in many people's home: PS3, Xbox, Wii, Smart TV, Bluray players, Tablets, computers etc.

HBO shows are nowhere near as easy to get. Up until recently the only way was to move to Sky Satellite. Netflix will not carry HBO content for the next five years at least in the UK and most likely not in any other Netflix region.

Atlantic would be the better option for VM to have over Netflix if they had had a free choice to pick just one purely because it is dead easy to get Netflix by other means. The fact that Atlantic shows brand new shows rather than shows at least one season behind (excluding Netflix originals) is also a point in favour of Atlantic.

Therefore, Sky having Atlantic and not Netflix is better than VM having Netflix and not Atlantic, in my view.
Yes, I understand your point, although I know which I would choose, but that's me. Good point about the Smart TVs, though.

If HBO On Demand came to Virgin as indicated in another recent post however, that would be a good substitute for Sky Atlantic, don't you think?

harry_hitch 06-02-2014 20:49
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669910)
I agree that Netflix can be watched in different ways, but many people don't want to watch it on computer screens and those with other devices are in the minority at present. I think very many people will see Netflix on VM as a good facility, and as they add more, like Lovefilm, VM will become the platform of choice for a lot more people.

As for Blokey, he can have a go at me if he likes, but actually I gave him nothing to complain about. I do not know what it was in that post that sparked him off yet again, but it doesn't take much, and it has become personal for him. However, I guess that's his problem. I shan't be responding to any more of his posts in case I give him an apoplectic attack.

---------- Post added at 19:27 ---------- Previous post was at 19:24 ----------

It doesn't need to be an app though, surely? They can just add it to the Sky Anytime On Demand menu.
It is a good facility, and I agree that if VM do launch Lovefilm and/or NOWTV then it probably will be a much better option than Sky's current STB.

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:51
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
That's the best news I've heard this year so far! This may well be the historic compromise that we've been waiting for!

Let us know if you hear any more, like when it might be coming!:)

passingbat 06-02-2014 20:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669913)
Would that not just be HBO on Demand?
It does sound that way. But in the states, as I understand it, you can only use HBO On Demand if you already subscribe to HBO via your cable/satellite provider; HBO have always resisted launching a stand alone service.

In other parts of the world that isn't the case, e.g. HBONordic.

It does make you wonder what is going on. I'm sure Sky wouldn't be too pleased if HBO sold directly to VM rather than via Sky.

Maybe if HBO do sell directly to VM it will be a separate premium charge; Sky can advertise that they offer HBO shows free and VM charge for them; just like VM advertise that BT Sport free on VM and it's chargeable on Sky. But Sky have paid an awful lot of money for something that is not exclusive, so I find that hard to believe

All wild speculation, but it's going to be fun working out what is going on (if anything).

OLD BOY 06-02-2014 20:55
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669926)
It does sound that way. But in the states, as I understand it, you can only use HBO On Demand if you already subscribe to HBO via your cable/satellite provider; HBO have always resisted launching a stand alone service.

In other parts of the world that isn't the case, e.g. HBONordic.

It does make you wonder what is going on. I'm sure Sky wouldn't be too pleased if HBO sold directly to VM rather than via Sky.

Maybe if HBO do sell directly to VM it will be a separate premium charge; Sky can advertise that they offer HBO shows free and VM charge for them; just like VM advertise that BT Sport free on VM and it's chargeable on Sky. But Sky have paid an awful lot of money for something that is not exclusive, so I find that hard to believe

All wild speculation, but it's going to be fun working out what is going on (if anything).
I agree with all of that. But it would be a face saver for Sky, because they can still say that Sky Atlantic is exclusive to their platforms. I'm not sure how many people out there really get the connection with HBO.

muppetman11 06-02-2014 20:56
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669913)
Would that not just be HBO on Demand?
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669920)
If HBO On Demand came to Virgin as indicated in another recent post however, that would be a good substitute for Sky Atlantic, don't you think?
How could that launch in this country ?

As far as I'm aware Sky Atlantic has the exclusive linear and On Demand subscription rights for HBO content in the UK.

passingbat 06-02-2014 21:00
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669920)
If HBO On Demand came to Virgin as indicated in another recent post however, that would be a good substitute for Sky Atlantic, don't you think?

I think it would be fine except that it would be chargeable. VM customers get one Premium service free (BT sport) but have to pay for another (HBO). That doesn't seem fair, and one of the reasons I'm planning to dump the TV side soon. Still it would be better than the situation we have now. And as or the fact that it would be HBO shows only, personally, I have little interest in the Sky produced content on Atlantic.

denphone 06-02-2014 21:00
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Hmmmmm all the excitement and speculation is making me dizzy :spin::spin: and one must hope this speculation as such does not fall flat on its face like all the rumours we had before...

passingbat 06-02-2014 21:04
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35669929)
How could that launch in this country ?

As far as I'm aware Sky Atlantic has the exclusive linear and On Demand subscription rights for HBO content in the UK.
That's what I don't get. Which means it could be another false hope rumour that has no foundation in fact. Still it's fun speculating and talking about.

JustaBloke 06-02-2014 21:14
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35669904)
You can't at the moment and there have been no announcements to say it's coming to YouView.
I stand corrected. :dunce:

passingbat 06-02-2014 21:24
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35669938)
I stand corrected. :dunce:
Just pretend you've had insider info and it's coming soon to Youview.

Do a few more similar posts, and in a few weeks time, it will definitely be coming :D

JustaBloke 06-02-2014 21:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35669939)
Just pretend you've had insider info and it's coming soon to Youview.

Do a few more similar posts, and in a few weeks time, it will definitely be coming :D
It is. And don't you dare ask me how I know. I'm not going down that path!... :D

andy_m 06-02-2014 22:31
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
If now tv did launch on TiVo, am I right in thinking that the youview implementation doesn't allow for the sky sports day pass, just the movies?

paultrademark 06-02-2014 22:42
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35669929)
How could that launch in this country ?

As far as I'm aware Sky Atlantic has the exclusive linear and On Demand subscription rights for HBO content in the UK.
It can't basically.

1andrew1 06-02-2014 22:43
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35669978)
If now tv did launch on TiVo, am I right in thinking that the youview implementation doesn't allow for the sky sports day pass, just the movies?
The generic version of Now TV on retail and BT boxes does not allow for live channels so no live Sky Sports, Entertainment or Movies. This is because online channels are broadcast via multicast so have to be sent from the customer's ISP and could not be sent by Sky. Recently, TalkTalk has signed a deal with Sky to send the Sky Sports channels by this method.

harry_hitch 06-02-2014 23:25
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35669929)
How could that launch in this country ?

As far as I'm aware Sky Atlantic has the exclusive linear and On Demand subscription rights for HBO content in the UK.
I have not done any research so may look a bit silly here, but is it possible the new SA deal superceded the old one with immediate effect, and HBO have written into the new contract that whilst Sky can have the new programming as exclusives but Sky can no longer have exclusive on-demand rights?

HBO may have realized that they can probably make more by selling on-demand rights to non-Sky customers.

EDIT:

Having read the press release, Sky state that Sky Atlantic remains the exclusive home of first run HBO programming, but do not state on demand as exclusive. They do state that on-demand services are available, but there is no mention of exclusivity. Interesting times ahead.

Chad 06-02-2014 23:39
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35669787)
Just had a memo this is not Sky Atlantic coming to VM BTW so don't get excited. Anyway the memo is "coming soon watch all your favourite HBO content on demand on Virgin Media and other providers."
To me this is just adding more fuel to the Nowtv app that is rumoured to be coming to VM this year.
Blinkbox app to launch?

http://www.blinkbox.com/tv/collections/hbo-(241)

Blinkbox has HBO content. Michael Comish, Group Digital Officer at Tesco and co-founder of blinkbox stated last month:

“We expect to see further growth in tablets, games consoles and Smart TVs in 2014 and will be focusing hard on bringing access to great entertainment into more and more homes via the most popular devices.”

I'm sure he is fully aware that Netflix launched on TiVo. It's been long reported that Liberty Global are open to more video on demand services launching.

Of course if Blinkbox can sell HBO shows on an on demand basis in the UK, clearly this isn't a rights window that has been snapped up by SKY. If that is the case then what would stop HBO offering their content, in the same way as Blinkbox, on the Virgin Media platform? Sure not too many people want to be paying to watch a show per episode, but at least you've have access to the content should you want to watch it.

OLD BOY 07-02-2014 00:05
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
I would pay a subscription, but not PPV. The HBO on demand pure and simple would do me nicely.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35669996)
Blinkbox app to launch?

http://www.blinkbox.com/tv/collections/hbo-(241)

Blinkbox has HBO content. Michael Comish, Group Digital Officer at Tesco and co-founder of blinkbox stated last month:

“We expect to see further growth in tablets, games consoles and Smart TVs in 2014 and will be focusing hard on bringing access to great entertainment into more and more homes via the most popular devices.”

I'm sure he is fully aware that Netflix launched on TiVo. It's been long reported that Liberty Global are open to more video on demand services launching.

Of course if Blinkbox can sell HBO shows on an on demand basis in the UK, clearly this isn't a rights window that has been snapped up by SKY. If that is the case then what would stop HBO offering their content, in the same way as Blinkbox, on the Virgin Media platform? Sure not too many people want to be paying to watch a show per episode, but at least you've have access to the content should you want to watch it.

theone2k10 07-02-2014 00:12
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35669996)
Blinkbox app to launch?

http://www.blinkbox.com/tv/collections/hbo-(241)

Blinkbox has HBO content. Michael Comish, Group Digital Officer at Tesco and co-founder of blinkbox stated last month:

“We expect to see further growth in tablets, games consoles and Smart TVs in 2014 and will be focusing hard on bringing access to great entertainment into more and more homes via the most popular devices.”

I'm sure he is fully aware that Netflix launched on TiVo. It's been long reported that Liberty Global are open to more video on demand services launching.

Of course if Blinkbox can sell HBO shows on an on demand basis in the UK, clearly this isn't a rights window that has been snapped up by SKY. If that is the case then what would stop HBO offering their content, in the same way as Blinkbox, on the Virgin Media platform? Sure not too many people want to be paying to watch a show per episode, but at least you've have access to the content should you want to watch it.
Good call Chad it could be that yes.I currently use Blinkbox for movies they do 99p Mondays which these week included Pacific Rim. As soon as i find out anything more i'll let you guys know but i must stress take it as a rumour for now, nothing is gurenteed until it is on the EPG or Apps.

Media Boy UK 07-02-2014 00:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35669912)
Maybe. But it depends on rights issues and when contracts next come up to renew. Ireland is a different rights market anyway, and just because VM buy Smallworld doesn't mean it buys the rights to distribute its content over a much bigger customer base.

How long did it take fully to harmonise NTL and C&W, or NTL and Telewest content when those companies merged?
It took Virgin Media 6years and 7months to harmonise all the Ex-NTL and Ex-Telewest areas.

The last channels to harmonise was both WRN Radio and RTE UK Radio in old NTL areas on September 6th 2013.

http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...-channels.html

Virgin Media did launch on Feb. 8th 2007.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ebruary-8.html

Anypermitedroute 07-02-2014 09:53
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35669711)
As for Sky Bravo not existing - well it doesn't at the moment, but Sky want to launch it when they can get VM to agree, so there's a negotiation there to be had as well. Sky Bravo is a prospective male orientated channel and has nothing to do with ITV Encore.

You may be interested in the link below as you seem to think that Sky Bravo is a figment of my imagination.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...nnel-itv4-dave[COLOR="Silver"]
Thank you for the link, your mistaken if you think I thought you made it up, what I am putting to you is that you are interpreting this story as fact without any firm basis of confirmation from either party involved and then taking this interpretation into other hypothesis of other collaboration involvement that could lead to agreement to acquire other channels. I'm afraid that is very flawed thinking.

As I put it to you before they (sky) have demonstrated the ability to go it alone on exclusives and where a deal is required they are tying into providers such as HBO and ITV, in fact you could argue sky Atlantic was created because of the tie in with HBO.

If sky bravo was to be a rival to itv4 do you think itv would of agree a tie-in?

Now that they have other avenues to market such as IPTV sky does not need virgin as the sad fact us the 3 million or so customers (yes I am guessing the numbers don't hold me to it) is not of great interest when they can go straight to the consumer; via conventional satellite or now through IPTV which I believe is the future.

I do feel that sky bravo, if it were at all exist in any shape of form will not be seen for many many years to come , now if we started a hypothesis that sky wish for VM to take on sky Vegas and sky poker as this would create additional revenue for sky and in turn provide additional funds for VM to acquire sky Atlantic at least it's a hypothesis between channels that exist. I leave that for everyone else to decide

RichardCoulter 07-02-2014 10:17
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35670020)
It took Virgin Media 6years and 7months to harmonise all the Ex-NTL and Ex-Telewest areas.

The last channels to harmonise was both WRN Radio and RTE UK Radio in old NTL areas on September 6th 2013.

http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...-channels.html

Virgin Media did launch on Feb. 8th 2007.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...ebruary-8.html
Apart from the WRN and RTE Radio stations, all the channels were aligned much earlier than September 2013. If my memory serves me correctly, possibly years!

muppetman11 07-02-2014 10:37
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35669996)
Of course if Blinkbox can sell HBO shows on an on demand basis in the UK, clearly this isn't a rights window that has been snapped up by SKY. If that is the case then what would stop HBO offering their content, in the same way as Blinkbox, on the Virgin Media platform? Sure not too many people want to be paying to watch a show per episode, but at least you've have access to the content should you want to watch it.
Blinkbox rights allow them to display HBO content for purchase , Sky holds the exclusive linear , On Demand and streaming subscription rights for the UK the two are completely different.

Bananaman_007 07-02-2014 11:01
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
It has to be some kind of PPV service, HBO content is also on the Google Play store so i could quite easily see a TIVO app. Episodes are £1.89 each on google play. I wonder if they will do something like £10 free credit when you sign up to get people interested and use to using the service

OLD BOY 07-02-2014 13:35
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35670051)
Thank you for the link, your mistaken if you think I thought you made it up, what I am putting to you is that you are interpreting this story as fact without any firm basis of confirmation from either party involved and then taking this interpretation into other hypothesis of other collaboration involvement that could lead to agreement to acquire other channels. I'm afraid that is very flawed thinking.

As I put it to you before they (sky) have demonstrated the ability to go it alone on exclusives and where a deal is required they are tying into providers such as HBO and ITV, in fact you could argue sky Atlantic was created because of the tie in with HBO.

If sky bravo was to be a rival to itv4 do you think itv would of agree a tie-in?

Now that they have other avenues to market such as IPTV sky does not need virgin as the sad fact us the 3 million or so customers (yes I am guessing the numbers don't hold me to it) is not of great interest when they can go straight to the consumer; via conventional satellite or now through IPTV which I believe is the future.

I do feel that sky bravo, if it were at all exist in any shape of form will not be seen for many many years to come , now if we started a hypothesis that sky wish for VM to take on sky Vegas and sky poker as this would create additional revenue for sky and in turn provide additional funds for VM to acquire sky Atlantic at least it's a hypothesis between channels that exist. I leave that for everyone else to decide
Interesting view, but may I remind you that I am not presenting anything as 'fact'. I am commenting on the news story about Sky Bravo and speculating from there. I am not doing anything anyone else doesn't do on here on a regular basis and I certainly don't post about 'insiders' and 'Virgin Media viewers'. If for some reason you think those posts are more credible than media reports, I suppose you are entitled to your view.

Once again, I have to point out that nothing is certain until the players concerned both confirm it and so virtually the whole of the 'Coming Soon' thread is speculation to a large extent. That is a given, and if we all had to keep repeating ourselves to make that clear, this thread would get a bit tedious, don't you think?

I think the point you have made about ITV not agreeing a link in if Sky Bravo was launched is in itself flawed thinking and not backed up by facts. I accept it is your view, however, and I believe you will be proved wrong, but we'll see.

Anypermitedroute 07-02-2014 15:24
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
fair enough old boy,i think we will have to agree to disagree on this and for the sake of sanity agree to move on, we both have strong differentiating view that we will not be able to persuade the other otherwise

:Peaceman:

but sky Poker is coming :)

solitaire 07-02-2014 17:10
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35670067)
It has to be some kind of PPV service, HBO content is also on the Google Play store so i could quite easily see a TIVO app. Episodes are £1.89 each on google play. I wonder if they will do something like £10 free credit when you sign up to get people interested and use to using the service
If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.

denphone 07-02-2014 17:13
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35670145)
If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.
Yes l quite agree as the PPV model would be much more expensive wherever if it was available for such and such a month l think there would be many more takers.

JustaBloke 07-02-2014 18:15
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35670145)
If HBO content were to be made available on VM, I would much prefer it be made an extra subscription (say £5 a month) rather than it be made a PPV model. I know some people will argue the PPV case, but I would rather be able to access all the available content. Each to his own of course.
I don't think you'll find that many people will argue the PPV case. But if we get any HBO content, that's how we're most likely to get it.

passingbat 07-02-2014 18:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35670158)
I don't think you'll find that many people will argue the PPV case. But if we get any HBO content, that's how we're most likely to get it.

With their restrictive practices of making HBO content available in the UK, HBO deserve all the illegal downloading they get (and I pay for the HBO content I watch).

When will these companies learn; make content available through several outlets and most people will gladly pay.

PPV just isn't economically practical for TV shows with many seasons and episodes.

I stand to be corrected, but as I understand it, HBO content is available as a premium subscription on most cable and satellite services in the US. Why haven't HBO adopted the same delivery method in the UK? Probably greed.

Chris 07-02-2014 19:10
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Probably because Sky paid them through the nose for exclusivity. HBO don't care where the money comes from so long as it comes. And it has come from Sky.

They know their shows are subject to much downloading but (while they would never admit it) I reckon they don't care because they think the Sky deal, and a few DVD sales, are making them as much money as they could reasonably hope to wring out of the UK market.

harry_hitch 08-02-2014 02:39
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35670067)
It has to be some kind of PPV service, HBO content is also on the Google Play store so i could quite easily see a TIVO app. Episodes are £1.89 each on google play. I wonder if they will do something like £10 free credit when you sign up to get people interested and use to using the service
I have still to see where Sky have exclusive On demand rights.

In addition to linear broadcast, the output deal supports a broad range of multiplatform rights, ensuring HBO content will continue to be available live and on demand not just on TV, but online and on mobile through Sky Go. Sky Atlantic is also available live and on demand through NOW TV, Sky's new internet TV service.


The output deal simply states that HBO content will continue to be supported for the other Sky platforms (NOW TV and Sky Go) in terms of both live and on-demand content.

They do not state on-demand HBO content is exclusive. SA live content is clearly exclusive, but I will happily wait for anyone to correct me and say where on-demand content is exclusive too. The whole statement is really rather ambiguous in my (very uneducated) eyes.

In my (very uneducated) eyes, HBO could easily launch their own paid for on-demand service, and stop massive amounts of piracy whilst still keeping Sky customers happy with the same content free of charge.

---------- Post added at 01:39 ---------- Previous post was at 01:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35670090)
Interesting view, but may I remind you that I am not presenting anything as 'fact'. I am commenting on the news story about Sky Bravo and speculating from there. I am not doing anything anyone else doesn't do on here on a regular basis and I certainly don't post about 'insiders' and 'Virgin Media viewers'. If for some reason you think those posts are more credible than media reports, I suppose you are entitled to your view.

Once again, I have to point out that nothing is certain until the players concerned both confirm it and so virtually the whole of the 'Coming Soon' thread is speculation to a large extent. That is a given, and if we all had to keep repeating ourselves to make that clear, this thread would get a bit tedious, don't you think?

I think the point you have made about ITV not agreeing a link in if Sky Bravo was launched is in itself flawed thinking and not backed up by facts. I accept it is your view, however, and I believe you will be proved wrong, but we'll see.
Why do you feel random and infrequent press reports are more believable than "insiders" giving out information?

Surely the media information you hold in such high regard comes from "insiders" too? I have yet to see an official statement in any form of press release from Sky or VM saying they are in talks over future channel releases.

I would also doubt greatly that the press are allowed in negotiation meetings between the two, further highlighting the fact any media reports come from "insiders" and thusly making media reports less reliable still.

Even Media Boy is no longer posting anything from "VM viewers" due to the lack of evidence given from said viewers. Why you have used this point is beyond me.

You seem quite happy to make a rod for your back on this subject, and I simply can not understand why.

Still good luck with it all.:)

JustaBloke 08-02-2014 04:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35670269)
Why do you feel random and infrequent press reports are more believable than "insiders" giving out information?

Surely the media information you hold in such high regard comes from "insiders" too? I have yet to see an official statement in any form of press release from Sky or VM saying they are in talks over future channel releases.

I would also doubt greatly that the press are allowed in negotiation meetings between the two, further highlighting the fact any media reports come from "insiders" and thusly making media reports less reliable still.

Even Media Boy is no longer posting anything from "VM viewers" due to the lack of evidence given from said viewers. Why you have used this point is beyond me.

You seem quite happy to make a rod for your back on this subject, and I simply can not understand why.

Still good luck with it all.:)
To be honest Harry. I don't think he cares at all. I only got involved again a few days ago, because he was getting rounded on by others. Not to save him of course, but to try to advise him on how to rebuild his reputation.

But all you get is 'You're a troll' blah blah.

He's not correcting his behaviour no matter how many people criticise him. Make of that what you will.

RichardCoulter 08-02-2014 07:47
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35670269)
I have still to see where Sky have exclusive On demand rights.

In addition to linear broadcast, the output deal supports a broad range of multiplatform rights, ensuring HBO content will continue to be available live and on demand not just on TV, but online and on mobile through Sky Go. Sky Atlantic is also available live and on demand through NOW TV, Sky's new internet TV service.


The output deal simply states that HBO content will continue to be supported for the other Sky platforms (NOW TV and Sky Go) in terms of both live and on-demand content.

They do not state on-demand HBO content is exclusive. SA live content is clearly exclusive, but I will happily wait for anyone to correct me and say where on-demand content is exclusive too. The whole statement is really rather ambiguous in my (very uneducated) eyes.

In my (very uneducated) eyes, HBO could easily launch their own paid for on-demand service, and stop massive amounts of piracy whilst still keeping Sky customers happy
It would be a good idea for HBO shows to be made available for whoever wants them and negate the need to subscribe to Sky Atlantic to do so. I don't suppose Sky would be happy, but who cares about them :D

I wonder how many VM viewers would use an app to obtain HBO shows or SA via a TiVo app?

muppetman11 08-02-2014 08:56
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35670278)
It would be a good idea for HBO shows to be made available for whoever wants them and negate the need to subscribe to Sky Atlantic to do so. I don't suppose Sky would be happy, but who cares about them :D

I wonder how many VM viewers would use an app to obtain HBO shows or SA via a TiVo app?
Rightly so considering this 5 year extension is rumoured to be costing them £275 million which is considerably more than the £150 million they paid originally in 2010 , can you really see them paying that kind of money if others were free to launch On Demand services , I severely doubt it.

denphone 08-02-2014 09:00
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35670285)
Rightly so considering this 5 year extension is rumoured to be costing them £275 million which is considerably more than the £150 million they paid originally in 2010 , can you really see them paying that kind of money if others were free to launch On Demand services , I severely doubt it.
And that's Sky over MM as they bid way over the odds for content in order to keep it exclusive when there should be a rule that allows others to view that content in the same country at a reasonable and fair price.

muppetman11 08-02-2014 09:05
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35670286)
And that's Sky over MM as they bid way over the odds for content in order to keep it exclusive when there should be a rule that allows others to view that content in the same country at a reasonable and fair price.
I'm not even going there , the exclusive discussion has been done to death on this forum whether we like it or not exclusive is here to stay , HBO content on Sky Atlantic in the UK , TIVO on VM in the UK , House of Cards on Netflix just a few examples of exclusiveness.

denphone 08-02-2014 09:21
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
l am not just having a go at Sky MM as others do it as well but its high time something was done about company's keeping it exclusive for themselves and then with-holding the content so that unless you subscribe to their service's you cannot see it.

JustaBloke 08-02-2014 11:27
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35670290)
l am not just having a go at Sky MM as others do it as well but its high time something was done about company's keeping it exclusive for themselves and then with-holding the content so that unless you subscribe to their service's you cannot see it.
You're being fair minded in seeing that others do it too. so you must see that if something 'was done' about that, then VM would be made to wholesale their 120Mb broadband so it could be bought for the same price from Sky and TiVo would be available from them too.

Taking that idea a bit further. They'd then all be the same. No competition, no need to compete, no possibility of differentiation. Pretty soon they'd sit around a table together (unofficially, of course) and fix prices. A bit like the energy market.

Only a possible vision, I agree, but Sky are only doing what they would be expected to do in the market as it is. We could legislate to change the market, but the poor customer would suffer as a result. Personally I'd prefer to miss Game of Thrones myself. :)

RichardCoulter 08-02-2014 14:48
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35670278)
It would be a good idea for HBO shows to be made available for whoever wants them and negate the need to subscribe to Sky Atlantic to do so. I don't suppose Sky would be happy, but who cares about them :D

I wonder how many VM viewers would use an app to obtain HBO shows or SA via a TiVo app?
I set up a poll earlier today to try and gauge what people think about this.

So far, it looks like people are not willing to pay any extra over and above their VM subscription in order to receive Sky Atlantic.

Many thanks to those who have voted, if anybody else wishes to make their feelings known, the poll can be found here:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35670385

Mad Max 08-02-2014 15:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
I should read OB's posts before I go to bed, they are defo sleep inducing.....:D:sleep:

denphone 08-02-2014 15:55
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35670412)
I should read OB's posts before I go to bed, they are defo sleep inducing.....:D:sleep:
Come on Max whether people agree or disagree with people's posts this thread would be less entertaining if we all agreed with each other.:)

Mad Max 08-02-2014 15:59
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35670413)
Come on Max whether people agree or disagree with people's posts this thread would be less entertaining if we all agreed with each other.:)

Den mate, lighten up, i didn't say i agreed or disagreed with his posts,they just send me to sleep reading them :D

denphone 08-02-2014 16:02
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35670417)
Den mate, lighten up, i didn't say i agreed or disagreed with his posts,they just send me to sleep reading them :D
Just a bit of banter dear chap.:D;)

Mad Max 08-02-2014 16:12
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35670421)
Just a bit of banter dear chap.:D;)

I agree......:D:D

Dave42 08-02-2014 21:54
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
well it been a slow start to new year hopefully it pick up soon

theone2k10 08-02-2014 22:10
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Lovefilm/Amazon OD could be on VM by the end of Summer 2014 according to a rumour i got today.

jj20x 08-02-2014 22:52
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35670300)
...you must see that if something 'was done' about that, then VM would be made to wholesale their 120Mb broadband so it could be bought for the same price from Sky..
This isn't the same thing, it's not even close. There's a big difference between content and infrastructure. A true comparison would be Sky making HBO content exclusive to on their tv platform and VM making YouTube content exclusive to their broadband platform.

The broadband speeds available on VM are the reward for their investment in infrastructure. Buying up exclusive content rights from third parties isn't very innovative. I don't think these discussions would even take place if Sky had adopted an innovative approach, produced the content themselves and retained the exclusive rights to it for their platform.

denphone 09-02-2014 08:08
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35670533)
Lovefilm/Amazon OD could be on VM by the end of Summer 2014 according to a rumour i got today.
Now that would be nice.


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