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I think UEFA was thinking about keeping their UK Broadcasters (Sky and ITV) happy - having some UK teams in this round.

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But Celtic only won on the away goals - UEFA says they won 3 - 0 on Wednesday night.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28701951

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Not the same offence. The punishment for fielding a player who is ineligible through suspension are clearly defined in the relevant UEFA article I already quoted.

This didn't apply to Debrecen. The player in that case was ineligible but not because he was serving a suspension.

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Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

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..but you can't disregard the fact that is not the same offence, nor is it covered by the same UEFA articles.

Therefore your comparison is invalid.

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Agree it is not back door.

I think it was incompetence, more than cheating. Rather silly to forget to register a player to play for a game, so they could show they could be banned

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I would imagine that the Legia Warsaw fans must be gutted. Feel sorry for them.... apart from those that behaved like Racist asses over there and over here. ;)

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Yes. I don't have any issues with the fans, or even the club. But if you make a silly mistake, you still need to pay. Doesn't matter if its 4 minutes or playing 4 minutes or 4 games, the rule is known

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They were ineligible for two very different reasons and as such two different rules and punishments apply.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/08/37.jpg


Can smell the hurt on here as ever :D:D:D:D

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Taking from one and giving to the other. Crock of crap to be fair. You replay the game on the basis Celtic were slapped. Kick a team out for fielding a suspended player whom had no effect on the outcome but do absolutely nothing when a player single handedly cheats to deny the Irish a place in the euros. Gotta love that balance! Whomever wrote the rules needs a good spank.

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Outcome doesn't matter. Warsaw shouldn't have played him at all.

They broke the rules, end of.

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It seems to me that Celtic can get away with murder. Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn.

Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance.

No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet.

Even my wife voted on a forum that she felt Celtic had got a back door entry.

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Sorry Arthur, there was no back door.

Warsaw broke the rules and were punished. Celtic got away with nothing more than what the rules stated.

As for the friendly with Spurs, thats all it was, celtic didn't have to play the main squad.

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It was a friendly in Helsinki between a Spurs XI and a Celtic XI. It's absurd to expect Celtic, in between 2 champions league qualifiers, to send their strongest team.
We did the same a year ago against Liverpool in Dublin. I don't recall any sour grapes there.. maybe Scousers understand football.

Anyway, the main reason Spurs won was because our admin team were too busy to check the eligibility of all those that played that night. It might turn out it was a 3-0 victory for Celtic.:D

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I think that last bit's harsh. The rules were broken and the correct decision was obviously made. But I don't believe that at the time they brought him on they knew he was still suspended, and thought they'd get away with it.

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Yes, I don't think Warsaw deliberately broke the rules, there was nothing to gain - unless Berg had a fiver on Celtic to go through:shocked:

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What so they accidently put on a suspended player?

Even I find that hard to believe.

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It wasn't an accident that they put him on, that was deliberate, but only because they thought he'd served his suspension. They were 6-1 up with a few minutes left to play, they're hardly going to put an ineligible player on knowing they'll break the rules.

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it would need to be a bit more than a fiver :D

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Stephen and London Road, What total crap, that you are talking

Spurs played there full first team squad - and they have stated that they were saddened that Celtic didn't play there full team either. Its was Celtic way of making there team do extra training after failing in the first leg.

The only sour grapes that l have is that Fans from BOTH sides have paid an awful lot of money to see this game - and ended up watching a FULL FIRST TEAM sqaud play a youth team.

And secondly, l understand Warsaw are appealing on the ground s that OTHER teams have played players not registered and have been FINED, and that there sending on of the player DID NOT interfere with the result.

This has happened with Celtic before. I sent an email to Celtic about this and have not had one reply.

It doesn't matter wether they are playining important games several days later, it happens every season in EPL - and at the end of the day Celtic made £250.00 will they dontate that to charity. I doubt it very much

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If you ever back up your points with facts or links I'll consider entering into a discussion with you. Celtic often send youth/ second string teams to play small insignificant clubs. All big clubs do that.:monkey:

Warsaw broke the rules by fielding a suspended player. That is an automatic 3-0 forfeit. No Club has ever only been fined for fielding a suspended player.

Please don't pester my club with irrelevant and ill informed communication. Our administrators are far too busy ensuring that we comply with the relevant rules and regulations of the Football authorities.

If you feel aggrieved about this rule then direct your communication to UEFA. They make the rules, they instigated the investigation, they applied the only punishment available.

I'm grateful that in Athur world what I talk is crap. I'll guess that translates to what I talk is fact. ;)

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Sorry but have you read what you just typed? Celtic did not have to send the first team. There was nothing that ever stated they had to or would. With a Champions league game either side of that Spurs match there is no way the first team could play and be fit for the second leg.

Exactly they were fined for players not registered, that is a totally different rule to playing suspended players. It doesn't matter if it affected the outcome of the game or not. The player was serving a suspension and playing him meant that they were disqualified.

There will be no appeal, it firmly states in the rules, punishment for fielding an inellibable player is removal from the competition.

Wait what? Celtic only made £250.00 from the game?? oh dear. Did you meant £250,000. Where was that stated? Yet again an Arthur post not backed up by facts or links. You think that Celtic have the time to respond to every single letter that gets sent to them.

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I suggest Stephen and London Road, you read various newspapers, regarding the appeal.

They are allowed to appeal - and are allowed 14 days.

And IF, you read various sports papers. Several clubs HAVE BEEN FINED for fielding a non registered player - read daily Mirror, it was in there yesterday.

I like Celtic as a club, but l don't like the fact that everyone thinks they are supreme. Well they lost that title when Lennon was in charge.

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Arthur for the final time. Being fined for a non registered player is a totally separate issue from fielding a suspended player which is punishable by being disqualified from the CL.

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What a load of carp. In Arthur world Warsaw would be allowed to appeal up until after the first legs of the next round have been played:erm:
If the appeal was successful UEFA would have to do the draw again as Legia can't take Celtic's seeded place. Meantime the rest of Europe have to cancel all their hotel and travel arrangements..... You should really think about some of the carp you read in papers and stop passing it off as if it were gospel.

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I read that Warsaw were offering a one off match between them and Celtic and the winner gets the Champions League spot. Whilst I would love to see that, unfortunately Celtic will gain from Warsaw being idiots.

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While that would seem to be a fair and honourable solution, I don't see that it can happen. There are no provisions within UEFA regulations to allow it to happen. It could lead to both clubs being banned from European competitions if they try to circumvent UEFA rules.

There are also the practicalities of the situation now that the draw has taken place. UEFA wouldn't allow Legia to take Celtic's seeding as this would be akin to rewarding the team that have fielded a suspended player.

My initial sympathy for Legia is waning day by day as they refuse to accept that they messed up big time and face the consequences.

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Did you see the open letter they wrote to Celtic? Its rather embarassing for them. Trying to sully the clubs history and bring in Maley and others.

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I think what Warsaw have done is quite honorable in asking Celtic to play a game to decide the tie. There was an article in The Daily Express stating that Warsaw have asked Celtic, But sadly, Celtic have said its nothing to do with them, and left it to FIFA. And they are still appealing.This reminds me of the Man Utd Game against Tottenham many years ago. Spurs clearly scored a goal. The Officals stated they did not see the game, yet the ball was clearly over the line. The following morning Sir Alex was asked if he would contact the FA to state, that he saw the goal was correct. He said it was up to the FA. Yes, it might not be the same scenrio. But l find it very sad. I always thought honesty was the best policy. But it wont effect the result

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Arthur. You are rambling now.

As it has been pointed out...Celtic do not make the rules...if they did...they might be tempted to cheat.

Legia need to act like a "man", stop bringing their club into disgrace and accept that the only ones who have done wrong..is them...a stupid mistake can cost you a game.

I would have thought a tottenham supporter would recognise that point specifically :)

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Thought l would say this - Warsaw's appeal is tomorrow Wednesday.

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Said already, much as I would like to see Warsaw win it I am a realist and accept that their idiocy has cost them. And yes there may have been a difference between why the players were ineligible but still think a penalty for all instances should be applied. Either a fine for all cases or a 3-0 win for other team.

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+1

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I agree that the punishment in this case is harsh. I don't agree that all ineligible players should be the same. Playing a suspended player has got to punished more severely than the many admin errors that crop up.

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Watching the St Johnstone game with Celtic was quite entertaining. Three problems though, The first Celtic goal should have been a foul just outisde the box. St Johnstone should have had a penalty. And then the Oscar winning role was the Celtic penalty/ Red card. IF, that was a penalty, l will give up football. Agreed the Celtic player ran into the box, gets pushed by the St John player, the Celtic player goes two steps and then 'dives' to get the pen. Total joke. And yes, this is not a dig at Celtic, when l watch a game of football and 'any' teams, l believe in fair play in games. The ref needs glasses/ fairness.

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:rolleyes:

For somebody who claims to like Celtic you seem to spend a lot of time negatively analysing them.

First goal a foul???? Even the Saints didn't claim that one.

imho the ref got the one important decision wrong, St J should have had a penalty. The ref clearly goes to a better optician than you..... two steps:p:

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I thought St Johnstone's penalty claim was one...I thought Celtic's one was a dive.

Once first goal goes in...game changed

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I can see why you think their was a dive. I thought the push in the back was sufficient to deny him the chance to have a clean strike. The fall to the ground "enhanced" the penalty claim:o: I don't think the slo-mo did him any favours.

I would have to guess that Neil McCann had a few quid on Celtic to get beat. I have never seen a "neutral" panelist so raging about a decision. :D

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BBC: Celtic: Legia Warsaw's Champions League appeal bid fails.

Legia Warsaw's appeal against expulsion from the Champions League has been dismissed by Uefa, meaning Celtic will remain in the competition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28753686

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London Road, Lets put it this way, you might as well give Celtic the title now, if they decisions like that. Its was a dive.

End of story.

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Lets put it this way. Another negative judgement about the club you claim to like. Are you upset that Legia Warsaw's appeal failed Arthur? :D:D:D

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Watched the highlights at lunch. It may have been a penalty or it may have been a dive. Truth is, a different referee would have waved play on or booked the Celtic player for diving.

I just hope for a closer race this season rather than it being won by Christmas like it was last season.

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I think there was sufficient contact to award the penalty so it would probably have been a bit unjust for a yellow card. Tuhe real mistake was failing to award the Perth saints a penalty. That would certainly have made the match more interesting if the pen had been converted. 1-1 and the momentum with the Saints would certainly made me ...erm twitchy. :disturbd:

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London Road, I believe in fairness in sport. IF, a player dives in the box - l dont give a damn who the club is. Its cheating.
If you watch the game agains, the St Johnstone player was tripped in the box - a penalty.

The Celtic player ran into the box, yes he was pulled, then the Celtic player went on then magically does an Oscar winning winning dive and gets the penalty - whats fair about that.

I believe that players know how to con the referee. To me it should be a red card offence for diving.

And l dont care if Warsaw failed - l believe in fairness in football. I gave up being a referee, as so many players were doing the 'dive'act. And it wasnt backed up by the leagues l played in.

If a Spurs player dives - then he should be red carded - simples. It should happen everywhere, and the club should fine the player for doing it.

In Scottish football, l see it lots of times. But some referee's dont have the bottle to send players off. Its just as bad in the EPL.

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I agree re diving...use video evidence...get a retrospective card

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I would extend that retrospectively to all forms of cheating - provided that the video evidence was 100% conclusive.

I'd go further and allow for match results to be adjusted in extreme cases.

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If that wasn't really a penalty and he did dive then surely the St J player and team would have argued the fact?

He and they knew it was right, yes he did go down a bit dramatically but that doesn't take away from the fact that he was tackled harshly in the box.

Fairness in football?? Legia brok the ruels and were punished. Thats yer fairness in football right there.

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No surprise here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28839720

Good luck Legia Worser with the claim for compensation.:erm:

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When someone I know read that McCoist is being link with Crystal Palace in the Sunday Post.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...t-vows-4098101

He says "He started that rumour".

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When I heard it on sky sports..I laughed. I was thinking, surely even crystal palace wouldn't be that stupid to chose him :)

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Luckily, for those of us who enjoy a good chuckle, Salary McCoist doesn't do walking away. :D

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Sadly it looks like Celtic will be going out tonight.:(

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Car crash tv tonight, I am hopping between celtic and man utd

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Fixed that for you. :D ;)

The furious rustling noise you might hear coming from the East end of Glasgow is the Maribor team sheet being examined in microscopic detail.

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Really sad :D

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I watched this game, and bloody hell Celtic could have won by at least three goals.

Ambrose should have been taken off, he was giving the ball too many times, they hit the bar, and my god at the end they should have scored.

Bring in a manager that will moivate the team, never mind you will get taught another lesson in the Europa, you might be playing Spurs.

No, l felt sorry for Celtic, but my god no wonder they got booes off at the end. I was rooting for Celtic, but they let themself down.

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Good. Although I bet that within the next 48 hours they lodge some sort of complaint with UEFA, or UEFA look into the result.

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Why would they do that? They didn't lodge a complaint after the Legia game or would you rather pretend that Celtic were at fault.

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TV coverage must have flattered Celtic. I was at the game and thought we rarely seriously threatened Maribor.
I don't think most of the boos were directed at the team, mostly they were directed at the board, and Peter Lawell in particular, for not finding another Henrik Larsson on the cheap :D.
I was booing because I knew I'd never make the next train and hoped for extra time as that would have fitted in with my train timetable.

You're right about Efe Ambrose though.... :shocked::Yikes::nutter::omg::no::spin:

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It's just Celtic seem to have the knack of getting lucky with these things, that is all.

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Mwahhaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFG3...ature=youtu.be

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Luck and bad luck is like a spinning wheel as you never know what you are going to get on a certain day Mark.

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{stolen from twitter}

Don't write Celtic off yet. It's only full-time...:D

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London Road, you are not the only one who was talking about the board. My in laws are mad on Celtic, and were saying the same.

They were saying that Celtic is one of the richest clubs in the world. So why arnt they buying good decent players.

To be totally honest, Celtic were like a third team out there. And were extremely poor. They need a striker, maybe two.

But, if the board want something doen, they have to sack there manager. They have to bring in someone who will motivate the team.

Years ago, Celtic were a team that could match any big club from Europe. Not now they cant.

Sorry to be honest.

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It's a waste of money buying players for a few Europe games. If they were in the epl it would be worth it

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They are wrong. Celtic are the richest club in Scottish football by a country mile right now and due to Rangers ongoing woes are likely to remain that way for the next 5 years at least.

In world terms though they are minnows, their entire turnover each season is less than most English teams get in TV money and they simply cannot afford to pay world class wages even if they could entice players to Glasgow to play diddy teams week in, week out for the occasional chance of big games.

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They can compete and always will. They can't compete with wages for players anymore because of TV money. Celtic got more for their play off round in the CL than they'll get for the full season of Scottish Football coverage on BT and Sky. That puts it into perspective.

Still a bigger club than Spurs though :)

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Well a few years ago 2008 or 2009 Celtic were 20th or 23rd place on that rich list.

Currently they are within the top 40 still.

So yeah they are still one of the richest teams.

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Is that why they are penny pinching with loan deals, a sixth choice manager and selling any player there is even a sniff of interest in?

In world terms of turnover and ready cash they are behind all of the EPL and Championship, the main leagues in Spain, Germany France etc and more on a par with lower level European leagues.

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Still wealthy but not frivolous. It's called living within your means. A concept that was alien to your dead club and this new zombie offspring that you're journeying with.

You should expend your energy saving Sevco instead of obsessing about the team that put Glasgow on the map.

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The Legia fans are not too happy about Sporting Integrity FC getting put through in their place.

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Standby for the UEFA fine.

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I bet we will see Legia VS Celtic again - Draw live right now on Eurosport 2.

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Nope.

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Mwahhahaha... as some people might say

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ffering-fails/

Salary McCoist does do walking away.:D:D

tick tock tick tock

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A good interview here with Peter Lawell that might explain, with some realism, the actual situation with Celtic.

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Sad news, marring a decent victory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-30066472

Some good news, hopefully to be followed by some reports of Police brutality over the weekend to those involved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-30053692

I have a feeling they won't be stopping at 5 arrests, there is more to come out of this story.

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Good, can this be expanded into England, with the Chelsea sale to Roman being illegal as well please police?

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:rofl: Good luck with that....

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Not a chance.

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I know unfortunately. Would dearly love it to happen though.

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Why? as everything was done legal and above board.

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http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/atta...9&d=1426449296

️Fantastic day today. Great Atmosphere Oh Ronny Ronny :D

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9th time in 10 seasons Celtic have guaranteed European football until at least Christmas :D Happy times. Hopefully Aberdeen can get through their Europa game tonight too.

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Sadly Aberdeen did not get through but hopefully Celtic can do pretty well this season Henke.

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BBC: Celtic set to sign Scott Allan as Celtic and Hibs agree fee of £275,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33905902

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Celtic Football Club appoint Brendan Rodgers as their new manager.

http://www.celticfc.net/news/10565

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Congratulations to Hibs on their last minute cup win today.

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Indeed its nice to see somebody else apart from the big two winning a trophy for once

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My grand would be happy seeing Rangers back in top flite football.

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I can just see the start of the SPL, aggro, aggro.

I have actually been to a Old Firm Game. And being a Londoner, and football mad.

I was told by my Brother in Laws - who are mad Celtic fans.

KEEP MOUTH SHUT AND DONT SHOUT WHEN SOMEONE SCORES

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Can it get any worse for Scottish football tonight?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/36775154

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Steve Gerrard Gerrard, one win in four oh dear. Worst rangers team I've seen in their 7 year history :)

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l gather the drinks are on you Henke.;)

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Sadly l think that Scottish football is going to the wall.

There is only several clubs worth talking about. And l firmly believe that Scottish Football should join forces with the English leagues too make money

I firmly believe that each season the Scottish Football Association should hand all the honours to Celtic, and see what teams can take it off them.

I used to watch big time Scottish football many years ago. Now, l don't really bother.

Poor crowds, l watch a game last year with Inverness playing. And the ground was half empty.

I am sure that some fans will disagree. But that's my opinion

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New co Rangers started in June 2012 so they are only SIX years old.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-18447530

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Clubs back use of VAR in Scottish Premiership

SPFL clubs have voted in favour of introducing Video Assistant Referees in the Scottish Premiership.

It is set to be launched midway through next season when the top flight resumes in December after the World Cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60987568

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Never knew there was a thread for Scottish Football


now I've found it . . . come on you Gable Endies :D

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Same here. The thread part. :)

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Its the biggest mistake the Scottish Premiership has made.
VAR in England has ruined football totally.
In Scottish Football its all about religion. Can you imagine an old firm derby, and l have been to one. If VAR was introduced in that game. You would have so much trouble.

I was told to keep mouth shut during the game by my Scottish wife's family.
Worst decision they have made.

They would have made a better decision by improving a better league. Scottish football is finished. Bascially you only have two teams in Scotland - Celtic and Rangers full stop

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That's a load of nonsense. It's NOT ALL about Religion for one thing. There are many poor decisions made during Scottish games that VAR will only help reduce problems. Same goes for Deeby games.

There is definitely more than two teams in Scottish the Premiership